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April 5, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Woke Ouroboros Eats Itself
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War on the Legal Profession 00:10:12
Hey everybody, a fascinating story from Amherst, Massachusetts of the woke eating itself.
And then we talk about the latest out of Israel and John Eastman being disbarred and a little bit of Nebraska news peppered in between.
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Let's get to Josh Hammer from Newsweek.
Josh, I want to talk to you about the Eastman disbarment.
What is the latest there?
It has been a remarkable story.
Tell us about it.
Yeah, Charlie, always great to join you.
Wish we were under better circumstances.
So last week, you had this 128-page ruling from a state bar court judge.
I guess they have their own mini judiciary just for state bar proceedings out in California.
And the judge there by the name of Yvette Roland devoted 128 pages to purporting to explain why John Eastman should be disbarred from California.
Now, Charlie, let's step back a little bit.
John and I went to the same law school.
We both went to University of Chicago Law School.
I have known about John Eastman since well before I even went to law school.
How?
Because he's been a prolific legal scholar on the right for a very long time.
He was dean of Chapman University School of Law in Orange County, California.
He clerked for Justice Clarence Thomas way back in the 1990s.
He has written prolifically about the Declaration of Independence, about birthright citizenship and the 14th Amendment.
He's been around the block, so to speak.
And nonetheless, he is currently being prosecuted by Fonnie Wills in Georgia.
They're trying to disbar the man in California, a whole host of other stuff as well.
He was forced to retire from Chapman Law.
He lost a visiting scholarship position at University of Colorado Boulder.
And it's very similar to what's going on to Jeffrey Clark, the former high-ranking Trump DOJ official.
They're trying to disbar him right now in Washington, D.C. Actually, literally just yesterday, as I was writing my column on this very topic, the Washington, D.C. bar found Jeffrey Clark in violation of some vaguely defined ethics rule.
They're trying to disbar him there as well.
He's also being prosecuted by Fonnie Wills down in Fulton County, Georgia.
Charlie, the point is that this isn't necessarily about Donald Trump.
It's not necessarily about John Eastman, even though he is a personal friend of mine.
It's not necessarily about Jeffrey Clark.
This is about a war on the legal profession.
I look at the current right of center law students.
I tour the country giving a lot of law school talks.
I look at the current right of center law students who I'm trying to talk to about constitutional interpretation and stuff like that.
They are being intimidated out of ever possibly representing a high-profile Republican, such as a Donald Trump.
being intimidated out of out of even considering joining a future Republican administration, a Department of Justice, because they're trying to get to a point where if you so much as consider representing a Republican or working in a Republican DOJ, you're going to get disowned.
You will get a scarlet letter.
You will be disbarred.
You will not be hired by a big law firm.
It's really disgusting stuff.
And unfortunately, it's quintessentially un-American, I think.
It really is.
And again, I just want to make sure our audience is clear.
What was the reason for the disbarment that he represented his client?
Yeah, no, it's literally that.
I mean, Charlie, you know these arguments just as well as I do.
I mean, they say that John Eastman is an insurrectionist because of the legal advice that he gave to Donald Trump.
Let me take that head on just for a second, actually, if I may.
So in the aftermath of the 2020 election, leading up to January 6th, 2021, John Eastman decided that he was going to legally represent Donald Trump.
Now, when I was in law school, I learned just as every law student learns that you have a legal ethical obligation to passionately and zealously, the term zealously is usually used.
You have to zealously advocate for your client's legal interests.
And you have a lot of leeway, not unbound, but a lot of leeway to do so within the confines of America's adversarial legal system.
What John said is that the 12th Amendment and the Electoral Count Act of 1887 gave the vice president of the United States a more hands-on role, a more active role rather than a purely passive role to determine the legitimacy of the states submitted slates of electors at the Electoral College.
Now, it is worth pointing out, Charlie, the U.S. Supreme Court has never, ever in the history of the Supreme Court definitively, authoritatively interpreted that 12th Amendment provision.
It is what lawyers call a case or an issue of first impression.
It's never been interpreted before.
And John had some real, some real evidence to support his position.
Is he right?
Maybe, maybe not.
Is it within the bounds of legitimate legal argumentation?
100%.
But they're trying to disbar him literally for offering that argument because in their mind, Charlie, as you know, that makes him a so-called insurrectionist.
Yeah, and it's just, this is extraordinary stuff.
And Josh, can you talk about the chilling effect this has in the legal community about how other lawyers are going to be less likely to defend the undesirable defendants because of this?
And what does that mean?
We're going to have a brain drain on the right.
Again, I'm not a fan of college, as you know, but the one defense of college I have is if you're super smart and you can get credentialed and then fight the commies, get to the best law school you can.
But there's a brain drain already in the legal community, right, Josh?
This will only further accelerate it where the best lawyers are just going to say, yeah, I don't want to represent you.
Yeah, Charlie, I have these conversations with my fellow lawyer friends basically every day.
I mean, look, I've taken a very different career path.
I work in commentary and I write columns and speak and do all this stuff.
But most of my fellow lawyer friends who are still practicing law, I mean, they're seriously looking at this stuff and they are asking themselves, hmm, you know, if I work at a law firm or if I work in a solicitor general's office in Ohio, Texas, Florida, California, wherever it may be, do I really want to uproot myself and my family and move to Washington, D.C. to work in the next Republican administration?
If after it is over and after I have served my country, after I have served my cause, after I have fought for truth, justice in the American way, after that, I'm not even going to be employable.
You know, firms back in my hometown are going to look at me and they're going to pass over me.
I'm not going to be able to bring home food and bread to provide for my family.
These are the real kind of conversations that many of my friends are having.
I mean, these things have tangible human costs there, but that really is what they're trying to do.
And that is why I'm so passionate about this.
It's not just about John Eastman.
It's not just about Jeffrey Clark.
They are trying to cow into submission the entire next generation of right-of-center young lawyers and law school students who have any kind of aspirations for public service.
They are trying to make it toxic to represent a high-profile Republican or to work anywhere near Republican or for that matter, broadly speaking, conservative circles.
And like I said, it cannot stand because once upon a time, the left even understood this.
I mean, look back in the middle of last century, Charlie, at the height of the civil rights movement.
The NAACP would go down to the deep south and would represent black Americans at the height of Jim Crow.
Once upon a time, the American left understood very well the imperative that every American deserves legal representation, no matter what your partisan identity, no matter who you are, what your beliefs are.
They were arguably actually at the forefront of doing that during the civil rights movement, the American left.
So look how far they've come.
They went from the forefront with the NAACP, the ACLU, all of that 60, 70 years ago, back when the ACLU was still a liberal and not a woke totalitarian organization.
And now today they're literally trying to disbar their political enemies and throw them in jail in Georgia in this case.
Yeah, I just, I see so many people go to jail unnecessarily on the right, not because they don't have money, some of them, but they can't get the best counsel to defend them because of this.
And we're seeing this infect the legal profession.
And I just, Josh, I'm sure you could point to other instances of lawyers that did far worse than Eastman that did not get disbarment, right?
That did not get the same sort of penalty here.
Is there an appeal process ahead of John Eastman?
Yeah, so the verdict is not in yet.
So he's going to be able to appeal this decision.
And, you know, I'm barred in Texas, not California.
So I have no particular knowledge as to how exactly it works in the California bar system, but he will have a shot at appeal for sure within that California bar system.
Unfortunately, Charlie, it's hard to be optimistic because the California bar, like most state bars, is co-opted by woke leftism.
In fact, even Texas, where I'm barred, you would think that Texas would have at least a politically neutral bar.
Not so much.
I actually was a plaintiff.
I sued the state bar of Texas on free speech First Amendment grounds as part of a public interest lawsuit about five years ago now, back in 2019, because even the Texas bar, where I was barred, they were taking our lawyer dues and they were cross-subsidizing woke left-wing activist causes.
They were cross-subsidizing illegal immigration detention facilities on the southern border.
They were cross-subsidizing all sorts of LGBT stuff that I and my co-plaintiffs were not supportive of.
And now it's Texas.
So the California bar is totally co-opted by leftism.
So I hope that I'm wrong, but it's hard to be particularly optimistic for John Eastman.
Biden's Per-Israel Criticism 00:06:16
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Josh Hammer is with us from Newsweek.
He does a great job there.
You know, Josh, so I pre-tape Morning Joe and I fast forward through it just to kind of see the information warfare that we're in.
They spent half of all of their programming bashing Israel this morning.
It was relentless.
It was cruel.
What's going on in the Israel war?
As you know, my sympathies are behind Israel winning and destroying Hamas.
I think it's good for a civilization that they do that.
And the rewriting of October 7th has just been reprehensible.
What's going on here, Josh Hammer?
Well, first of all, Charlie, you mentioned Maureen Joe.
It's worth pointing out, Mika Brzezinski, her father, who was a longtime neoliberal blob diplomat in D.C., was a pretty known anti-Semite.
So, you know, Mika, I don't really follow her musings closely, but if she's very anti-Israel, it would not surprise me at all because her father, unfortunately, kind of.
Well, I wouldn't say anti-let's just say critical of the, you know, like the regime critical programming, if that makes sense.
Yeah, fair enough.
Totally fair.
Look, so what happened earlier this week, I mean, this Jose Andres mission, this, this world central kitchen strike, it's obviously terrible.
I mean, I'm as pro-life as a company.
I literally speak at pro-life conferences across the country.
Every loss of innocent human life is obviously terrible.
Genesis 1, 27, we are all made in the image of God.
But the IDF has done with this exactly what you would hope a first world military to do, which is that they immediately condemned it.
They said they were going to investigate it from the top down.
And then the news broke overnight.
I read about this morning that the two officers that they found who were culpable for ordering the strike, they misidentified what was happening on the ground and the IDF dismissed them.
So those two officers are gone and they're not going to be involved in the combat here for the rest of the conflict.
But I think it's important to zoom out a little bit here, Charlie.
So there's a guy by the name of John Spencer.
He's the head of urban warfare studies at West Points.
We've published him in Newsweek, man, three or four times over the past few months.
He's been prolific.
I think I saw him in the New York Post today.
He's really getting himself out there.
And the point that John has been making, and this is a guy who was on the ground in Mosul.
He was there in Iraq in 2016, 2017, supervising the U.S. troops as part of their counterinsurgency against ISIS at the end of the Obama administration, early Trump administration.
He is saying that there is no precedent in the history of any urban warfare that he has ever studied to what the IDF has been doing in Gaza.
And he means that in a good sense of the term.
From a combatant to civilian death ratio, according to his calculation, the ratio right now is about 1 to 1.5.
Historically speaking, for urban warfare, that ratio was about 1 to 9.
The United States in Mosul back in 2016, 2017 was about a 1 to 2.5, 1 to 3 ratio.
So based on his study of the situation, there is truly nothing that Israel could be doing more to prevent civilian loss of life here.
And look, the mission has to get done, Charlie.
I mean, telling them to stop short of Rafah.
So right now they've basically been in a holding pattern for really a month, maybe even more than a month now.
They've been waiting to go into Rafah, which is the southernmost stronghold right on the border with Egypt, because they're trying to placate the Biden administration.
Unfortunately, what we saw yesterday, especially with Joe Biden's call for a, quote, immediate ceasefire and Tony Blinken telling Israel not to be indistinguishable from their enemies, the genocidal Hamas organization, what we've seen is that the more that Netanyahu and the current Israeli government try to placate the Biden administration, the more that they are setting themselves up to be betrayed.
That's what's going on right now.
So Israel's going to have to just rip this band-aid off, I fear.
The Biden administration has been woeful, woeful on this conflict, I guess, out of domestic political considerations regarding Dearborn, Michigan.
Israel is going to have to do what needs to be done.
And ultimately, to your point, Charlie, they're doing the world a favor because Hamas remains a U.S.-designated FTO, a foreign terrorist organization.
That has not changed.
That is a federal government-recognized foreign terrorist organization.
You know, right before I joined you on air today, I was scrolling through my Twitter feed.
I saw that Hassan Nasrallah, who was the head of Hezbollah in Lebanon, he was saying that Israel is about to collapse because the Biden administration is putting so much pressure on it.
When you've gotten to a place where another U.S.-recognized foreign terrorist organization with blood on its hands, going back to the Beirut barracks bombings in the 1980s, that's Hezbollah.
When you get to a point where Hezbollah is praising the president of the United States for making your purported ally, Israel, close to collapsing, I mean, you throw your hands up and say, just what in the world is going on here?
Yeah, I want to emphasize this one other time, Josh, because Biden's getting it from both sides.
Some people are saying that Biden is too per-Israel.
Some people are saying that he's too pro, you know, whatever, Hamas.
Here's the thing is that he's arming and giving aid to Hamas while simultaneously saying he's for Israel.
How does this end?
What does success look like?
Without any abstractions, can you give some specifics?
So Israel estimates that they've killed about 18 to 19,000 of the estimated 25,000 Hamas fighters in Gaza.
So that's way more than half, obviously.
They've got to finish the job trail.
They've got to go into Rafah.
They've got to root out those final battalions, kill those soldiers.
And then only after that is done, you start planning for the day afterward, which is obviously a whole different conversation unto itself.
Josh, great work.
Newsweek.
Check it out, everybody.
Thank you so much.
And we'll have you on again soon.
Thank you.
You bet.
Woke Ideology and Kids 00:10:53
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Okay, joining us now to discuss a very important story.
He goes by Yang on social media, a researcher and religious sociologist and a grad student who is commenting on the story from the New Yorker, the meltdown at a middle school in a liberal town.
Yang, welcome to the program.
Tell us all about it.
Thanks for having me here, Charlie.
So I saw this thread on the New Yorker, this post on the New Yorker that talked about this meltdown that we've been seeing all over all over America.
Like it's Mamherst, Massachusetts in this case.
It's like an affluent liberal, mostly like white liberals.
It's a college town.
There's like multiple universities there.
So I think it's a perfect setting for the kind of, you know, this sort of cancel culture that we've been seeing over the past few years or so, where people would try to spar with each other over who gets to be, you know, the most oppressed or who gets to be, you know, the biggest victim.
And that's what we've been seeing over this New York article.
I thought it was very insightful and something very that we that needs to be shown because a lot of people don't know what's going on in these little towns.
And I'm glad that I brought this tweet.
I brought this story out into the world for all of all these people to see.
So this is, let's set the stage here.
So it's Amherst, Massachusetts, which is western Massachusetts, several liberal arts schools in this little town.
Yes, especially Interstellar.
Yes.
Yeah, which is one of the more liberal schools on the planet, right?
You aptly point out that if you drove the windy, woody roads in Amherst, Massachusetts, you would see plenty of signs of in this house.
You know, we believe Black Lives Matter and that trans people are people.
And it's just all that stuff.
So then the drama started.
Talk about some of the specifics here because so that the table is set.
This town voted 90% for Joe Biden.
It's not a mag town.
Over, over 90% blue, completely blue.
If you look at a map, it's solid, solid blue.
Yes, correct.
So yeah, so this town is caught between two different sides of the intersectionality pyramid, right?
So on one side, there's people of color, like, you know, black, indigenous, you know, Asian, Native American, and Hispanic.
And the other side is LGBTQIA plus people.
And it turns out a lot of black and Hispanic counselors or students at this mostly white liberal school, they're pretty religious.
They're pretty Christian.
And that's something, you know, I'm a researcher of religion.
I've studied like religiosity between racial groups.
And a lot of Latinos, a lot of black people are very religious, more religious than white people.
And so a lot of them don't really like the... the transgender transgender ideology that's being pushed to these kids in schools because it goes against their religion.
And so, and then the white liberals, they support both transgender, you know, ideology and they support, you know, we need to listen to black and brown voices.
We need to, you know, white people should have to, you know, be silent, be respectful when a black person is speaking to you because, you know, you need to listen and learn to do the work.
But then these ideologies kind of clash against each other.
Yes.
Because it turns out, yeah, it's an intersectional pileup, as it says.
They clash against each other.
It's like an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
Because it's like, what are you supposed to do?
When the black and Latino guidance counselor who says, you know, these kids need Jesus, you know, I'm going to bring a cross into school.
We need to tell these kids to pray.
And then these white liberals are like, you know, it's all about exploring your gender identity.
It's all about, you know, just affirming yourself.
You're special no matter what.
Your existence can't be denied.
And so there's this huge clash of cultures in this one school district.
And because of all this, all these layers of intersectionality built up in it, it becomes this whole mess that we see today.
Yeah.
So, I mean, it's that old picture of the snake eating itself, which we're going to put up on.
Ouroboros, yes.
Exactly.
Which we're going to put up on screen.
So I want to isolate one thing that you've mentioned.
So there is this hierarchy that has never really been put into writing, but there it is right there.
That does exist within, like, let's just say philosophical Marxist culture or the woke.
Let's just say that.
And that is that you get like more points or you're treated more seriously if you're a person of color than if you're like a white male.
But then who gets higher standing in the Olympics or the hierarchy based on this story?
The trans zealots or people of color?
Who gets to, who wins?
Well, that is exactly that's the question of who wins is exactly why this town is kind of is tearing itself apart, right?
Because I mean, we saw this with like Dave Chappelle, for example.
You know, he was a, he was a black comedian, but he said some things about the trans, about transgender individuals that a lot of people didn't like, or J.K. Rowling, you know, a feminist.
Same thing with the trans issue again.
You know, it's, it's like when these identities are pitted against each other, you know, sparks always fly.
Spark, you know, there's always going to be drama because the pyramid isn't something that's like set in stone.
It's not like, it's not like, you know, God, you know, sent down the 10 woke commandments, you know, and gave it to Moses on Mount Sina.
No, it's not like that.
It's not set in stone.
It's more like, it's more like you just go with the flow, like whatever's the current thing.
You know, maybe in 2020, you know, it was all about, you know, Black Lives Matter.
Maybe in 2022, it was all about, you know, trans issues.
And then maybe 2023, it's all about, you know, Palestine.
You know, there's, it like waxes and wanes.
It goes ups and downs.
So when I talk about this question of, you know, who's on top, in this case, we can see in this article, people are trying hard to strike the balance.
And that's where, you know, the sparks are flying.
It's like when you rub two sticks together, you get a fire, right?
That's what's happening.
This fire, this conflagration that is breaking out here, where it's like blacks, black students and Latino students are bullying these white kids who identify as trans.
But you would usually, you know, punish a bully, especially like a transphobic bully.
But then these school administrators are like, we, we punish black and Hispanic kids too much.
It's not equitable.
So what happens is that, you know, even though the white trans kid is getting bullied, they also have to take into account, you know, you know, systemic racism and, you know, all those they say.
And so it's like, are we supposed to suspend this kid for being homophobic, for being transphobic?
But, but, but he's black.
You know, you know, black people are marginalized.
And so that drama that we see right there is the heart of the issue.
And so if I were to choose a side, I'd say, you know, it's not really either side.
They're still just, it's a war.
It's just, they're both grinding each other down.
That's what, that's how I see it.
Yeah.
And who's going to win is just somewhat of a mystery.
And I love how you talk about how it just waxes and wanes.
It goes to show that there's really no core belief system, though.
Is that it's almost like a social contagion, a fad that whatever the new thing is, you kind of, I mean, you're a philosopher, you're a researcher, you're, you know, you really understand this stuff.
If you had to pinpoint a set of ideas, thinkers, authors that buttress this, what would you, what would you say?
Or is it just kind of inherited social orthodoxies of the day?
Well, I mean, there's, there's a lot of researchers that there's a lot of thinkers, a lot of philosophers that are behind these theories we see today, like, you know, Derek Bell, the founder of Critical Theory, or Judith Butler, you know, who wrote Gender Trouble.
I mean, those thinkers.
But I would say a lot of those philosophers come after the fact.
Like, you know, it was already a thing to think this.
And then the philosophers just put it into words.
It's more prescriptive.
I mean, it's more descriptive than it is prescriptive.
So yeah, you can say, oh, it was CRT that did this.
But, you know, the sentiment was already there, but CRT just gave it a name for this already felt sentiment that, you know, there was this inequality between black and white and maybe Hispanics and Asians in the middle.
There was already this feeling.
And so these ideologies, you know, people like Derek Bell, people like Judith Butler simply label those ideologies and put them into words.
And I think that's where the philosophical undercurrent runs.
It starts from thinking and then it goes out into the academic journals.
It goes out to academia.
It goes out into the think tanks and the NGOs.
Yeah, and it just goes down.
And what's interesting is that Amherst, dare I say, is like the Wuhan lab of COVID.
It's like wokeism kind of comes out of places like Amherst.
Like it is like the factory of the woke mind virus in the sense where like this is one of the quote unquote prestigious universities where they talk about wokeism, they talk about CRT, they talk about this trans stuff all the time.
And they can't even govern themselves with that ideology.
Is that one of the takeaways that it can't be even applied in their own city?
Well, the thing about this ideology is that it always evolves.
So it's hard to govern when you have an ideology that always evolves because one day you're doing something and then the next day it's actually problematic.
One day it's completely fine.
The next day it'll get you canceled for it.
So it's kind of hard to govern when you have an ideology that keeps evolving, keeps adapting to whatever is new.
RFK Fears for Democracy 00:05:57
Yang, plug your sub stack, the stuff you do.
I want our audience to be aware of you.
Right, right, right.
So I have a substack.
It's societystandpoint.com.
So it's society, like the society we live in.
We live in a society and standpoint, like how people view things.
So societystandpoint.com.
I write a lot about, you know, culture war issues.
I write about, you know, race, racial issues, gender issues, culture, politics.
You know, if you look my name up, Shili Yang Pen, or just call me Yang, you can see a lot of articles that I've written all about these issues.
And that might fascinate, you know, that might interest the viewers of your show.
Very good.
Yang, thank you so much.
Super smart.
Come on again soon.
I really enjoyed it.
Thank you.
Thank you, too.
RFK is worrying the Democrats.
We have been on this for months and for months and for months and for months.
And MSNBC, they are running almost non-stop anti-RFK propaganda.
They're starting to run the numbers.
And you had Al Charlatan on television this morning, Al Sharpton, say, oh, you know, they're going to, all the voters are going to leave the third party and come back.
He is so disconnected from the American voter.
I've said for a while, the way that we are seeing things trend in this country, the way that we are seeing the current trajectory is that people want more political options and that Cornell West, Jill Stein, by the way, breaking news, Jill Stein is going to be on the ballot in Michigan.
That's a very big deal.
Now, pending a legal challenge, but they got their act together there.
Those Green Party zealots, you better believe it, those are actual communists.
By the way, what a very smart branding on behalf of the Green Party.
They decide to call themselves the Green Party, which is, you know, obviously we think of communists as the Reds.
It's just, everyone likes the color green.
The color green feels nice.
It's nature, grass.
It's like a non-controversial color.
I think the color green is one of the hot people's favorite colors.
But they are going after RFK full force.
And RFK, he doesn't seem to be mincing words.
He does not think very highly of Joe Biden.
He doesn't think highly of the Democrat regime.
And you get this sense with Nicole Shanahan and his vice president, the media that he's doing, the way he's talking, that RFK is playing the long game, that this is chapter one in the book, RFK 2028, Play Cut 25.
But do you really believe that when people talk about the threat to democracy that Trump poses, do you really think that that is, is it equal to Biden?
Listen, I can make the argument that President Biden is a much worse threat to democracy.
That President Biden is a much worse threat to democracy.
Notorious left-wing blowhard, who named his entire media outlet after people who did the Armenian genocide, Chenk Unger came out, quote, for the first time today, I'm considering RFK Jr.
RFK's right to be concerned about Biden being a threat to democracy.
Biden did support anti-democratic movements within the primary.
The party of democracy did not have a primary.
The party of democracy is trying to sue to allow other candidates off the ballot.
The party of democracy is doing everything they can to try to just make this a one-party state.
Put Trump in prison, kick RFK off the ballot, threaten Cornell West, kick Jill Stein off the ballot.
They don't want competition or the free flow of ideas.
They want one party Stalinistic rule.
And more and more people are starting to wake up.
Now, this is very, very interesting to me.
In Hollywood, there are a couple people who are regime appointed.
They do whatever the powerful tell them what to do.
One of those people is Dwayne Barack Johnson.
He opened up the Super Bowl last year by like screaming into a microphone.
You don't get that gig unless you are cleared by all of the power brokers.
He gets every major film where he basically just like flexes his muscles and smiles.
By the way, I like The Rock a lot.
I've liked him for a while.
He's a good man.
I just, his politics I've never liked.
This shocked me when I saw this this morning.
Somebody green lit this.
Somebody powerful said, this is okay.
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You made that endorsement in 2020.
Are you happy with the state of America?
Am I happy with the state of America right now?
Well, that answer is no.
Do I believe we're going to get better?
I believe in that.
I'm an optimistic guy, and I believe we can get better.
The endorsement that I made years ago with Biden was one I thought was the best decision for me at that time.
And I thought back then, when we talk about, hey, you know, I'm in this position where I have some influence and it's my job then.
I felt like that then.
It's my job now to exercise my influence and share with this is who I'm going to endorse.
Am I going to do that again this year?
That answer's no.
I will say this as our hour is coming to the end.
That is the first piece of evidence that I have received in the last 100 days that Joe Biden might not be the nominee.
That's how big of a deal it is.
It might be an outlier.
It may be a data point.
But Dwayne The Rock Johnson does not just do this on his own, nor does he just go on Fox News to say that.
Who would prove that?
And I mean, I have nothing wrong with Fox, but him going on Fox, that's something he would usually say on entertainment tonight.
Keep your eye on that.
There might be something afoot.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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