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Parents Blamed for Child Shooting00:15:47
Happy thought crime day, everybody.
We have Blake, we have Tyler, we have Jack.
Let's get right into it to be the most efficient we can.
Blake, what is our first story?
First story, it's coming out of Michigan, a state that gives us many bad things, like Detroit Lions football most years, and the Detroit Tigers, and, you know, Gregory.
We're going to Michigan.
Excuse me, we're going to Michigan this June.
We love Detroit.
We love Michigan so much now.
Don't forget.
All right.
All right.
But anyway, this is.
Well, I'll just say in an alternate universe, Trump's still president.
The Detroit Lions have made it to the Super Bowl, and Toby Key is probably still alive.
But I'm just saying, we're just in an alternate timeline.
It is the alternate one, unfortunately.
The one we are in, we have this story out of Michigan from Pontiac.
A Michigan jury has convicted the mother of a school shooter of manslaughter.
So back in 2021.
2021, Ethan Crumbly was this teenager, and he did a school shooting, killed four other students, tragically.
He was 15 at the time.
And he actually lived, so I think he already took a plea deal, life without parole.
But what prosecutors also did is they're prosecuting the parents, and they're trying them separately.
So this was the mom, Jennifer Crumbly, and they charged her with involuntary manslaughter because of her son's shooting.
And this week they actually convicted her.
So she has been convicted of what herself.
I saw the news story.
So fill me in.
What is the fact pattern?
Before I can have an opinion, did she know that her son was making violent threats?
Did she know that he was playing around with weapons?
Did she not lock up weapons?
What are the facts?
She gave him a gun is a big key thing that they claim they claim she knew or should have known that he was showing bad, unstable tendency minors.
He was 15.
Okay.
And so that doesn't, that plays into the parents' responsibility.
Exactly.
True, true.
And she gave him the gun.
And despite there were being warning signs of him being a dangerous person, and I'd have to check specifically, but I think it was literally something like she and her husband gave him the gun as a gift literally a day or two before he goes on this shooting.
So it's a very good factor.
Direct cause and effect there.
And then was there evidence presented that he was going to be violent, that she knew that he was making so there was definitely things where he'd written statements or sent text messages that in a vacuum sounded violent, but she argued, and I think it's other than the fact that he did become a shooter, the plausible argument like, oh, he was kidding around, you know, the way teenagers say insane sounding things to be crazy, except this one was crazy and shot people.
Did he go see psychiatric help or no?
I don't know off the top of my head, but I don't think they did.
I don't think that actually there was, so this all comes to a head.
Now, I'm sure you're going to get to this, Blake, but this comes to a head where there's like a school, they actually had pulled the parents into the school on the morning that the shooting took place, obviously before the shooting, and had said they had found some.
I mean, the fact pattern is really, really bad in this case, right?
That's why they're using it.
For sure, for sure.
Try to set this up.
They want this to be the example.
And said they wanted him to get help.
And the parents, we don't know exactly what the disposition was, but the parents sent him back to school rather than like pulling him out immediately.
And so as Jack and I were...
I'm torn on this.
Sorry, go ahead.
Because you have a 15-year-old minor who actually kills people and a parent who gives them the weapon.
And there's more info to this.
Yeah, tell me.
The parents, if I recall correctly, had a history of being violent in front of the child, I believe.
That was documented by him prior to this with a psyche, like a school psychiatrist.
I don't know if it was like a school or like a real professional.
Sorry for people that I didn't mean that, that are out there, but a school psychiatrist versus like a professional outside the school.
Ooh, this is school officials left a voicemail and email for Jennifer Crumbly, the mother.
She did not respond, but she later texted her son saying, L-O-L, I'm not mad at you.
You have to learn not to get caught.
I got to be honest, I'm not very sympathetic with this mom.
Well, and this is the same thing.
This is the real kicker, though, that I was trying to get to.
I'm sorry, I was studying about this.
They made him bury his own dead dog.
So I guess the dog died.
The kid was left alone all the time.
And I guess this was documented.
No, he didn't.
Well, I don't know.
Who knows how the dog died?
The dog died.
The parents did nothing.
And they made him figure it out on his own.
I'm getting more here.
According to prosecutors, Crumbly's own, Ethan Crumbly's only friend moved away at the end of October 2021.
So just before the shooting.
And the family dog died, causing him to become depressed.
As early as March 2021, he had been sending his mother disturbing texts about his state of mind, which included claims about demons and ghosts being inside the home.
I mean, I got to be, I mean, Jack, if you disagree, I don't hate this.
It's just not first-degree murder.
So here's one last thing.
Remember, remember, we were very quick during the Sandy Hook tragedy to blame the parent for not locking up the weapons, right?
That was a big part of the talking point.
Why shouldn't there be a statement that parents, if you have a potentially lunatic child, you know, if they're a minor, now, if you're dealing with 19 or 20-year-old, Jack, am I wrong?
Am I processing this incorrectly?
I don't think you are, but I do think that we're in a new area, right?
We're in a new gray area here because, look, I don't think these were good parents.
And I don't think anyone is making that argument.
And I don't think anybody I've even seen anywhere on the spectrum is making that argument.
The political spectrum, of course, not any other spectrums that we might be talking about in regards to this case.
But the situation here, Charlie, isn't necessarily about this one case.
It's actually about whether or not this precedent will then be continued to be used in other cases.
And really, where does this precedent end?
Because it is a new precedent.
And it is a precedent that has, and all of media, you know, it's sent this way out.
And I certainly don't think that these are sympathetic parents.
And I think that we see this from sort of the liberal legal establishment or liberal legal complex, whatever you want to call it.
They always use unsympathetic characters, unsympathetic targets to push new precedents.
And so even though we can certainly agree that the facts of this case do warrant some kind of accountability for the parents, we should also, I think, take a step back to say this is a new precedent.
The Overton window is being moved in one direction, and this will certainly only be used against, I would say, a certain class of people.
Oh, hold on.
But is it really that crazy of a precedent?
If I'm not mistaken, there's been criminal convictions of people for manslaughter when someone says they're going to commit suicide and they encourage them to do that.
Yeah.
Right?
Like if they really egg them on into it.
Yeah.
Well, if you hand someone a gun and then they kill themselves, then you could be an accessory to yourself.
You for sure will be.
Yeah.
So is it really that far-reaching?
And we're talking about a minor here where there were multiple warning signs and they did supply the murder weapon.
Yeah.
And it's very, very old-fashioned, I would say, that, you know, children are kind of their parents are responsible for their children and what they do to some extent.
Certainly in civil court, that can happen.
You know, if you're negligent with your child and the child does these things.
But I guess what stands out to us is: are we actually going to see this principle applied in a lot of cases?
For gang murders.
Yeah, gang murders.
And there's a lot of cases where parents are super absentee, and that's a huge impact on their children becoming violent criminal rushes.
Should we?
Should we have the law point towards parental responsibility?
I think when it comes to murder.
Yes.
Yeah, I mean, I'm all for gang, you know, if there's a gang kid in Chicago and the mom is like, yeah, you know, go shoot up the rival gang and hands him a gun and hands the gun, like, you know, go teach the crips a lesson.
Or even, but what if it's something in the middle?
What if the kid just has friends who are obviously criminals, gang members, and the parent doesn't take action to say, these people aren't allowed in our house.
You can't hang out with them.
If they come here, we will call the police.
If they're negligent in that sort of way, and then that person becomes a criminal, a violent criminal, should they be responsible for that?
Yeah, but that's why it's up to a jury at that point to, but I think, I think what we're talking about here is that.
I mean, I think we're saying this jury was for some basic facts here, which is if you hand a crazy person a gun that you're responsible for in your household that you claim on your taxes.
100%.
And then that person kills someone.
Yeah, just the same way.
And by the way, this already happens with cars.
Yes.
So if you let your minor child have access to a car and then they go and kill someone, you will become an accessory for sure in that case for murder.
And that's probably, I don't have an example of it, but I guarantee that's happening.
Jack, but I want you to, Jack, what is the precedent?
I must be missing this.
I mean, let's pretend the worst, most Stalinistic.
What is the precedent here that I'm missing?
Because the fact pattern is minor weapon days ahead, ignoring warning signs of text messages.
With that fact pattern, what precedent should we be concerned about?
I'm not saying that sarcastically.
I just must say.
Well, Charlie, it's not about the fact pattern.
It's about the precedent of a someone connected to someone else, in this case, a child, then commits a crime, and then the person connected them associated with them becomes liable for the crime.
So in this fact pattern, you've clearly got a direct line from the actions of the people to the crime being committed or the actions or I guess the inactions as well in this case.
But at the same time, I would also point, and I remember saying at the time, looking at the case, looking at the same fact pattern when I said, wait a minute.
So the parents were called into the school and they were asked about the child.
They were shown some violent, I guess, drawings and writings that the student had made.
I shouldn't say child, it's 15, that the student had made that seem very violent, asking for getting help and saying, you know, and saying, I need help.
I hear voices.
The voices are telling me to kill.
At the same time, the school, the student resource officers, they had an officer, security guy at the school, didn't never check the backpack of the kid, never once checked the backpack of the kid after seeing something like that.
The teacher never checked the backpack.
The principal never checked the backpack.
Nobody checked the backpack to see if there was a gun in there.
And so I guess my question is when we're talking about these issues of legal liability, you know, why would you not find any liability for the school given the situation that, again, how many times do we talk about, oh, the FBI had someone on their radar, but then didn't do anything about it?
And the FBI is never found accountable for any of these things or many cases where, you know, the FBI was, you know, working as an informant with somebody and directly tied to some crime that took place and they're trying to get them or, you know, they don't end up catching them.
And so the crime actually takes place.
But they, again, they were on the FBI's radar.
Should the FBI be found accountable for not arresting them?
In a weird way, though, Jack, this ruling.
And so where does this end?
But hold on.
This ruling actually uses TradCon conservative belief that a parent is responsible for the kids as long as they're a minor.
Doesn't it invert our own value system against us if we find it disagreeable, right?
Because our own belief system, for example, we're the ones crying foul that a parent should know if their 15-year-old is going to transition.
Parent is in charge, parents in charge.
So just to be consistent, if the parent's in charge, that comes with responsibility, right?
Because security resource officer isn't their parent.
They might be guilty of gross negligence or, you know, civil responsibility, civil type action.
So I'm just thinking out loud because we're the ones, the left would be the ones that actually would say, no, the parent has nothing to do with the kid.
The kid can make up their own mind.
The kid can get their genitals chopped off.
This is where I start having practical worries, I suppose.
Something about this doesn't sit right with me.
And I think it's the fact that we aren't starting, we aren't having an up or down vote on should parents be responsible for this whole gamut of crimes that kids can commit.
Instead, what we're doing is we're giving the state a new tool to prosecute essentially political targets, I think.
They chose this case specifically because it's a gun case, a shooting case.
So they want to basically send the message, don't allow your kids to be around guns because anything that happens with it could get you in trouble.
Don't teach your kids guns.
Don't take them to the shooting range.
Don't go hunting.
What the left loves is the idea that if you have a gun in your home for any reason, if anything bad happens, it can ruin your life.
They want to create that reality because they want to get rid of, they want to disarm the public.
And this could be...
Think of also how we see this on other cases.
So, you know, Trump, they're going to say, well, Trump should have known that what he said, even if it wasn't normally criminal, what Trump said on January 6th, because he's Trump, he should have known it would have driven his followers into a frenzy and they storm the Capitol.
They really like, the left really likes the idea of transferring blame for one person's actions onto another person.
And they do this in other ways.
Know this gangbanger shoots someone, but really society is to blame.
Actually, you're to blame for the thing this person did.
And this is that in miniature.
Does it change if they're a minor?
Well, that's why I think it's a tough question.
And they chose a good case.
I have a different start on it.
I have a different spin on it.
And it goes hand in hand with Dan Crenshaw Land, which is this is where this plays into what the left wants to this point is really on the red flag law point, which is not just if you have any kind of mental disorder that you shouldn't have a gun, that someone in your household that has an issue means that you shouldn't have a gun in your household.
And that's the only place like I generally think that parents should be totally responsible for parents that do.
So if you can prove that I gave you the gun or gave you open access or you're messing around with a gun and I knew you had issues, then yeah, you're going to be held liable for this.
But red flag laws, what the left wants to initiate is that if I have someone in my household that potentially has issues, then maybe I can't even own a gun.
And that's probably that's the angle here in this conversation that is probably we haven't discussed yet.
That's the only issue that I have with that.
Now, the facts of the story are it's pretty clear that the gun was basically essentially provided to a game.
Which is like the worst fact pattern for this woman, you could imagine.
So I think there's a happy medium, which is like, I don't want red flag laws, but I also want people to know that if you have someone that's sick in your household or you're sick and you do something, you're going to go to jail.
Red Flag Laws and Justice00:03:55
Yes.
Like, and that's that's and that's fine too.
You know, that's yeah, I mean, the inverse is that the mom who gives the weapon to the kid.
And by the way, she's having like an affair and she's doing some sort of crazy thing.
And she's talking about suicide and she's like screaming.
Not texting back her kids.
And her dog's dying and apparently the kid's having to bury the dog himself.
And like this kid was a volunteer.
This parent is ready to erupt.
This parent's suck.
And do we just say there's the law just as indifference to, I mean, but the other, it might not be the right criminal code, but we punish parents for being bad parents.
Like you can go to jail for abusing your kids.
And to your point with gangbangers, a lot of parents should go to, like, we're dealing with this in Arizona with like the Gilbert Goons thing, right?
Like, I don't, we don't know the facts of this yet, but some parents should have to be responsible for things that kids do.
And you can kill people a lot of different ways, right?
Like you can curb stomp someone, you can knife someone, you can shake someone, you can shoot somebody.
Parents that let this action happen and they enable it, you know, should be held responsible to a certain extent with minors.
Jack?
Yes, here's my butt: is that, you know, I think it's, it's very easy to get caught up in the fact pattern of this case.
And as we've stated, it's bad, right?
These are not sympathetic people.
But at the same time, you can't divorce this from the culture war that we are currently in in the lawfare situation that we are currently in, where one side has the initiative and one side is constantly on the defensive or counteroffense every once in a while, where we know that every new precedent that gets set by the people who are anti-gun, by the people who are on the left,
by the people who are coming after our rights is going to be used against a specific class of people.
And this is what I was getting to earlier.
We do live in a three-tiered system of justice.
We don't live in a flat, balanced system of justice.
So, yeah, by the way, if this were going to be the new president and we were going to put this up to a vote in every state, I'd probably be for it.
I'd absolutely be for it.
Again, if we lived in a normal country, but we don't live in that country.
We live in a country where conservatives, Republicans, gun owners, et cetera, are the ones that get cracked down on and not anybody else.
In fact, many most violent criminals in this country, particularly in the major cities, are let go.
Violent illegal aliens are let go.
And so you can't divorce these new precedents that are being set from the context and the general trend and the tenor of the culture war in which we are currently in or soft cultural revolution, whatever name you want to use for it, the quasi-communist uprising, proto-communist uprising that we're living through.
This precedent will be used against us.
And it's part, I would say, it's also part of the left's wider understanding and their new conception using red flag laws and other types of judicial punishments to, because they understand that they can't get rid of the Second Amendment with the new Supreme Court.
There's no way they're going to be able to get rid of the Second Amendment in really our lifetimes.
And so what do they do next?
They go to the next level and they say, we're going to take away your ability to use your weapons.
They're already taking away our right to self-defense.
And by the way, this was the same exact argument they tried to use against Kyle Rittenhouse.
They tried to say he shouldn't have had the gun in the first place.
That's why those people are dead.
He was not allowed to have a gun.
He crossed state lines.
Again, these completely superfluous and trivial arguments that actually had nothing to do with the legality of the case or the facts of the case.
But again, they're still trying to criminalize the use of guns.
I'm not saying they were used rightly in this first place, but I want people to understand that the left's anti-gun matrix has shifted on an operational base point the same way that they've shifted the operational matrix on our elections to the operational situation.
Ivermectin Wellness Kit Debate00:03:32
It's well said, Jack.
Okay.
Jack, talk.
By the way, there's some goofy stuff.
Tyler, you and I, without going into details, I think we got bio-blasted.
Yeah.
I think the Republican establishment bioblasted us in Vegas.
I think there might be like miniature robots that entered my body.
By the way, so I was listening to Brandon Tatum's show on Friday and he was like, I've never been so sick.
I have the weirdest symptoms, like goofy, like stuff I've never, ever dealt with before.
Jack, you got sick as a dog, right?
I mean, I don't want to get ahead of myself.
If all of a sudden in April, they're like, oh, by the way, there's COVID 2.0, I will have been, and you would have been in the front.
And where did they hit?
Where did they hit?
Vegas right before the Super Bowl.
I'm just, I'm telling you, there is something going in those halls of Vegas that.
I think over my house, I have chemtrails that go over like all the time.
I'm constantly just going straight out.
There is something straight outside of the gas mask between my house and my car and like, you know, trying to check out.
When I had COVID, I was like, this is, this is man-made.
It just felt no, the symptoms I've been having, I'm like, this is not normal.
It's like weird stuff that's like very fringe.
Okay.
So if you want life-saving medication, Jack, you just got your ivermectin, didn't you?
I just took ivermectin for the very first time, I guess, what, three or four days ago.
I have yet to grow a horse mane or a horse tail that I am aware of.
I've been galloping a little bit lately when I'm in the gym, but you know, that's, you know, that's fine.
That's normal.
So if you want your own ivermectin, because there is something, if you guys haven't yet had the pleasure of getting, if you think you are sick over Christmas, this is a whole new thing.
This is not conventional.
This is asymmetrical warfare.
When you get it, you'll know it.
It's right, Tyler.
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Any final thoughts on ivermectin, Tyler?
Oh, yeah, it's a lifesaver.
It really, I mean, can I?
It saved my life.
And I can't repeat this enough.
Every time I post this on Twitter, it goes viral.
I get like 10,000 likes.
But I took, I was on my deathbed.
I think day 12, I was, I had 104-degree fever.
And your oxygen was like 81.
I was literally just like, oh my gosh.
And I took ivermectin next day.
I was fine.
Next day.
Jack, you want to give some thoughts here for TWC?
Yeah, no, wellness company.
So this kit, and yes, it does have the ivermectin, but people need to understand that they've, you've got antibiotics in there.
You've got, we got amoxicillin.
I got the Z pack, zithromycin.
You get a ton of stuff in these packs that is just, it's sort of your normal run-of-the-mill stuff that you would get that's normally impossible to get unless you're going to one of these urgent care centers or you're trying to get a, you're trying to get on the calendar to have an appointment with your PCP, your primary care.
And it's so hard to do any of these things.
And oh, by the way, your copay is going to be what, 100, 125 for some of these things.
With the wellness company, you can just go and get one of their packs directly.
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I put in my information.
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Working Forty Hours a Week00:15:35
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And now I've got it when I need it.
And for me, for a guy who's on the go, who doesn't like taking time out of the office or time away from doing shows like this or my own show or other hits, I just thought that the wellness company was incredibly convenient.
I was able to talk to some of their doctors.
It was just super easy to use.
And now I have the peace of mind of knowing that if some, if I get bio-blasted again, or just even if I come down with like a winter cold or something, I've got what I need right there.
There we go.
Okay, next topic.
All right.
This is an interesting one.
It was going on last week.
So we love having debates on Twitter and we love Zoomers whining on X.
And so what's going on?
Matt Walsh, our friend over at the Daily Wire, kind of got a lot of heat because of how he responded to this extremely upset Zoomer.
And I thought we should talk about it because there was actually a very strong split between myself and a lot of friends and a lot of conservatives on X.
It's a bit of a long clip, but this is basically some Zoomer.
She's about 22 and she's complaining about her life.
And it's a clip that they tend to do.
Yeah, it's clip number 69.
So let's just play that.
Why is it that I have to work 40 hours a week just so I can have a place to live?
40 hours a week makes me $2,000 a month.
And my rent is $1,660.
So I work 40 hours a week so I can have a two-bedroom apartment and an extra $300 a month.
Like, it doesn't cover my phone, internet, food, you know.
So not only do I not have any extra money, but just working makes me so exhausted that I don't have time either.
Like I get off work at 5:30, come home.
I'm just so tired.
I'm so tired that like anything that I need to do outside of work, I then just push off to like the weekend.
And I'm like, I'm just too tired to do this after work.
I'll wait until Saturday.
So then I end up with so much to do on the weekend that ends up having to be split into two days.
So I have to do stuff on both Saturday and Sunday.
So then I don't get a day off.
I don't get a day to relax.
I don't get to decompress.
So it is really like working seven days a week constantly.
And I don't want to do that anymore, right?
I don't care how poor and miserable I would have to be, but I literally can't have a place to live without this, you know?
Like, I don't know what she is.
So, are you sympathetic?
So, I'll explain after this is done.
I think we've got the idea.
You guys can cut it now.
Money on her side.
Yeah, and so there's so many questions.
Here's what happens.
Where does she live?
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
But $1,600 for a two-bedroom.
She probably doesn't live in a major city, to be honest.
That's like you would not get arizona.
She's got to get some blood work done.
Two-bedroom here is more.
She's got to get her vitamin D double checked.
She's got a vitamin B deficiency.
Yeah, I think she acknowledges that something is physically wrong with her.
Yeah, she's got to start supplementing with somebody.
Anyway, she's got some magnesium, probably potassium, sodium.
She's got some electricity.
But what makes this interesting here?
Matt Walsh, he replies to this in a way that seemed pretty reasonable to me.
He replies, you can put number 70 up on screen.
Honestly, it boggles my mind that so many people think 40 hours of work a week is a lot.
That leaves you at least five or six waking hours a day during the week to yourself and two days on the weekend.
How much more free time do you really think you should have?
And then he continues on number 71.
Of course, the reason you see women in these videos so often is that most women don't actually want to work professional careers at all, but they've been pushed this direction by society.
But even so, we should be clear that taking care of children will mean working more than 40 hours a week.
A lot more.
Life is work, no matter how you slice it.
Suck it up and deal with it.
Now, what's interesting is a lot of people I know, and also a lot of the comments from conservatives were super hostile to this.
They think Matt is being a spiritual boomer.
He's, you know, talk, he's being super dismissive of how terrible it is to be taking over the world.
And we get some of these responses.
Tyler works like 190.
He works 145 hours a week.
This is what they would say.
I paid a day off.
They said that Charlie Kirk.
A big response was they're saying, Matt, you're a podcaster.
You barely work.
You just work six hours a week talking on a screen, which I don't know, Matt, but I suspect he works more than that.
Much like you work a lot more than when you're on screen hosting a show.
Yeah, I know.
We all know that.
Yeah.
And if you enjoy what you do, okay, you never work a day in your life.
People do point that out.
If maybe she has a really draining job, I don't know.
Well, first off, the math doesn't add up.
Yeah.
She's getting paid allegedly $11 an hour.
Yeah, where is she?
Like Jackson, Mississippi.
She might be like, maybe she's a fast food worker.
It could be really bad.
They pay like $22 an hour.
Yeah, I just went.
They pay.
In and out, they have this big thing, $25 an hour to flip burgers.
It's literally in most of these places, the minimum wage is like way higher than that.
So she's either lying or number two, she has literally a garbage job, which is you should have done this.
It's not literally a garbage job.
Garbage man probably pays like $30.
No, I mean, a garbage job.
She also has no job.
She probably has no skills.
That's the problem.
And this actually goes back to the argument we make all the time, at least when I was at the TPUSA side of things, we talk with young people.
Young people should be working in high school.
I worked a full-time job in high school where I got paid the equivalent of that.
I got paid.
I think my first job was $3.25 an hour or whatever it was.
That job, that's when you learn those skills so that you beyond high school, you can advance to something else.
So you're still living in your parents' home.
You're working a job that pays too little to actually live on your own.
That's another thing.
The second thing is, like, why doesn't she live with someone?
There's such things as roommates and everything else.
Move somewhere that is more amenable to you.
None of this actually makes sense.
And she started her life too late because probably her parents belong in jail like the last parent.
This is a phenomenon I have seen, though.
This is something that exists.
I think it's some sort of Midwestern boomer.
It codes as conservative or libertarian to me.
There are some parents who really like the idea of having their kids get out of the house right away at 18.
You're on your own.
Live on your own.
Take care of yourself, sink or swim.
And I do wonder if that way.
A lot of people are like that.
It seems counterproductive to me.
It seems.
No.
Well, one, if you're throwing people out to sink or swim right away, the answer that a lot of them do is they become huge liberals because they're cut off from all existing strategies.
That does happen.
And also, just we talk about the importance of setting a good foundation for your life.
And I think one of the ways you do that is we should be emphasizing you get a huge return on saving money early.
So this person is essentially being destroyed because she lives on her own making $2,000 a month.
Can I counter argument what you just said, though?
Sure.
So I do think that a lot of people who are kicked out of their house do become liberals, but then they more quickly and more rapidly become conservatives again because they have to figure their own lives out.
Now, I've seen just as many people in my life who have lived in their parents' home until they're 35, who have become the most obnoxious liberals because they've never had to leave.
They've never had to do anything on their own.
And then they end up inheriting the family business or some large sum of money from a family member when their parents die.
And then they never learned any life skills their entire life.
And so I think no matter what, we have work to do on both sides of it.
But I do think that the entire concept of having a bigger family where you're forced to kick kids out of the home is ultimately better for society than having fewer kids that live under your roof until you die.
Well, definitely not live until you die.
I think you can easily coddle kids too much, or you're Italian and they have their kids live with them until they're 35.
That can be bad.
But if you have the expectation or you consider it normal, work at home or start your career while working at home.
Go to school while staying at home.
You do not need to race into your own place.
But you should do that in high school.
I mean, the argument I would make to you is like, that should happen in high school.
You should have garbage jobs in high school.
You should flip burgers and scoop ice cream and work at Target in the checkout line and have to dig ditches and do stupid stuff when you're a high schooler instead of running around, you know, doing bad stuff, you know, that high schoolers are doing now because they're coddled too much in high school or playing full-time sports, which I don't, I actually think that that's a horrible thing is that we should be like, like I see every kid, when I was in high school, kids played one sport in high school or,
or they played multiple sports when they're growing up.
Now we've got kids like doing travel, like they're like going to be the second coming of Wayne Gretzky or something, and none of them are that good.
And then they turn into bad kids because they have all this free time because they're focused more on sports and like a half-ass, half, you know, I guess we can cuss on this, right?
So yeah, a half booty school career.
And so then they end up in college and they never learn anything.
But I think if you put kids to work, you know, and the family business doesn't count, by the way, you should force kids to go out, have to work for someone else, learn real valuable lessons, get fired from a few jobs, do that at an earlier age, and they're probably going to be more successful.
Jack, I want to get Jack's opinion here.
Yeah, I think the boomer take on this is really bad.
I think it's like politically stupid, number one, in an election year to tell people that like, oh, you should, you should all work until you die and you should be like Nikki Haley, raising the retirement age to 70.
I mean, go take a look at five seconds of TikTok and see how Nikki Haley is just getting destroyed on there for that take, saying that like every, you know, work is the only thing that's worthwhile in life.
Specifically, work at a job, by the way, work at a job, work at an occupation, work at work for some, whatever it is, right?
You know, defining yourself by your work is something that's just politically, I think, suicide.
I think it's actually suicidal for a movement to embrace that as their as their mantra.
I really do.
I mean, it's just the political instincts of like someone who probably backed the wrong horse in the primary earlier this year.
It's just really, really, really not smart.
And so, no, I mean, I think if you want to be out there and you want to actually make sense, talk about the fact that, hey, why aren't we all working four hours a week or excuse me, four days a week and living off of our Chinese tariffs?
Why aren't we doing something like that and saying we can make things so much better for our people?
Like the goal of a political movement should be to make things better for your people, not worse, and telling them that you're forced to work more, you're forced to do more.
And to the part where I do agree with Walsh, though, is that it is society that pushes these things.
It is society that pushes us to overwork.
Americans are absolutely overworked.
We work more hours than anyone.
We're unhappier than anyone.
We're all on SSRIs.
And you can see why.
You can see if she goes to some therapist, the therapist is never going to say, like, oh, you should work less or you should, you know, try to find a less stressful job.
The therapist is going to say, here, take this, take this medication, take whatever benzodiazepam, whatever it is, to beta blockers to make yourself feel better and then go about your day.
So you're going to drug you up rather than saying, hey, you should find some work-life balance.
It is just interesting to me how hostile it was.
Like, I'm friends with a lot of people who work hard and they were pretty negative about it.
And you can put up 72 some of the things.
What are they negative about?
Matt Walsh said.
I'll just read a few of these are some of the top results.
This is from a guy, Hafios.
Matt, I respect you, but you did radio and you run a podcast.
You work hard, but you cannot compare that to blue-collar work.
Even retail restaurant work is harder than what you do.
Stop being a boomer.
Next person, easy take when you make six or seven figures doing a job you love, Matt.
Try working 40 hours at a job that drains you mentally and physically and emotionally so that you can afford rent and groceries.
Some guy, dissident soaps, bad Matt said that about working with Ben Shapiro.
Bad take.
Her husband should be able to afford a house and two cars working 40 hours a week so she can stay home like people did before 1975.
And then Ian BS, five days out of seven is not a good work-life balance.
I'm just speechless.
Like, I mean, I don't know what country I live in anymore, I guess.
I mean, first of all, I take one day fully off.
So I do what the Bible says.
I literally stop for one day and I love what I do.
I think Tyler's on my team here.
Like, if you don't, if you're not creating, then you're dying.
I personally think that, I mean, the Soviets put people on a six-day work week.
Okay.
So these same people that don't want to work have no idea what's coming for them when we actually get to the American Soviet rule, which is what we're trying to avoid for all.
That is a funny part.
People will say, this is why we need communism.
Capitalism has failed.
Aha, comrade.
The Soviets.
You shall enjoy your time in the lithium mine.
They had an eight-hour workday, but it was six days a week.
It was 48 hours.
So you could look it up.
But I mean, this is this, for me, it's, you know, you're going to have jobs in your life where you're not the boss and you're going to have jobs in your life where you become the boss.
And some people never get to become the boss because they don't ever figure out how to become the boss.
And that is called capitalism.
And so for me, it's like you're going, you're never going to enjoy not being the boss.
You just aren't.
If you're not in control of certain things, if you're not creating, you're not doing things that you enjoy, you're probably not going to love that job.
Every job where I wasn't creating and being the boss, I didn't enjoy it, but I learned something from each of those things.
So I could hopefully at some point in my life become the boss.
Am I the only one that enjoys work days more than weekends?
No, I like work to be at home.
Jack, do you, Jack?
Oh my goodness.
No, no, being a wife is harder.
Charlie, you are not true story.
I'm not saying I'm normal of these things.
That's not true.
True story.
No, don't matwalsh him.
Do not batwals him, Jack.
All these people hate works.
Which is great, which is good.
I moved from DC to Phoenix because I was going crazy not having an office.
Okay, I need to be a curious place with people.
Is this sound super out of touch or distant when I say that weekdays give me more fulfillment than weekends?
Well, I don't know about fulfillment, but I will say this.
And well, I already answered your question.
I'm going to score points right now because my wife's job is way harder at home.
No, 100%.
Managing three children than doing anything that year.
I need one kid.
And I need a nap after like two hours.
I have to go for a walk.
And I think this is a male-female thing, right?
Which is like, my wife might disagree and she might find things uncomfortable about working and doing what we do every day.
But like, it's, it's hard to do those things.
Finding Fulfillment in Unfulfilling Work00:02:02
And everybody has a role.
Yeah, I just, I don't, I know, I'm, I'm different.
I just, I love when I get to wake up super early.
And I think we could say there might be a crisis in terms of less work is giving people a sense of meaning.
Even if it's even if it's a very grunt work of the past, you might have built something.
You were in a factory.
You saw that car get made.
Yeah.
Or you worked on a farm.
You saw that crop grow and feed people.
Whereas now your real grind job could be something you work as an Amazon delivery person.
You work as a telemarketer.
And it's a true grind job that is the same every day with no change.
And often you're very policed in it.
You have these workplaces that spy on you and they penalize you if your bathroom break is two minutes too long.
And I think that can be really oppressive and draining to people.
And it is something for conservatives to think about because if we are pro-work, we should want work to be something that people will, if not enjoy, at least understand and appreciate creation.
Because we're made in the image of God and God creates.
Work is a bad word for it because it feels like toil or it feels as if it's just kind of digging a ditch to fill it back in again, which is a form of hell.
What I'm advocating for is creation, building new things and innovating and being creative about different problems.
And by the way, that is that you could be, you could do creation in the family unit too.
You're creating kids.
You're building kids.
This young lady sounds as if she looks at work as soul-sucking.
And yeah, I mean, but you said in Japan that if you come and you see a bus driver, he's like, I will be the best bus driver I can be.
But isn't that to my argument?
You can make even unfulfilling work fulfilling if you believe in duty and obligation.
For sure.
But it is very much the miasma of society around it does play a huge role.
It's hard to be the only one at your job who cares and they'll like, I'll hate you for it.
And if the job doesn't give you any incentive to do it.
Tax Advice for Americans00:02:45
You know what?
Yeah, but we don't live in a society where we're assigned these boring jobs.
You can still find this all the time.
I'm like, man, it would be a beautiful vacation to have one of those jobs at some point, right?
Dirty mics.
Sometimes I'm like, I would love to be an Uber driver and just spend all day long chatting with people, living like my, yeah, do that whole thing.
And some people think that that's miserable.
I talked to some Uber drivers who are like, man, I hate Uber.
I'm just doing this for a short period of time.
And then there's people who love it.
Right.
And it's, and it's just to that point that Charlie said is that you can make anything great.
The beauty of America is that no one is stuck with, there's a, there's a lot of different jobs that you can find a lot and you can hop around to a lot of those different jobs.
Right now, we have a problem in America where we don't have enough of these jobs filled.
And that's part of the problem that we have because we aren't training our people at a younger age to take these jobs, learn something from them in advance.
And that's part of why I think society is collapsing a little bit is because we're trying to force 45-year-olds to learn things they should have learned when they were 15.
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What I'm saying, though, is I find there's actually more good reasons than not of why people are behind on their taxes.
Not everything is because you were just trying to go to Vegas for a $2,500 a ticket Super Bowl.
Elon Musk Thought Audit00:11:48
Okay.
It's $5,000 a ticket now.
Are you kidding me?
Cheapest ticket available is $5,000.
You know, that would be a good thought crime topic.
Why is it so expensive this year?
What is I have my own personal this NFL season has been the most commented by non-football people?
Is it the Taylor Swift effect?
What is it?
Or is it that we finally got over the woke stuff and we kind of forgot?
I think we are truly reaching the point where the NFL is the only unifying cultural force in American life.
It is the only thing everyone watches.
They said it was the most popular show anyone watches on TV anymore.
No one watches network television anymore.
No, that's smart.
Totally dying.
It's all live sports, and the only live sport that really dominates is football and its ability to just, now it's sucking in all the gambling money.
It's sucking in.
That's another point.
I think the DraftKings revolution, by the way, we should do a whole thought crime on the morality of gambling.
Have we done that yet?
I think we did.
We talked about dude.
Oh, that would be such a good conversation.
Wouldn't that be a good one?
But we did not do a full, like it came up in the course of our last discussion.
Next up.
Do you just want to do the real topic?
We can do that.
What is the next one?
AI.
Oh, no, that's too good.
We can't miss that.
No, we have to.
No, we have to.
No, but I just want to say, I think that also the fact that it's in Vegas, I think people are getting free hotel rooms, basically, like 30 bucks a night.
So maybe there's more demand to go to the Super Bowl and cheap flights to Vegas.
Like every place flies to Vegas in America.
Yeah, I just want to gaze upon the sphere, which we must all bow towards.
You know, by the way, have you seen that thing?
It's incredibly impressive.
It's so cool.
I saw it when we were there last week.
It was stupid U2 there.
All right, let's do a Dignify AI.
Dignify.
I just got to say it.
This is one of my favorite stories.
Erica loved this story when I showed it to her.
She thought it was the coolest thing ever.
Walk us through it.
Who wants to, Jack, do you want to drive on the bus here?
Do we have something written or do you guys want me to kind of explain it?
We have a ton of photos, so you can describe it and they'll just put them up while you talk about it.
Yeah, so we finally found a proper use for AI.
And so, for all of the thoughts out there who are attempting to use OnlyFans or social media to reel in their catch, their prey, their simps, their betas, whatever you want to call them.
Basically, what 4chan has developed, and there's this great guy on Twitter, has created the account at Dignif AI.
It's called Dignify, and it exists as this really interesting tool where it's going through these pictures of scantily clad women and also women with egregious tattoos or any tattoos and cleaning them up, just absolutely making women look more beautiful, more dignified.
And it's really speaking to something in our culture where this Miley Cyrus from the Grammys, where it almost seems like the women look better when they are dressed more dignified or attired more dignified.
And it speaks to something in our culture, I think, where these women who, and by the way, so this one right here, for example, I actually kind of disagree with in a sense because, you know, it's funny, right?
Obviously, but I do think that you can go a little bit too far with these things, where I don't think that she's, you know, dressed like a hussy walking around in or trying to, you know, use her looks to generate money on the internet.
I think that she's just a model dressed as, you know, I guess like a Greek, you know, a Greek kind of figure here, like Helen of Troy or whatever.
And so I do think there's a tendency for Dignify to go a little bit too far, but where it's most effective for is for is for trolling the thoughts and patrolling the thoughts.
And the thoughts, like this one right here, will absolutely be patrolled.
And anytime you can do this, I was a huge supporter, by the way, of the thought audit.
Do you guys remember the thought audit?
I remember we were just talking about taxes.
They should have given her something she was lifting here, though, to make it more.
Do you remember that?
I want to make sure we get to this headline.
Just to explain it for those, because I was talking about taxes.
So the thought audit was for people to go and they were matching with girls on like OnlyFans or some of these other things.
And they were saying, oh, what do you, how much do you make?
And do you report that to the IRS?
You must pay a lot in taxes.
And then getting them to say something like, oh, I don't report it.
And then taking their information and reporting that to the IRS because 4chan found out that apparently you can receive a bounty, like a percentage of the taxes that aren't being paid if you find someone who's not paying their taxes.
And so it became called the thought audit.
And I actually coined that term thought thought audit when it was going on back at the time.
And it seems like we should bring it back.
Jack, they're also doing that.
So they were encouraging people to do that with servers too.
So they're like, every time you go out to eat, report your server.
Oh, no, I wouldn't do that to a server.
No, I know.
Absolutely.
So that's where it came from.
That was the original thought audit was the server.
But those aren't, those aren't, those aren't the same as e-thoughts.
No, I wouldn't.
I just would never.
I think it's wrong.
You'll feel bad for those poor people who are getting audited.
No, and I'm very big tipper.
Like, I'm totally for all that.
Totally for all that.
Maybe that girl in the video got audited because somebody audit had a bounty on her.
Wasn't there.
So do we have the Rolling Stone right now?
I have it on screen if we just want to show it here.
You can just bring up my screen here.
So this is an actual article in Rolling Stone.
I did not initially believe it was real.
4chan, Death by Snoo Snoo.
4chan Chuds used AI to clothe her.
She fought back.
How did she fight back?
Dignify, apparently.
I'm not sure actually.
By taking off the lawyers.
She actually had AI on her edited AI.
Actually, remove her clothes.
So now it's a completely fake.
And I am not a subscriber to Rolling Stone, so I cannot read the text of this article.
But apparently she fought back.
Chud is some, is this kind of slang term for kind of right-wing dudes?
Well, this interconnects everything with the girl that wanted a better job, too, because maybe I don't know what she's doing out there to make up for the disparity in her income because she only had two live off of.
Hopefully it's nothing bad.
But some of these, I know people are using AI for better headshots that they're putting on their applications to places, like on their resumes.
Some of these pictures that Dignify is doing are really great for resumes.
So, you know, maybe it'll get him a better job, even.
Yeah, just go on your Instagram, take your sauciest photo, and then just, oh, now you're in a suit.
Now you're in, now you're people want to hire people with kids and wear crosses.
They're fully clothes.
So like use this, your dignify picture now.
Oh, I'm in the Rolling Stone article.
That's nice.
Put it on your resume.
You know, let's create an entire account around your Dignify pictures.
Jack Pasobic, a far-right influencer, excuse me, not far-right, you mean right so far, who on Friday posted four examples of the tool being used on what he referred to as e-girls, a derogatory term for women with front-facing personae on the internet.
Like, what?
I'm not really sure exactly how she's getting us back.
I think she's just, she's just yelling.
Like, she's basically just complaining about it.
Yeah, death by snooze new.
I'm not really sure how she has fought back in any way other than like taking her clothes off more.
Like, I'm so confused.
All right.
What's the final topic, is that it?
We could talk about real quick.
Elon Musk.
Elon Musk is going to go to war with Disney.
So this is.
This is a lawsuit going to be filed.
I can't say more.
I have heard some stuff that it seems legit.
He seems very interested in this.
And this is all because yesterday, he's been on a bit of a warpath.
So yesterday, Elon Musk tweeted, an anonymous source just sent me this from Disney.
It is mandatory institutionalized racism and sexism.
And before we show the image, I just want to say this has been seen 43 million times, has 186,000 likes, 44,000 reposts.
This has been seen by a huge number of people.
And it's Disney's general entertainment content inclusion standards, as they call it.
And so they have four different categories here that apparently within Disney, you have to fulfill at least three or two or three criteria in each standard.
And they're trying to hit all of them to hit this.
So for example, standard A, on-screen representation, A1 characters, 50% or more of regular and recurring written characters must come from underrepresented groups, which they put in capital letters.
Or, you know, A4, series premise, meaningful integration of underrepresented groups in overall themes and narratives, and similar stuff for actors, secondary characters, and episodic storytelling.
And you need to get three out of five of those to fulfill standard A.
And it continues like this.
Standard B is creative leadership.
So who's writing it?
Who's the casting director?
Who is in senior creative leadership?
And then below the line, which is production staff, crew members.
And then finally, industry access and career development.
And this is paid employment opportunities such as apprenticeships.
It's the vendors you're hiring, the contractors you're hiring.
And all of these are based on increasing representation for so-called underrepresented groups.
And then, you know, obviously there's other groups that are going to lose out purely based on identity categories.
And Musk has been getting more and more vocal about this just over the past year.
He kind of starts off, oh, that's interesting.
And he's getting more and more aggressive about this.
And now he's just, he's straight up saying, if you feel you've been discriminated against by Disney, contact us and we will try to provide you legal help.
I'm not sure why he's at war with Disney specifically, but I think we can all agree the House of Mouse might be Elon.
Elon wins these lawsuits.
He has a good track record.
Well, no, I think it's clear why he's in war with Disney because if you look at what he's doing with X, he's trying to position X as a streaming service.
And I think Disney Plus, outside of, you know, sort of in like normie world, is one of the top streaming services against Netflix.
Keep in mind, you've got, you're not just talking about Disney Plus, you're also looking at ESPN, ABC, all of their, all their Corollary networks, Marvel, et cetera, et cetera.
And so anything that he can do to take, to me, it just shows Elon getting more into that entertainment media space the same way that obviously he's.
You know he's promoting Tucker for coming on, I think what's his name from.
Don Lamond is coming on X, so he's it.
It seems to me as a way of him going after a competitor.
Very good, all right, until next week.
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