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March 2, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
01:41:58
THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 35 — Antifa On Fire? White Rural Rage? Shoot Squatters?

In this week’s ThoughtCrime, Charlie Kirk, Jack Posobiec, Blake Neff, and Tyler Bowyer ask many important questions, including:   -What to make of that guy who burned himself up for Palestine? -Why is the left obsessed with "white rural rage"? -Who should win the Veepstakes?Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This week's edition of Thought Crime, Jack Pesobic here.
Your host, Charlie Kirk, is on his way.
I'm here in Washington, D.C., where it was a little bit cold today, but we're going to talk a little bit about some ways that the local residents are using to heat themselves this week on the cold, cold streets of Washington, D.C.
But joining me back in studio over in warm and sunny Phoenix, we've got Blake and we've got Tyler.
What's up, guys?
Howdy, Jack.
What's up, Jack?
You're staying warm?
What is the weather like?
Man Burns Himself for Virality 00:10:34
I honestly know.
It's like 38 and we had a crazy windstorm all last night throughout the night.
So I constantly kept getting woken up in the middle of the night thinking that people were like breaking into the house or that the kids were running around.
So let's just say the Second Amendment was well exercised.
Well, it is a chilly 72 degrees here.
So that's why I'm wearing a jacket.
It's freezing, freezing.
Literally, a couple clouds yesterday.
It was terrible.
Yeah.
You know, I'm thinking about this proverb I heard once, Jack, which is, if you start a man afire, he'll be warm for an evening.
But if you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
And that, of course, gets into our first topic, as we've been alluding to here.
I call him Colonel Crispy.
I don't know if others have their own nicknames for this fellow, but it's been a surprisingly long-lived story.
I saw a lot of predictions when it happened that this was a super pointless gesture because our media cycle is so fast that if you do a stupid kill yourself stunt, everyone will move on within 24 hours.
But this Bushnell guy, he has made it a little bit.
Let's give some context before we start getting into the thought crimes of it.
Because in a sense, this was a thought crime which became a sort of physical crime, actual crime in the real world.
We are going to play the video, and many people have seen this and heard of the story where a young airman, so active duty Air Force member, a guy who, by the way, was an intelligence analyst, intelligence analyst in the United States military working on Fort Meade, which is not far away from Washington, D.C., decided to protest the war in Gaza, Israel's war in Gaza,
by going to the Israeli embassy and lighting himself on fire.
And so, I'll throw a warning out that if you have young people watching right now, you should probably just kind of turn this off for the next, probably about the next 10 minutes or so.
If you want to skip the topic completely, definitely for the next minute, because we are going to play the video.
And as a reminder, and I see folks in the chat saying this, that yes, it is still Lent, and I must keep my promise to not be mean to anyone online during Lent.
So, can't be mean about the story in any way.
Blake, I assume we'll be picking up a slack.
Okay, so without further ado, let's play cut 118.
You know, I was watching this with some family members the other day, and they did point out it's not the best look for the local police to whip out their gun and point it at the guy who's 100% on fire and screaming.
It didn't seem like the most useful response, but it's also pretty unusual to run into someone just setting themselves on fire.
So, I'm not sure what I would do.
Yeah, you never, you do never know because I'll say this from someone who's run security operations and been in the military.
That when you're in a situation like that, you never know what's going to come next.
You don't know if this guy had a suicide device on him.
You don't know if he's going to get up and start attacking you.
You don't know what's going to happen.
And so, if you're a security officer and your job is to protect the security of the consulate or just the people who are walking around or the embassy, I think it is the embassy, that would certainly be following the training.
And maybe that actually, and by the way, at the same time, protecting the first responder who's going in to try to help, because in Washington, D.C., of all places, this wouldn't be the first time that there had been a fire and someone tried to attack the person who was putting it out.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And the bigger thing here that's really interesting is just the meta responses to it.
One of the big ones that happened over the last year.
He did.
Oh, I will throw out that just for anyone who still doesn't know the story, he did end up passing away.
So, he died from not immediately, but from, I think it was actually just a totality of the injuries later on that evening.
Wait, he didn't die on the spot?
No, he didn't die on the spot.
They actually got him to the hospital.
How did they get it?
How did they put him out?
I think they had fire extinguishers eventually.
Yeah, I don't know.
No, no, there is a fire.
Maybe we may have clipped it off.
Wait, that's horrible.
So he, wait, he was.
There is a fire extinguisher that did we forget if we played or not.
But yeah, there's, oh, okay.
So we have the longer.
Do you guys want to play clip 119?
So, this 119, it's without the audio, but towards the end of it, you can see it has the, yeah, let's go ahead and play it because at the end of it, it has the what Blake is talking about.
There's this, it's hard to tell.
I think it's someone from embassy security who does have a firearm that comes out, and then someone else who seems to be an emergency support that has that has the fire extinguisher that's putting them out.
So, right, you've got sort of the gun and the person with the fire extinguisher at the same time.
Well, if it makes you feel better, Tyler, if you have third-degree burns, it stops hurting because you burn away the pain.
Yeah, I mean, he must have-he must have been in a coma until he died, right?
I don't know.
I'm not an expert on that.
It's unlikely.
It's unlikely he was conscious.
It's very unlikely.
I mean, but still, the excruciating pain of, oh, they put him out.
Wow.
Okay, so you haven't seen this video.
All right.
Well, that's why I'm glad that we're showing this.
Right, so you've got police that are showing up.
This area, DC, does have a lot of police in it as a regular basis on a regular basis.
I remember when I worked in Capitol Hill, if there was ever an incident, there's certain problem areas.
Obviously, the Israeli embassy has been since, you know, really since October 7th has been a place that has higher security, higher police presence just because of the hostilities.
But I remember the, you know, on Capitol Hill, the police response was incredible.
It was like three minutes, four minutes.
You'd have people there.
Wow.
Yeah.
So obviously.
Oh, and we should also say that one piece of information.
So I remember when I first saw the video on Twitter, I was like, I was wondering, how do we have the video?
Because obviously he did not upload the video himself later.
And turns out that when I dug into it, he went.
And so this guy, full-fledged member of Antifa, full-fledged Antifa supporter, while currently serving in the military, Blake, I'll have a question for you about that in a minute.
But had been participated in numerous Antifa events in the past.
And he was actually an active Twitch user.
And so this video of himself, and there's a whole other aspect to this that we have to talk about, where he actually did this essentially to go viral because he was live streaming to his Twitch account when he killed himself.
And that's how we have the video of it.
Oh, no way.
Well, we've got, I mean, people live stream everything now.
I think we've, we're at more than one mass shooting that's been live streamed.
So multiple.
We definitely live in the age of one suicide, you know, going as viral as possible in a very macabre way.
But man, this, I mean, I can't think of any suicide that's that's gone this big before.
Not like this.
Well, the last, the other famous guy to self-immolate got on the cover of a Rage Against the Machine album.
So maybe this guy will get on the inside of a re-release on vinyl or something.
He'll get.
But he may end up tattooed on someone's face.
But to get into the bigger big picture thought crime elements of it.
So first of all, one of the funniest outcomes of this after it happened is obviously a lot of people on the left really support the cause Bushnell was killing himself over.
And so they wanted to have a positive response.
So some people said, rest in power, Aaron Bushnell.
Aaron Bushnell was the guy's name.
I'm not sure if he ever said that.
And so they say rest in power, which is the same thing they've said about George Floyd, Trayvon Martin, a lot of those kind of BLM cause celebs.
And this caused backlash because several people were saying, you can't say rest in power for Aaron Bushnell because that's actually a phrase you should only use for black people who are killed.
Now, I will note, Aaron Bushnell did become black, but they don't seem to be recognizing that transition.
So, for example, we have this image, some random Twitter user.
Can we not use this phrase on white men, please?
I get the sentiment, but rest in power is historically used to mourn black people who were killed by hate crimes and police.
And that's been a somewhat common response.
And so, there is a very, it feels like something out of a black comedy or something where this guy literally kills himself to get cred with the left.
And instead, they complain about whether they're using the right terms in their perpetual grievance hierarchy.
I've tried so hard to not laugh this entire time, but it's like, it is so out of control, ridiculous, what they did to this guy afterwards.
Like the fact that they were questioning.
You know, I didn't make a Lenten promise to not laugh at people on the internet.
So I'm going to embrace it.
Yes, he died, but some deaths are funny.
And there's a lot about this death that is funny.
And it's grim, too.
Islamic Angle on Suicide 00:15:06
I wish he had not made the decisions in his life that led to him making this decision.
Becoming the stay puff marshmallow man.
Yeah, but he chose to do a dumb thing in the service of a cause, I will note, that is repugnant as well.
He did this to support Palestine in the context of Hamas just went and murdered a thousand people and is then throwing this butthurt temper tantrum that Israel didn't take this very well and is bombing to ask about this.
What are we to make of the fact that this was a guy who, as far as we know, was not Muslim?
So I don't think there was a religious aspect here that that could come out.
So I don't know.
But what do we make of the fact that this guy is a U.S. Air Force member in the United States who's not directly involved in the conflict?
Presumably doesn't have any family members who are involved in the conflict.
Yet he's willing to become so radicalized by something that he basically got into online over it when you don't have people who like, I don't know, live in the region or any of these jihadist organizations that are like literally right there, you know, either operating throughout the Sinai, Muslim Brotherhood and others, or like Hezbollah that are even getting involved.
I think the leader of Hezbollah came out and said something like, oh, we're monitoring the situation and you don't have anybody that's doing things like this in the region.
And you get this guy who says, well, I'm going to go viral on Twitch to show people how hardcore I am.
Well, with the, I will say with the Islamic angle of it, where they're closer to it, they definitely do a lot of suicide stuff, but they can do what's more effective suicide, if you will.
You know, you do a suicide bombing.
We wear a suicide vest.
You ride on a paraglider to attack a concert full of hippies.
And this, you know, you're less able to do that.
And I think it also goes against a lot of our moral intuitions.
It is bad to do something like that.
Whereas we do have a long tradition of protest.
And I guess it doesn't immediately get to me what people have different responses to this because my personal moral intuition is that it is not heroic to kill yourself purely to purely as a stunt.
But clearly, some people did BB Netanyahu come out and say, oh my gosh, I watched this terrible video.
It's what was I thinking?
It's all back or over now.
It didn't work with him, but I do think there's a sense that there are a decent number of normies or normal-ish people who seem odd by this, who seem in some way impressed that this person was so committed to it that it, in some sense, boosted the cause or gave him raised awareness or something like that.
Well, I mean, here's, but here's the reality and like everything I was thinking about.
There's no way this guy had this idea on his own, right?
I think he might have had this idea honestly.
You think so?
Yeah.
So somebody did this in December.
There was a girl.
I just looked this up before the show.
Yeah, there was a girl who, and it was reported, but it wasn't live streamed.
And I don't have it in front of me.
I have something else in front of me.
Yeah, but why did she get it?
I think it was at like the concept in.
There's a history of people performing self-imulation.
It's really old.
And then basically from the Vietnam War.
Yeah, it's the can we if you guys want to look it up quick here.
I'll just bring it up.
The Rage Against the Machine album cover.
And then and then the whole Arab Spring was, you know, outside of the CIA elements was kicked off by a guy who, what was his name?
A guy doing it in 2019.
Oh, he's a Tunisian guy.
So it's definitely something that happened.
Which, by the way, Blake, you'll appreciate it has also been has also been denounced ritualistically at this point.
But so the Rage Against the Machine album cover, the guy's name was Thick Kwang Duke.
I can't pronounce Vietnamese, but he was a monk who monks do this.
Yeah, but monks do this, but they're not supposed to shout and scream in the middle of it.
Yeah, well, it depends on who's doing it, I guess.
Yeah, he famously completely did.
It was the Israeli consulate in Atlanta, Georgia, December 1st.
So December 1st, he's really caught and slid in Atlanta.
But monks are, you're not supposed to do, you're not supposed to scream.
So that's what I'm saying.
So if he got the idea from the girl, I'm trying to trace this back, Jack.
We have to do some tracing here.
If he got the if they got the idea from monks, monks don't scream, so they didn't do it right.
So he didn't do it right.
He didn't light himself on fire.
Well, it just, I don't, I cannot, I don't know that there's really rules for all of no, there's rules.
Monks will tell you there's rules to self-image.
Well, but I don't think he did it.
But did they take they take a vow of silence, maybe?
Maybe because this guy, I wish this guy had taken a vow of like cringelessness because unfortunately for us he's going to I wish he had taken one because unfortunately this is going to live on forever.
It's kind of hard to watch something like that and you know you just can't unsee it.
You can't unsee it.
And so I guess my question no, it's what's really interesting is you know, Blake, I don't know if this has had any effect on people's opinion of the war.
I think it's it's gotten some it's gotten people more involved in it and it started sparked a conversation.
But I kind of feel like if you've got a position on this, you're not changing it at this point.
What were his last words?
What'd he say?
Free Palestine.
Free Palestine.
Welcome, Charlie.
Welcome to your studio.
Yeah, come back to you.
Sorry, stuck in traffic.
But it was like Free Palestine, right?
Yeah, he was just kind of Palestine.
But he was like, maybe his last words were, he kind of, it is quite painful to set yourself on.
So a Muslim, was that a Muslim prayer?
Was that the, was that the called it?
Always hard to tell.
Always hard to tell.
I have seen some speculation that he may not have actually intended to die.
Some people have kind of thought he might have been looking around, like, were people going to put him out?
He might not have expected the fire to be quite as far as possible.
Oh, wow.
In which case.
Wait, he set up the fire extinguishers by his phone.
Oh, did he?
I didn't.
No, I'm asking that question.
Is that where they got fire extinguishers?
Or could he, maybe he called 911 before he did it?
Or he just might have not expected the fire to be that big and maybe someone.
Yeah, he live streamed it.
So maybe he thought people were in the middle.
I don't think he can save him.
I don't think he called it in.
I think that's just in an area of DC that has a ton of security around it at all the times.
Yeah, but what was the sound that was that rolling sound?
It sounded like that's Cleveland Park.
Like that's up by going out towards.
Did he knock over the fire extinguisher?
I don't know.
I don't know the whole, like, you know, this isn't the Zapruder film here.
It's not the mechanics of his death that are most interesting to me.
What's most interesting to me is that he did it, that people are, again, like Jack said, that people are this radicalized about something that's in a different country that our military is not directly involved in.
Our country is not super directly involved in.
And yet he killed himself over it.
And then the other fascinating thing to me is the reaction to it.
And like in the bigger picture, it's the way that a lot of people, even on, even on the right, I've noticed there's more sympathy, support for the Palestinian cause, especially on Twitter and the like, in a way I definitely don't feel I saw in the past.
No, I think that's exactly right.
Hi, everyone.
I'm here now.
Everyone did such a great job.
I was watching on my way in.
So a couple of thoughts.
It's just, it's amazing how this is how a service member gets talked about more than anything else, is they light themselves on fire for a foreign country's conflict than like dying for the American cause.
I think that's the buried lead here is that you want to get remembered as a service member.
Okay.
Light yourself on fire in support of like a foreign conflict.
Yeah, and I agree, Blake.
I think that there's more.
I think that the, I mean, I'm very pro-Israel and I just, I think that the pro-Israel position and the conservative movement is weakening.
Do you see that?
Definitely it's weakening.
It's, you know, you'll see it last at the congressional level, I think.
You still see a bit of that.
Massey has said stuff critical of us just sending tons of money there, for example.
And that's where I think you see that going away first, is there's much more skepticism of sending as much money as we can to Israel.
We'll say moral support.
We'll say, you know, in a geostrategic sense, we support them.
But, you know, America has an open border.
America is broke.
Maybe we don't unthinkingly send $20 billion to them every time something seems up.
But you do see it even on the more extreme end, especially on Twitter.
You can find a lot of personalities who just are vocally, they just favor, they support Palestine in this.
Why do you think that is?
Honestly, people might get mad at me for saying this, but it is called thought crime.
I think a little bit of this is, there's two things I would say.
One, it's just genuine anti-Semitism.
I think it's a brain virus that gets inside people.
It's, you know, waxes and wanes, but it's just something that pops up a lot.
And so that manifests that way.
And then another thing is it's sort of like it's no secret in America that the left, that Democrats are sort of the, they're the regime, as we say.
They are the prestige ideology.
That is what academia is.
That is what elites are.
Yeah, the ruling class.
And so by comparison, the normie, it's lower status to be conservative.
That's just how it is.
I'm conservative.
It is lower status to be conservative.
You don't get as many perks, benefits, treated as well.
It's like solidarity with another group that is the lower status group.
That they're the Palestinians, they are poorer, they are weaker.
Wait, are you kicked around?
White rural voters see themselves in the Palestinian.
I don't think it's so much white rural voters in that aspect because of the MSNBC thing.
Yeah, no, are you getting that a MAGA voter in Ohio that feels disenfranchised from their government has like weird solidarity with the Palestinians?
Maybe not MAGA ones, but definitely on Twitter you can find it.
Okay, so like a young 26-year-old conservative blogger for, I mean, I agree.
There seems to be a splintering.
10 years ago, there was like unanimous support for Israel, right?
Tyler and the conservative movement.
It was, it wasn't even a question.
It's still like 95%.
You think you think it's still overwhelming?
Yeah, it's like 95%.
But Blake, you're seeing something different.
I mean, I see it among some influencers.
Yeah, well, it's like, you know, Jackson Hinkle is a guy who went on Tucker Carlson's show, and I believe he's a big Palestine supporter.
There's that guy, Keith Woods, I think.
I can tell you some guy in Ireland.
I can tell you why, though.
I mean, I think there, you know, there's going to, I still think it's like predominant, and that's why we're winning over Jewish voters like incredibly at incredible amounts.
But here's the difference is that you have the same educational problem that we have for all young conservatives that are going through this.
So they're finding themselves as libertarian conservatives.
They're anti-war now, which is a big deal, which is a really big deal when you talk about Israel.
I think there's going to be a natural place to be like, I don't want to send money to Israel.
I don't want to go to war.
But then also you overlay that with like what's like triggering in the background is that they've been taught to hate Israel because of these leftist professors and teachers.
And so people are going to figure out over time.
And ultimately, I think what's going to end up happening is that we're going to, as people age and they become more conservative and they become more family friendly, they also become more friendly to Israel because they understand that that's like a not such a bad thing to have friends in the Middle East, right?
Again, but most people are going to, we're so far detached from foreign policy, I think in modern America, where it's, it's totally different from the, even the 70s, 80s, and 90s where people had like some leftover foreign policy experiencing following World War II and Vietnam.
I think just to, you know, throw out there, I mean, there's a couple of things like that that are going all around the same time, but I think one of the biggest things is that we are living through the America first era now.
And we've spent two years on the right.
Blake, as you say, starting with Tucker, but also with sort of the Trump era going in and saying, how does this directly affect Americans?
How does this directly affect Americans?
And it wasn't, you know, during any of that time focused on Israel.
But now that Israel has come around, I think you're getting that same sentiment come up.
So that doesn't mean, I don't think it necessarily means that by and large people are becoming more anti-Israel.
I mean, obviously, this is a very vocal anti-Israel segment, but I just think in general, when it comes from a political sense, that you're hearing people, and Thomas Massey, I think, is reflecting that the most in Congress that are just sick of foreign wars.
For sure.
That is definitely you see the reduction in people.
You see the things.
Why does this have to do with America?
Why do we need to spend money there?
Why do we need to care about this?
I definitely see more of that.
But you do see on the edge a group that is just overtly pro-Palestine, anti-Israel.
And I think Andrew said in our chat here, he thinks some of it is a sense they've been hoodwinked.
Hoodwinked.
And on whatever.
Hoodwinked on Israel.
And I kind of get that, that there's a sense that you can support Israel, but there's a lot of stuff where if you hear enough about it, you start to feel like it's the classic, like, Google the USS Liberty thing.
Like, you know, people, if they've never heard of stuff, and sometimes they get oversold stuff.
I think there are some evangelicals who think Israel is like a Christian country or whatever.
And it gets, I mean, it's not without faults.
It's not without faults.
And, you know, you can learn stuff about it where if you've been fed what's almost this like propaganda level version of it, you feel like you've been lied to.
Yeah, and I just, I mean, I'm biased because I love Israel and I've visited twice and it changed my life.
And being able to go to the Garden of Gethsemane and see the Garden Tomb in the Old City and go to Capernaum and Hebron, I just, I mean, Jack, you share my love of Israel.
So I always have to preface this is that I just, I love the country.
I love it in its current form.
I was treated super well when I went there.
And I don't know if I'd have the same access to my precious holy sites if it was under Arab control.
Conspiracy Theories Explained 00:06:01
Yeah.
Now, this is a recent thing that has been in the news.
So, you know, Jonathan Pollard?
Well, yeah, he's the spy.
He was a spy.
Am I right?
He's a spy who sold U.S. secret, who spied on the U.S. on behalf of Israel.
And I believe, I think he got paid for it.
And there was some bad elements.
But we caught him and we imprisoned him for life.
But then we gave him clemency, released him, and then we let him move to Israel.
And now Jonathan Pollard is advocating for the Palestinians to be sent to the West.
And, you know, there was a large political lobby.
That just doesn't help.
It doesn't help things.
There's, I think there's often a sense, and like, you know, those op-eds that were running that we reacted to saying like, oh, the U.S. should take the Palestinians because that's the great thing to do.
I think there's a lot of sense.
People feel like we're dupes.
So, and I will say on that particular topic, that one really fired me.
We went hard at that one, really hard.
For sure.
And then I had people I really respect that come on our show about Israel call me and say, oh, no, that's not what the op-ed says.
And I'll say, please stop.
Yeah.
Right, Blake?
I mean, in clearest language, or they say, oh, it's not the government saying this.
Like, this is the foreign affairs minister saying that the West should take Palestinian refugees.
I think they backpedaled from that pretty quickly, though.
And what I told my friends in Israel and my friends that advocate for Israel, I said, if you start losing right-wing evangelicals on Israel on the like, you can't, like, you have to draw a line in this end.
No Palestinian refugees to the West.
Like, this is your base.
I remember that, you know, there was another thing where someone in the Knesset proposed a bill that I think was going to restrict or abolish Christian proselytization in Israel.
And then Netanyahu came out and says, yeah, no, we're scuttling that, guys.
You're not going to do that.
Yes.
And I want to, Israel and America does share a problem, which is that there's some sus activity in the intel agencies, right?
Is that I love Israel as far as it's a place for the Jewish people, access to holy sites.
I do believe that there's a place in God's plan for Israel.
We don't have to debate that.
But some of the Israel intel agencies, I don't think we have to be an apologist for.
And that's okay.
I mean, I don't apologize for the CIA.
Yeah, exactly.
For five eyes.
That's where people lose their minds.
They, you know, they read, oh, Israel did this intel op 30 years ago.
Bro, it was 30 years ago.
Get over it.
But it's also just, I mean, any modern country has pretty clandestine intel operations.
I mean, that's kind of whether it be the UK, Germany, Five Eyes, Australia, on your friends.
And then I feel the need to take a step back and remind people, okay, well, why did this war happen?
Did Israel just bomb Gaza?
No, this happened because the situation was more peaceful than ever.
And things were actually looking up.
They were having all these guest workers come out of Gaza.
They're making more money.
You can easily imagine a world where that leads to things getting better for everyone.
They already had the settlements go away.
So, you know, they have reasons to be thinking Israel might be a good actor here.
And then they just go shoot a ton of people, kidnap a ton of people out of nowhere.
One of the least expected massive terrorist attacks that we know of.
And that is why this happened.
And I think there is a real element.
This is some sort of brain virus that works on people.
It's like how people like pit bulls because they're the most violent dog that attacks people.
Yeah, have we done a pit bull?
Not yet.
We can talk about it another time.
But it's like the Palestinians.
Gaza is like the Hamas.
They're like the pit bull of global geopolitical.
I also, you know, this whole like, I have to say two things.
One is there is this kind of emphasis, like the Jews run the world conspiracy.
If that was, if that was true, why is the cause of Israel getting slaughtered online and in the media?
Like if that really was legit.
Now, and as Dennis Prager would say, I will lean on Dennis Prager, that yes, Jews do happen to do very, very well in certain industries, right?
And then the next question is, okay, so what?
What does that then mean?
But I also think it's just largely sloppy thinking of people that want to try to blame a group for some of their own problems.
Yeah.
And I just, I don't, I don't like it.
Yeah.
And it's like, oh man, Jews control the media and control all these things.
Well, there aren't that many of them.
And, you know, there's a billion Muslims in the world.
Why don't you guys get your get your act together?
Yeah, and it's also just like there's nuance too.
And I mean, I went, I was very clear, and I stand by these statements that some people in the Jewish community have funded the worst left-wing causes out there.
And then also the number one Republican donor the last 10 years is Sheldon Adelson, who gave like $150 million a year.
And he was, you know, as pro-Israel as it gets.
I mean, there's some nuance there.
I do want to, Jack, can you walk us through this tattoo?
Is it legit, Jack?
I find this, you know, we kind of everything else we can see on the internet.
But yeah, there's this guy.
So just to show, you know, and maybe like if you're, if you're watching Thought Crime and, you know, you're not someone who spends a lot of time on the internet, that he has become an absolute cause celeb online.
I'll say online, where you've got elements of, as Blake says, of some people who are super far to the right, other people that are in different pockets of the right, and then a lot of people on the left that are totally not only just on board with Aaron Bushnell,
but they are turning him into a sort of new George Floyd almost to the point where this guy, Vasaboy, on Instagram, has apparently gotten Aaron Bushnell's name tattooed along his jawline.
So there you can see Aaron Bushnell in, you know, it's not quite cursive, but quasi-cursive lettering.
There you go.
He has to live with that for the rest of his life.
Wellness Kits and Health 00:03:15
I think that's AJ McLean from Backstreet Boys.
Is that not?
No, AJ put on a lot more weight than that.
I don't know.
I'm not a Backstreet Boys listener.
Can't comment.
Tyler's going to be on his own on that one.
No, I'll show.
I mean, I think it's AJ McLean.
It's clearly AJ.
I mean, that looks like fresh ink to me.
I say that as well.
Did you sing along with Backstreet Boys songs back in the day?
Oh, man.
Like when the guys are trying to win over moms, okay?
When the guys win over moms.
We're going for the mom vote.
When the guy sings in the song, Am I Sexual?
Did you go like, yeah, along with all the backstory?
I don't know.
It looks like AJ McLean to me.
I just dropped in the chat.
Yeah, it looks very show me the meaning of being lonely.
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Evangelical Voter Numbers 00:15:05
Blake, what is our next topic?
Well, first, favorite comment.
This is hilarious.
People will be asking this dude if he tattooed his boyfriend's face, his name on his face for the rest of his life.
All right.
Our next topic.
Our next topic, Charlie, is the Veepstakes.
Ah, okay.
Trump's going to win the nomination.
Who's he going to pick as vice presidential pick?
Turns out there's been a lot of discussion of this lately.
The odds are shifting rapidly.
I'm super curious about that.
Then I'll tell you about my conversation with Trump.
Oh, that's amazing.
So the Betfair favorite right now, and this caught me really off guard looking it up just now.
Currently, the favorite on Betfair, which is a British betting site.
You can bet on this thing in the UK.
You're blocked if you try to visit in the U.S.
But they have the favorite right now as Christy Noam.
Five to one.
So still not strong odds.
Second place is Vivek.
And then Elise Stefanik.
And then the next three, this is another strange one.
Tim or no, Tim Scott, Nikki Haley, Ben Carson.
And then in seventh place, Tulsi Gabbard.
Hmm.
So top seven.
I'm not going to say any like name details, but the president has not made up his mind and very much open to a lot of different ideas.
And we had a real robust conversation about it.
And he wants to win.
And he's getting, I'll tell you right now, there are, here's what I can tell you.
He is being actively lobbied by like five or six different camps on this right now.
Be shocked if and the name the name I think that we should really push for to be in the mix as a finalist is JD Vance.
I think JD Vance is a finalist, right?
Tyler, do you think that would make sense?
Yeah, JD Vance is the top pick.
Um, you know, I think Elise Stefanik would be the first little person ever as VP.
So she's she's right.
How tall is she?
I think she's an LP.
She's not that little.
She's not.
I'm going to look it up.
I'm looking at a picture.
No, I just saw her the other day.
She's not that little.
She's not.
She's like, well, that's okay.
5'4 is a normal height.
Limb lengthening.
Yeah.
Tanya is Tanya is 5'3.
Yeah, but she's okay.
Well, I mean.
So you're saying Tanya should be vice president, Jack?
Is that what you're saying?
Yeah, but Tanya's ineligible in this country.
I just think, I just don't know if that's going to add much to the ticket.
I can't believe Jack's calling for men to override the Constitution.
I like JD because he's a very thoughtful communicator of the America First Agenda.
He's from a younger demo.
He's in his 30s still.
I have a plan.
The perfect plan.
Yes.
Is it the Ohio Switcheroo?
The Ohio Switcheroo.
Yes.
You get JD in as VP, and then you force DeWine to put in Vivek as senator.
That's the what if Dewine just says no, whatever.
No, wrong.
This is not great.
Nerf gun, Nerf gun.
He means Nerf gun.
Yeah, I mean, so, so just, you know, we asked our audience on YouTube over 124,000 people responded, and Vivek won with 67% of the vote of YouTube.
Now, mind you, that makes sense.
YouTube is a lot of young, right, right-wing Bitcoin, you know, men, kind of like crypto.
Oh, my goodness, Ripple is going to go to $10.
Like, no, it's actually still at $50.
I think I want Vivek to have a political job before he gets.
I love his president.
I think Vivek would be great.
I've liked what he's doing.
Do I think Vivek helps with independence?
I think he helps with a very particular demo, which is late 20, early 30-something, high IQ, professional, college-educated millennial men who listen to Rogan, listen to long-form podcasting.
That kind of RFK demo, I think that Vivek could help with.
Do I think Vivek helps with single women?
No.
Do I think he helps with suburban moms?
Probably not.
But I do think, and also old people love Vivek.
Like they love Vivek.
Now, the question is: do you need Vivek on a ticket to get that benefit?
I think he could be a great surrogate for the future.
Yeah, he could be a surrogate.
Yeah.
I guess the ship has sailed here.
I agree.
He could have been a cool guy with the RNC, some sort of role like that.
No, he'd be a great U.S. Senator.
Hopefully.
Because the problem is if you lose JD, you got to win.
That happens after the winning.
I understand, but you lose JD, though.
Like, then Vivek can become solid.
He'd be awesome.
Because he'd be front face, super popular.
We have no one cool in the U.S. Senate if he isn't cool.
We got Holly.
He's cool.
Yeah, but like even Holly isn't Vivek, right?
Holly.
That's true.
Vivek could do things because of the way that he's run his campaign thus far, where it's like he can literally be the front face of opposition for everything that the Democrats do and get away with it.
Do you think, Jack, that this VP selection will be the more important, I want to say the most, but one of the more important VP selections of our lifetime?
So, yes, and no.
I think that it's important because, but for not the reasons that we're talking about.
So I think it's important because Trump is terminal limited to one term.
Now, as far as we know, he doesn't, at least as of now, intend to declare himself president for life the way that MSNBC is telling us.
And of course, MSNBC has many things to say lately.
So we'll see.
But no, if you just look at it on paper, whoever gets the VP nod from Trump on this one while he's the odds-on favorite to become president is really launched into contention for being a potential two-term president.
So you could take a guy like JD Vance, who hasn't even been in office now for two years, the same way Barack Obama was only in office, also from the Midwest, by the way.
Well, not going to say Barack Obama is from the Midwest, but a Midwest state where he was senator.
That he, you know, had only been a senator for two years and then springboarded into the presidency.
This is a huge springboard for somebody going forward and really someone who's going to be that kind of that working, you know, that working horse, putting the plow to the wheel every single day for the party going forward, especially a young guy like JD, that'd be incredible.
But then as far as the actual electoral benefits of it, I just, I'm not seeing it.
I, I, you know, people have said, um, there's a lot of buzz around Tulsi Gabbard saying, oh, put on a, you know, she's female, she's non-white.
She's a former Democrat.
I got a drama.
Tulsi Gabbard is a bad idea to have a liberal who used to run the DNC as the vice president of the United States.
Well, here, to finish my thoughts real quick, it's, I don't think any of these ideas are going to pick up votes.
I don't think there's any, any of the names are going to change anyone's opinion of Donald Trump at this point.
It's baked in.
People know what it is.
They know who they're voting for.
No one is going to change their votes based on who Donald Trump picks as vice president.
This is why I did, I like, this is why I liked Tucker Carlson last fall.
I would talk about this.
I don't think it can work anymore.
I still, I like certain elements of it.
I'm worried he's increased potential downside with the Russia stuff that we've talked about.
Not so much the interview they were going to complain about, stuff like that anyway, but him going into the subway system and talking about how great it is.
That can get you open to attacks that are just annoying to deal with.
The reason I liked Tucker was it wasn't so much that you flip people's votes.
It's that you create a vibe, a narrative around the campaign.
It would make it, oh, you have Trump and you have Tucker.
They're both transgressive.
They both drive people you don't like absolutely insane.
They both are really, you know, they're credibly promising to do big changes and people can kind of trust them to execute on that.
And you give a whole energy to the campaign and that can drive your rallies, that drives the news coverage and it increases your turnout.
And it sort of subtly affects how people view the whole campaign.
And that I can see having a positive outcome.
But all this stuff that's just, you know, you're going down a checklist and like, okay, well, this candidate is not white, but this candidate is a woman.
This candidate's both, but they're not really from, you know, a swing state.
It's like a committee.
You're just grabbing biographical facts about them and trying to get the ideal Veep.
I don't think you get many votes that way.
And I dislike that that's what a lot of the candidates feel like to me.
Like, like Elise Stefanik.
Elise Stefanik, they like her because she's a woman, I think, and has said nice things.
A couple of things.
Elise is young.
She's a mother.
She's in leadership at the House Conference.
So that goes some way.
She has a legit scalp that has moved donors to really like her when she went after the Ivy League schools.
And she has leaned in and capitalized on that.
I was just in Palm Beach.
And to Elise's credit, she's a smart cookie, Tyler.
She gave a speech in front of donors and activists.
She mentioned turning point three or four times.
Wow.
We had one staffer there.
She, you know, she's a smart person.
She gets it.
She knows what she's doing.
She was like, I can't say, you know, we had Josh there and she was, she was all, we didn't ask her to.
This makes me uncomfortable.
Elise Stefanik was not a conservative member of the House.
And then she latched really hard onto Trump.
She is an ambitious woman.
She wants to rise as high as she is.
There's nothing wrong with ambition.
There is a lot that's wrong with ambition.
The Bible does have much to say condemning pride, and ambition is a type of pride.
That depends.
You could be ambitious for good purposes, but yes.
It is.
But what I would say, Stefan, this is just a read of mine.
Stephaniek doesn't give me a 100% trustworthy vibe.
Fair enough.
King David was ambitious.
He started.
And King David sent off the woman's husband to get murdered.
Not a great moment.
And she's never been hungry about coming to turning point events.
No, that's true.
I'm just what I'm saying is it is my ruling.
That's my ruler.
It's a data point.
And I've known Elise for a while.
Is I'm just saying that at that particular venue, she knew what she was doing by mentioning Turning Point a couple times, right?
And I was just saying, I was in Palm Beach last week, met with Trump.
The amount of people that were talking about Elise in donor circles was like a fever pitch.
It was like the Elise Stephanie fan club.
And I was like, you know, great, fine.
I don't actually, I don't share that like anti-Elise sentiment, but I'm open to it.
I will say on foreign policy, we're on different planets.
Yeah, she has relative, relative to other Veep picks.
I think it is important that a major consideration here be the person Trump picks will be has, frankly, a measurable chance of becoming president.
Trump is old, he could die, or be incapacitated.
And just also, he only has one term.
So whoever his Veep is, is very much an automatic favorite to be the next nominee should he win.
Can I add something into this?
Because we brought him up a few different times.
But truly, in every poll from 2015 to today, the most popular, likable Republican that exists in America is Ben Carson.
I'm a big Ben Carson believer.
I know there's a lot of nasal.
Not for any people say, oh, Charlie, you know, we get these emails, DEI.
It's not about any of that.
He's qualified.
No, no, he's ridiculous.
I don't even care about that.
I told you.
I don't even care about qualifications, skin color, anything.
He's likable.
Yes, he is.
Ben Carson, if the only thing that mattered was get, you know, to the end of November and you are the president-elect, I would love Ben Carson as a pick because all the reasons you say, I think he is likable.
I think he's ethical.
He's likable.
He's ethical.
He will, there's like zero downside to him.
Gives, you know, kind of more of a stable aura to things.
It's sort of, you know, Mike Pence without all the things that have discredited Mike Pence.
But I guess I have to imagine if Ben Carson is president, would he be able to execute on the agenda we want a U.S. president to execute?
And he just, I think he's a good guy.
I think he'd be great if he were a president in one of those countries where the president is a much more of a ceremonial, low activity leader.
But I guess this is going to say Ben Carson seems lower energy to me.
It's hard for me to envision him just like ruthlessly making sure that a MAGA agenda is carried out.
This is the number one thing that people say is that he's low energy, that he's not sleepy is a word.
Sleepy.
He's timid.
He's, he's, uh, but I actually think that that's the balance you need in a Trump run because, again, we have to get across the finish line here.
And Ben Carson, next to really anyone the Democrats could potentially put up for VP, is going to make the Republican Party look good.
No matter, no matter what.
I can't think of a single person that would be able to hurt us with a Ben Carson.
And again, this is just like you, then you can utilize Ben Carson surrogate-wise as a legitimate him not being VP.
Can you imagine him debating Kamala Harris?
Okay, but let's go to one number that I think is important.
Donald Trump, when he won the presidency in 1916, won 81% of evangelical voters.
In 2020, it was 77%.
Do you think Ben Carson could get us back to 81 or above?
Yes or no?
I don't see him as super important in the other room.
You know the grassroots.
I say, yes.
Jack, I know that you have some reservations of Ben Carson, but do you hear me out?
Evangelical, winning over evangelical voters in Wisconsin, Georgia.
Do you think we would get above Project 81, above 81, right?
With evangelical voters, because we had a four-point dip in 2020.
Well, so here's one of the issues, maybe, but here's one of the other issues there that could really come back around: does Ben Carson make abortion and now lately IVF more central to the campaign while President Trump has, as we saw from last week, I think during our show, he had a not a tweet, but a truth up about IVF at a time where he's trying to not make those central.
I think Ben Carson would have the same effect of turning out the left by making those issues central, which the Democrats won.
Okay, fair enough.
I do think, though, that he can neutralize some of the, and it's kind of bubbling up.
If you were a left-wing op, you would want all of a sudden the right to be talking about COVID again.
Like some of the kind of COVID skepticism that people have towards Trump.
Ben Carson was great on those sort of issues.
Do we have to worry that they'll, you know, did we, did we speak about it?
Did we speak about the pyramids thing?
I think it's hilarious.
I think it's funny, but do we worry he could get like they'll just try to smear him.
Well, not even Christian National.
They're just trying to say he's dumb because what he said about the pyramids.
They were built to store grain.
They just were not built to do that.
Rand Paul Credibility Issues 00:15:24
Hold on.
So they do give you a free grainery in the civilization game.
Is it true that there were no hieroglyphics found in any of the pyramids?
I feel like I heard that smear.
He said that the pyramid, and I don't hold to this view.
He said they were built by Joseph to store grain.
Did I say David?
Sorry.
Yeah, Thompson.
And I mean, look, Ben Carson is objectively a genius.
You could be a genius and believe in a couple things that might be unsubstantiated.
I mean, you don't separate conjoined twins and then you call him like, oh, he's a moron.
Can I also say something that's literal brainstorming?
Ben Carson is the only one out of this group that we can confidently say will not likely run for president in 2028.
So that's the question: is do we want, Jack?
I'll throw this to you.
Do we want an heir apparent or do we want kind of a bridge placeholder?
Do we want someone that is going to try to be a George H.W. Bush?
Or do we want someone that's like, I'm serving one term as VP?
This is great.
So, yeah, this has been my vote from the start, going all the back to 2022 on this question.
It's something that's a name that nobody has mentioned yet.
And it's more of a credibility kind of thing where Trump is really making this.
And ABC actually had this as a headline at one point: that Trump's value proposition forge going into 2024 is: I will be your weapon against the federal government.
And, you know, of course, every time I post that, it gets a ton of retweets.
People love it.
And I've actually said, you know, why don't you get a guy who wants to go after the federal government in a way that we've never seen before and isn't concerned at all with running for president again and pick a guy who can actually go to work during the administration, not just someone who can, you know, sort of be a placeholder, someone who fits the, you know, the checklist like Blake was talking about, or someone who is just trying to, just trying to spend all this time being the heir apparent.
I say pick somebody like Iran Paul.
I say Rand Paul is sitting right there.
There's no one with more credibility against foreign wars.
There's no one with more credibility against the federal government.
You turn him loose on the NIH, turn him loose on the Intel community.
You turn him loose on the 702 and the wireless wiretapping, the Pfizer system.
There's your guy right there.
And imagine what kind of administration you would have with that sort of energy being involved.
Yeah.
Yeah, and I think that in a multi-candidate race, I think we have to be careful not to try to make the VP the 2028 era parent, right, Tyler?
I think that regardless of what happens, we need a very robust 2028 primary that doesn't have like the incumbency of the VP.
Like that's way too consequential.
So from Trump's calculus, Tyler.
But you'll have that either way.
Yeah, but not if you have like kind of the most, I don't think Ben Carson is going to, maybe I'm wrong.
Okay, yeah, right.
Ben, probably not.
Right.
But if you have JD Vance, JD Vance would definitely look at that as like, I am the heir to the MAGA throne, right?
Whether that's Trump's intent or not, right?
And so these are all things that Trump has to consider.
So Tyler, who would be the worst pick?
Not the worst person.
They speak at our events.
I'm talking about who could potentially do the most damage because we saw with McCain Palin in 2008 that if you don't pick, and I like Sarah Palin a lot, it just wasn't a good pick.
You know, I think the worst pick he could make is Joe Biden.
That would be a bad choice.
I don't think he should pick Joe Biden to be his V. Out of the ones being considered that are on like the longer short list, you know, obviously the conversation is like, don't pick Nikki Haley, right?
So like Nikki Haley would ultimately result in this becoming a massive problem for the party in 2028, especially if she's smart, which she hasn't proven she is, to act MAGA for four years, which she probably couldn't contain herself to do.
But outside of that, I think that's part of the reason why a lot of people have issues with Lisa Stefanik, because they just don't trust her.
And anyone in servers, you inherently.
Yeah, all of those people are there.
So it's like, you want kind of a new face, which is part of the reason why I think Tulsi is being considered.
Part of the reason, I mean, and I'll remind people too, Christy Noam was one of the worst voters in Congress as a Republican.
Yeah, she was.
And I'll just say this from my point.
I'm not going to say this for Charlie or speaking on behalf of the children.
And I get along with Christy.
I've known her for a while.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's been a really good governor.
I don't know if I put her in the great category, but a good governor.
The trans thing was no good.
Yeah.
A good governor.
Even she was one of the worst congressmen that we had.
And even on COVID, which is the main reason she rose so quickly, it's just that the South Dakota legislature didn't pass anything.
Well, it's also that the state is socially distanced by default.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, I left and half the population was gone.
No, only one was left who was.
It takes 45 minutes to find your neighbor.
Yeah.
On JD Vance, I like Vance.
You like Vance.
All of us here love Vance.
He's great to us.
Sounds like Trump picked.
Is Vance a great politician?
Because all I'll say is...
He's a great person.
I'm sure he is.
I don't know.
And I have friends of mine who worked with him.
They all say positive things.
Great.
But he ran in Ohio and he didn't crush the Ohio primary.
It was a pretty tough primary.
I can't remember who he was, that guy he was running against, but it was a tough primary.
He needed some help with Trump to get over the hump.
And so do we think that he will add a lot to the ticket VEP-wise?
I think that JD, I mean, look, every single one of these people adds something.
I think JD is far smoother with the media than we give him credit for.
JD is a true believer.
He is the closest that he, that if there was someone like who's, who's more in the mold of what Turning Point believes, JD is as close as we get in like American government.
I mean, seriously.
Yeah.
He showed us some real bona fides in Munich, Germany at that conference while being contrarian and being very agreeable in the way he did it, right?
He also, he's incredibly polished.
He has a high IQ.
He went to Yale, which, you know, we don't necessarily like, but he, he, but I'm saying, though, that he has a law degree from Yale, served in the military, checks a lot of those boxes, serves in the heartland.
But I will go back to the age.
You have Cammy, Joe Biden, Trump, and you have just a younger face.
I do think that if there was a pick, I would think less in terms of, oh, black voter or female, and more in terms of younger and older contrast.
That's actually, I think that actually strikes more of a age is good.
What I like is, like I said with Tucker, narrative.
Who is strengthening the themes that make a person want to vote for Trump?
I love JD a lot.
The media does.
That they do.
And I can just see, and you know, you can see it pushing their buttons where they'll just like, they won't be able to help themselves and they'll come out and they'll say, two white men on a ticket.
What is this?
A year where America was still a great country.
Well, and don't forget that JD Vance also is somebody who has a ton of name ID because of the book, because of the Netflix movie, and the fact that I believe, which I know we're going to be talking about in a minute, he represents the white roll rage.
Well, and think about this too.
And here's the other point that's really important.
So let's look at the legit.
So Charlie asked the question, who's okay, basically, right?
In my book, who's okay is Ben Carson, JD Vance, Byron Donalds, and throw Vivek in there, but I don't think Vivek has a real shot.
So, but let's throw Vivek in there.
Here's the reason why I agree with a lot of people that the slow thing to not pugnacious enough thing on the front with Ben Carson, just slightly under that.
So if you had to break it down, I think Byron is a better pick than Tim Scott because Tim Scott gives you what Charlie said is like you've got Chamber of Commerce influenced Stephonic-ish toy mold.
So you have Elise, you have Tim, you have, you know, really bad former congresswoman, Chrissy Noam, a decent governor, Chrissy Noam, that really doesn't add anything to you.
So it comes down to me.
It's like, okay, JD and Byron, both similar ages.
That's right.
Young.
That's why Don Byron.
About my age.
They're a little older, I think.
The thing with Byron is you would need.
Let me just say this on Byron.
So then the question then becomes, which is less tricky out of the two?
Which, like, what gives you more?
I like, just from a marketing standpoint, Trump Vance says a lot like Trump Pence.
It's real easy.
But here's more important.
Or the Donalds.
You have the Donald.
And then Charlie said you have the Donalds.
So you have Trump, you have Trump Vance, replacing Trump Pence, and then you have the Donalds.
So Donald Trump and Byron Donalds.
No, you know what you do with that, by the way.
I was just going to say, here's the difference because I'm taking forever to get to us.
JD speaks Midwest.
We have to win Wisconsin.
We have to win Michigan.
He's right over the border.
He's the only, he makes the most sense.
That is why I do bring up the politician question is because Vance did win.
I agree.
He is totally turning point.
I agree with Brad convincingly.
Won by eight points.
Well, he won by eight points.
That's a good candidate in the context of a good candidate.
He came out of nowhere.
It was an open seat with a retiring Republican in a year where we didn't get the red wave, but John Brian's a good candidate, though.
He had a lot of money.
He's the Russ Bell.
Name ID.
That wasn't a two or three point race.
I'm just making six or eight points.
Well, I guess what I mean is.
He underperformed Trump, but still, I mean.
So let me check how Ohio did.
JD was he won by the like 11 and 20.
That's what I mean.
So Trump won Ohio also by eight in 2020.
Can I 2020 22 was more in our favor overall because we won the House.
And yet, so if Vance only won by eight, he underperformed Trump in Ohio.
Against a very good candidate who was an incumbent congressman who had a district to run and he raised a lot of money.
Massive, he was like the most popular democracy.
Tim Ryan was like, he was running for Ryan Randwell for sure.
I guess I'm just saying if we're looking at this as he has special political appeal, I'm not sure that Vance has proven he's really dominant.
But as a contrast, is that what you want?
We've mentioned Ron Johnson several times.
What Ron Johnson has done in Wisconsin is a lot more impressive than what Vance did in Ohio.
So Ron Johnson is not in the running for a couple of reasons.
Number one, they don't think the way we do about Wisconsin.
Number two, you lose a Senate seat.
Like you just, you lose a Senate seat.
And we learned the lesson from Alabama with bad.
You don't do that.
Like, that's a bad idea.
Don't make your VP or a cabinet secretary where you lose a Senate seat.
I love the Johnson idea.
I would be open to it.
I just think JD is a better pick because, again, Ron can help you.
I think you make Ron the ultimate surrogate in Wisconsin.
You have to make him chairman of the Trump campaign for Wisconsin.
Totally.
You have to make him chairman of the Trump campaign for co-chair of the John campaign.
Yeah, I mean, literally, Ron Johnson's that important.
So Byron Donalds, you had a concern.
Is it that they're both from the same state, Blake?
So they're both from Florida.
So I mentioned that to President Trump.
I was like, you know, he's going to have to get a condo in Houston.
He's like, that's a good point.
And so how would that work with his congressional seat?
Would he have to give up his community?
He would because you have to be a resident of the state you represent.
You don't have to be in the district.
You have to be in the state.
Yes.
So then if he were to get a condom.
Trump would have to move or you'd have to resign.
Trump will not move.
That's exactly what I mean.
It's just, it's not in Trump's character to even though he has all these properties.
So then Byron would move to Houston or like to Georgia and lose his congressional seat.
He would have to, I believe he would have to resign.
For us, shrinking our House majority and him losing a very popular Collier County deep red seat.
I think Trump would just take residency in New Jersey.
No, I don't at all.
I suppose he's enjoying paying 0% tax and like he's got all of his businesses in Florida.
I don't think that's going to happen at all.
Oh, with the truth.
The truth money.
With the truth deal?
He wants to pay 11% New Jersey income tax with the true social debt.
The truth money keeps him in Florida.
The truth is about the D-Spec and is supposed to like, he's got like make $4 billion.
He wants to have 0% income tax.
Now, maybe Trump goes to Vegas for his Trump hotel there.
I will admit, this annoys me.
This annoys me a little bit.
0% income tax.
It annoys me a little bit that Trump could easily move.
He could still sit in Mar-a-Lago as much as he wants.
It would be easy for him to do it given the range and the fact that he's not representing anywhere, but it's just not in his character to do that pain in the butt thing.
Trump will not move out of Florida.
He just won't move out of Florida.
He didn't live in Florida when he ran last year.
Byron would have to forsake his House seat, which would then further shrink our House majority.
It's a bad idea.
Yeah, I don't know.
And specifically, he would have to give it up, I believe, while running because he'd have to.
I don't think we touched on this.
Well, that's an interesting question.
Like, Ron Johnson, at least, he doesn't have to quit for the chat, just so everybody has.
No, no, I think it's while he's running, Blake.
You can't be president and vice president coming from the same state.
Yeah, so that means that he has to get all this sorted out before the election.
Well, I'm saying Ron Johnson wouldn't.
Ron Johnson could just run on the Spanish.
Byron would have to like buy a condo in Texas.
Exactly.
And everyone knows it's the 12th Amendment, right, to the Constitution, if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah, but I mean, but they're not worried about that because they can replace Byron with anybody because of DeSantis.
Yeah, but, well, first of all, it's not an appointment, right?
It's a special election, usually.
It's a governor of the Senate seats.
Oh, I guess it would be because it would be.
12th Amendment, yes.
Well, it might be too close to the election.
So it would be...
Oh, no, I guess they would have to do a special election.
Yeah, they have to do a special.
It would be a mess.
It would create a mess.
And by the way, our House majority is like Florida.
The funny thing is, by the way, the exact specifics are it's not that you can't have a president and vice president from the same state.
It's that electors cannot cast their president or vice president.
Exactly.
So in theory, we could win in a landslide.
Let's like not even hear this.
Like we finally turned Florida into a deep red state and we're finding a way to like royally put this into jeopardy.
That's a bad idea.
Now, I guess what you could do is, in theory, you could really stretch the limits of this.
You could run.
If you get the landslide, it doesn't matter.
And then if it is close enough after the election, but before the Electoral College meets, you quickly have Byron, Donaldson.
They would sue and they would say that the electors were actually elected under the pretenses that they were in the same state.
Ooh, wow.
Right.
We're getting in layers like Lauren.
Lord tried to file that lawsuit.
Oh, yeah.
Let's not give them any rope here.
No, but I like that.
Wait, are you saying that they wouldn't?
No, they wouldn't certify.
They would not certify.
The Democrats would not live up to the rules they play for us.
So in closing here, we've gotten almost nowhere on the Veep stakes.
Voting to End Democracy 00:13:16
So Jack, all that being said, who do you like?
Rand Paul.
Okay.
That's not going to happen.
So Rand Paul.
It's not going to happen.
I think it's interesting, but he's not in the running.
By the way, Trump and Rand Paul are like kind of like arguing right now.
Okay.
Let's each pick one.
Of the top seven, we'll repeat the top seven and we'll each pick one from that.
How about?
So the top seven that we have are Noam, Donalds, Gabbard, Tim Scott, Vivek, DeSantis.
Did I miss one there?
So if I were to say who I think Trump just kind of based on everything, I think that Elise Byron and Tim Scott and JD seem to have the most chatter in Trump world.
Okay.
Tim Scott would be such a mistake.
So tell us why.
Look, we call him all the time the Chamber of Consultants.
Tim Scott, you saw how much gravitas he had in the run for president.
Nobody likes him.
He basically is just like, I look at Tim Scott, I just see him just as like a smiling guy, just like standing by, but he is literally a puppet of the Chamber of Commerce.
He is so tight.
Well, we don't like that because the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is going to have this is if you want to set up like an H.W. Bush situation, again, by no means do I think Tim Scott is nearly the political animal that H.W. Bush was.
That's part of the reason.
That's part of the reason why.
He wouldn't assume control of the CIA.
But it's more, it's, yeah, right.
He just wouldn't.
The former chair of the RNC turn, you know, CIA had.
So I mean, he's not that guy, but he is a puppet for the types of people who are like H.W. Bush, and that's bad enough.
And so you just got to say no to that.
And personally, that's why I kind of have questions about Chrissy Noam.
Personally, that's why I have questions about Elise Devonik.
Personally, that's why I have questions about many of these other picks.
So when it comes down to it, that's why Byron is probably a little bit arm's length from all that stuff.
JD for sure is.
He's his own man.
We've known him.
He's his own guy.
And yeah, that's where we're at.
I just feel for the reasons people want to pick Tim Scott, you should just pick either Donalds or Carson instead.
Okay.
You mean for we want a black I think?
I don't think we should kid ourselves.
That is a major reason all three of those guys are being considered.
And of those three, I think Tim Scott has the most strikes against him.
The biggest strike is South Carolina can't be trusted.
There's something wrong with it.
I'm sorry to any listeners in South Carolina.
Something's off.
It does have a bad track record in modern politics.
It doesn't have, or in older politics, it didn't have the best track record.
John C. Calhoun.
Secession.
Yeah, I mean, and the authorship of the defense of slavery.
I actually think there's another name that's that's wrong.
Tell us, yeah, no, let's go to wild off-the-wall name.
We all have to not Jack kind of already did this, Ram Paul.
Give us an off-the-wall name.
So, there's a congressman in Georgia who we really like a lot named Mike Collins, who is like truck driver, born and bred, uh, businessman.
He's he's like a perfect look.
He's hilarious.
He looks like, yeah, he looks like he came out of a movie.
He's literally the greatest guy, and he comes to all of our events.
He should, he like, he attends as like an attendee for our stuff, like just loves everything.
Have you, if you're not following Mike Collins, you need to start following Mike Collins today.
He is like, he is, in my opinion, the greatest congressman out of Georgia.
He's a little bit low-key.
He posts a lot of funny memes on Twitter, but he's smart.
He's a businessman.
He's a regular guy.
And he's from a state that we have to win long term, right?
So, like, this is when it comes down to the Ron Johnson conversation.
Like, how about we put up, again, likable people who are normal that people connect with.
That would be really fantastic.
Ron Johnson is really not like a normal guy.
He's, you know, a very wealthy dude that comes from a lot of big background, but he's super likable in Wisconsin, right?
That's great.
Ben Carson, super likable.
I think JD Vance is actually really likable.
Mike Collins, really likable.
Blake, an unusual pick before we move on.
An unusual one.
You know, the weird one that popped into my head that would be a terrible idea.
So, but you've put me on the spot.
Clarence Thomas.
We would lose a Supreme Court seat.
Well, only if you win.
No, he's got to retire anyway if we win.
No, If we can win, we need Clarence.
He doesn't need to quit until you win.
No, we need Clarence on the court.
Plus, by the way, we already went through the whole Florida thing, so I won't rehash that.
But Ana Polina, Anna Polina being a VP pick would drive the left crazy, too.
Is she?
So the other ones that are in contention Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
The other one that is going to surprise people, if you really want to force the border issue and raise record money, is Greg Abbott.
I'm not a big Abbott fan, but can get a lot of booze from the Texas.
I would have Abbott over the past.
We would lose votes in Texas.
I would do Greg Abbott over Tim Scott.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
All right.
Well, then we appreciate that.
By the way, I got asked by media a couple of times about coming out, you know, forcefully against Tim Scott recently.
And, you know, not forcefully, I guess I would just say is probably not the best word, but just openly against Tim Scott being on the pick.
And I said, look, I'm just going to say it.
Tim Scott's a neocon.
He's a nice guy.
He's a friendly guy.
I think he's probably not a bad guy in any way, but he's a neocon.
He's full-throated for endless wars all over the place on foreign policy.
He is indistinguishable from Nikki Haley, and I don't think he would be a good pick based on policy.
Let's go to the next, let's go to the next topic.
The next topic is crucial to our discussion of the vice president and everything else.
It is white rural rage.
We have to play the tape.
So we have to play the tape.
Do we have it, Ryan?
The tape?
Because I think that this is being misunderstood a little bit.
The way that on social media, they're saying, oh my goodness, MSNC panelists called, you know, no, they wrote a book about it.
That's what this is that.
That's the key.
This is a published book where they have a, these are professors.
This, you know, I don't know if these guys have a romantic relationship or something, but they're sitting awfully close to it.
It's got the Manchin Romney thing going.
And even Mika was a little taken back by this guy.
Even Mika was like, all right, that's a little too hard.
Play cut 120.
White rural rage, the threat to american democracy.
And Tom, we'll start with you.
Why are white rural voters a threat to democracy at this point?
I mean, we lay out the fourfold interconnected threat that white rural voters pose to the country.
First of all, and we show 30 polls and national studies to demonstrate this.
We provide the receipts in chapter six.
They're the most racist, xenophobic, anti-immigrant, anti-gay geodemographic group in the country.
Second, they're the most conspiracist group.
QAnon support and subscribers, election denialism, COVID denialism and scientific skepticism, Obama burderism.
Third, anti-democratic sentiments.
They don't believe in an independent press, free speech.
They're most likely to say the president should be able to act unilaterally without any checks from Congress or the courts or the bureaucracy.
They're also the most strongly white nationalist and white Christian nationalists.
And fourth, they are most likely to excuse or justify violence as an acceptable alternative to peaceful public dissipation.
Holy cow.
You haven't seen that clip.
I hadn't seen the clip.
Like that is.
Oh my.
So Jack, I have to riff, please.
Well, I don't know if you, yeah, I mean, I'm sure everyone knows and the whole world knows that MSNBC has been going after me for basically a week straight saying that I'm going to end democracy, that I'm the illegal despot and all this crazy stuff out of the world.
And then MSNBC, including Mika, by the way, and she goes, and this isn't, she has to put this in context too.
These people, Mika and Rachel Maddow and Joy Reed and all of them.
And remember, I have to be nice, so I have to be nice because it's led.
That they spent all day yesterday freaking out that Trump is going to be allowed on the ballot by the Supreme Court and saying it's the end of democracy that people are allowed to vote.
And then here are two guys who are very, very upset that American citizens are going to vote in an election, but at the same time, they're screaming at like make it make sense.
Somebody please just make it make sense.
No, I mean, I joked in the chat here.
I said, do they want Pinal County to vote 90% Trump?
I mean, which is.
Oh, man.
There are places already.
I wonder if we can get like Sheridan County, where my grandparents live to get to 95%.
Now, admittedly, not.
Can we get copies of this book?
And like, I already ordered this.
It's funny, Jack.
I actually ordered it today.
You're going to make me read this book, aren't you?
100%.
And you're going to do a book summary on it.
Oh, boy.
I'm not going to read that crap.
I'm just going to show it up on TV to get people fired up.
So, but white rural rage is the title.
They say white rural voters are the most racist, most conspiracy against immigrants.
Like, yeah, they should be against illegal foreigners.
Let's really dig into this because I'm actually really angry now.
First of all, most conspiracist.
Like, okay, first of all, what are they even defining as a conspiracy?
Because I think all of these people believe in the biggest conspiracy theory in America, which is systemic racism, where racism is like the force.
It's a miasma that like is the reason that all the schools in Baltimore are bad because all of the teachers there are secretly Klansmen at night.
Like they all believe that crap.
They believe all of the police departments that are blacker than any other institution in the United States.
Like, oh, the NYPD is 30% black or whatever, but they're all systematically racist.
The Detroit Police Department, they're all racist.
They all believe that crap.
That's a conspiracy theory, but oh, it doesn't count.
Oh, they're against the freedom of the press.
You guys are against the freedom of the press.
You guys flip out anytime the press doesn't all believe the exact same things.
Oh, they're against immigration.
So what?
If a majority of people want less immigration, which polling shows they do, that is in fact the democratic position.
Small D democracy.
The people want to vote for less immigration.
You're the one saying they can't.
Who's against democracy?
Well, to be fair, Jack is play cut 130.
So now, my dear friends, I will reveal my plan of attack to you.
We will begin with ending paper ballots and ending election day.
We will remove all voter ID and all citizenship requirements for voting.
We will replace in-person voting with low-integrity mail-in options and Dropboxes.
We're going to arrest the opposition leader four times.
We'll flood the nation with millions of invaders who vote the way we want, release violent criminals into the cities, disarm the populace, remove religion from the public square.
I'm going to do it all and you can't stop me.
Folks, this is their democracy.
This is the regime that we will overturn.
So now, my dear friends, I will reveal my plan of attack.
Okay, Jack.
It's burning in.
That was a good, that's good, but they buried the lead because the phrase that I used that triggered all of them was that I said, I'm going to end democracy.
I'm going to overthrow democracy.
And I said, and it's funny because I'm like laughing in the clip.
And I go, that's right.
You know, we didn't quite get all the way there on Jan 6, folks.
We still got a little bit of democracy left.
So we got to stamp it out in the next election.
Which, you know, you'd think that people would get the irony of that statement that we're voting to end democracy.
But no, the left just isn't with that.
And then so what I go on to do is list all of the things that are currently being done.
Remember, again, we have a guy who's running for president right now, who's leading in, I think, the majority of all the polls, and certainly in all the swing states.
So the guy who's currently lead in the lead for the presidency of the United States that the entire media is championing to be stricken from the very ballot itself.
And we're basically being told now, I guess, based on this book that we're talking about, that people shouldn't even be allowed to vote if you're white, if you're rural.
Is there going to be a test?
I don't know, Blake, maybe you could design some kind of test to determine whether or not someone is a ruralite and if they would be allowed to vote or not based on their rural nicity.
No, the funny part is they want to run elections like Putin runs elections.
They have all this, they have all this animosity against Putin.
Trump Stricken from Ballot 00:06:26
No, it's envy, really.
It's envy for envy.
It's like, well, they only want Putin envy.
Well, we only want Moscow to vote, okay?
And we don't want any opponents.
Is that the whole argument that has an election coming up?
Yeah, just all of this is the biggest projection in the universe.
The Atlantic just ran an article the other day by Russell Berman, whoever that is.
I have it on my screen if you guys want to bring it up.
How Democrats could disqualify Trump if the Supreme Court doesn't.
Without clear guidance from the court, House Democrats suggest they might not certify a Trump win on January 6th.
So we already have them laying the groundwork.
Okay, well, first of all, we try to have courts take Trump off the ballot.
Then we're going to go to the Supreme Court, have them try to keep Trump off the ballot.
If the Supreme Court doesn't keep Trump off the ballot, we can have Congress go and not let him win.
And in fact, even three years ago, we had another article in the Atlantic saying it might be Kamala Harris's job to stop the steal in 2024, where they were literally just laying the groundwork to say Kamala Harris should do what some people wanted Mike Pence to do on January 6th.
It's all the biggest projection in the universe.
They want to literally take the opposition candidate off the ballot and they're holding, they're throwing this temper tantrum.
What else did they say in that video?
They said in the video, oh, they're the people who believe the most.
It was something like violent political action or whatever.
Yeah.
In 2020, I don't think anyone burned down a drugstore in McCluskey, North Dakota.
A lot of people burned down their drugstore in Milwaukee, in Minneapolis, in St. Louis.
They tried to do it in Atlanta, and actually the police stopped them.
Good for them.
But they did.
These people all do.
They view riots as a way of achieving political change.
They're the ones who go out and say, well, MLK told us that riot is a language of the unheard.
They're the ones who said, oh, all of the lockdowns are canceled for as long as we need to have giant marches against racial justice.
They're the ones who organized lawsuits against cities to get multi-million dollar payouts to rioters after all this stuff happened.
These people are just full of crap.
And why are they doing it, Blake?
Because a book like this, actually, every time now I go do a Lincoln Reagan Day dinner in rural America, I'm going to bring up this book and be like, they hate you.
I mean, this is a way where we get to 90, 95%.
And by the way, I'm not kidding, right, Tyler?
If we get to like 90% in Mojave County, or if we get to like, you know, I don't know, 88% in some of these rurals, you could start to forgive some of the losses and some of the excerpts.
Am I right?
Well, and that's like in Wickenburg, for example.
If there's actually a story to be told about America, if you look, and this is the most interesting thing that nobody's talking about, is how a lot of these rural places in America have gone from moderately blue to deep, deep red.
Deep red.
Deep red.
And this is including Iowa.
This is part of the story of Iowa and the outskirts of Iowa.
This is parts of Georgia that we're talking about is there is animosity that's brewing there.
And don't forget, you in COVID had the one negative impact that happened during COVID was you had a lot of semi-liberals move out to the rurals and those rural areas didn't get more blue.
A lot of these places became more red.
And so, I mean, that's that's something that's very scary for them.
They're kind of setting the table for themselves to lose big time.
Tavapai County, for example, which is growing.
It's grown since 2008.
Significantly.
Prescott, Prescott Valley.
If we do two points better in Yavapai, what does that mean?
Oh, yeah.
And that's 20,000, 30,000 votes.
But that's the reason why they want to suppress the vote, right?
With a lot of this.
But writing books like this does.
Wait, wait, wait, guys, guys, guys.
So, so super, super in the weeds, you know, Yavapai Pinal, et cetera.
Charlie, for the people that are kind of like, you know, on the other side of the country that have no idea what those places are, these rural counties, the exurb suburbs, what exactly 30,000-foot view are you talking about is so important if we drive out these low-propensity voters?
Yeah, and Tyler knows it even better than I do.
I mean, as it goes, if you win Maricopa by one vote, you win the entire state.
And that's our goal at Turning Point Action.
However, you look at some of these areas in Arizona.
Prescott, I think, is the second or third largest city in the state, right, Tyler?
I mean, it's, and Prescott is in Yavapai County.
No, it's, it's not nearly that big, but the fastest rate of growth.
Oh, for fastest rate.
Not population.
Yeah, it's, it's up there.
I mean, a lot of these rural places, I mean, this is the same as happening in Idaho, it's happening in Utah.
If we can run up the score in these areas.
Well, that's why it's important for us to prepare the table to make sure that we maintain these places so that, I mean, look, the way that they want to manipulate the vote in a lot of these places, they want to build cities up high and be able to control people close together.
So even some of these places that are growing, we want to make sure people have access to land, that they can move out, they can have their own stuff.
That's the way that you keep these things.
But when people learn the American dream, what is the American dream?
I always talk with people about this.
Kids, property.
It's property.
At the end of the day, it's property.
It's owning stuff.
When you take that away from people, you're in despotism.
And that is, when people unlock that, they become more conservative organically, naturally.
So just so we know, Prescott has grown by 7% since 2020.
That's big.
I actually do want to push back here.
Overall, rural America is shrinking.
A lot of this rage, a lot of this hatred is hatred of like this remnant group in America, the rump traditional American population.
Because if you went back to 1950 or 1920 or whatever, the vast majority of Americans would resemble these rage-filled white rural people.
That would have been the vast majority of the voters.
And frankly, America was a pretty successful and great country then.
And these people have rebelled against this in a large way.
There are a few cities like Prescott that are growing, but if you look at a map of counties.
Arizona and, you know, Flagstaff that are more resourceful.
There's a few.
And Arizona is a growing state generally.
So it's just the cup overflowing.
The people they're attacking are not Ohio, Wisconsin.
Yeah, you see Southeast Ohio is not seeing a 7% population growth like Prescott.
They might be seeing a 10% population decline.
Rural Rage Against America 00:06:21
Correct.
And these are the people they're really singling out for hatred.
And what, frankly, it's said, but probably not said enough is it really the way they despise they being the left-wing regime elites, whatever, the way they despise rural white people, it is, it functions at least in the same way you imagine other types of like racism functioning, even if it's white against white, where they actually do just, they hate them.
They hate the group.
They hate the group.
They hate them in very, in ways you could not get away with against other groups.
Any group.
Like the way you can just casually make a joke about people in Alabama, they have sex with their cousins and they're all inbred.
You can casually make that joke in all sorts of places.
And you can't, for example, you can't casually make that joke about people from Somalia or Pakistan where it's actually a problem that they marry their cousins a lot.
Correct.
And you can potentially do it while in conversation.
Yeah.
And you can do caricatures of them the way you can't do caricatures of other people.
Like it's almost like they are an outlet that the left is allowed to take their only regime accepted punching bag.
Exactly.
They are a punching bag.
And especially that you can have a mean-spirited punching bag.
It's also just how sinister this is.
These people have like very little money.
Like they're very decent.
I mean, you know what I mean?
If like there was a group to hate, like you hate Earl, who lives in like Billings, Montana, and hunts and fishes and like has two kids and is a welder and earns $65,000 a year.
That's who we hate.
We hate the guy that goes to church and like drives a pickup truck and this is like wildly overweight.
Like we hate him.
This is even more wild than this.
I want to get no jack, but I mean I want to get this is an article.
There's an article that came out in 2021 that really illustrates how deranged this is.
There's, it was in the LA Times in 2021.
It was by a woman named Virginia Hefferman.
And let's look her up.
It's like the article opens this way.
Oh, heck no.
The Trumpites next door to our pandemic getaway who seem as devoted to the ex-president as you can get without being Q fans just plowed our driveway without being asked and did a great job.
So this woman flees a city being run under the, you know, the policy she wants of you can't go outside or do anything.
So she flees from her own policies to go to MAGA country because she actually likes living there more.
And then this is an entire, this like long article complaining about the horribleness of people who literally went out of their way to help her for free by just plowing her driveway because people do that in nice parts of America.
And she's frightening.
Well, but they voted for the wrong person.
They're bad people.
And this happens all the time.
You run into, you can find all these bizarre think pieces.
What should I do about all of like my Trump neighbors or my Trump family members, my parents who raised me and clothed me and fed me and cared for me and maybe paid for my college?
Should I break off contact with them because they voted for Trump?
They would say yes.
Yeah.
They'd run into this all the time.
Every single year, we have to get guidebooks about how to, you know, lecture your family at Thanksgiving.
Correct.
It's, I said this before, Blake.
And is it an exaggeration?
Where they, if they could, they would drone white rural America.
Oh, absolutely.
He said in that clip that they're a threat to the country.
He's talking to us like we're out when the Bundy Ranch people took over the, I can't remember the name, that place in Nevada, I believe it was.
You could find people on Twitter saying, why don't they drone them?
Drone them.
These people literally will do that sort of thing.
You know, the future, there's this dark future where we have some like this kind of like emotional woman at the FBI sobbing while she hits the button to fire the drone missile, saying, You made me do this, and then blowing up their house.
And yes, seriously.
Yeah.
I mean, these are the people who did Waco.
And it's not even that I like the guy who David Kerr.
Yeah, I don't know.
David Koresh, David Branch Davidians.
But think about the context of that where they wanted to arrest this guy.
And Janet Reno.
And instead of just arresting him when he went to a Walmart, because he did leave all the time, he went for runs every morning.
They had to do this macho thing to assault it.
And then it didn't work out.
And they're like, oh, well, better besiege it.
Better let the thing burn down.
Better spray it with gunfire.
Better kill all the children who are inside.
Why do you think we need self-driving cars?
It's they're going to just drive us raft cliffs.
Yeah.
Like these people have these sick impulses.
This is another line in the story.
You know, where is it here?
This is kind of weird.
This is referring to the plowing your driveway.
Back in the city, people don't sweep others' walkways for nothing.
Yeah, that's because cities aren't as good as rural America.
Rural America is better than you.
And you should think about what that means when they don't vote the way that you do.
But these, these people are wretched.
They are bad people.
Oh, no, they really are.
And they stay on television instead of having rocks thrown at them in public.
So, Blake, there's actually this interesting flip on.
So, you know, we talk about hicclibs a lot.
And we talked about Oliver Anthony.
We talked about this whole, you know, genre of, I don't know, like a new archetype that's arisen.
You know, Will Stantil is kind of one of these guys, a person who's from sort of a more rural area or a Midwestern area in his case, and yet has liberal tendencies, even though they sort of have like more, more rural aesthetics.
I think I've been trying to think of what the opposite to that is because you see a lot of this on the new right that there's a lot of people who aren't necessarily rural at all.
Donald Trump, of course, is probably as far from rural as you can get.
The guy announced his presidential campaign literally on Fifth Avenue next to Tiffany's in a giant skyscraper bearing his name while you know wearing a suit that was worth several thousand dollars flying around in a helicopter and an airplane with his name on it.
Squatters Rights in Housing 00:05:35
So I was like, I was like, would the flip side of that be like an urban con?
And so, and if so, are the urban cons like the conservatives who grow up not able to stand all the liberals that they're surrounded by all the time the same way that the hicclib hates all the rural conservatives that are around them?
It's a, I don't know, it's an interesting dynamic to get into at some point, maybe for a later show.
Let's get to the last topic.
What is it?
Uh, the last topic is squatters, actually.
Yeah, this is way more, way more chill.
I'll start with this one.
I was first made aware.
So, squatting's a long time.
This is not a new thing.
We should, before we talk about it, we should have the fine guy supposed.
We should have the news hook.
So, we were talking about this today.
There's a story in the New York Post.
A Queens couple bought a $2 million home to care for their special needs son.
He had Down syndrome.
And they show up and they discover that a squatter is living in the building.
And New York laws being what they are, you can't evict the squatter because.
So, explain what that does that mean.
That means someone literally is living in your house and you can't remove them.
Exactly.
A lot, a surprising number of jurisdictions have laws where if a person has resided in a structure long enough, even if they're not paying anything, even if they have no legal right to be there, if they have been there long enough, they get tenant rights regardless of how they caught in.
Exactly.
They could have put it in.
You will literally get cases where, for example, people move and then their house is for sale or they leave for a few months and someone just breaks in and changes the locks.
And maybe they don't find out because they are gone several months and they get back and the people just say, We have squatter rights here.
They'll call the police and the police will say, Sorry, this is a matter for the courts now.
We can't, we can't remove this person.
Yeah, so in New York City, um, I don't have the date when this went into existence, but in New York City, it's probably one of the most radical in the entire country.
So, in some places, adverse possession, this takes you know, over like for seven years of being, you know, on in a facility or in a location or like 10 years in some states.
In New York City, it's 30 days, it's literally 30.
If you can prove that you live somewhere for 30 days, then they can't evict you, which is insane.
Like, you could be, you know, you could be visiting family or somewhere like somewhere for 30 days.
You could be like, oh, you know, some people do the snowbird thing where they, you know, they'll be in Florida for the winter and then come back after 30 days.
And now all of a sudden, someone lives in your house.
It's insane.
It's pretty funny because this is like a relic of really old law, like Anglo-Saxon common law.
It's a relic of times where land title isn't quite as well defined as it is, or where, you know, like a war happens and people flee.
And so you need some way where, oh, stuff happened, and these people ended up living here.
And after 10 years, it's their stuff now.
And we get these relics of this.
And now we're in a time where you really don't need those standards anymore, but we still have these laws.
And it's much worse in Europe.
This happens all the time in Europe where they'll have like Romani people just move into their house and can never get them out.
I first was gypsies.
Gypsies.
Okay, we'll say gypsies.
Okay, go ahead, guys.
Gypsies.
I'll tell the story a little different time.
I'm exhausted.
So anyone else got something to say?
No, no, tell the story.
I'm sorry.
We were just making sure to offend people.
Okay.
So I was first exposed to squatters when I was like 10 years old and I was in Highland Park, Illinois.
There was a very, very nice house that a guy owned and he vacated it for like a year and he went to sell it.
A homeless guy broke in and started living there.
And he didn't know it for the first like 35, 40 days.
And it took him literally years to get him out.
He just lived in the house, couldn't do anything about it.
Yeah.
And so, and so is his house.
And literally had to go to the court and it got like delayed because squatters' rights at that time were like, yeah, if you live there long enough, it's your house.
That's so terrible.
Yeah.
And so isn't that unbelievable?
It just, I mean, this is going to, this is going to grow, by the way, with all the illegals and stuff.
They're going to start breaking into people's vacations homes and being like, it's my house.
Oh, yeah.
And this is part of it.
They'll know what's going on.
They can get those profiles.
It's also, it's COVID and the housing, just the housing crisis that we're in right now.
So as people aren't able to afford properties or like banks and BlackRock and other things aren't going to be able to afford to maintain their properties and then they can't rent them out.
So you're going to have all these properties that people speculated on for rentals that are just going to sit open.
People are going to move right in.
And you're, by the way, you can go on TikTok right now.
I saw this in the New York Post that they're like tutorials on how to target a house for squatting.
And like, there are guys who just do this.
There's even, there's literally cases where they'll scope out houses that are for sale and then people will fake lease them to people and then get them in there long enough that they'll have squatters' rights.
And then the person who actually sold them the lease just skips town.
The Chinese may not even need to buy up our land anymore.
They can just send in a bunch of squatters.
Yeah.
CCP.
Our all the way to the CCP.
We're going to get TikTok.
It'll be TikTok videos.
Here's how to fly to Mexico.
Here's how to cross the border.
Here's what you tell them.
Here's how you apply for the $15,000 a year credit card New York will give you.
Here's how you get housing.
You just break into this place.
Here's the NGO that you will call that will give you free legal representation against these poor saps who are stuck trying to evict you.
And here's this giant corporate law firm that'll chip in.
Here's their pro bono.
Here's the NGO to call.
Yeah.
And just, it truly is a vast apparatus.
California Primary Tuesday 00:02:29
All right.
I want to close with a tease.
We have made the decision.
We are going to stream live on Tuesday for Super Tuesday.
So hopefully, I think Trump's going to win every state.
And that will just be kind of fun to watch and see and go through all the states.
And also just kind of talk about different political dynamics in each of those states as it comes in.
What are the Super Tuesday states, by the way?
They change every time.
There's a bunch.
So a couple move this year.
Let's go through the list really quick because I think it'll be really fun to kind of do that and make a 2024 preview.
I think the stream would do really well.
And I mean, will Nikki Haley even win a statement?
I know Virginia off the top of my head.
Virginia, Alaska, California, Vermont.
I'll go through them in our big ones.
Alabama.
Okay, you got it.
Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado.
California.
You have D.G. is a few days before.
So that shifted.
Idaho is a few days before.
Vermont, Utah, Virginia, Tennessee.
Minnesota.
Do you think Nikki could surprise in California?
I don't think so.
They love Trump in California.
The California Republican Party is actually pretty right-wing.
They're just, they only get winner-take-all, right?
The question is: is Andrew voting in the California primary on Tuesday?
That's the question.
Oh, snap.
He says, oh, he's not here.
He's going to put on his MAGA hat and he's going to go vote for Trump.
I love that.
Andrew, I know you're just in the chat, but producer Andrew, do you actually vote in California general elections or do you just not waste your time?
Yeah, he's okay.
The real question is: does he vote in the races that don't matter at all?
Does he show up to get massacred in the Santa Barbara local elections?
Why not?
I love it.
It's fun to, you know what I do?
I tell everyone, you want to make sure your ballot counts, find a race you don't care about, and write in a random name so you can always go back when they hand count the ballots.
That's exactly right.
And check if it worked or not.
I have like three of your friends do the same thing, like Wright and Harry Potter for the water commissioner, and you would know it should at least have four votes.
All right.
Everybody, see you on Super Tuesday.
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