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Dec. 27, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Crises Don't Stop for Christmas
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The Eagle Pass Crisis 00:16:01
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We are being invaded every single day.
We are being invaded.
The cartels are doing some evil, evil stuff.
Joe Biden is a traitor to the United States.
Maorkis is a traitor to the United States.
They're allowing this invasion to occur every single day.
Joining us now is someone who has done reporting and is doing reporting on the front lines, Julio Rosas.
I've known Julio for quite a while.
Julio, welcome to the program.
Fill our audience in exactly what you have been seeing and experiencing on the southern border.
Well, I just came back from Eagle Pass last week, and it was the worst I've ever seen it.
I mean, Eagle Pass is a very small town.
And the thing is that at the start of everything, it was usually one sector that was particularly overwhelmed.
And then it would kind of alternate.
One month it would be Eagle Pass, another month it would be El Paso and so on and so forth.
But recently, and as we've seen through people like Bill Melujin and Allie Bradley, it's multiple areas along the southern border.
It's no longer just one sector that's completely overwhelmed.
And I think part of the reason why we're seeing an even bigger surge compared to previous years is because these illegal immigrants know that we're heading into an election year.
And we have someone like Donald Trump who's a frontrunner against Biden and his rhetoric and his actions when he was president.
A lot of people are thinking that if they don't get in now, they might lose an opportunity to illegally come into the country and kind of skip the line should Trump win the White House again.
And so I think this coming year, we're going to see just an absolute total meltdown of the border, even more, which is pretty staggering considering the state that it's been under Biden these past few years.
How many people are crossing every day, would you say?
And what percentage are males?
So, right now, the daily average is over 10,000, which is unbelievable because when you look at what Obama's DHS Secretary said, Judd Johnson, saying that 1,000 crossings per day is a crisis, so we're 10 times that number.
And I would say it's about half.
About half of them are single adult males.
The others are family units or unaccompanied minors.
And so, when you have that many people and when you have specifically that group with single adult males crossing and not being deported and being allowed into further within the country, that's why there's no incentive for these groups to stop because people use WhatsApp, they use Facebook, they use all these social media, and they see their friends and family who've already made the journey.
And so they think to themselves, well, why not me?
And that's why it's no longer just people from Central or South America.
We're getting people from all over the world.
The furthest country I've ever encountered in terms of someone coming over is from Uzbekistan and Russia.
So it's really just a free-for-all for anybody who wants to come.
It's not just people in Central America.
So what is, if anything, Greg Abbott doing to solve this?
Is the Texas government doing anything?
They're trying.
The issue is that you have a state entity trying to solve a federal problem.
And whenever, and we've seen this, right?
We've seen whenever the Texas National Guard puts down razor wire or put in containers or Arizona did the same thing.
They put shipping containers under the previous governor.
The federal government can come in because they are above the state government.
They can come in and say, no, you're not going to do that.
We're going to let them in and we're going to process them.
And unfortunately, the states have really no other choice but to kind of relent to that.
So there has been times when the, as we've seen, especially in Texas, there have been times where Border Patrol will kind of say, okay, you know, the Texas State Troopers, you'll handle this, you know, because like we're too overwhelmed.
But that makes the Biden administration look bad, right?
And that gives kind of an edge to people like Greg Abbott to say, see, we're doing something and they're not.
So unfortunately, we've seen the Biden administration kind of really flex their muscle and say, no, the feds are going to take over.
We're going to do it our way, even though it makes no sense.
So I understand the criticisms with Abbott, and I think that there's some other things that maybe he could try to do to confront it.
But at the end of the day, it's you're having a state trying to solve a federal issue.
And when the feds don't want to do anything to actually solve it, there's not much people can do.
Yeah, so I guess we just have to take an invasion of our country, right?
Yeah, I just think it's so unbelievably morally unacceptable for Greg Abbott to allow this to happen.
It's just, it's unbelievable to me.
So then explain to us the kind of concerted focus that the cartel has here on the southern border.
This is an organized operation, right?
This is not something that's happening organically.
Walk us through the type of activity that the cartel would engage in.
So what we've seen with like the caravans, for example, and it's the Mexican government too.
So the reason why the caravans even form in the first place is because in Tapachula, which is a city in southern Mexico, that's kind of the first major city that these people are coming into first.
And Mexico will hold them for a few months as they process them to give them their own immigration documents.
And so, you know, time over time, that number swells up.
And so when it's finally time for the Mexican government to allow them to go, that's why we see 15,000, 20,000, 10,000 people at once finally leaving and heading to our southern border.
And so then once they start entering into heavy cartel territory, the cartels, I mean, even when we were back in Eagle Pass last week, it was routine at 7 a.m., 7 to 7.30 a.m.
That's when we would see a group of like 800, 600 people crossing.
And then the same thing around 5.30 to 6.30, that's when we would see another large group cross.
And then throughout the day, we get 20s, 30s, tens of people.
And that's very, very deliberate because there are people who pay the cartels and smuggling organizations to not encounter American law enforcement.
Those are the gotaways, right?
And so when you have a consistent number of large groups who are willingly giving themselves up and it ties up all the resources on the American side, the border is wide open for anybody to walk across.
And we've seen.
Uh, pictures and videos of of people, sometimes armed, just strolling through all these branches in south Texas and there's nobody to intercept them, like they'll see them.
The American law enforcement will see them, but there's no, there's nobody to go out and apprehend them, or or they're in an area that's that they're not gonna be able to catch up to them as quickly.
So it is a very big national security concern and the cartel knows this.
Uh, when we're talking about all the different uh terror suspects that have been apprehended on a consistent basis, the cartels, you know they typically would avoid uh smuggling in those people because they know that if something were to happen and it ties back to them, they know the American government and the Mexican government will come hard after them.
But that was before um under Biden.
They know that America is weak.
They know American leadership is weak.
They know that the United States government is not going to pressure Mexico to actually do their job to prevent people from illegally crossing.
So from the cartel's perspective, it's just more money because they'll just charge them more as kind of a, you know, just a way like, well, you're more of a risk to us, so we're going to get more money out of you.
Yeah, I mean this.
This story is, without a doubt, the most depressing story that we cover, because every time I ask people, they just kind of shrug their shoulders like yeah, there's nothing that could be done.
We just have to allow 10 000 people to come into the country and if you don't like it, then you know they'll throw you in federal prison.
Is that basically where we're at Julio?
We just have to wait to the next election, because no one seems to be doing anything.
You know there's lip service.
You know barbed wire can't even be put up without some federal judge coming in.
10 000 people a day, a lot of them Chinese and Russians and foreign nationals were obviously being replaced on a daily basis.
So there's, there's nothing that we can do.
I mean basically yeah, and and that's why this, this next election is uh, is it's you know, I know it's a meme or you know it's kind of uh worn out at this point to say that this election is the most important election?
But i'm telling you, this election is very, very important, and especially its outcome, because I I cannot fathom to see if you know, let's say, Biden or you know, a Democrat continues on for the next four years.
I cannot imagine what this country is going to look like, because even the sanctuary cities are saying that they're overwhelmed.
Even everyone is stretched their limit on just this single issue and doesn't even cover any of the other issues.
When it comes to the economy, when it comes to foreign policy um, you know, the country that you and I have, you know, come to grow up in, I mean, it is completely, radically worse off than it was.
Uh, you know, starting in 2019 2020 um, so I, I kind of hate to be the bear of bad news again um, but that's just kind of the way that I see it, and I, I really can't imagine how how much better things will be along the border should a Democrat remain in the White House.
Yeah, I mean look, in order for Greg Abbott to do it, he'd have to basically say, state of emergency, ignore the federal government, risk federal prison, risk a constitutional secession crisis.
I've think, I thought for a while, we're already there.
When you're being invaded, you need to have high risk, high stakes.
But he doesn't feel that way as a lawyer uh, and it's 10 000 people a day, and our women will be raped and people will be murdered and our kids will be killed by fentanyl.
And crime is going up.
By the way, we're here in Arizona, crime is going up like crazy right now.
So you have these overflow effects right, a lot of them.
They get spread all across the country.
You might think oh, I live in Michigan.
Oh no, they're coming to Michigan too, because then they get flown all across the country.
But all of the second and third and fourth tier effects, our hotels are full of illegals, our airports are full of illegals and they're here to rape our women and to murder us.
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Okay, so some of these numbers are hard to grasp.
I want you to think back to Halloween, which just feels like a couple weeks ago.
The entire population of Wyoming has invaded the country since Halloween.
That's from now till Valentine's Day, another population of Wyoming will invade America.
So since Halloween, 600,000 people have come into this country illegally and they're not getting sent back.
We don't know who they are.
They dropped their passports, many of whom have criminal records.
We showed the video at AmericaFest.
Tom Holman was there and they dropped off all these IDs and Ben Berkwom.
I was holding up Chinese IDs, Chinese Communist Party.
Julio Rojas joins us.
So Julio, do you think that there are sleeper cells and terrorist cells that are coming into the southern border that then could plant dirty bombs, could attack our water facilities?
Who are these people and could they attack the American homeland?
I mean, our enemies would definitely be kind of foolhardy to not take advantage of that, right?
And it's like I was saying before, that the conventional wisdom is like, oh, you know, the terrorist sneaking into our southern border is overblown because the Mexican cartels aren't going to take that risk.
But they used to make, so just put it in perspective, they used to make around half, you know, $500 million a year through human smuggling and trafficking.
And that was under, let's say, the Trump administration.
Under the Biden administration, they turned that into a multi-billion dollar industry for themselves.
And that doesn't even include drugs, right?
So just through trafficking people alone who are willing to pay a premium dollar to not get caught is more lucrative for them in some areas than drug smuggling.
I mean, think about how crazy that is, of how just inverted things have become.
And so that is a big concern.
I'm very concerned about that.
And then when you throw in what's happening within the Middle East, with Yemen and Israel and Hamas, and our continued role over there, yeah, people are going to figure out ways to hurt us and figure out where our vulnerabilities are right now.
And right now, that's our southern border.
So I'm not saying it's a foregone conclusion, but when you even have the FBI director, who is not exactly someone that we should trust, but even he's saying that he's never seen such an elevated terror threat against our homeland in recent years.
So even people within the Biden administration are saying, hey, with everything that's going on right now, we are at extreme risk.
And it's, and then we combine that with the lack of policing in our cities and the over-policing of the federal government when it comes to certain groups that aren't actually threats.
It's a bad recipe.
It's a bad recipe for us right now.
And I'm very concerned, especially now.
Like I said, we're heading into an election season.
And what 2020 taught me covering all those riots was that, you know, people who want to hurt us, they will do everything within their power to do that.
Yeah.
And again, you might have this, you know, this vision of like Lupita Manana, right?
Like this, you know, woman with her baby and she's coming.
And there's some of that.
These are fighting age males, a lot of them, right, Julio?
I just want to reiterate this.
And you look at these IDs, you look at this is an army.
You're being invaded by men that are ready to go to combat.
I mean, it's like as if you're trying to, you're trying to staff a UFC training operation.
I mean, these are strong, muscular men, and there's a lot of them.
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And the numbers just keep getting worse.
Those 12,600 encounters you mentioned, that is the highest single-day total ever recorded, beating the previous record just a couple of weeks ago.
And Eagle Pass is just getting completely overrun.
Take a look at this video.
A contact on the ground there sent us last night thousands upon thousands of migrants camped out waiting to be processed by Border Patrol.
I can tell you, I've spent hundreds of days in Eagle Pass over the last couple of years.
I've never seen the situation that bad there.
Never seen the situation.
And by the way, Julio, final thought.
Just these are the people that we know of, not the Godaways.
Julio.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I've always said that the easiest aspect of the border crisis has been the women and kids who are willing to give themselves up.
But the more sinister part and the more worrying aspect are the ones that we don't see.
And especially right now in places like Eagle Pass, there is not enough law enforcement to try to handle all those people because they're so busy trying to keep everyone in one place by the international bridge.
And so I'm going back to Eagle Pass here in the next week or two.
If people want to support my work, they can go to mostlypeaceful.live and support my reporting there.
But this is going to be a very big issue.
And even let's say a Republican takes back the White House, this is going to be with all the people that have been let in under these four years, it's going to be an issue for a very, very long time.
And it's not going to be an easy way out.
And that's how they want it.
Julio, check out mostlypeaceful.live.
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Great job, Julio.
Thanks so much.
Thanks for having me.
Choosing War Over Peace 00:12:31
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Joining us now is Kurt Schlichter.
Kurt, welcome to the program.
I don't know whether to say Merry Christmas or Happy New Year.
We're kind of in between, but nevertheless.
Kwanzaa.
Yeah.
I mean, what about Kwanzaa?
That's a real thing that exists.
Yeah, Blake is very passionate about the celebration of Kwanzaa.
But the second man, what was it?
The Doug?
He said, happy Kwanzaa.
The whole thing's so fake.
It's so stupid.
Okay, so elementary school teachers who are divorced and live with their cats have to have something to celebrate too.
Yeah, it's really, it's really obviously forced.
Okay, so you have an uplifting book that we all need for this season called The Attack.
It looks really helpful and promising.
Look at that.
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So walk us through this.
Yeah, cheerful.
Yeah, walk us through this joyful piece of literature.
Kurt, go ahead.
Look, after October 7th, I decided that we needed to hear something about what could happen here.
And I leverage a lot of the people that I know in government, in the military, in the intelligence community, to vet what I was saying.
And what I did is I basically turned a military analysis on the threat that we face.
And Charlie, it's scary as hell.
We have a wide open border.
We have absolutely no control over it.
And the enemy is quite serious about causing another October 7th here, but orders of magnitude larger.
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This is a real danger.
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Regular normal people going about their lives and suddenly all hell breaks loose.
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The attack by Kurt Schlichter.
So, Kurt, I would say that the horrific attack on October 7th is definitely one of the top events, not in a good way, of 2023 as we look back on this last year, without a doubt.
And the reaction has in some ways been more noteworthy.
I'm not saying the attack wasn't noteworthy.
I'm talking about in a domestic political way.
We've seen college resignation, college president resignations, tons of money being pulled from universities.
They're shutting down roads right now.
JFK in New York City, you saw protests yesterday, mass arrests.
You see the terror levels increase.
You see defections of the Democrat Party, of the Democrat base leaving Joe Biden over this.
I'm asking you to speculate, but it's an important speculation.
How long does this last?
Is this a lasting 2024 issue?
Is it going to kind of fade away by the summer?
What is your gut instinct and what does history tell us?
Because we have not really lived through an event quite like this where a foreign conflict, I thought Russia and Ukraine was, but it actually did not divide our politics or our domestic culture war nearly as much as the Israel-Gaza war.
Your thoughts, Kurt Schlichter?
Well, look, the horrible attacks of October 7th have really shown that there is a giant gaping schism within the Democratic Party.
You have half the Democrats who are kind of old school Democrats.
They sort of support Israel and oppose mass murder.
And then you have kind of the woke left Democrats who are perfectly happy to butcher settlers and colonists who look at this through the lens of cultural Marxism.
And that, you know, that's a problem for the Democrats.
Republicans, we're pretty much in, you know, we're pretty much opposing, you know, terrorism.
Democrats have to embrace it.
And you look at somebody like Claudine Gay, the diversity hire plagiarist who is the president of Harvard.
And this has helped expose the rot within our institutions.
And we're seeing it all over.
I think it's going to last.
Look, victory has a way of answering questions.
The Israelis are not asking our permission.
They're going to go in and they're going to wipe out Hamas, which I'm all for.
In fact, I kind of find it remarkable that they are as judicious about the use of force as they are, because I know American forces would not do that.
I think it'd be very hard to walk to a mom in Omaha, Nebraska, and say, yeah, your son got killed because we didn't blow down a building.
Instead, we went and cleared it out just in case.
I think that'd be a hard conversation to have, and Americans wouldn't fight that way.
But the Israelis are going to win.
They are going to destroy Hamas.
They have to.
You cannot have people living next door to you who promise October 7th after October 7th.
And when that victory happens, I think you're going to see a lot of the air go out of this pool.
Well, so this is my question, Kurt.
And by the way, I'm cheering for Israel 100%.
Everyone knows that I'm cheering for civilization, not barbarism.
But what I, I just want to, I want to game out one component of this.
We could talk about the college part, which I think is interesting, all this.
But it feels as if Israel is going to win, praise God.
But then the next step is that we're being guilted in the West to take these Gazan refugees.
This seems to be, but it seems to be more and more of a threat.
Is this something you're seeing on the horizon?
I just, they're writing op-eds.
You have other commentators saying it.
Your thoughts.
I think it's a hard argument to make, particularly when our border is wide open right now.
I think the American people are demonstrating that they are tired of being the refuge of last resort for everybody from a problematic area around the world.
And the idea that we're going to invite in a bunch of people from Gaza who are, if you look at their polls, 75% think October 7th was a dandy idea.
They're all for it.
That's suicidal.
And that's what I talk about in the attack.
When you invite people in who literally want to murder you, don't be surprised if they literally murder you.
I don't think it's something that can sell.
And of course, Republicans aren't going to have any of it at all.
But I think there's a substantial number of Democrats who are saying, wait a minute, wait a minute.
I didn't sign on for this.
Okay.
I'm kind of liberal.
I don't mind spending a little money to help the poor.
I want to be a nice guy, you know.
But inviting people in who want to rape and murder you, I think that's a bridge too far for a lot of Americans.
No, look, I want you to be right.
I just, I see these op-eds that the Israeli intelligence ministers are writing that we have a moral obligation to take in the wonderful people of Gaza.
And it's so funny.
In the same op-ed, they'll say, they'll write, these people are terrible.
We can't coexist with them.
And then Danny Dinan says, and therefore the West has a moral obligation to take them.
And there's two ways.
There's one in the Times of Israel and there's one by Danny Dinan.
Now, to be fair, I have received more than a phone call, probably 10, 15, 20 phone calls from people, American and Israeli, saying that's not the position.
That is a bad op-ed.
The Israeli government is not going to guilt the West into taking these refugees.
I'm like, okay, great.
I'm glad to hear that.
You should probably stop writing these articles then.
You should probably stop publishing them in the Wall Street Journal.
So then, Kurt, what is to happen with these millions of people?
Well, look, the Israelis got to do what the Israelis think they got to do.
We got to do what we've got to do.
What's going to happen to those millions of people?
I don't know.
They're going to suffer for a while.
It's called a consequence.
I didn't choose it.
I didn't, you know, we didn't make this happen.
This is the result of a culture that has decided to choose war.
Imagine, if you will, if they had not decided to choose war.
They've got prime real estate on the med.
They have many intelligent, clever people.
The Palestinians, at one time, were among the most educated of the folks in the Arab world, supplied many of their doctors and professors and everything else.
They could have turned it into a paradise.
They could have turned it into Singapore on the Mediterranean.
They chose to turn it into an armed camp and launch attacks from it.
And there's a consequence for that.
I'm hoping that they make a different choice.
But at the end of the day, the consequences of their choices are their own responsibility.
We are not responsible for the Palestinians.
I have no moral obligation.
You have no moral obligation.
America has no moral obligation to care more about the Palestinians than the Palestinians evidently do.
What they need to do is embrace peace, understand that the military, there is no path to military victory for them.
Okay, they're kind of the Chris Christie of this.
There's just no way.
There's no route.
Look, and it's harsh.
But, you know, the world is harsh.
And when you do horrible, horrible things, like turn your entire plot of land into an armed camp and then attack your much stronger neighbor brutally, employing rape, mutilation, and murder.
There are consequences.
But there is a choice.
You know, if they laid down their weapons tomorrow, Israel would make peace and Israel would help them.
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According to one report, they say it's now time to make the patient comfortable in regards to Ron DeSantis.
I think DeSantis is an excellent governor.
His campaign has been terribly run, and the numbers, I think, speak for themselves.
Kurt, where do you stand on this?
Your analysis of us now only a couple weeks out from the Iowa caucus.
Well, you know, Charlie, tomorrow I actually have an article coming out about the DeSantis campaign, and I disagree with you.
I think he's run effectively the only campaign he possibly could, because what he's doing is running against a guy that most Republicans like, even most DeSantis people like Donald Trump.
And in fact, most Donald Trump people like Ron DeSantis.
They just seem to prefer Donald Trump right now.
Now, I think Ron DeSantis has to go to Iowa and maybe he wins Iowa and that maybe changes everything.
I don't think it is, I don't think it's time for him to drop out.
I don't think it's time for Nikki Haley to drop out.
And, you know, he terrifies me.
But The problem for a guy like Ron DeSantis in his position is he's got this very popular guy who is being persecuted completely unfairly, disgracefully, and people rally around him.
And it's a tough fight to win.
I think he's done the only things he can do.
I think he's demonstrated he's a great leader, demonstrated competence on the debate stage, gone and done the work building up a ground game.
The question is, is that enough?
So I don't think there's one weird trick that Ron DeSantis didn't do or one bad move that he did do that suddenly puts him in this position.
He was always going to be in this position because Donald Trump's just super popular.
The question that a lot of people have: let's say Trump is the nominee.
Who do you think that Trump should choose as his vice president?
Well, not Nikki Haley, because I'm a lot older than you guys.
I've already lived through a couple of bushes.
I don't need one in a skirt.
She is the cutting edge of 2004.
She is a donor-owned corporate shill.
That being said, if she is the vice presidential pick, I'll vote for the ticket.
If she's the nominee, I'll vote for the ticket because that desiccated creepy old pervert of the White House has got to go.
And I will vote for the better of the two choices.
You know, there are a lot of good people out there.
Obviously, Ron DeSantis could be Trump's pick or vice versa because they're both from Florida.
I don't think either would do that anyway, obviously.
But there are a lot of great governors out there.
There's Governor Huckabee.
Governor Reynolds would be an interesting choice for Donald Trump because she supported Ron DeSantis, and that's putting a hand across the aisle.
She's been a terrific governor.
You know, I'm a big fan of Rick Grinnell because, you know, there's nobody better on foreign policy.
And I think that that would be an interesting dark horse candidate.
He'll probably kill me for saying it, though.
Look, I think there's some good people out there, but there's also potential to make some very bad choices.
I don't think you make a choice on somebody who has not demonstrated a governing record of success.
For instance, Vivek Ramaswami, very, very bright guy, has a lot of ideas, but he hasn't shown that he can execute as an executive.
Carrie Lake, I like her a lot.
I hope she wins in Arizona, and maybe she will.
She has not been, she's not won an election yet.
She needs to do that before she becomes vice president.
So I think you look for an established person who everybody in the party can respect because we're going to have to look.
This has been a tough primary.
The DeSantis people are mad at the Trump people.
Trump people are mad at the DeSantis people.
And Nikki Haley's off having coffee with a guy from BlackRock.
We're going to have to come together.
And I think that's a really good role for the vice presidential pick.
I think whoever wins needs to pick somebody who's going to help bring everybody together and bring unity, which I am strongly for.
Look, I personally support Ron DeSantis.
You will not find a more active and sincere and vigorous supporter of Donald Trump or whoever the nominee is.
And I think we should all do this.
Never Trump is silly.
Never DeSantis is silly.
It's about winning, Charlie.
I agree.
Kurt, God bless you, man.
Check out his book, The Attack.
Thanks so much, Kurt.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thanks for having me.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening.
God bless.
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