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March 25, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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What Makes House Republicans Turn Traitor?
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Seizing Assets Before Election 00:08:51
Hey everybody, Will Scharf and Kurt Schlichter join the program today to talk about the latest bond judgment.
When we did this conversation, it was $400 million.
Now it's $175 million.
Enjoy this conversation.
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Here we go.
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Joining us now is Will Scharf, who is amazing.
And Will is on Donald Trump's legal team, and I'm glad he is.
Will, thank you for taking the time.
Your former federal prosecutor, your candidate for the Missouri Attorney General.
This is an extraordinary day.
Walk us through all the details here.
This is just a bond payment of $450 million.
Will, walk us through it.
That's right, Charlie.
So as your listeners probably know, your viewers probably know, Attorney General Letitia James, far-left Attorney General in New York, brought this civil fraud action against President Trump, despite the fact that no party was defrauded.
The banks testified in our favor, et cetera, et cetera.
That resulted in a multi-hundred million dollar judgment.
We're now seeking to appeal that judgment on numerous constitutional, procedural, and substantive grounds.
We believe our grounds for appeal are extraordinarily strong.
However, in order to bring that appeal, we're being required as of now to post a $450 million appeal bond.
This is an appeal bond far larger than any private party, you know, a non-major public corporation has ever been required to post in New York history.
41 other states cap appeal bonds to avoid exactly this sort of situation.
We've asked the New York appellate courts to intervene, either to reduce the amount of the bond that we would have to put up or to eliminate it entirely while we appeal this case.
We're waiting on word from the New York Appellate Division now, and we're hopeful that they'll do the right thing here.
But in the meantime, we're in this crazy situation where Attorney General James is going around and threatening to seize buildings and assets and bank accounts, all because she doesn't want us to have the ability to appeal this absurd, illegal, unconstitutional judgment that she rammed through against President Trump in New York court.
This is the largest bond in history, Will, for an offense with no victim.
And I just, I can't understand, Will, the enormity of this.
And so just understand, you have to post the bond just to get to appeal.
Is that correct?
That's right.
In order to be able to appeal, in order to stay execution of the judgment, as of now, we're being required to post a $450 million bond.
As you said, this is totally unprecedented.
Sometimes with major public corporations, you know, multi-multi, multi-billion dollar public corporations, you see bonds of this size with large judgments.
But certainly for a private individual, a company the size of the Trump organization, this is wildly unprecedented.
It's never happened before.
And it really just speaks to the absurdity of this whole situation.
President Trump has said repeatedly that this is really, in his mind, about election interference.
It's about depriving him of the assets that he might otherwise spend to get himself reelected as president, as is his constitutional right.
So this is just an outrageous case in so many ways.
And I believe at this point, the procedural pain is the point that Attorney General James wants to interfere with President Trump's ability to run his businesses, to run for president, to do everything that he ordinarily does.
And that's why they've been so unreasonable at every stage as we prepare to appeal this case.
So I want to, so Letitia James is likely to wait for ruling from appeals.
I mean, is it conceivable they start seizing assets in the next couple of days if Trump doesn't post this?
And it has to be cash.
He can't put up other assets.
Under New York law, typically you can't put up real estate.
We have an appeal before the New York Appellate Division right now.
We could hear from them any day.
Obviously, if she starts going after assets, we would have other potential legal challenges to those enforcement actions, to that specific process.
So we're fighting on all fronts.
We're going to continue fighting on all fronts in the days ahead.
But I am at least hopeful that the New York appellate courts, either the appellate division or the New York Court of Appeals, the highest court in New York, may intervene here just because of how absurd this whole situation is.
And the ramifications of it are just extraordinary.
So then also fill us in, Will, on the Alvin Bragg situation.
Donald Trump is in New York for two things.
Walk us through it.
So the Alvin Bragg case, Alvin Bragg is the left-wing Soros-funded New York DA.
He brought a business records case against President Trump, alleging that payments that President Trump made to his attorney that were booked as legal payments were improperly recorded because they actually related to election-related activities.
This is a case that the Biden Department of Justice itself passed on bringing.
Bragg rammed it through a New York grand jury, and President Trump is likely going to have to stand trial on it at some point.
That having been said, the entire case is reliant on the testimony of Michael Cohen, who's been found to be a perjurer numerous times by a number of different courts.
This is a guy who's such an uncredible witness that no honest prosecutor would ever bring a case that relies on his testimony.
No honest prosecutor would put him up as a witness.
Just as an officer of the court, you have an obligation to ensure that the testimony you're presenting, the evidence you're presenting is honest.
I don't think you can plausibly do that when Michael Cohen is your witness.
All that having been said, what we discovered a couple weeks ago is that Bragg's office had failed to turn over tens of thousands of pages of documents from the Biden DOJ, other relevant documents that we were entitled to receive.
So this case, which was actually supposed to go to trial today, has been delayed indefinitely.
And we've sought to push the trial date back while we continue to uncover just how outrageous these discovery violations have been.
The different layers of this are hard for people to keep track of and to pinpoint.
Is there any universe?
I know that you're not able to say anything that is under privilege, but where President Trump decides not to pay the bond, but does that effectively end any appeal process?
They're holding the appellate process based on the ability to put up $500 million cash.
Well, we can proceed with the appeal, but in the meantime, Attorney General James would be able to go after assets, potentially sell real estate.
Remember, the Trump organization directly and indirectly employs thousands and thousands and thousands of people.
What Attorney General James is doing is essentially she's interfering with the continuity, the continuation of ordinary business activities and is attacking President Trump's ability to use his assets, to dispose of his assets, potentially to support his campaign for president.
It's all pretty absurd.
So we're going to appeal.
We're definitely going to appeal this judgment.
We're going to take it all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary.
Fighting Election Interference 00:15:29
But in the meantime, the amount of interference that the potential attachment of assets, the potential fire sale of assets, I mean, it's just, it's an absurd situation that we're going to do everything we can to fight.
Tell our audience about your candidacy for the Missouri Attorney General.
Look, you know, we've been all over the state of Missouri.
Missouri conservatives are as fired up now as ever before.
They're just done with these sort of establishment Republicans who talk a good game on the campaign stump, but then don't get it done.
Missouri is a deep red state.
We deserve deeply conservative government, and we just haven't been getting that.
So our grassroots people are fired up.
We think we're going to have a great summer and a great November next year.
I'm excited to hopefully be on the ballot alongside President Trump as we take back America.
What date is your primary, Will?
It's going to be August 6th, Charlie.
Wow, that's a late primary.
So you got a lot of time from now till there.
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Will, I want to play around with this.
Potentially, is there a Supreme Court case that could be, or just some challenge in a federal court, absent all the New York corruption on Eighth Amendment grounds?
Play cut eight.
Everybody understand this is just so he can appeal.
If he doesn't come up with a half a billion dollars in cash, he can't appeal the case, which on Eighth Amendment grounds of the Constitution is an excessive fine by anyone's analysis.
So, Will, is there a potential challenge here?
And who would hear it?
Yeah, absolutely.
So, the Supreme Court said in a case called Tim's that the excessive fines clause of the Eighth Amendment applies to state criminal prosecutions, state actions like this one.
That would be our highest court of appeal here.
We believe there are strong constitutional grounds, Eighth Amendment and otherwise, why this judgment was unconstitutional and illegal.
We're certainly going to pursue all options there.
But again, we've got to get around this issue of the bond, and we've got to take this up step by step by step and just keep fighting at every opportunity.
It has to be a cruel and unusual punishment.
It has to be.
Let's play another piece of tape here.
Let's play cut 16.
Prosecutors have a lot of authority and a lot of power, but you don't always have to use it at its fullest in every case, in every instance, just because you can.
And so if I were the attorney general here, I'd like to hear what the appellate court has to say about the amount of the bond and whether they're going to reduce it.
Because you can always move against the assets on Tuesday or Thursday or Monday of next week.
So this whole idea of seizing the assets is dependent on whether or not this bond thing comes through.
Will they only go after New York properties?
Is there jurisdiction only in the state of New York?
Can they go to another state and seize properties?
They can.
They would have to file with that state's court to essentially register the judgment in that state and proceed on that basis.
But it brings up a big, that clip you just played brings up a bigger point about prosecutorial discretion.
Prosecutors do have a ton of power in this country.
And as a former prosecutor, I can tell you that we're trained to use that power wisely, to attempt to do justice and not just run roughshod over people's rights because we can.
That's the opposite of what we've seen in all these cases against President Trump, where we've seen an unprecedented weaponization of prosecutorial power of the courts to oppress President Trump, I believe, purely because he decided to run for president again.
This is election interference.
This is an attempt to weapon.
It's an attempt to weaponize our courts to interfere with President Trump's constitutional right to run for president and all of our constitutional rights to pick a candidate of our choice on the ballot next November.
That's what's so outrageous about these legal abuses.
So I want to, you perfect segue, Will.
This is Rachel Maddow back in June of last year, but she said it perfectly.
You have to wonder, if Trump stops running for office, maybe all this will disappear.
Play cut 19.
You have to wonder if the Justice Department is considering whether there is some political solution to this criminal problem, whether part of the issue here is not just that Trump has committed crimes, but that Trump has committed crimes and plans on being back in the White House.
Do they consider as part of a potential plea offer something that would prescribe him, proscribe him from running for office again?
I don't know.
You hear this, Will?
And again, Rachel Maddow obviously is on group chats with DOJ prosecutors.
She is tied into the regime very closely.
Here's Rachel Maddow saying, oh, you have to wonder, is there a political solution to this?
Go away, Trump.
And all of a sudden, you can keep your stuff.
Look at every opportunity.
Jack Smith, the special counsel and his team have attempted to force the Florida and D.C. cases to trial as quickly as humanly possible against typical DOJ policy, against the way cases of this complexity would ever be handled in another instance.
And they've said in court pleadings again and again that they believe there is a public interest in President Trump sitting for trial before the election.
They've kind of admitted the quiet part out loud that they view these cases as an adjunct to the political process.
Now, prosecutions are never supposed to be political.
According to binding DOJ regulations, they're also never even supposed to appear political.
We've seen that totally turned on its head here in this rush to judgment, in this rush to get Trump at all costs.
And what Rachel Maddow said there, I mean, it's just despicable.
The idea that you would indict a guy, you would threaten to throw him in prison for the rest of his life, threaten to take away every dollar he's made over a long and storied business career for essentially political reasons.
It's un-American.
It's unconstitutional.
And it has to stop.
Will, you're doing a wonderful job.
Thank you so much.
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Joining us now is Kurt Schlichter, who is the author of The Attack.
So we now have some breaking news.
Actually, Trump bond reduced to $175 million at the 11th hour.
So that is just some breaking news I want to make sure I share with you guys with a partial stay.
Kurt, welcome to the program, author of The Attack.
Everyone should check it out.
Kurt, what do you think of what is happening with Donald Trump's assets and the attempt to seize them in the state of New York?
I think the whole thing is a, I'm going to keep it FCC compliant, please.
It's the blanking disgrace.
You know, I'm sitting here and I'm literally practicing law when I'm not talking to you.
And what I see happening to Donald Trump bears no relation to the kind of law I practice and that every other lawyer in America has practiced for 30 years.
You know, I go to the Ninth Circuit, I go to federal courts, I go to state courts, wherever.
And stuff like this doesn't happen.
This is a scam.
It's a sham.
He's being framed.
He's being lied about.
He's being the target of vindictive prosecution.
You know, the idea that someone would run for attorney general on the promise that I'm going to find a crime is so deeply and all-encompassingly un-American.
It's just disgusting to see our garbage ruling class elite embracing this idea and somehow thinking this doesn't change things, thinking this isn't going to become standard procedure.
You know, you throw away the norms, you throw away the guardrails, and you're in Thomas Moore territory.
You remember that great soliloquy or monologue he has in Man for All Season?
Oh, yeah.
Where he says, yes, I give the devil the benefit of the law because once you've cut down every tree to get to the devil and the devil turns around, where are you going to hide?
That's also a great segue because Thomas Mo came up with the word utopia or used it extensively, which means nowhere.
These people, I think, believe New York will become utopia as long as we exterminate the Trump vermin.
I actually believe they have this core sense that Donald Trump is a tumor, Donald Trump is a cancer, and I will be a happier person if We get him out of the state of New York.
Your thoughts, Kurt Schlichter.
Look, I've never thought that they hated Donald Trump.
In fact, they liked Donald Trump.
They invited him to his weddings and parties and loved to be on his TV shows and interview him.
They hate the people that Donald Trump decided to represent.
Donald Trump, yes, Donald Trump is a class traitor.
And, you know, it's very hard for me, who, a guy who just despises Marxism and loves what America is supposed to be, and actually, you know, did a small part defending it to see my country really being shown to have a very clear class system.
And there is a ruling class and there is everybody else.
And that's becoming very, very obvious.
And for a long time, the Democrats were able to come across as, you know, we're the party of the little guy.
That is stopped.
That is the little guy is now the bad guy.
That's the yeoman farmer who was the backbone of America is now the white role enraged terrorist.
It's bizarre.
It's disconcerting.
And I think it's very, very dangerous for our country.
And so the only way to stop this is to win.
Am I oversimplifying that, Kurt?
Because I got no.
Yeah, please go.
The only way through is to fight through.
I mean, you know, the tactic when you're ambushed in the army is you turn around and you fight through the ambush.
We've got to fight.
And the idea that, you know, I think some alleged conservatives, alleged Republicans, think there's some sort of referee out there who's going to come in and make everything right because what's happening is so vaguely smart.
You know, can I interrupt you, Kurt?
All the time, people, you know, I raise money.
You know, we have to raise a ton of money at turning point.
And every so often, I'd say one out of 100 people say, but Charlie, America is going to come to its senses and someone's going to intervene and set this right.
There is this idea of this kind of moral referee that just kind of comes in and calms everything down.
Yeah, but we're the referee, American citizens.
You know, it's always weird to me how some people want to live in this childlike world where you can run the teacher and she's going to make it all okay.
That's not how the world is.
It's certainly not how our country is.
It's not how our country was designed.
Because if you have a, look, if you have somebody who can be a referee, that person's your boss.
Here's my chain of command: God, me, the American citizen, government officials, blunkies, and everybody else.
They're down there somewhere.
There is a chain of command.
They're not in it.
The American citizen is sovereign, but also has an obligation to protect himself and to protect his constitution.
And that's what we've got to do at the ballot box.
And that's what we're doing.
You guys are doing a great job getting out there, trying to energize voters.
That's the message.
Nobody's going to save you.
You've got to save yourself.
And that's true in everything.
I wrote an article at Town Hall today about the terrorist threat, the same way I wrote about in my book, The Attack.
And I said, Look, nobody's coming to protect you.
When you're in a music hall and some idiots show up and start shooting people, the cavalry is not going to come.
Not in any timeframe that's going to save you.
You better be prepared to save yourself.
You better be ready to fight back if you can.
Better be ready to stop the bleeding on a fellow citizen who gets shot.
You've got to take charge.
Democracy, I mean, we're a Democrat, a republic with Democratic principles, but it's citizen, you know, it's a participation sport.
Okay.
It's not a spectator sport.
And if you're sitting out, you're going to lose.
That is why we've got to fight.
And we've got to exercise our rights and our power.
And, you know, you look at the Republicans, and of course, a lot of them are afraid to do that.
They somehow think it's wrong to stand up for our values.
I don't get it.
So the Kurt, I want to have you riff in a way that only Kurt Schlichter can at this at this.
I was going to use the word bizarre, but it doesn't capture it perfectly.
Rana Gallagher MSNBC Debate 00:04:14
Of these Republicans resigning midterm.
What is going on here, Kurt?
Seriously, I just.
I don't know.
And I know Mike Gallagher a little, for instance, and I like Mike Gallagher.
I think he's a talented guy.
I don't understand why he would wait five days and keep that seat open.
My guess is, because I know Mike Gallagher and I believe he's got a lot of integrity, even though I don't agree with him on everything.
I think he probably just made a mistake and we'll see him retire.
Kurt, I love you, man.
How can you say he has integrity?
Sell it to me because it looks like this guy's a weasel that's trying to make Keen Jeffries the gavel.
What am I missing?
There are, look, we've got to see what the actual people make mistakes.
The test of character is when you correct them.
If he comes back and says, hey, hey, hey, I'm out of there a week earlier.
So we don't leave this seat vacant.
Then it's like, oh, okay.
He made a mistake.
But why even resign, though?
I don't understand.
Where does this come from?
I don't know either.
And there may be family issues.
There may be other personal issues.
I don't know.
And it may be a good reason.
It may be a bad reason.
I know the guy he gets the benefit of the doubt.
Ken Buck does not get the benefit of the doubt because his proven track record of failure.
You know, we have to take each case individually.
I don't need to look for problems with Republicans.
They're there already.
Okay.
But I am optimistic.
I think we are going to, we are slowly moving forward.
Ronna McDaniel's gone.
She's MSNBC's problem.
We're going to get to that.
We're going to get to that.
I just, and Kurt, we could dialogue privately.
We don't need to do this on air, but I just want to, here's my take.
I had no ill feelings towards Gallagher until he voted against the impeachment of the Orcas and he resigns midterm.
I think he's being blackmailed by the administrative state.
That's just me.
We could talk privately.
We don't need to do this on air.
Okay.
So now we got to get to Rana.
And Kurt, you know, I take everything you say super seriously and we don't agree on everything, but you're the best.
Rana.
So who actually likes Rana?
She's hated by MSNBC.
She's hated by NBC.
Riff on this and we'll play it after the break.
Wow, Rana McDaniel.
It is just so perfect that she would go to MSNBC as a commentator.
Although her job was never commenting.
Her job was not to be a pundit.
Her job was to be an administrator and she was a terrible one.
I mean, she was awful.
She's left the Republican National Committee in terrible shape.
I'm hoping that Watley and Lara Trump can fix it up.
Who knows?
Maybe, maybe, maybe they can.
I hope.
But I just think it's so delicious she goes to NBC.
And the people at NBC, the same one who hired Jen Stocky while she was still working as a Spokesman for the Biden regime goes completely insane.
Well, we can't have a Republican here who's actually a Republican.
Well, you know, I think we're going to see her Michael steal herself into an acceptability among these people.
Mark my words.
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Yeah, she's the worst.
It's just awful.
Good morning.
Joe is erupting about it.
You know, when you have anti-Rana pieces on MSNBC and Gateway Pundit, you got something going there.
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Kurt, tell us more about your book, please.
The attack is a novel, and I could have written it as nonfiction, but I wanted to do fiction because I wanted to punch people in the gut with the danger that we face from terrorists thanks to our open border and our asleep at the wheel, federal law enforcement, federal government.
I mean, look, if you happen to be doing something like taking selfies at the rotunda or praying outside an abortion mill, the FBI is all over you.
However, if you're, oh, I don't know, a military age male from a country full of people who hate us, you got a free pass.
Well, at least you did.
I mean, even Chris Ray, Charlie, Chris Ray is saying, hey, wait a minute, you know, maybe having millions of these guys come in here could be a problem.
It's more than a problem.
It is a deadly threat.
And I read about today at Town Hall.
I read about in the attack.
We saw what happened at Moscow.
Barely trained suicidal guys with very simple weapons can cause mass casualties.
Multiply that by hundreds.
I use the example of those idiots in Boston.
Two guys with handguns and some pressure cookers literally shut down an entire city.
Well, we've let five, 10, 12 million people into our country, Charlie.
And some of them are bad people.
The enemy could come up with 1,000, 2,000, even more.
And all they have to do is strike.
I'm very, very concerned.
The military intelligence and counterterrorism people I have talked to in researching the attack are very, very concerned.
You need to be ready to act.
If you can conceal carry, you should.
I live in a blue state, which would probably be a target because you're less likely to get shot if you're one of these bad guys.
And understand that an individual with a weapon is decisive in these situations.
Because even if you have five guys with superior firepower, you have one citizen who's armed, that guy takes them off the rails.
Suddenly, they have to reorient to take out that threat.
Well, normal citizens can get away while the police can build up combat power.
An armed citizen is not just shooting them.
An armed citizen is occupying them and drawing fire.
And we need to be ready to do that.
Like I said, being a citizen is participatory.
And part being a citizen is defending the citizen.
Counting Votes Armed Citizens 00:02:21
So, Kurt, just some breaking news here.
The UN has just approved a ceasefire in Gaza, and the U.S. has abstained.
Your reaction here.
That's the most morally bankrupt thing I've ever heard.
I mean, you know, we're just talking about terrorists.
The answer to terrorism is to kill terrorists.
And that's what the Israelis are doing.
And we should be helping them do it.
Hamas needs to be annihilated.
Okay.
There are two lessons that can be drawn.
Either you can go on a rape and murder spree and kill over a thousand people and either survive or die.
I prefer we establish the people who do that die.
Then we will have fewer of them do it.
But, you know, this Biden administration is going to, it is doing everything it can to make sure Israel loses this war.
And Israel needs to win this war, not just for Israel, but for all of us.
Hamas must be stopped.
They're a bunch of monsters.
Final thought here, Kurt.
Your analysis, Trump v. Biden v. RFK.
What are you looking at that you don't think people are covering enough concerns you have?
Adjustments that need to be made politically?
I'm very concerned about, first of all, for a long time, I thought there was no way Trump was going to win.
There are far too many people who unreasonably hate him.
The evidence has changed.
He is now ahead.
I think that's clear.
But being ahead in polls, Charlie, is, as you well know, only half of it.
We have got to get votes counted.
That is all that matters.
Votes counted are all that matters.
Not rallies, not tweets, not memes.
Votes counted.
We need to vote early.
We need to vote by mail where possible.
We need to bank votes.
We need to do it right.
I know you guys are doing a great job mobilizing people to get out there and vote.
But if we don't get votes counted, we lose.
That is the entire struggle.
Kurt, great work.
Thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
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