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Feb. 2, 2024 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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James O'Keefe Does Anything For the Scoop
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James O'Keefe Joins the Show 00:12:55
Hey, everybody, entire episode with James O'Keefe.
We talk about his recent story where he pretended to be go on a gay date.
It's hilarious.
You're going to love this one and the huge story.
And then we just talk about the need to act.
James O'Keefe joins us.
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Joining us is one of my favorite Americans.
He's been through a lot in the last 12 months and he's fighting.
He's posting wins.
He doesn't give up.
And he loves the truth.
He's here for the full hour, James O'Keefe.
Charlie, great to be with you.
James, you keep on posting wins and posting wins.
There's so much I want to cover with you.
But first, how are you doing?
You've had a year.
I'm just, I'm a little tired at the moment.
I mean, this was an insane week.
So I'm pushing through.
Pushing through.
I want to talk about just how you've handled this last year.
And you've had some of the biggest stories of your career in the last 12 months.
Yes.
I think this White House guy was probably my favorite story I've ever done in my whole life for many reasons.
And you've had some barn burners.
And before we get into it, how is it performing on social media?
It's got like 23 million views, 100 and I'm just looking right now, 100 and 114,000 likes, 23 million views.
It's probably the second most watched video I've ever done.
And it's me doing it.
And it's a guy in the executive office of the White House.
So there's a lot to say about this.
There's a lot of citations.
Tell us, James.
Tell us the whole story, James.
From beginning to end?
Yes.
We have a lot of time.
This one is super interesting.
Well, you know, a lot of the biggest stories we get are just meeting people on dating apps.
And, you know, it's been about a year, Charlie, since I was fired from the company I founded.
About a year to the day almost.
What is it?
February?
Yeah, almost a year to the day.
So I'm trying to inspire people.
And sometimes as a leader, you have to do the thing yourself because you can't ask other people to do the thing that you're not willing to do.
And everyone in there, and I'm sure you get this all the time, but in my business, people are like, well, I can't do what you do, James, because I'm too recognizable in Tucson or I'm too recognizable in Long Island.
So I thought, what better way to show those people up than to have James O'Keefe meet with a guy who works with the White House?
Because now those people have no excuse.
Well, what's their excuse going to be?
And half of the comments on the video are like, they can't believe the guy didn't recognize me.
And we'll get into that.
So I decided to just prove to people that it can be done and it will be done because if I can do it, anybody can do it.
So you go on Hinge?
I think we're going to go on a lot of the ones.
We do all they have all the different ones.
I think this one was actually Tinder.
This guy actually, this guy, I have his profile.
He's now taking it down.
And he works in the Biden White House.
Is that right?
He works in the executive, the White House cybersecurity policy analyst and foreign affairs executive office of the president.
So EEOB, the executive office?
Yeah, the executive office.
So he's part of what they call the deep state of the administrative.
He's in the Eisenhower building right next to the White House, which is that is considered the White House.
Yes.
And he supervises two federal agencies, USAID and the State Department.
He worked at the State Department four years, goes to Harvard Kennedy School, went to Georgetown.
He's not a stupid guy.
He's a high-up guy.
But in Washington, D.C., Charlie, people are very, you know, for lack of a better word, narcissistic.
They're very focused on their own grandiose identities.
And usually I don't, in a video, put my tradecraft, but I actually left in the part where he's like, enough about me.
What about you?
And I'm like, my life isn't interesting.
Okay.
I work in publishing.
Not false, but you're like James Bond.
And he's like, oh, stop.
So it just goes to show you that people just want to talk about themselves.
So just so everyone understands, because James is dancing around this a little bit, this is a powerful, very in the White House gay staffer.
Yeah.
Yeah, he's gay.
And I, and so you're on a date with him.
Well, I suppose he thinks that.
No, I know that you're not.
Yeah.
It's kind of funny.
I'm 0% gay.
I'm 100% confident in my own masculinity.
I will do anything to get the story, though.
And I'm a thespian, right?
Anything?
Well, we don't touch people.
I didn't even hold, I didn't hold the guy's hand.
But Charlie, you know I'm a thespian.
I've given you a hard time.
And you've played into it, I've played pimps, drug dealers, traffickers, homeless people, telephone technicians.
But if you look at this video, I was dialed in.
Oh, yeah.
In other words, what's going through my mind is when he starts talking about what we can't say publicly, that's the story to me because it's the lying.
It's him saying, we can't talk about this publicly.
I say, but what have you heard?
He says, well, I've heard a lot of things about Kamala Harris, Joe Biden's mental abilities.
He talks about being in a meeting with Michelle Obama.
And while this is happening, I'm just completely dialed in.
And I'm thinking about the headline as I'm sitting with the subject.
That's what's going through my mind in these situations.
I love this on many different levels.
And I do want to play some of the tape here because it's amazing.
And it's the second most viral story of the last year, right?
Yes.
Behind Pfizer.
Correct.
And so here's James O'Keefe, who has millions of followers on social media, super well recognized.
And you just kind of put a disguise on, right?
Sort of disguise.
I dyed my hair gold and put on glasses.
That was it.
Let's go through this.
So his name is Charlie Crager, right?
Yes.
He manages federal agencies and the State Department.
Charlie thinks he's on a gay Tinder date, but he's not.
Play Cut 110.
I work at the White House.
So you're pretty high up in the government.
Yeah, I'm fairly high up.
I'm good at keeping secrets.
And so I manage two federal agencies: the State Department and USAID.
So when you say security, like you're protecting the networks of the federal agency that you give all your information to.
The mission is to protect information.
We are like the president's voice when we go into meetings in terms of discussing and promoting the president's priorities.
So just so everyone understands, this is not an unusual type of staffer as far as willing to talk about their line of work.
Is that correct?
I mean, people do this typically with me.
They just talk and you know.
Just in D.C., there's a fair amount of yes, it's a sociological phenomenon where the way I would put it is there's the Potempkin talking points.
And skipping ahead for a minute, just yesterday, I released the full confrontation of the guy, and I'm like, I'm James O'Keefe.
I take off my disguise, and he has this moment, and he goes into talking point mode.
He's like, the president is very concerned about cybersecurity and has just issued, he starts talking normally like a Washington, D.C. politophile.
But as long as there's a gap between the official Potempkin North Korean-style false talking points and how people actually talk, it'll be very easy for me to expose them because none of these people actually believe in these talking points.
They don't even believe their own propaganda.
That's the story.
They don't actually believe it.
So when you just go into a bar in Washington, and they're all narcissists, they all believe in themselves.
They don't believe what they do.
So that's the story.
I want to play another tape here.
We're waiting for, yeah, let's play this one here.
Let's play cut 111, please.
He says that Biden will be the nominee.
This is interesting.
This is internal chatter that Biden's going to be the nominee and Kamala will be his vice president.
But there was a debate on whether or not they should remove Kamala from the VP ticket.
Play cut 111.
Is he going to be the nominee?
Yes, Mike.
And she will be the vice president.
Nominee.
Yeah, there was a debate about removing her from the ticket, but sadly, we didn't.
She can't keep black staff.
They quit on her in mad.
What was he saying there?
So he was saying, Biden will be the nominee.
Kamala, is it Kamala or Kamala?
I don't know.
Cammy.
Harris will be the vice president.
And then he says she can't keep black staff.
That there was some reporting at the New York Times that a lot of the black staff did not like her, but he confirms this.
He says they all quit on her.
She's a bad leader and they wanted to get rid of her.
But he says, he goes on to say they can't get rid of Kamala Harris because she's a black woman, according to them.
And he's talking about how horrible this is because they need to get rid of them, but they can't because of that identity politics.
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It's great.
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Okay, so I want to play some more tape here, and then we got to go through some of the memes.
The memes are too good, but I want to get through the whole story here because it's good.
This is Inside Baseball here, Cut 112.
Charlie Krager continues on Cammy.
She's not popular, but you can't remove the first black lady to be VP.
Play cut 112.
Kamala Harris is she's not popular, but you can't remove the first black lady to be vice president from the goddamn presidential ticket.
Like, what kind of message are you going to send to like African-American voters?
How would you spend that?
People would be like, what the f ⁇ ?
Like, she's a woman and she's multiracial.
I think that they're really concerned about it.
And then 116, how unpopular Camela is, play cut 116.
Kamala is so unpopular.
The New York Times did an article about how she hemorrhages black staff.
She can't keep black staff.
They quit on her in mass.
She hemorrhages black staff.
Yeah, there's a New York Times article about it.
And boy, they love the blabber, don't they?
So then this is interesting.
Biden dementia, play cut 113.
But with him.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
He's got dementia.
Yeah, wow.
He's definitely slowing down.
They know that he has those issues.
I think so.
They can't say it.
No, no, they've got to, they've got to do it.
Kamala Hemorrhages Black Staff 00:07:27
I'm just telling you what I've heard.
Just telling us what he's heard, and they have to toe the line.
You know, this doesn't shock anybody, but it does.
And by the way, Charlie, there's a debate online.
Oh, this isn't a story that we already know this.
But I don't think, first of all, I don't think everyone does know this.
And second, there's a difference between what we know and what it's verifiably true.
So to have the White House guy say it, I think it's very important.
Well, yeah, of course.
And the acknowledgement that the people in your inner circle, I mean, he's in the EEOB, that's the Eisenhower executive office building.
Those are the people that basically run the entire federal government.
By the way, it's not like this is some intern at the Department of Interior.
If you have a badge in the EEOB, that means you also have West Wing access.
You're in the West Wing almost every single day.
I know it very well.
That is considered the White House.
It's not like BS.
You're on White House grounds.
It's the ugliest building right next to NDC, right next to the White House.
Okay, I want to go to this one.
Charlie talks about how he went to school and he's a spy and he started James Bond, James.
Play Cut 115.
So I got a job at the State Department.
I essentially started at Georgetown and I applied at State and I went to Georgetown for my master's where I studied when I joined the security studies program in the School of Foreign Service.
So when I was there, I focused on like cybersecurity and timely cyber intelligence.
So like usually the like espionage and the spy game that cyber intelligence is.
You really are James Bond, aren't you?
I know.
My grandmother likes to be like, he's a spy.
He's a spy.
My parents are like, you can't say that.
Don't tell me that.
Don't say people.
Don't say the response.
That makes you like a target.
I mean, I just, all kidding aside, what national secrets would he be sharing?
I mean, it's a huge story.
A Chinese guy would come in there and blackmail him.
No, like, you know, a real muscular, you know, gay Chinese guy could get some stuff out of him.
So I want to play more of this table.
We got to get to the memes.
Is this your first Thirst Trap story?
Mine personally?
Yes.
Mine personally, yes.
My staff know.
So, but like when you guys were around the table with the staff and you have the, you found this guy on Tinder and you say, oh my goodness, he works in the EEOB and all this.
Did you guys like cast lots of who has to be?
I'm willing to do whatever it takes, Charlie.
I don't, you pulled straws.
You're giving me a hard time.
I mean, I don't, I don't even, it didn't even occur to me.
I wasn't even, I guess I'm just so in the trench that I don't even think about the implications of that, really.
You know, but I, I, um, the memes are hilarious.
They are great.
And I, again, I want, you're a good friend, James.
You know that.
I can't say something.
It's so much work.
It does.
It's so, I mean, it's can you talk about that?
Yeah, I mean, it's just, I mean, even people think, oh, you just match with someone and meet with them.
It is hundreds of hours of research and recon and facial recognition software and matching and verification and surveillance.
I mean, it is, and then you have the technology aspect because this is guerrilla.
This is not a staged production.
This is guerrilla style filming.
The hidden cameras are temperamental.
You have to have redundancies.
I mean, they call the cops on you.
If you say the wrong word, you might be breaking the law.
This is hard work.
So I'm dialed in.
It's not like, you know, is it fun?
It's more just a discipline, Charlie.
It's a focus.
It's hundreds of man hours.
And then finally, one of my colleagues goes, James, this guy's working.
This is why he's working in cybersecurity.
And then it occurs to me, even my meeting with him is a story, regardless of what he says.
100%.
I did not expect him to open up and sing like a canary.
That surprised me.
I think that's so well said.
And again, you deserve huge credit for this.
And it's just, I love your initial takeaway that we're going to reiterate later in the program.
Anybody could do this.
Anybody could do this?
Yes.
Anyone could be able to do this?
Well, they choose not to.
They choose not to.
And so it would be hilarious if I were available.
That would be.
I think you have the discipline to do it.
It's discipline, focus, and I'm not going on a gay date.
Okay.
I'm not doing that.
I'm going to find out some other things.
Understood.
I'm not as well-built as James O'Keefe either.
I wouldn't face for radio.
Let's play Cut 114.
You tell him he's doing a very good job as working of cybersecurity for the White House.
Play Cut 114.
So you work in cybersecurity for the White House.
And my question is, what are you doing on a meeting with James O'Keefe?
Founder of Project Veritas.
Oh, I've heard of it.
Yeah.
We do undercover investigations into people.
What type of cybersecurity operation are you guys running over?
We're running into cybersecurity operations.
Obviously, not because you're running with me.
Did you not do your research?
What is this hook cop clown show you guys running over at the White House?
No, no, actually, I played the wrong tape.
The real tape is this: 124.
This is James O'Keefe.
Oh, God.
This is a great one.
They're about to get in the hot tub.
Trick takes off his Superman glasses.
She goes, Whoa.
Now, James, let me just play devil's advocate.
Why didn't you try to, you know, continue?
It's a split-second decision that I have to make alive in the field.
And you felt like you got to the instinct.
Yes.
It's not a linear or scientific process.
It's more of a dark art.
And at a certain point in space and time, I have to say it's time to end this.
It's a certain moment that instead of trying to meet with him again.
Well, I could also compromise myself if I do that.
It could hurt the operation if I do that.
It could endanger me if I do.
There's a whole bunch of.
What do you mean?
Well, sometimes people get violent.
Sometimes people, I get compromised.
I get burned.
So it's an instinct thing.
Some people say, well, James, you should have slept with him.
I don't do that.
I don't cross ethical lines.
See, James, I wasn't going to say, James, why didn't you go to the third date?
I wasn't even going there.
Yeah.
Okay.
I was just, I said another meeting.
A lot of things, logistics, scheduling, and limited resources, many different reasons, in addition to the ones I said before.
So, James, you, I just, all kidding aside, and again, I can't compliment you enough because, you know, you didn't have to do this.
You have a team.
You got journalists and all this, but you kind of love the game, right?
I do, and I'm good at it.
And you are absolutely.
And to be perfectly, it's going to sound a little arrogant, but I'm very good at it.
I'm still.
Arrogant.
You've invented.
No, it's only that.
You're the inventor of the meeting.
20 years of experience, I'm still the best in the game at it, and I have to do it to lead people to do it.
I have to show people that, listen, I'm not going to ask you to do anything that I won't do.
And that's one of the things.
Look, this is going to sound, I don't want to, no, I wouldn't say this wasn't true.
Rush Limbaugh invented AM Talk Radio.
You've invented modern guerrilla expose journalism from the internet era.
Rush Limbaugh told me before he died in person, he said, James, you guys invented a genre.
He's that's amazing.
Rush was a friend of ours too.
And I don't say that lightly because you are the best at it because you've invented the medium.
And I, by the way, you're the number one person.
You want hundreds of people to do it.
The Art of Meeting Invention 00:03:28
I do.
Thousands.
And there will be.
By the way, James, we have a huge audience right now.
Just replug the O'Keeffe Media Group.
We have 10,400 people watching just on Rumble.
That doesn't count all the other channels.
So every Wednesday, you know, 60 Minutes was Sunday.
Every Wednesday, OMG launches a new investigation Wednesday, 4 to 6 Eastern Time.
We're doing a show on spaces and live streaming across all platforms.
And O'KeefeMediaGroup.com is the website, OMG.
And we're growing.
We're building.
And you can support us there, donate, subscribe.
We're building out the paywall.
But every Wednesday, 4 o'clock, Charlie, we're launching a new store.
It's like making a movie every week.
It's difficult.
Martin Scorsese, you star in your own film.
We're putting out a movie every single week.
It's very difficult.
But we have more officials, Charlie, in the deep state administrative state, like this one coming out here shortly.
And it's not just me doing it.
We got other people who are training, equipping, meeting with the subjects, and they're just talking honestly.
And as long as there is, I said, this is a very important point.
As long as there's a difference between the official state talking point and the truth, as long as those things are not the same, there will be ripe opportunity for me to get the cinema verite of them telling the truth unbeknownst to them.
Okay, now we got to go to the memes here.
All right, it's just too good.
It's cut 119 through 123.
And by the way, someone sent me an email.
They said, Charlie, it's clear you're not willing to do everything that's necessary to save the country.
Totally right.
I totally acknowledge it.
Okay, let's go to night one.
There it is.
Okay, walk us to this.
Know your meme by James O'Keefe.
This is Soros' son.
What's his name?
Alexander.
Alex Soros on the right with the glasses.
And then without the glasses, it's just James O'Keefe from Peaky Blinders.
Yeah.
Next one.
The absurdity of okay.
This is the favorite.
Everyone's favorite meme.
This is Dylan Mulvaney.
I actually ambushed Dylan Mulvaney back in April at a hotel in LA.
Oh my God, tell me more.
And people are like, James, your flamboyant gay accent is really good.
Zero percent gay, but you know, I'm a theater guy.
I was the cowboy.
Not that there's anything wrong with it.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I pick like cowboys, pimps, drug dealers.
I can play any part, but only to get the story.
So that's Dylan Mulvaney with the Bud Light.
Next.
What else do you got?
That's just, this is just the absurdity.
You got to zoom in on that one if you can.
The absurdity of just literally all it is is a pair of glasses.
It's, it's just.
So do you know, do you know?
No, I know.
Now in the White House executive office building, they probably have a big cutout picture.
No, they 100% do.
And they say, if you're on a gay date with this man, walk away.
It reminds me of this moment from 12 years ago when I got offered Eric Holder's ballot.
I went in and said, hey, do you have Eric Holder?
And they gave me a picture of me on the polling location for Eric Kohler.
This is how stupid these people are.
All right, next one.
I love this.
Hi, it's me.
Not totally, totally not James.
Totally not James O'Keefe.
Yeah, I actually, this is, this is, I don't think the guy actually knew who I was.
He actually, Charlie, some people were saying, oh, he went along with it.
No, he did not know.
He just didn't know.
A lot of people don't pay attention.
They don't follow conservative media, et cetera.
So he did not recognize James Okee.
He knew kind of the word Project Veritas, but he wasn't familiar with my face.
Next is James O'Keefe as an undercover gay man.
Eric Holder Ballot Prank 00:16:03
There you go.
Is that simple?
All you got to do is put on a pair of spectacles.
And there I am on the right, undercover gay man.
And really, this speaks to one of the O'Keeffe rules in my O'Keeffe Academy class, which you can buy to learn how to do the undercover work at O'KeeffeMediaGroup.com.
Your manner, the way you carry yourself matters more than your disguise.
The way you conduct yourself is 80% of it.
For those of you who are confused as to why the disguise was not more elaborate.
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James, lots more stories.
And by the way, you have some big ones in Arizona coming up.
You've also, I don't want to, you know, bury the, you know, spoil the lead here, but you have you're cooking stories.
Oh, yeah.
We've done a few in Nogales on your border town in Arizona here and Tucson and Phoenix, and we have more coming.
I think the border, Charlie, is the biggest issue of the year.
And we're looking into all the NGOs here in your state of Arizona that get money from the federal government.
James, also, you have this O'Keefe media group.
It's going really, really well.
And you guys are getting support from the audience.
I want to just ask you some personal stuff just because it's been such a trying year.
Absolutely.
But I think it's a great lesson for everybody.
Here's my theory.
James has heard me say it before.
There was a plan.
They've tried to take out some of our all-stars.
They tried to take out Trump, Tucker, O'Keefe.
That was the triumphant.
You think about it.
You take out Trump on the political vector.
You take out Tucker on the cable news vector.
You take out O'Keeffe, who's the number one all-star on undercover reporting.
And they failed on all three fronts and failed largely thanks to you guys not buying into the BS of the media.
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James, you had a rather viral and personal post on Twitter X about that you're not suicidal.
Tell us about it.
Yeah, thanks.
A lot of people project their fear onto me, and they always say, oh, aren't you afraid for your life?
Are they going to kill you?
And this was kind of like a very personal, very heartfelt note in regards to anybody who projects fear.
And I've chosen faith over fear.
And I'm not suicidal.
And I understand we're messing with powerful people, but I'm also prepared to die.
And I know that sounds kind of macabre and melodramatic, but I'm not, I've been through so many things in my 39 years on this planet that I'm passionate about what I do.
And I wrote this piece, Charlie, because the hardest part about what I've been through, I say it's been an indescribable hell on earth for me to witness good people go against everything right for money and power.
And I've seen envy destroy the hearts of men I thought I knew.
And I think you know what I'm talking about.
And I think that that is the thing that we're fighting, Charlie, not the Leviathan, the enemy.
Those things, I get them.
They're coming, the FBI, the White House, they're coming after me.
But the people, the thing that's in our way are the good people who do nothing or who betray us.
And that is what I'm fighting.
And I wanted to get that through to people.
And it was very personal, but I put it out there.
Yeah.
Yeah, and it's been seen by 8 million people on social media that what you posted there.
And so, James, this last year, I think it was just about a year ago, this month.
Yeah, this week, February 6th, 2022, my board fired me from the company I founded.
2023.
Excuse me, 2023, yes.
That was just a year ago, this week it happened.
And it was the most difficult thing I've ever been through in my life.
I built it as you did.
You know, I understand.
You said it so eloquently.
It's very, it's very difficult to build things.
It's very easy to destroy them.
That's right.
And I know that you're a builder and frankly a blood brother because you and I have been through similar things.
But that was so painful to, just speaking candidly, I'm not going to pretend that it wasn't because it was the betrayal.
And that is the thing that we're fighting against.
It's almost like the enemy is amongst us and it's within people who do nothing or who try to destroy or hurt the people who are doing something.
So that's what I wrote this.
I said, I'm not suicidal, but I'm also not afraid to die.
I believe in faith over fear.
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
Like Clarence Thomas said, if they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me.
But we need to inspire people.
I'm tired of tens of thousands of people sliding into my IDMs complaining about how bad things are.
I want to find the people who are willing to do something.
But yes, that was very painful.
But I'm happy I went through that because it taught me so much about human nature, about myself.
I learned a lot from that.
And I'll be more effective.
And I think it was like almost God purifying things, cleansing things for me, bringing good people into my life.
I got a really solid team of 12 employees right now, and we're growing at OMG.
Are you at a place now where you're thankful for it that it happened?
I am.
It took me until, so this happened February of 2023.
And it wasn't until, I want to say, Thanksgiving.
It wasn't until almost December.
And then something happened.
There was a spark.
An IBM guy came to me through Signal and recorded his CEO.
And that was the turning point.
Honestly, this one.
This is one of the biggest stories of your career.
Turning point, no pun intended.
That was the tipping point.
So Blake and our team thinks this is the biggest story of your career.
And I think he's onto something.
Keep going.
Well, that was a tipping point, turning point.
It was a moment.
I don't know why you didn't call your group tipping point.
It was a moment when the guy was high up in IBM.
And I had these long late night sort of deep throat.
If you're familiar with all the president's men meeting in parking garages, talking to this individual.
And he said, well, I might get fired.
And I said, well, what's the worst thing that can happen?
The people have to know.
And they made the decision to give me the tape.
And that individual still works for IBM.
And then suddenly there was a wellspring of 100 plus people inside IBM that came to me.
And then I realized this is it.
This is it.
And when they came to me, you know what the person said to me, Charlie?
They said, one of the things they said was, I'm so inspired by what Elon Musk is doing.
But a lot of the inspiration came from the fact that I stuck by my guns and I never sold out my principles.
My board at Veritas wanted me to sell out and do things I was uncomfortable doing.
And I took the bullet, okay?
And it was very hard.
And it was the most, it was other than having a loved one die.
It's the hardest thing.
It felt like I was castrated.
It felt like I was a near-death experience.
And the IBM official gave me the tape.
And then suddenly there was 100 IBM employees coming to me.
And that's when I knew that what happened to me happened for a reason.
And, you know, we believe in Romans 8, 28, that for those who love God, all things work out for his good.
And that's a very tough, it's a tough truth in Christianity that God has a plan for all of us.
And even though it might feel bad or bad happens to us, not to say that it's not bad, but it can work towards good and it could be used for good.
I mean, there are no words to describe the pain of working.
You know, you're one of the few men that I know who does know.
You're working 14-hour days, traveling 100 hours a week, and you're raising all this millions and millions of dollars to defend all these people to fight for the country.
And then, if James O'Keefe can get fired from the company he founded, then nobody, then it leads you to, it leads to kind of a heartless, hopeless nihilism.
And that was what I was fighting.
And that is what we fight against in this country, which is it's not the government, it's not the enemy, it's each other.
And that was a very, but it was a, I think it was God detoxing my life, removing bad apples.
And I, you know, and I learned, now I know, first of all, don't hire psychotic people.
Second, if you do find out they're bad people, fire them immediately.
So these are things that, frankly, I think you, I give credit to Charlie Kirk.
I'm not just saying to blow smoke up his ass.
He is a great leader, and you learned these things probably earlier than I have.
But I've always believed in the best in people and I've always tried to empower people and see the goodness in people.
But in this game, you have to be solid, you have to be a good person, you have to have a good heart, and you have to surround yourself with good people.
Yeah, and that's interesting and really deep.
I don't actually always believe in the best in people, which is that's you and I are different.
Yeah, and that there I believe more in a Hobbesian view of human nature.
It actually probably has helped in some way.
It's helped you, I think.
Yeah, no, of course.
It's not always the happiest view of the world.
But if you think that people are fundamentally self-interested and broken and sinful, you can view human behavior differently.
So I want to just brag on this further.
This is Cut 125 from America Fest.
This has resulted now in, I believe, a lawsuit.
I think America First Legal is suing IBM over violations of the Civil Rights Act.
Yeah, EOCC complaints.
Yeah, equal opportunity complaint.
This is a huge story over a major tech company worth over $100 billion.
Let's play Cut 125, please.
There's been 150 people within IBM that have come forward.
150.
I'm going to break something right on your show here.
And this slide says, How does whiteness work?
Red Hat, which is the subsidiary of IBM.
And it says, quote, whiteness constructs the game, hides the rules, then rigs the game over and over again.
It's this slide that they give out inside IBM.
This is the sort of whistleblowing and numbers and big numbers.
I've never seen that before, and it's very encouraging to me.
So, James, I want you to be very clear and direct because every day I get somebody emailing me and like they're, oh, I have this thing.
I'm not a whistleblower guy.
Everyone has a role.
Somebody has a story.
How do they get it to you to be taken seriously, not just into some inbox?
That's well, that's a great point.
I mean, you have to be able to clearly communicate what it is that you have.
So you get these all the time.
All the time.
The source has to be able to describe in a paragraph very clearly who, what, when, where, why, what it is.
That's the most crucial thing.
Yes.
Because they can send it on DM on Instagram on X or Signal.
That's usually where all the people come through.
Or tips.
O'KeeffeMediaGroup.com.
That's lower.
Tips.o'KeefMedia Group.com.
If it's video or documents.
Can we put that, please, on the bottom, guys?
Tips.o'keefmedia group.com.
Just the word tips before the website.
If it's a file that's a gigabyte, you can send it there.
It doesn't matter where they send it because anyone can find us.
It's what they say.
And it's really easy for me because if the individual is able to clearly communicate what they have, that shows me that's a credible tip.
And what was remarkable about that IBM story, Charlie, is that the thing about whistleblowing is that they can fire the person and humiliate them and ruin their life.
But if 100 people at IBM are now coming forward to James O'Keefe, they can't whack all those.
It's not actually a thing.
You can't fire all those people.
It's not going to happen.
And then when I broke that story, the CEO of IBM, Charlie, got Arvind Krishna, who, by the way, is Asian, so there's irony with that.
He holds an emergency all-staff call and he says, do not talk about this James O'Keefe thing.
And then seven people at IBM recorded that and sent it to me.
So he can't fire all of his employees.
So I think whistleblowing in numbers is the future.
It's unification of sources working together.
So let's go a level deeper.
What people might actually be sitting on a gold mine of whistleblowing and not realizing it.
Right.
So let's go through two things very practically.
And I want to spend some time on this.
What is it that they should, for example, that they should be looking for?
Or what is just kind of the general principles?
This is not just for journalists.
This is just citizens.
What should people be looking for?
And citizens sort of have to think like journalists.
And in many regards, they kind of are journalists if they're leaking some material.
The principle is simple.
What is the thing that they're doing that they don't want, the thing their company is doing or their government agency is doing that they don't want to publicly acknowledge that they're doing?
So that we don't want people to know this.
We're hiding this from people.
We can't have anyone see this.
Anything like that is a story as far as I'm concerned.
And don't be shy.
If you don't know if it's a story or not, then send it in, but do it concisely and do it concretely.
But then the next layer, James, of where we really get to critical mass to holding tyranny accountable is not just, oh, somebody said something on a Zoom call and I'm going to record it, but it's you can, you can record yourself asking a question that you think will lead toward that's next level.
That's next level stuff.
Yes.
That's where all of a sudden, if it's legal, for example, if your boss is like a raging racist lunatic and hates white people and all this sort of stuff, and you're allowed to record your conversation, going into that conversation with your boss and recording it, that's more than just documents.
Here's James, here's a document.
That's all of a sudden where you're now.
That's master class, which you can buy on our website and learn by watching me do what I do.
Yes.
And yeah, you have classes, you have the whole thing.
Everybody, I'm telling you, there's a few things where people say, Charlie, how do we save the civilization?
1,000.
The number is 1,000.
If 1,000 people did what O'Keefe did, these maniacs would be on the run.
They would have nowhere to hide.
If we had 1,000 people, 1,000 citizen journalists, what would that mean?
I think it would change the world.
I think we can just start with a few or even a hundred.
But yes, one man with courage makes a majority.
One big reason is better than many little reasons.
One massive story is better than a few.
I mean, Edward Snowden, love them or hate them.
He certainly changed people's perception of the Fourth Amendment and searches and seizures and data collection.
But Charlie is absolutely right.
A thousand people doing this sort of investigative sleuthing and recording would change the universe.
That would make the country quite free.
And it's the ultimate, it's like the final check on tyranny.
The final check on tyranny is that, no, I'm not going to have you do this nonsense at the company or the university.
By the way, the universities are a huge opportunity, James.
Yes, and I'd like to get cameras on some of your students.
Blake has some great ideas.
You should talk to him afterwards.
I will.
It's tough to shock people these days with colleges, but I think Leviathan does not like being challenged.
But what's remarkable about this sort of work is communists hate being exposed.
Hate it.
Sunlight is the most powerful.
And we have a First Amendment in this country.
Article 3 courts are actually, by and large, the least corrupt, I think, part of the three branches of government.
The First Amendment is there and we should use it.
If you're out there, you say, how can I make a difference?
How can I make a difference?
It also, it doesn't need to always be private.
It could be very simple.
Like the Dylan Mulvaney is a good example.
It wasn't the biggest story, but find a powerful or powerful or popular.
Find a powerful or popular person and ask them questions directly.
I mean, there was a guy that his name is Anthony, and he's just a young guy who he went down to South America, got onto the train and went all the way to the border and recorded it.
I've never seen anybody do this.
You got this guy named Nick who's out there infiltrating migrant camps.
These are young guys who are doing this on YouTube, and they're broke.
They're just doing it.
It's amazing.
This is such an important point.
Conscience vs. The Paycheck 00:03:25
This new, and James, you are, you are the first, right?
You are like the Abraham of this.
You are the beginning.
It's not money.
It's not, money is not the thing that you need.
It's brass balls and will.
Now, James, I want you to get a little spice here because I know that you have this as part of your public commentary.
You're kind of annoyed by the, but James, I'm going to lose my job.
Right.
And you do this in a really beautiful way.
But what do you say to that someone in the audience, which is, I could lose my job.
I have to pay the mortgage.
I have, you know, I'm afraid.
I'm afraid.
I'm afraid, James.
Yeah, there was that clip that you saw.
Presbyterian minister.
Presbyterian minister.
I think that I would say, what's the worst thing that's going to happen to you if you, quote, lose your job?
And I think it's very important who you marry and who you're partner with, because you have to have the right core values.
But I find it very ironic that Christians lecture me about how they're going to lose their money and lose their things.
I don't get that, by the way.
I get other people saying.
I don't quite get people who believe in this concept of eternal life.
So don't be, I would say, don't be a hypocrite.
You know, think about why you're here on this earth and really wrestle with what actually matters because I don't even, I mean, I'm a hopeful person.
Perhaps you're more, is it Hobbesian?
Well, no, I'm hopeful, but of human nature, I have a very Hobbesian.
And that makes you a good leader because it's the reality of the circumstances.
Yes, I believe people are nasty, brutish, and sharp.
Well, they are.
And that's the Thomas.
The book is called Leviathan.
But that's right.
My father raised me to believe in the best in people, and I would not be doing what I'm doing had my father not raised me that way.
So I'm grateful for that.
But I would say, you know, the more experience we have, the more wisdom we attain, the more we begin to realize that that line that separates good and evil runs through every human heart.
And we're here for a living.
We're all going to die.
We're all going to die unless Elon changes that up somehow scientifically in our heart.
It's not going to change.
We're all going to die.
So I think that if you lose your job and have to rent a house versus own a house, that you're, well, my children.
Well, I would think that my children would admire their father for having followed his conscience and doing the right thing.
That's the enrichment of the soul.
It's what Solts and Eatson talks about in that Gulag Archipelago book.
And by the way, there's one thing I want to say about that book.
The most profound part was when Soltz and Eatson, everyone's starving to death.
And they go on the hunger strike.
And you know what hurt the most?
Not starvation.
It was watching one of their comrades break the strike and eat a piece of bread.
It's the soul.
It's the nourishing of your soul that matters in this life.
Now, these are very deep things, but this is the time that tries men's soul right now in the 2024 election.
And are you going to be the hero?
Are you going to be the guy that I lost my job?
And by the way, one more thing, Charlie.
Border Patrol Agents, Arizona, one guy said 98% of his colleagues, they hate what they do.
And I say, why do you do it?
They say, we do it for the money.
They do it for the $130,000 a year.
And they can't even look in the mirror at night.
They can't live with themselves.
So there's this tension between your conscience and getting the paycheck.
And ultimately, I say, you have to choose your conscience.
You have to choose your conscience.
It's going to make you feel better.
You're not going to go to hell.
Your children are going to respect you more.
I mean, there's all types of reasons to do the right thing.
But I'm not a philosopher or a psychologist.
Border Agents Hate Their Job 00:02:22
I'm a journalist.
And in the year 2024, we got to get the story.
We got to inform the public.
What are some of the areas people should be looking into?
I think the three biggest areas are: number one, the border.
I think that's the story.
And number two, I think it's election vote counts.
The extent to which there is fraud.
I don't know to what degree.
And there are areas I think people should be focused on in Arizona and Wisconsin and Georgia.
I think it's going to come down to these counties.
Number three, anyone who's trying to hide, anybody who's engaged in corruption in your company, your government, I don't know where it is, but culture, politics is downstream from the culture.
So I think it's border and voting are going to be the two biggest ones in 24.
A website one more time.
O'Keeffe Media Group.
That's OMG.
OMG, the thing you say when you watch this stuff.
I can't believe I can't believe my eyes.
O'KeeffeMedia Group.com.
Every Wednesday, four o'clock, a new investigation.
Send us your tip, tips.o'keefmedia group.com.
Empowering and equipping a movement of thousands of people like you to expose wrongdoing with the support of an in-house team of elite journalists to bring factual, unbiased stories to light.
You guys can go there and you can become a member.
I've become a member.
There's also, it's very easy to navigate.
You have the O'Keefe Academy Masterclass.
You guys can donate support.
You have the covert camera store.
And again, they try to take James O'Keefe out.
Just remember, Trump, O'Keefe, Tucker.
They try to go one, two, three, and they have failed on all three fronts.
Yes, they did.
They tried to take out Tucker.
The Fox News, he's bigger and stronger and ever and has his whole thing.
Yes, he does.
They try to take out Trump through many different ways.
He's bigger and stronger.
O'Keeffe, same thing.
Those are three people.
The bad guys tried to almost all at once.
Boom, boom, boom.
It was like a 90-day period.
They overplayed their hand.
Overplayed.
And now it's time for us to administer justice in 2024.
James, God bless you, man.
God bless.
He's going down to go break a big story.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening.
God bless.
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