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May 8, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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College Kids Try to Prove Me Wrong — Tabling at UNLV

Enjoy this special episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, where you can listen to Charlie debate several college students at UNLV, who attempt to prove him wrong on using “preferred pronouns,” LeBron vs. Jordan, police brutality, and more. Become a member at members.charliekirk.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Campus Transgender Debate 00:11:57
Hey everybody, conversation I had at UNLV with college students on a college campus.
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Hello, Charlie.
I'm a huge supporter of you and what you do on the campuses and with our pastors and politically.
I want to ask you, statistically, men are turning more, we're proven to be more conservative, but the women are suffering out here.
So I would like to know.
I'm involved with TPUSA and I want to know what it is that I can do when I'm around women here in Las Vegas, Nevada, which I'm battle-born in this battleground state.
And I would like to know what I can do to start to change minds with love.
Why do you think women are so liberal?
You know, I watched you on the whatever.
Yes, and it's crazy.
I mean, I mean, it's just, it's so hurtful to see, you know, how they are sexually and how it's just so, you know, okay.
And I think that a lot of them are suffering.
And I think that, you know, there's a lot of father issues there.
A lot of daddy issues for sure.
So look, I'm not an expert in how to win over young women for conservatism.
The biggest thing is this, more young women need to get married at a younger age and start having kids.
The single woman issue is one of the biggest issues faced in a civilization.
Yeah.
We have more single women in the early 30s that are the most depressed, suicidal, anxious, lonely in America's history because there's a biological clock that's going on and they realize that they're not going to be able to have kids and that they're not as desirable in the dating market or in the dating pool.
And so they start to lash out on the rest of society by voting Democrat.
So date like you're going to marry, I guess.
That's going to be.
Well, yeah, just get married early.
Like reject the siren song of modernity and have lots of kids.
Like being a partner at a local law firm actually isn't that big of a deal.
Having three kids is a really big deal and will make you happier.
And it's okay to be a stay-at-home mom.
In fact, we need a lot of stay-at-home moms.
And a lot of women want to be stay-at-home moms.
And we have miserable women because we've been shuffling them into a corporate wasteland when in reality a lot of them don't find a lot of passion or fulfillment in that line of work.
And who can blame them?
Exactly.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Hello.
My name is Sahili.
So I had a question.
Do you support, like, if someone has, if someone uses pronouns that weren't the pronouns assigned to their gender at birth, do you personally use them?
No.
Can I ask why?
Well, I refuse to lie.
Okay, so do you care about like community, humanity, being kind to just the average stranger off the street?
Yes, great question.
So being kind means not lying.
So do you believe that strictly?
Like there is a lot of people who are.
Yeah, so for example, if I was walking down the Vegas Strip and somebody said, hey, do I have a piece of glass sticking out of my shoulder?
Is it kind to tell them, no, you're fine, bro, keep on going?
Or should you say like, okay, so you should tell everybody the truth, especially those in crisis that are lying to themselves?
Yeah, so I have to ask, so you believe, you seem like a man of science.
You bring up a lot of statistics, a lot of math, and I respect that.
Transness is proven medically, and like a lot of trans people, they don't believe in this.
And a lot of trans youth aren't medically trans.
They don't have something called body dysmorphia in their minds, which is a perceivable on like a brain scan thing.
Real trans youth, like they're someone who's born in a man's body who is a trans woman will have a brain that more accurately reflects the brain of a woman and that's just a biological proven point.
So transness is a real biological thing.
I don't believe that every child, I don't believe that children should be able to transition.
But the average person, like an adult who has made their decision to transition, they are medically, provenly, biologically trans, and they say that personally, it makes them feel better to be called she and that it hurts them inside mentally, to be called he.
And you don't feel that the small effort it would take you to call them she, the small kindness it would take you, would be worth it, because that comment is going to stick with them for years.
It's going to pass you in a day.
You know well, hold on.
So I think you're making my, my point I want to make if it's going to stick with them for years, if I don't use the right pronoun they have serious mental problems and they need a counselor.
That's exactly it.
They do have problems.
Oh, they have mental problems.
I agree, yes.
So then this is the question, should we accommodate our language To make life more comfortable for people that are suffering under mental diseases?
Yes, absolutely.
I think we need to do the most that we can to accommodate the people who have mental struggle.
So, okay, so if, for example, there is a phobia of crowds.
Yes.
Should we no longer congregate as a crowd here because there might be a student at UNLV that has a phobia of crowds?
No, but I think that if it is entirely in our effort and that it does not take any more of our day, let's say that guy right there doesn't hate crowds, or he hates crowds, and I see him all the way over there and I know that he hates crowds.
I wouldn't purposely gather a bunch of people and go harangue him with that.
Let's play this out.
I wouldn't go out of my way.
Some trans activists say my presence on campus causes them to go into mental duress.
Well, I don't believe that.
I think that's fine.
I don't think that's ridiculous.
Okay, but it's a common critique.
So we're coming to a line here.
So now can you understand why I'm so clear on the pronoun thing?
Because all of a sudden they have used to shut me up on campus repeatedly.
The trans students say I medically feel unsafe if Charlie Kirk is allowed to come on campus.
Medically, yes.
The University of Arizona gave a mental health day the day after I visited the campus last semester.
The entire campus shut down.
They were allowed to have free counseling sessions, psychiatric intervention, and the entire campus, they were able to say, I'm not going to come and speak on campus.
Cal Poly San Louis Obispo the same thing.
I'm going to tell you that you're using a logical fallacy to associate one larger event that is admittedly ridiculous.
I think everybody in this crowd can admit that that is a ridiculous situation.
And comparing it to the small instance in your day that would be a trans woman asking you to, let's say I was trans and I was obviously trans, and you guys all knew that I was born a man and that right now I was coming up here dressed as a, you know, a hoe.
So, like a female.
Yeah.
And you know that I'm all presenting as a woman right now.
Do you feel that it's such a bother out of your day just to give me a kindness?
My argument is not the bother.
My argument is the lie.
And I won't lie no matter how big or how small.
And so if someone has XX chromosomes and they want to be called...
Do you feel that it's a lie that their brains are telling them that they're genuinely aware of their brain?
Well, they've convinced themselves of a lie.
People can convince themselves of delusions all the time.
For example.
So you think that the fact that people have a female brain in their mind and they aren't trans is a problem.
So if you go through an analysis of 10,000 spect scans, even trans men and trans women, fake men and fake women, the brains are indecipherable.
What you're talking about, though, is a brain scan study where certain impulses look more female and look more male, which of course I think is a very important thing.
Well, it was actually the brain structure.
I don't have the exact study on me, but I can get it up after I get off.
But even if that was the case, it does not change the fact that they have an XY chromosomal structure or XX chromosomal structure.
And pronouns, surgery, intervention, or chopping off your breasts are not going to make you the other sex or gender.
And here's the final thing I'll say: if the trans individuals, whoever you want to call them, the trans people, why do we have to change our language?
Why can't they just live their own life?
Okay, that's a fair point.
I respect and honestly, like, I agree with a lot of the things you said.
Thank you.
I think that you think about transness on a very large binary.
Yeah, a very big basis.
I do.
I look at it very binary.
When you see a trans person, you see their whole struggle.
You see that they're a mentally ill person.
You see that.
I do, and I want to give them support.
They're deceiving.
You think they're deceiving themselves.
That's your opinion of it.
Well, it's clinically true.
Yeah, when you see transness, you see the community.
I would just, my last comment is that I hope you have a little more kindness in you.
I know you don't want to lie, and that's what you feel, but sometimes that really changes someone's day.
That really changes a lot about how they feel.
And if it's one moment out of your day to change, it's something you could do easily to really help someone.
There's two things.
They will never stop.
They'll want on top of pronouns, they'll want promotions, then they want pride ceremonies.
It's the fact they won't just stop at no overgeneralization.
It's a fact.
We're living under that now.
Number two, though, is there ever a moment, and the moment is, of course, if there was a hunger strike happening on this campus and they went 25 days without eating, don't we have a moral obligation to go up to them and help them?
Of course we do.
We don't appease them.
It's like, oh, yeah, you guys are going to be fine.
You won't starve to death because a trans person is torturing themselves.
They're not liberating themselves.
They're at war with their own anatomy.
They're not like freeing themselves.
They're not being who they really are.
They've convinced themselves of a lie.
And we, as society, community, and kindness, I believe, have a right sometimes to say the unpopular but the true thing that might be able to correct the error back into truth.
Thank you for your time.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
Racism and Police Bias 00:12:58
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Hey, Charlie.
So I am, as a young adult right now in America, I'm looking right now towards like my future, and I'm really having a hard time really seeing myself being able to do the same things like my parents have done, such as buy a house at a young age and whatnot.
So do you think there's going to be any change in the housing market from the high interest rates and big companies and investors buying all types of properties and just renting them out to Americans in general?
It's a great question.
So four years ago, the average income to be able to buy a home in this country was $59,000 a year.
Now it requires $106,000 a year to buy a home.
And it's probably even more than that here in Vegas, is my guess.
You have been robbed by the DC political class.
And then big corporations like BlackRock come in and purchase these homes and then rent them back to you.
This is one of the reasons why I personally support President Donald Trump's candidacy.
This was not the case when he was president.
Homeownership was in your grasp.
Wages were going up.
Young people saw their livelihood increasing.
And Joe Biden has destroyed all of that.
It's just a fact.
Just look at the numbers.
The last four years, he has obliterated the ability for you to be able to own a home.
So yeah, we should say that multi-trillion, multi-trillion dollar corporations like BlackRock cannot come in and buy homes and rent them back to you.
In fact, I want three very basic things for every one of you.
I don't care about your politics.
I want you to be able to get married, have kids, and own a home.
Those three things should be in the very basic social contract for Gen Z, and that's my message.
And I pray we can restore that.
Exactly.
Thank you.
Do you think that, like, do you think that anytime in the near future that any changes in the housing market are going to take place?
Do you think that housing prices will probably go up before the end of the year because interest rates are going to be cut three years, three times before the election?
The Fed just announced yesterday interest rates are going down.
So you guys are even more screwed.
In fact, you guys right now should want interest rates to go up because then you might actually see a collapse in housing prices.
You guys could swoop in.
The Fed, in my personal opinion, I have no evidence of this except outside speculation, they're lowering interest rates to try to get Joe Biden re-elected, is what they're doing.
They announced a rate cut yesterday.
The market went up.
And so you're going to see a flood of buyers coming into the market right now, which means that the price of homes are probably going to go up another 5 or 10% before the end of the year.
Damn, that's crazy, man.
I really appreciate you.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
All right, who's up?
Hi.
So, sorry.
I noticed you're wearing an American Lives Matter shirt.
What is your message to this audience right now by wearing that t-shirt?
What is your intended message?
Well, I think that we should put Americans above foreigners.
You know that the whole point of, you know, the movement that came with Lives Matter was originally for Black Lives Matter.
I'm intentionally appropriating it.
And are you trying to eliminate the movement, Black Lives Matter?
Are you trying to not bring attention to it?
I mean, well, BLM is not exactly a movement that I would be associated with, but I believe all lives matter.
American Lives Matter.
If you're a black American, Hispanic American, I don't care.
All Americans' Lives Matter.
Would you even, would you take the time to recognize a group of people who have been marginalized historically and who are now asking for the same rights, the same privileges as white people in the society by wearing?
What rights do white people have that blacks don't?
So the issue is it's not necessarily written in the law.
Oh, so it's like hidden.
That's the whole point.
That's how marginalizing.
Oh, so it's kind of like a ghost.
You see it one day and you don't.
Because you, as a white privileged person with money, have never seen it doesn't mean it's a person.
What privilege do I as a white person have that a black person doesn't?
What can a white person do in America that a black person cannot do?
Be specific.
Name one thing.
So there are so many issues in our society.
Name one thing.
No, I gotta drill you in.
Name one thing a white person can do that a black person cannot do.
So the issue is racism, okay?
You can technically do it, but your life may be put at risk if you are found yourself if you find yourself in certain areas where you might not be accepted by your race, and then your life might be a lot of fun.
So okay, what is racism?
Can you define to me what racism is?
Racism, well, I don't have the exact description as it is seen in like AP style or like Wikipedia.
Can you just talk on the mic, please?
I'm sorry, yeah.
Sorry.
Racism is the lack of opportunities because of a race, the kind of like putting a person to a side.
So can you name a single example in the last 20 years where blacks were discriminated on moss, where they've been put aside?
Can you give me a specific example?
Simply talk about police brutality and over-incarceration, mass incarceration.
What percentage of murders do black Americans commit in America?
So there you have a point of there is over-policing in black communities.
Wait, no, no, murders, lower-income communities.
Blacks commit murders because of police?
I'm not talking about murders of police.
You're twisting my words.
So why do blacks commit so many murders?
They don't.
So they're 13% of the population and they do 55% of the murders in America.
So there, you're not even looking at the background of it.
There is over-policing in lower-income communities.
There's under-policing in lower-income communities.
Number two, you're trying to say that over-policing, even if that existed, which it doesn't, leads to the fact that 13% of the U.S. population accounts for 55% of the murders?
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There is a target on people of color's facts, okay?
So when a white person sees a person of color...
Prove it.
There is studies, there is racism.
No, no, give me one example.
Give me one piece of evidence that there's a target on black people's back.
In fact, I will submit to you there's the opposite.
Black students can get into this college with lower test scores than white students.
It's called affirmative action.
So now white people are the people who are shrinking.
No, no, no.
Are they the marginalized ones?
I will go back to this, though.
Can you name a specific example of what a black person cannot do that a white person can do?
And be, again, specific.
Anything.
I'm talking about...
So racism as a whole is not written in the law because that's not allowed anymore.
But it still exists.
Then give me an example.
I just told you.
You said police brutality is your example.
Why do you think blacks encounter police so much?
They commit more crimes.
There is no policing.
No, there's underpinning.
And there's also...
There's under policing.
How could you say such a thing?
We have defunded the police in Philadelphia, New York, Chicago, and largely defunded it.
We saw crime rates go up.
I also want you to take in mind that when a whole group is their opportunities to succeed economically, let's say they don't get that higher paying job because they chose a white person instead of a black person.
That makes sense.
That makes an entire community more prone to being lower income.
And then that create, that is lower, lower income communities are directly related to more crime activity.
But let me ask you a question.
What percentage of young blacks have both a mom and a dad raising them?
I cannot think of a percentage right now to give.
25%.
So only one out of four blacks in America have a mom and a dad around.
Do you think that is a bigger issue to address than racism?
Do you think more dads is a better solution or tackling racism, which you say you can't even see in our laws?
How could dads be connected directly?
Oh, dads are very connected.
What about when you have a dad around?
You're less likely to be violent as a male, less likely to go to prison.
So explain to me why all the fathers are leaving.
Exactly.
Why are they leaving?
Question for you.
Because black women married the government and divorced the men that they were once with.
Talk about white people right now.
I'm sorry, I'm a realist, not a racist.
Secondly, see, you could come up to the mic and call me a racist to my face.
Are you an intellectual coward and want to shout it from 30 feet away?
Come on up.
Come on.
Call me a racist.
You are a racist who does not have accurate statistics or facts.
You are not a gender scientist.
You cannot speak on that because you do not understand.
What percentage of murders do blacks commit in America?
I'm not educated to speak on that, but you aren't either, and I know that.
What have I ever said that's racist?
You're using stereotypes to use the welfare queen stereotype?
Hold on.
Wait, hold on.
Name a second thing I ever said that was racist.
Come on, come up to the mic.
We shouldn't justify you being here by giving you an audience.
You do not speak accurate facts.
What have I said that's not factual or not true or anything that I've said that's racist?
Name one thing.
Yeah.
Black people are 13% of the population and they commit 55% of the murders.
You can look it up.
Over-police.
Wait, you.
What's your source?
The FBI, the Department of Justice.
Look it up.
Anyone can look it on your phone.
Ask the question: what percentage of murders do black people commit?
So you say it's because of over-policing.
Let me get this straight.
So one gang kills another gang because of over-policing?
That sounds like an under-policing problem.
In Chicago, there are 500 murders a year.
You don't deal with gangs.
Where do you think the most majority of black murders happen in gang violence in this country?
In fact, the majority of murders happen in gang violence in this country.
The majority of all murders happen between black and black crime of gang violence in this country.
In fact, Chicago has trimmed their police by 20% in the last five years.
More murders.
The less police, we get more murders.
So don't give me this rubbish about, oh, over-policing.
It is a fact that blacks have a disproportionate amount of the violent crime in their community.
Why do you think that is?
I'm not here to debate with you because I don't want to platform you.
You're a racist.
Wait, you call me a racist.
What have I ever said that's racist?
Or do you just think numbers are racist?
You said a racist.
Y'all don't understand statistics.
How you speak on numbers?
Fair.
Thanks for your time.
Okay.
You can't disprove the numbers, which is as following.
That three out of four blacks in this country do not have a mom and a dad around stably.
That is an increase in crime.
That is an increase in prison time.
You know who agrees with me?
Barack Obama.
Barack Obama said that the solution to black poverty is more dads around.
Instead, we spend all this time talking about white supremacy and racism, and we don't talk about how we need more dads in black homes.
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Yes.
Oh, are you a Satanist?
No, I know Satan's not real.
I'm not that.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
No, Satan is very real.
But yeah, you can put the mic up.
Satan is very real.
It does relate to what I wanted to ask.
I wanted to ask, well, first, are you a Christian?
My name is James.
Very, very much so.
And I wanted to ask, why is that exactly?
Oh, Jesus saved my life.
I'm a sinner, fall short of the glory of God, gave my life to Christ, most important decision I ever made.
So you believe the Bible is real?
Yes, I believe the Bible is true and real.
Why is that?
Well, I could give you the technical answer.
There's never been an archaeological discovery that has contradicted the truth of the Bible.
We know everything the Bible, as far as the kings, as far as the succession of Israeli rulers, to the Jewish people being put in exile, being put back into the land of Jerusalem, to the destruction of the temple in AD 70, all that checks out.
There's never been a discovery that's contradicted it.
From King Hezekiah to King Cyrus to Nehemiah to Zerebbabel to this destruction of the creation of the second temple.
And then, of course, the wisdom.
There is not a truth of the Bible that if you apply to your life, your life does not improve dramatically.
And then finally, we have the most accurate and transparent, the most historically robust account, I should say, that one can have of the most important figure ever to live in the history of the world, Jesus of Nazareth.
And Jesus of Nazareth, who was born a virgin birth, what we believe is the incarnation, performed miracles all throughout Judea and Samaria, eventually confronted Pharisees, led to a death that he did not deserve, was in the grave for three days, and then rose from the dead.
And the resurrection is the pinpoint of my belief that Jesus did rise from the grave so that we may live.
So what about the stories of Greek and Roman mythology?
Do you think any of that is real?
No.
So then what makes Christian mythology real?
Well, give me an example of Christian mythology that I can do like creation.
So like Genesis mythology.
Maybe like the story of David and Goliath, for example.
Well, that one's actually pretty easy to deconstruct.
A sling is actually a rather lethal weapon, especially for someone in a Judean tribe that's trained to use a sling of a young age.
And Goliath was a rather clumsy individual.
And if you're able to pinpoint a rock right between the temple lobe, you can effectively kill or lobotomize that individual.
So that's hardly mythology.
All right, so what about the story of Satan's fall then?
What about that is real?
In Ezekiel.
Yeah, so that's not mythology, but that is theology.
So in the story of Satan's fall in the later books of Ezekiel, we are told that God created the heavens and the earth.
God created the angels.
And there was a rebellious angel, Lucifer, who led a rebellion against God and brought one-third of the angels with him and then created what is now the underworld, is the best Hebraic interpretation of that which we now know as hell.
I could go through every single story.
Jonah and the whale, parting of the Red Sea, right?
Ahab on Mount Karma with Elijah.
Here's my answer.
If Genesis 1:1 and the resurrection is true, anything in the Bible is possible.
You're looking at the greatest miracle.
The greatest miracle is creation.
The fact that we have an ordered, intelligible world where we can exist and that human beings are able to flourish, that is a miracle.
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
In Hebrew, that is Bereshit, in the beginning.
And then the fact that Jesus rose from the dead, and I say, How do you know that Jesus rose from the dead?
Well, show me another historical piece of a story where so many people willingly died a brutal death for a lie.
Every single person around him had everything to lose, and yet they went to the absolute death from Paul to Peter to the half-brother of James, saying that Jesus is Lord, Jesus rose from the dead.
Not to mention, if you were going to fake a story, you would not use female witnesses in the ancient world.
In the scriptures, it said that the women were the first one to see Jesus Christ.
If you're trying to fake a story, you would never do that.
Not to mention the 500 people that saw Jesus after he rose from the dead, doubting Thomas, and then the later church that lived under persecution under the belief that Jesus Christ was the Son of God.
All right, our one last question.
Do you think Christianity should be forced onto everybody?
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No.
No.
I don't believe Christianity should be forced.
Then it's not love, it's rape.
So we believe that God loves you, so he will not force you.
And so if you reject God, you will go to hell.
I hope that's not the case for you guys because you can give Jesus Christ, you can live life eternal, but it's a love story, not a forced story.
And so it's this option in front of you.
Will you surrender in front of the cross?
The cross is this idea that the perfect, the divine, came down and took a human form and died the most brutal death the ancient world knew, the most torturous, brutal death that someone could possibly know, and then rose from the dead to defeat death so that you could live forever.
And so it's a gift there right in front of you.
If you take that gift, it transforms you from within, changes your life.
You have joy and happiness that you otherwise would not have.
But you have a conscious choice to reject that.
And I hope you don't.
And if you reject that, then you will go where you want to go, which is an absence and the furthest distance one can be from the divine.
All right.
Well, all right, that's all.
I'm going to pray for you, man.
Thank you so much for your time.
God bless you.
All right.
Yes, sir.
I have one question.
Yes.
LeBron or Jordan, greatest of all time?
Yeah, Jordan, not even close.
For real?
100%.
I could prove it.
All right, break it down.
Break it down.
How many finals has LeBron lost?
Five.
How many finals did MJ lose?
Zero.
What about the points, though?
He played longer, right?
Okay.
Played more games.
Also, back in the 90s, did they play more competitive defense than they do today?
Yeah, but they had like bums playing defense.
They have.
Bro, we got Kawhi.
We got LeBron had to play at Dwight Howard.
Kawaii.
Average point per game NBA now versus average point per game in the 90s was what?
Average point is now like 111 per game.
You guys could fact chat means like 108 to 111.
Back in the 90s, it was 88 to 92.
Because they could shoot.
They can't shoot.
Okay, so they might have gotten better at shooting.
That might be the case.
Exactly.
LeBron's a better shooter.
But he's a better passer, better teammate, better scorer, better teammate.
No, he's not a better teammate.
He's a better team.
He makes bums play good, bro.
Y'all see the Cleveland team?
Cleveland 2017.
Got the Cleveland team.
Michael Jordan and everybody around him.
2018 in the finals, Keeman.
2016 in the finals.
He played with Matthew De La Dova in 2016.
That was his best teammate, bro.
And in 2015, 2015.
So last time he won was in the bubble, right?
Come on.
I'll just say this.
Let me ask a question, though.
So when you lose almost as many finals as you've won, you're pretty much going to get the Warriors and Durant.
Hold on.
Let me finish the point.
You can get it wrong.
Michael Jordan played against Charles Barkley.
He played against Pistol Pete.
Charles Barkley played against the other Mormon on Utah Jazz.
But yeah.
John Stockton.
Yeah, John Stockton.
Yeah.
He played against great teams.
He had to go through the pistons in the Eastern Conference.
Hold on.
Let me ask a question.
When it's all said and done, why did LeBron want to wear MJ's numbers so bad if he was truly the GOAT?
Because he was the GOAT before him.
Oh, okay.
Before him.
I believe the greatest is the one who's never lost a final, the one who redefined the sport.
Redefined the sport.
He redefined the sport.
He brought the National Basketball Association.
That was Larry Bird and MJ was nowhere even in the same ecosystem as Michael Jordan.
But let me ask you, how do you define greatness?
Greatness is impact, is influence.
You think that LeBron has had more influence than Michael Jordan?
I couldn't disagree more.
It just must be a generational thing.
He's my GOAT, bro.
I witnessed.
You know your stuff.
God bless you, man.
All right, God bless you.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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