THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 24 — DINKS and SINKS? Taylor Swift: Person of the Year?
In this week’s edition of THOUGHTCRIME featuring Charlie Kirk, Jack Posobiec, Tyler Bowyer, and Blake Neff, the group debates riveting questions like: -Why did TIME pick Taylor Swift as Person of the Year? -What is a DINK, and is choosing to be one immoral? -Is Florida State's playoff snub proof that college football is ruined forever?Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Taylor Swift Person of the Year00:01:48
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Taylor Swift person of the year.
Is it an op?
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Blake well.
Back from Australia.
I got stuck in Auschwitz.
I'm told that's a common problem there.
But my tour group accidentally left me behind.
And so I was abandoned at Birkenau.
And then I also saw, I saw Napoleon in a movie theater built by Joseph Stalin.
It was fitting.
It was a very Stalinistic film in the sense that it went on forever.
And I really, really wanted to leave, but couldn't.
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Happy to be here, Charlie.
We're alive and kicking.
We are here.
All right.
So, first, what is the first story?
First story, person of the year, Taylor Swift.
They had a lot of options they could have picked, but time went with the Swifties.
They are the most important.
Thank God.
Wow.
She pulled it off, boys.
Pulled it off.
She pulled it off.
Pulled it off.
Gosh.
Just love her so, so much.
I mean, just think of all her accomplishments.
You know, her, you know, and then there was the time that she, you know, with the children that she doesn't have.
And the what has she done?
What has she accomplished?
Actually, guys, can anyone name like a she had a really she is the most famous celebrity in the world.
That appears to be what the justification for it was.
It was just well, who determines that?
So here's the opening line from the time person of the year article.
If you guys want to bring it up on screen, if you can, we can show it here.
But Taylor Swift is telling me a story.
And when Taylor Swift tells you a story, you listen because you know it's going to be good.
Not only because she's had an extraordinary life, but because she's an extraordinary storyteller.
So, okay.
All right.
So name some of her best stories.
Can anyone name some of the story story?
There's that story.
Romeo and Julia.
I don't remember.
Love story, I guess is the name of the song.
And she's in love with the guy, but their parents don't like the guy.
Is it her whole genre?
That's Shakespeare's childhood son.
I'm sorry.
That's not her.
Isn't that her whole thing, which is rallying up young women to sing about their misery?
You know, she sings about happy stuff too.
And what she might do.
It's fascinating how she goes from that and still gives off virgin vibes the whole time.
Like, she pulls from every category.
That's not the vibe I get.
Yeah, but that's how parents know.
Parents think that she's like the virgin Mary.
She's totally agree with Tyler.
I think Tyler is like the Virgin Mary.
100%.
Tyler's totally right.
That if you talk to your normie suburban housewife, they think she's like Mother Mary.
And I want my daughter to be like her totally.
And she has a body count that needs an exponent.
Well, and here's the other part that you lay on top of it.
She's not even that attractive.
So like the entire paradox of this whole thing that she's made parents believe that she's like a virgin.
She has, you know, this well-accomplished career of not ever doing anything like that, like you should do in order to be a successful human being on planet Earth.
While at the same time, being really subpart average, like if you didn't know who Taylor Swift was, you saw her in a shopping mall, she would be a four, maybe a five, like on like her best day, like as a normal person.
She's not a four.
No, I'm not.
She's not a five.
She's four on her best day.
Come on, dude.
That's not like tens of millions of dollars put into a jack.
Like it's not, have you seen those memes?
You're not, you're not poor.
She has spent all that money.
If she was normal, Taylor Swift.
I'm not saying she's a 10.
I'm not saying she's a 10.
No, I'm not saying she's any.
Before the millions of dollars, she is a five.
Yes.
A four.
A four.
She's like seven.
If you made a bell curve, probably $50 million.
If you made a bell curve of the women in America in which an average person is five, you would put Taylor Swift to the left of that.
Have you been to an amusement park in the last decade?
Have you been to a movie theater?
Have you been to a mall?
Did you see her mouth?
Have you been to an airport?
She got money?
Have you been in seriousness?
Can I say something about that?
Have you seen the Kardashian Cool Formula?
Here's the real here's the real story.
Here's the real story, though.
The reason she can give off that vibe is she doesn't have a septum piercing.
I don't think she has, does she have any tattoos?
If they are, I don't know them off the top of my head.
Not that we know of.
Yeah, so no like prominent ones.
And like that goes a long way because now she doesn't have a nose piercing.
Like she doesn't do all these things that an extremely large share of women do.
And I don't know why they do it because it's very off-putting, but it's very common now.
And so yeah, you come off very she does have one very large number of things.
Parents think she's the Virgin Mary because she's like the only sheep.
She looks wholesome.
She really does.
And so, Jack, sorry, you're remote.
So sometimes we talk over you.
Jack, the floor is yours.
Oh, yeah.
No, I was just going to say that, you know, we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, but, you know, Travis Kelsey is just really the next addition to the Taylor Swift body count gallery.
The museum will be opened at the end of her career.
You know, when you really think about it, Charlie, I actually agree with you in terms of that saying that whatever the machine makers, the factory mavens there in the entertainment industrial complex who have been working on the career of Taylor Swift, it's like it's like first it was Britney Spears and then that got screwed up.
So they had to they had to shelve that and move to the next one.
Then Hillary Duffs as they tried.
Then she kind of like faded into the shadows.
Then there was Miley Cyrus.
Miley Cyrus, I think everyone understands, was a completely failed experiment.
But with Taylor Swift, with Taylor Swift, they finally got it right.
She didn't go off the deep end.
They were like, okay, don't put her in the Disney machine.
Don't put her in the Disney box.
Something goes very, very wrong with girls when you put them in the Disney box as young girls.
We later found out with many.
Ashley Simpson, by the way, is a huge example of that.
Ariana Grande has some names that she should probably name Dan Schneider, his feet fetish, and many others.
But with Taylor Swift, right, she was able to kind of avoid all of those normal pitfalls that seem to encumber many, you know, young Starlet, I guess the name would be, young Starlets as they're on their way up.
I mean, I think she tried acting once or twice, but didn't really take off.
And we have that, I don't know if we have that clip, but there is that clip speaking of her acting of when she you guys remember this thing when she went off on Marsha Blackburn, I guess, in this documentary, quasi-documentary, talking about how, oh, Marsha Blackburn doesn't have Tennessee Christian values, which, you know, by the way, Taylor Swift, you're from Redding, Pennsylvania.
You're from like 30 minutes away from me in the Northeast.
You're not from Tennessee.
You're not from the South.
I know.
Like, you're not.
You're not from that.
She's actually from Why I'm Missing.
She's just next to Redding.
Do we have that?
Do it's cut.
So, so anyway, all right.
Before we get into the cut, before we get into the cut, I think we should explain why it is that, you know, that why this matters and for a number of reasons.
But my theory is that they are going to be turning Taylor Swift into a ballot harvesting operation and turnout mechanism for the Democrats in 2024.
Whoever their nominee is going to be, looks like it's going to be Biden at this point.
But yeah, just like Oprah was in the past, like they tried to do with vote or die and Madonna, even before that, right?
This is going to be a whole new level of operation because the Swifties represent just a new type of fandom that we've never seen before.
And with the power of social media, they are going to be turned on as like an abortion army to come forward in the 2024 election.
I guarantee it.
Okay.
So I have a couple.
So let's just kind of show 72.
This is a very, I don't understand this.
Here's Taylor Swift, who, you know, she was endorsing Joe Biden, but she did it with these like disgusting Walmart cookies, right?
Back in 2020, as if, I mean, and by the way, is this some sort of thing like I should be in the kitchen making cookies for you?
Is that what you're trying to tell us, Taylor Swift?
Is that like your rightful place is to make cookies or something?
It's a very weird thing.
She didn't make those.
I think it's reading a bit much into that.
Who does that?
It's very strange.
If you're going to put like complicated frosting designs on cookies, they always end up looking like kind of crap.
Am I supposed to believe she actually made those?
I don't think so.
I think this whole thing is an op.
I don't think a lot of people are asking that question.
She definitely wanted to end them.
She wanted to endorse Joe Biden, so she got Joe Biden cookies.
I don't think it matters whether she made them.
It's not cute.
It's not interesting.
I don't find anything she does to be interesting.
But that's the whole society.
She's an op.
She's a created op of the mockingbird.
What I would say is we talk about her all the time.
So we clearly do find her interesting in some ways.
No, no, it's forced on us.
That's not true.
I would never talk about her if this wasn't force-fed by the Masters of the Universe, Time Magazine.
And ForceFed is Travis Kelsey.
Oh, yeah.
Hold on.
You cannot watch an NFL game.
Travis Kelsey for State Farm.
Travis Kelsey for Pfizer.
Travis Kelsey for some random car insurance thing.
Travis, it's like, what company doesn't have Travis Kelsey?
I mean, I'm trying to watch a dang football game, and it's Travis Kelsey for Uber Eats and Travis Kelsey for Subway.
And oh, by the way, Travis Kelsey from Ma'ato, and Travis Kelsey for.
It's like, is there?
I'm telling you, that doesn't happen by mistake.
I'm supposed to believe that all this prescription is.
You're getting this backwards.
It's that Taylor Swift is fanatically, insanely popular.
So she will be shoved into things.
It is not that you're the first thing that Taylor Swift.
So Taylor Swift needs Travis Kelsey.
No, no, no.
The whole thing is a fake op.
I don't know.
Whether the relationship is fake or not.
What I'm saying is, I don't think Taylor Swift, they like found Taylor Swift in a lab and said, we're going to make Taylor Swift popular so that she can then push Democrats.
It's the same way that Dua Lipa girl.
I am guys.
And it's the same thing with Jennifer Lawrence.
And they find people that they can use for cultural type influence.
And Taylor Swift is perfect.
She's a liberal, but she doesn't overplay it in recent years.
She sells.
She's the most popular.
No one doubts that she's popular.
Of course, of course, she's popular.
And she also, she's that demo that they want to dominate, which is upper-middle-class white girls, suburban America.
That's their pathway to world domination.
And she controls that demo.
Of course, we acknowledge she controls it.
I mean, we don't, you know, live on Neptune, but this whole Travis Kelsey thing is so staged, right, Jack?
I mean, you watch an NFL football game.
I remember Erica walks in, she says, What commercial is he not in?
I'm telling you, he's on like Experian.
He does the vaccine thing.
I could you not?
I saw one NFL game and it was three in a row.
I got the list here.
You got the list.
I got the list.
This guy's not that good.
You're right.
He's good.
He's not that good.
You're not really good.
He's not that good.
You're not pretty good.
He's not that good.
He's not that good.
He is probably the second most notable player on top team that has won like two Super Bowls.
Okay, first of all, without Patrick Mahomes, he would be a very average tight end.
Very average.
But he has Patrick Mahomes.
He's not Gronkowski.
He's maybe the Gronk was in a million ads too.
And he had Tom Brady.
Hold on.
First of all, Gronk is different.
He's objectively funnier and more interesting than Travis.
Travis Kelsey's a goon.
Okay, how many commercials do you have of him?
You ready for the list?
And by the way, George Kittle is way better when he plays for the Fortnite.
Accelerator, Active Energy, Lowe's, Campbell's Chunky Sea.
This is not normal.
Bud Light, of course.
Nike, of course.
Pfizer, of course.
Direct TV, Tide, Old Spice, T-Mobile, Sleep Number, Hy-V, Dick Sporting Goods.
Okay, counterpoint.
Travis Kelsey has had a way.
Travis Kelsey has had seven straight thousand-yard receiving seasons.
Okay, I'm not saying he's bad.
Does it warrant this kind of cultural magnetism?
And by the way, oh, it does.
Okay, so you go from just come on.
Like, he's an he is a he is, like I said, he is the second most high-profile player that's on.
He created it.
Okay, you're trying to tell me that Travis Kelsey is more high-profile than Aaron Rodgers.
Probably not, but Aaron Rodgers is also in a million ads.
Hold on a second.
He also signed with CAA, which is like the Death Star.
Also, Aaron Rodgers and more ads, except Aaron Rodgers is weird.
And hold on, Aaron Rodgers goes into the woods to do it.
I can name five NFL players with more name ID than Travis Kelsey, but they created it.
Travis Kelsey, who's what I'm getting at.
And I know Blake hates it when we go this deep because it's not a conspiracy.
It's totally a conspiracy.
Travis Kelsey is an op.
He's an average football player who happens to have one of the greatest NFL quarterbacks ever.
And then you have Taylor Swift, who's also an op who sells out audits.
And I'm supposed to believe that, oh, a love story.
I just happened to stumble into Mr. Pfizer, Mr. State Farm, just in time for the 2024 election.
I don't believe it.
Mr. Pfizer.
Just in time.
The Pfizer thing is up for the 2024 election.
It's 100%.
Let's bring it.
He's 100% of 2024 get out the vote operation to go through middle America to press the magazine, try to win single women all under a Pfizer's pharmaceutical regime so that we live in a dystopian hellscape job.
All right.
All right, Charlie.
Yeah, but here's the point, though.
Maybe because he did the Pfizer commercial, that's what actually opened up him to dating Taylor Swift.
So Taylor Swift is like, I'm only going to date people who show up in Pfizer commercials.
But Travis.
So he was limited to.
She was limited to.
First of all, Travis has been accused of being a man whore by a lot of other women.
So that would make him more attractive to other women.
Now we're talking.
Yeah, but he's more attractive to Taylor.
He's vaccinated.
A lot of women.
I know.
He's quadruple vaccinated.
Yeah, so not a pure blood.
Jack, do you agree?
This is all an op.
It's so fake.
It's so fake.
This is the fakest relationship since Harry and Megan.
It's like you see the two of them together.
There's no chemistry.
There's zero.
They actually have negative chemistry, negative Riz.
When you see the two of them together, you're like, what is this?
I've seen faker relationships, you know, on like one of those, one of those, you know, broadcast dating shows than I've ever seen on one of this.
This is ridiculous.
This is so horrible.
And what I'm telling you, it's like, oh, we're going to be two celebrities.
We're just going to rule the roost together.
It's like, we need to, they want to be the white Beyoncé and Jay-Z.
But at least Beyonce and Jay-Z actually do have chemistry together.
When you see them together, you can tell they're in like a real relationship.
These look like two people that are on benzodiazepam the entire time.
And like they have, they have that like they might bride smile that you see, like, so good to see you.
They do that weird, like, they do that weird thing, right?
I don't quite have a name for it yet, but it's very millennial and it's sort of an up.
It's kind of like up talk, but it's like when you can tell that they're lying, even though, because it's under speech, so they're speaking under their breath.
So good to see you.
It's really great that you came.
I'm glad that you're here.
It's, it's, it's this really weird intonation, and it drives me completely nuts when people do it, separately from vocal fry, which also drives me nuts, but for different reasons.
All right, let Blake.
I'm just wondering how much of this are you?
Like, I haven't actually seen much footage of Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift together because I don't follow this.
I'm supposed to be.
I'm mystified by the world.
I'm just watching all these ladies.
Blake just changed out under a bench.
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I'm supposed to believe he just organically out of love flew down to South America to be with Taylor Swift.
No, no, no.
It's an op.
Somebody called her out essentially.
The whole thing is very strange.
He goes to the concert.
He wishes that.
I'm telling you, somebody at CAA, somebody at the Creative Arts Agency said, oh, I think I see it.
Middle America MAGA country that likes their football, their beer, and they have this, you know, childless dink.
And we're going to put them together and sync, sorry, creative arts agency, which, by the way, is like the Death Star.
And we're going to combine it.
And it's going to be good for business, good for Pfizer, good for all these things.
I want to play this.
Here is Taylor Swift very upset about.
Oh, by the way, Eva Vladimir Dingerbrook is going after Taylor Swift.
Good for her.
Play Cut 87.
Comes out against Trump.
I don't care if they write that.
I'm sad that I didn't two years ago, but I can't change that.
I'm saying right now that this is something that I know is right.
And you guys, I need to be on the right side of history.
And if he doesn't win, then at least I at least I tried.
Yo, here's the problem.
I just want to read you what I wrote, and I'm going to try to start.
I just really want you to know that this is important to me.
This is something that I have an issue.
Have you experienced it?
Yes, I've read the entire thing.
And the bottom line right now, I'm terrified.
I'm the guy that went out and bought armored cars.
I worry for her safety as much as anybody does.
Maybe more.
It really is a big deal.
She votes against fair pay for women.
She votes against the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act, which is just basically protecting us from domestic abuse and stalking.
Stalking.
She votes.
She thinks that if you're a gay couple, or even if you look like a gay couple, you should be allowed to be kicked out of a restaurant.
It's really basic human rights and it's right and wrong at this point.
And I can't see another commercial and see her disguising these policies behind the words Tennessee Christian values.
Those aren't Tennessee Christian values.
I live in Tennessee.
I am Christian.
That's not what we stand for.
I need to do this.
I need you to just, I need you to forgive me for doing it because I'm doing it.
No, we stand for it.
It's like you could see the cue cards next to the camera as she's reading off of this.
That's honestly some of the worst acting I've ever seen.
I have no idea.
You know, if CAA is going to sign her for anything, you think they send her to like a couple of acting lessons first before they sign her for something like this.
It's ridiculous.
I can understand why Hollywood doesn't want to work with her.
She doesn't actually know how to read lines.
But we used to have this.
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I had this theory called Yellowstoning that I talked about, you know, for a while.
This idea that they would take somebody like a Kevin Costner, like a show like Yellowstone, and then use that person and their, you know, their stature, their weight, their influence with a certain audience to mobilize them towards progressive ideals.
So they started slipping like these progressive ideas, woke characters into the show Yellowstone, of course, using Kevin Costner.
Then they also used Harrison Ford for this in one of like the spin-offs there.
You're starting to see they did a Sylvester Stallone one.
So this is kind of like a similar psyop that's being run.
You know, Charlie, to your point, it's on Middle America.
And so they're taking people who I would say have the aesthetics that would appeal to middle America, but then shifting them, nudging them into a you know, into these liberal beliefs.
And that's what you see.
Obviously, Taylor is very poorly doing so because she's beating you over a hammer with it in that scene there.
But again, it's this is the exact same type of playbook that they've gone to again and again and again.
But because they have social media now, they have the ability to create their own marketing empire through it.
I just, I just can't get over that it's Times Person of the Year.
They've given it to Hitler, they've given it to Stalin, they've given it to Putin, they've given it to every U.S. president that I can think of.
They targeted Trump.
They gave it to Trump.
Yeah, Trump.
I mean, you know, it's not morally the best person.
It is like the most important person of the year who captures the themes of the year.
And you pick Taylor Swift because she's a big celebrity.
Okay, like even if her concert is the biggest concert tour ever, even if she's the most successful singer entertainer ever, even if she is forging new frontiers in that, is that the biggest theme of 2023?
So, no, it should be.
But then they say, well, who would you have chosen?
I think Elon.
It's not even close.
I think you've got to pick.
I think you'd either pick Chat GPT.
You know, half the time they do like the entertainment of the year.
I think AI would have to do it.
I think AI, you either have Chat GPT or Sam Altman if you need a person, but you pick AI.
No, AI would have been legit, like, because that actually AI is changing our world.
Yeah.
So by the way, Elon, hello.
Look at what I mean.
I think Elon would have gotten it if he hadn't gotten it two years ago.
Elon did you can get it more than once.
Yeah, you can see it bigger now than it was, but they haven't.
I don't think they've done a rerun other than Taylor Swift had it in 17 in ages.
No, no, Taylor Swift in 2017, they gave it to like all the women of Me Too.
And Taylor Swift was one of the co-woman of the year.
And in 2006, they gave it to everyone.
So I guess she had it three times then.
Didn't they?
Really?
Yeah.
They said you were the person of the year because YouTube took off in 2006.
Yeah, no, AI would have been interesting.
That would have been actually legit.
If not, AI, I think you could also say like Jack Smith or the process.
No, think about it.
Like the big theme of this election is this is the year where they're using every extra judicial.
He could deserve it next year.
No, I'm saying you're throwing it too far ahead.
Yeah, it has to be a little bit of what the year was defined as.
Who but Elon has defined this year, right?
Anyway, we could debate it, but last year was Zelensky, right?
And by again, I just want to be Andrew, by the way, I think I've converted Andrew.
The best evidence that this is an op is Travis Kelsey signed with CAA in May.
Jack, can you tell our audience what CAA is?
It's run by Ezekiel Emmanuel, right?
Or Ari Emmanuel?
One of those Emmanuel brothers.
There's Ram Emanuel, Ezekiel Emmanuel, and Ari Emmanuel.
They're like the Death Star.
And I think it's Ari Emmanuel, if I'm not mistaken.
By the way, CAA has this huge headquarters in LA.
It's very creepy in Century City, and they represent all the A-list celebrities, all the A-list celebrities.
In fact, Jordan Peterson was once represented by them.
They dropped him.
And makes you think.
You can go to CAA.com.
Yeah, the main knock on CAA is that they were basically and essentially Harvey Weinstein's talent agency.
And so this was the one that took Weinstein and made him sort of this household figure that put him behind, and it is, yeah, Zari Manual, and went through all of his films.
And then all of the actresses that he worked with, by and large, were okay, not every single actress or actor that he worked with was through CAA, but this was his preferred agency.
And everybody sort of knew this.
Basically, that if you made a negative comment about Harvey Weinstein, they were also, they're also kind of Harvey Weinstein's enforcement arm when he was basically a sheriff of Hollywood, where if you made a negative comment publicly or privately about Harvey or about anyone who was part of CAA, you were done.
They just blacklisted you.
You were completely out.
If you did anything on, you know, and this is prior to the Me Too movement.
And so it's interesting, by the way, that CAA comes up again because as we said before, so there's this confluence between Harvey Weinstein, CAA, Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey.
So all of a sudden, who's in the driver's seat again?
It's still Hollywood.
They got rid of Harvey, but that doesn't mean that they got rid of the system that put Harvey in place.
Now there's just a new person who's the boss of the entire system.
And yeah, this is the major one.
When you're, you know, when you're talking about your A-list celebs, you're, you know, the people who basically, when you read all those magazines, those tabloid magazines about celebrity relationships and this couple was seen here on the yacht and this thing went on.
That's all part of what the agents are putting together, what they want to put out.
And yes, there's lots of, you know, really scummy agencies out there.
There's independent agents out there.
Of course, everybody's heard these terrible stories, the casting couch, et cetera, et cetera.
But CAA is the big dog, the top of the heap for every single one of them.
I guess I could see if anyone's going to have all of her personal relationships be an op, I guess it could be Taylor Swift.
She's a mastermind of publicity, which I guess the fact that we've talked about her endlessly for the past six months is proof enough of that.
But I don't know.
I think it's deranged when it's like, okay, so these, you know, we're going to go sign Travis Kelsey to a new agency because we're anticipating that Trump will be the nominee next year.
And then we need to have Taylor Swift be really popular so that she can tell people to not vote for Donald Trump, who, by the way, we're also going to knock off the ballot through all these other mechanisms.
It's just, I think we are overestimating the ability for things to be centrally planned by anybody, to be honest.
I think if you want to say her relationship's fake, I could buy that.
Celebrities have fake relationships all the time.
And but the point is, is she just shouldn't be person of the year because that's weird and strange and deranged.
But we have another topic, but first, Jack, do you want to do our read?
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Do you give diapers to people for a Christmas gift?
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That makes a lot more sense.
Yeah, just I'm imagining like you run down, it's like a Christmas story, and you know, instead of the little red rider, he opens it and there's just a bunch of diapers in it.
Honestly, though, like parents, you know, maybe like grandparents to parents, that kind of thing.
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But you know, people who are not going to have diapers is topic number two.
We have to have a conversation about the dink question.
Wait, can I just say, can I just say that, Blake, that was a fantastic transition.
That was really good.
I do my best.
I am learning.
I'm learning.
And so the dink question.
Dinks.
Dinks, the dunks, the dunks.
It's the dinks.
Dual income, no kids.
They've existed forever, but now they're going viral because we have the national affliction known as TikTok and they are making TikToks about it.
So we have to show some of those TikToks.
I believe the first one we have here is number 79.
So let's get the conversation going with that.
Why is nobody talking about being dinks?
Well, I'm freshly married and I'm going to talk about it.
Here's our life as dinks in our early 30s.
No shocker here, folks.
Today we went to Costco.
We don't have kids to feed, but we got lots of money to spend on goodies.
Brian always checks out while I get a box and then I sit here and look cute.
Here's the haul, and our total was $252.
The registered game at Costco never gets old.
You cannot tell me that grocery shopping and a fresh slice of Costco pizza isn't a good date night.
I mean, you can tell me that, but I don't believe it.
Obviously, we had car cookies for dessert.
And yeah, I will probably just make this a series now.
So follow along for more dink content.
That woman doesn't have a good diet.
But before we get into the conversation, we have this is again, way too many people are making these.
So we also have number 80.
Let's play that.
We're dinks.
We go to Trader Joe's and workout classes on the weekends.
We're dinks.
We get into snobby hobbies like skiing and golfing.
We're dinks.
We can go to Florida on a whim.
We're dinks.
We're already planning our European vacation next year.
Dinks.
We get a full eight hours of sleep and sometimes more.
We're dinks.
We get desserts and appetizers at restaurants.
We're dinks.
We can play with other kids and give them back.
We're dinks.
We still do it three times a week.
We're dinks.
We spend our discretionary income on $8 lattes.
We're dinks.
We max out our 401ks, Roth IRAs, and HSAs.
We're dinks.
We don't use our kids or dog as an excuse to leave a party.
We just leave.
I mean, three times a week, that's actually not really that.
I'm just going to throw this out there.
You can have kids and still have sex.
I'm just going to throw it out there, folks.
In fact, that's how you get the kids in the first place.
Allegedly.
Well, I mean, at least it's the half step where they're promoting at least a relationship.
So at least we should get that there's a very, you know, three times a week.
There's like a decent odds they'll screw up at some point.
But Yeah, I think the craziest thing that I've noticed since being a millennial and Jack, we're kind of in that same like age category.
We're just right there, which is like all our friends.
There's a lot of people who have literally positioned themselves for, I think, I think the problem is they positioned themselves for over a decade that they're just not going to have kids no matter what.
And so now like the natural progression is that people are getting married now later on.
And that's fine.
Like I, again, I'm not being judgy on like who has kids, who doesn't, when they get married, whatever.
Like, I think earlier the better, great, whatever.
But they're getting married later on in life.
And so now this is like the half step before they have kids.
And my only fear is that by the time they realize they actually want to have kids, it'll be too late because they just like drug out their life for way too long.
Yeah, see, this, yeah, so this ties into the Taylor Swift thing because this has been a knock on Taylor Swift for years at this point.
There used to be this whole meme, you know, this could all kind of be like a sort of deep web reveal.
Blake, do you remember this one?
The empty egg carton meme?
Far too well.
Far too well.
Last egg.
Exactly.
So this was the idea that, and there was a certain YouTuber, former YouTuber, I guess, who got in trouble for, it was Stefan Molyneux, and who posted, you know, these, who just basically went on a tirade on Twitter and was like, look, you know, Taylor Swift is in her prime years for child rearing for, and she's spending all of this time going around, focused on her career, talks about wanting a family, talks about wanting a relationship.
Every single song is about having a relationship.
And yet, there's no actual time that she invests into it.
She just invests all her time into her career and essentially herself.
And so the empty egg cart.
This is like years ago.
This is like five or six years ago that this was going on.
So even then, you know, even I guess she would have been her like kind of mid-20s.
What's she like?
She's like, how old is she, guys?
She's like 31?
33, 33.
I think maybe 34.
She was born in 2018.
She's 33.
Right, right, right.
So she'll be, so she'll be 34.
Wow.
She is 34.
I think this is.
Okay.
I think she's maybe already 34, right?
No, she's 34 next week.
Look at that.
Next birthday.
Well, like to that point, though, like, I think I think the horrifying thing is, and again, that's the important piece that you just, you just hit on, which is that it's not, it's, it's not whether or not you are married.
It's not whether or not you have kids.
It's about the desire and putting yourself in the right place to do those things.
Because there's, I think that the world that we live in today with social media and everything else is like it's it's challenging.
It's actually more challenging, I think, arguably than it ever has been to have a normal relationship.
It's more challenging than it's ever been to have like you can't, there's no privacy to like raise your kids the same way.
There just is you can make the argument you could you could go live in a hole somewhere, but like if you're not on normal social media and things like that, you're a weirdo in the eyes of like regular suburban America.
So like you have to be in the spotlight in some way, shape or form, more than what you are normally, what the normal human being in the 80s or 90s was comfortable with.
And so now you have this issue of, I think this is just, is that people are skittish.
It's like stage fright.
They're stage fright to that.
And I don't blame men for having stage fright to that.
Most of my friends, like I talk to, and I'm not even like, it's like Jack or Charlie here, but like, like you and I have similar things where people kind of become aware of you through different things.
People are like, I want nothing to do with that because I couldn't have, I wouldn't be down with the introspection into my life from like the general public.
I wouldn't like that.
And I think there's an element of that just with social media in general.
People where guys feel like that, women feel like that.
And so they act differently.
And so it adds stage fright so delays that's adding to the delaying factor.
And now you've got into your mind that you've adopted that, like, hey, I'm not going to have kids for 10 years.
I'm not going to have kids for 20 years.
And then you finally do have a relationship, and you're like, I'm sorry, I'm not going to get married for 10 years.
I'm not going to get married for so X amount of years.
And then you finally get in a relationship.
And then you're, that's like the justification.
That like that dink video, that video that you guys just posted, to me, it just like screams like justifying the reason why they're not having kids rather than putting yourself in the position, like Jack is saying, that like you want to have kids, like you want to try to get because the sad part is on the other side of the coin to that, there's so many people in this world that want to have kids that either can't get in a fortuitous relationship, they can't have kids physically for whatever reason because of health issues or whatever.
And like that to me is sad.
And going into that, the you know, these people might want kids later eventually.
But, you know, for a society obsessed with misinformation and disinformation, one of the biggest sources of misinformation out there is actually just about basic fertility.
Yeah.
It's really a lot harder.
It's a lot harder to have your first kid if you start trying only after 30.
Totally.
It's even things that things that aren't well known.
If you have already had a kid, it's way easier to have a second kid, even if it's later.
So if you're having your fourth kid at 35, way easier than if you're having your first kid at 35.
Your body detects these things.
It sort of detects up this person, it's not taking.
It's not going to happen.
And, you know, it shifts, I don't know, do you want to say resources elsewhere and makes it way harder?
And so that's how you have all these people who, you know, they wait for the perfect moment.
And then at the perfect moment, it turns out you have to spend $70,000 on fertility treatments.
Or they're just sad the rest of their life.
Or they're sad.
And it's really sad.
I've had, I had some friends who had, who did thankfully have a kid, but they had issues for a long time.
And so they fell down the rabbit hole that is the infertility community on the internet because everything has a community these days.
And it is really bad.
It is, it is very clear for a lot of people that not having kids, not being able to have kids ruins their lives.
It ruins their relationship with their parents.
It ruins their relationship with their spouse.
Even if it's not because of a choice, even if it's only due to a biological thing, it just totally destroys people.
I guess the other interesting flip side of it is this is we are living through the first era where really not having kids is a choice you can just easily make.
So you'd only have reliable birth control from about the 60s on.
And I think you have a hangover of a few decades where it's still so abnormal to not have kids if you marry that it's still just everyone does it.
Well, that's the interesting part.
It's like we're in the era again, and people talk equate this all the time.
We were talking a little bit about this with Rome and everything else.
Is we're in the era of lifestyle choices, right?
Where lifestyle choices are so simple and so easy because we live in such a society that lifestyle choices are easy.
And these are problems that are created, that are generated because society is so simple.
And it's interesting because, you know, the forces of natural selection being what they are, we are now going through a selection process of the only people having kids are the ones who choose to have kids and like having kids.
So it's kind of good news.
I guess in 50 years, being parent, being a parent will be better because everyone will have selected for I love having kids.
How's that worked out in Europe though?
Well, you know, it's interesting thing about not even just Europe, South Korea, South Korea, their fertility rate is down to 0.7.
So the average woman will have 0.7 kids.
That means in two generations, 100 people gets down to about 12 people.
Yeah.
And it's going to be really interesting if that pattern holds a long time because your population is going to get massively shifted by what are the choices and life patterns of people who actually decide to show up for the future.
And that's who the future goes to.
Who shows up for it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so this is a huge thing.
But, but also, when you really think about it, you know, the type of demographic that, you know, going back to the Taylor Swift setup, you know, it's, and I'm just going to say it since we're here on Thought Crime.
You guys played all those videos.
We talked about Taylor Swift being a huge, huge part of this.
That was my contention earlier this week on Twitter.
I took a lot of crap for it, but I said, you know, prove me wrong.
Prove me wrong that Taylor Swift is not promoting a double income no kids lifestyle, even though she's not married.
They said, and the Swifties were like coming at me, claiming, oh, it's not her fault.
It's, you know, the fault of all these men and all this.
Yeah, okay.
All right.
I got it.
And so the, you know, I guess the big thing that I would take away is, is, and Blake, to your, to your point as well, like, have you noticed that all of the viral videos on the dink thing, they're all white?
Yes.
You notice that I haven't seen any of these promoted, or at least, you know, I'm sure there are dinks that are not, but the ones that seem to be getting promoted the most algorithmically are white.
Funny how that works.
Well, bluntly, I think they are the ones who often choose this.
Like, I mean, the gay community is all dinks, right?
Yeah, the gay community is all dinks.
They're very white.
That's not true.
That's not true.
That is not true.
There was a lot of gay adoption.
There's a decent amount.
Not statistically.
And like, you know, and for like statistically, it's like, okay, it's like tiny.
And like, and just in terms of deliberate childlessness, it does frankly seem to be a very, you know, upper class white people phenomenon.
Asians too, I suppose, but upper class Asians are just sort of considered white by so the first time I ever heard of this was in China.
Like 10, 15 years ago, the first time I ever heard of dink, this was all the rage in China when I lived there that they were saying, oh, yeah, double income, no kids.
This was a thing, double income, no kids.
And then they were even, and keep in mind, China obviously is a country that at the time was promoting population degrowth, population or depopulation agenda, I guess.
So the one child policy.
And then even in China, the idea too was for tax purposes and for career and income, they were so hyper-focused on this.
So like there's this sort of, you know, kind of old school conservative belief that China is like this hyper-Marxist society.
But no, it's actually kind of the opposite.
Like they are intensely career focused and intensely competitive in terms of career and ranking and income in China.
You know, they're almost more hyper capitalist than we are in certain ways.
Certainly not, you know, democratically.
And, you know, they have, they don't have any of that going on.
Stalin Taxes on Childless Families00:02:53
But in terms of economy, yeah, yeah, they really are.
And so they had this total normalization of people being married and then living in countries or cities all over the country.
So you wouldn't even see your wife or your spouse unless you were basically going home for Golden Week, which is like their holidays.
So like you'd see your wife on the holidays and then that was it.
So there wouldn't even be an opportunity to have kids.
And so they would even take it to the next step and say, okay, we're married.
We are double income for tax purposes, but we don't even have like a real normal relationship in any meaningful way because it's all long distance.
And this is was promoted in China.
I think it's really interesting.
It just reminded me of this is that Stalin, since we invoke Stalin's name here, Stalin actually taxed people for not having kids.
So they instituted.
I think you could justify that.
And I think it'll be interesting.
If we start seeing serious population decline, we're all kind of wusses about it.
In all these Western countries, we do a child tax credit and it's worth a few thousand dollars a year.
But yeah, what if you just literally had like a single tax?
Well, I mean, but this is the point.
Like Marxists, true Marxists don't want you to be career-driven, right?
True Marxists that want to control, you know, everything that they have, you have to have bodies, you have to have people.
You want families, you want growth, you want them to be busy, not wanting to do extra stuff.
Like, I mean, you heard in that dink thing, and he's like, they're like, we can travel, we can do whatever we want.
Like, that's not what, that's not what the communists want.
Commies want you to be busy, and so you work all day and then you come home and you have to take care of your kids too.
And that's part of, I think, that that's part of like, there's like two sides to it.
So there's no, there's no evading, you know, reproduction.
Like in the grand scheme of like the world, there's no evading children.
Like, there's just not.
You're not going to get away from it.
You're going to be forced into it.
Society is going to force you into it.
The question is, like, how does society raise children?
And, you know, I think, and this goes back to again, the traditional way is like single income, you know, dual roles rather than dual income, single roles is a much better way.
And we are now living in a society where it's dual income, single role rather than single income, dual roles within a household because this is ultimately break, it ultimately breaks up families.
Because again, when you live your own life, you have your own, your own separation.
I mean, this is kind of the conversation I think Tucker talks about all the time, or he used to talk about it quite a bit.
But you know, going back to the start of the world, well, Tyler, I'll actually sorry, you go, Jack.
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You go Jack.
Yeah, I want to follow up on a little bit of what Tyler said there because Tyler, this is something that does play politically for the new right.
This is a huge new right piece of the agenda.
And I wonder, and you and I obviously have talked about this many times.
But if you want to give people an encapsulation, you know, you've talked about it before about how there's a huge opportunity here politically, you know, to focus on these millennials who want to go back to the single income household and then have a family that can be raised on a single household and then creating the economic conditions to make this possible.
JD Vance talks about this and others.
You know, what do you see as a potential political win for if conservatives were to start adopting this language?
Yeah, I mean, I think that the future of what we're going to see is that I mean, I don't think there's any turning the ship around.
I think the gen the attack on gender identity is the satanic explicitness on an attack on the family and specifically wanting to promote more childlessness.
That's, I think that's ultimately where you're at.
Because if you talk about this, we talk, and I was kind of just joking, but like the greatest dink culture that exists within America is in the gay community, right?
Like there's just not that is that is the culture.
And in fact, everybody has a gay friend and every man has a wife.
A lot of us on the show have gay enemies too.
Gay enemies.
Okay.
We're all gay enemies too.
We all have lots of gay plans.
We have gay friends.
Our wives certainly have gay friends and they look at their gay friends.
And I've seen this.
And actually, I have an example of this.
Can I kill you, Jack?
I have an example of this.
A FBI won't investigate.
I have a friend.
This is a crazy story.
I won't get into the details, but I have a friend who is married, newly married, and they were in a gay neighborhood in a big city.
Gay neighborhood.
They're not gay.
They're man and woman married.
Sure.
And I'm sure he tells me that a lot.
And they were thinking about having kids, right?
And they were thinking about that.
But the wife, like, had all these gay friends and loved the dink culture that was within, that was within the gay community.
Not the gay culture, the dink culture, which was like they could go out and do whatever they wanted to do all the time brunch every week.
And her values changed overnight by who she hung out with because she was in that culture of like, I can brunch whatever I want.
I can mimose it every day.
Like, why would I want to have kids?
Like, I'm going to keep delaying it later.
Ultimately, like, she adopted into that culture and they divorced very quickly, very rapidly.
But, I mean, I think it's like a, it's like a real thing.
So, uh, because he should have been person of the year, as Charlie says, uh, or at least second place, uh, we, every time Elon Musk has an opinion, it becomes a story.
So, Elon Musk reacted to this stuff earlier today.
He, uh, if you guys want to bring it up on screen, uh, Elon Musk hits out at viral videos of dink couples saying there is an awful morality to those who choose not to have children.
And I was arguing about this with Charlie earlier because there's a few levels to this.
Like, one, Elon Musk himself is like a step warlord where he's got 10 kids officially with, I think, four different women.
And that we know of.
That we know of.
And I've heard rumors he might have like 40.
Because there are.
And you know the Amber Heard one, right?
I'm not familiar with that specific one.
She has never publicly revealed the father of her daughter.
And we know that Elon and her.
Now, she claims it was just a sperm donor.
However, people know that she was with Elon briefly.
This was so, okay, everybody knows that she was with Johnny Depp, of course, very public.
But briefly after that relationship, she spent some time with Elon Musk when they were together.
Then a couple months after that relationship, she just kind of shows up with this, with this daughter and says, I even heard rumors to that effect, like the sperm donor thing.
I've heard rumors that Musk just straight up will just, yeah, be a donor for people.
He is just a progeny maximizer.
He is not, it's not the carnal aspect that is most important here.
Yeah, this is very, you know, I mean, obviously we know that he is someone who's very supportive of surrogacy.
He's done this.
He had twins, right?
With one of the executives at Nerlink recently.
We know that I believe at least one, if not both, of the children that he had with Grimes were via surrogate.
And so, yeah, this is clearly something.
And then I believe his first, I believe his first wife that he's five boys or five children with, I forget if they're all boys or not.
That was IVF.
So he's, you know, this, you know, we were talking about the infertility community, but, you know, just in the fertility, I guess the vast spectrum of fertility procedures out there, Elon is certainly a huge, huge proponent.
Yeah, think about it, though.
If you're, if you're a genius and you have limitless amounts of money, like you would just more don't do this.
Yeah, you would just like, it's like, it's like parents of athletes, you know, that are like, that want to have as many kids or are pro-athletes that want to have as many kids as they possibly can to make sure one of their kids becomes a pro-athlete.
Have you heard about this?
Like, there's a lot of like the Brown family.
My aunt and uncle used to have a horse farm in Pennsylvania.
And so whenever you had one of your champion horses, you know, you would, you would turn into a stud after it was done.
It's racing.
And so you would basically sell the sperm to the other breeders out there, hoping that you would get a champion.
I mean, this was huge money.
But can I say something that's a little bit thought crimy?
This is like what pro-athletes do.
So, there's an argument that like pro-athletes hook up with all these girls and have all these kids because there's an element here where it's like, oh, it's worth your money because the more kids you have, the more likely that you'll end up with another pro-athlete that comes out of your DNA bank.
Like, this is the same thing.
Like, if I'm Elon Musk, of course, like, just give everybody my sperm.
Anyone that wants to take it, there's like a thousand future Elons.
If you think you're a genius and that you're going to inject all these genius DNA pools back out into the world, this could get really insane once, like, we could have just straight, what if we have an artificial womb?
You don't even need another woman up there.
He probably does.
What if we get to that point where you can just have an artificial womb?
You could just have a rich guy, even if he just wants it with one woman, he could just have a hundred kids.
Two, this is what James Younger was saying.
Yeah.
We could get some wild stuff.
Do you remember?
Was that his name?
James Younger?
Yeah.
James Younger got into it with Libby Emmons over this recently because he was saying that.
And keep in mind, James, this is a guy who obviously went through a lot.
He went through that.
This was the guy who had the divorce down in Texas.
And then she moved with the kid to California.
And they were going to try to do some kind of hormone therapy, you know, transgender sort of thing with the kid.
You know, I'm probably botching the details.
But anyway, it got to the point where he was so upset about everything that he went through that he and Libby Emmons got on Timcast together and he said, look, men shouldn't even, you know, now that we have surrogacy, why are men even pursuing relationships with women at all?
They should just, you should just go ahead and use surrogacy, have kids, bring them in, and cut the woman out completely.
Which I personally disagree with.
Are we talking about IVF?
We're talking about the well, actually, funny enough, inspiration.
Sorry, I had to handle something.
We were talking about how we were talking about how Elon had basically.
So we started with Ding, and then we got to Elon, who's like the opposite of that.
We didn't use that term.
Well, not just, we didn't use the term harents because it's not just harems.
It's that he's like he's like all of the above in terms of like, you know, the way you IVF surrogacy is.
I'll be honest.
I think the point I was going to throw out, though, is like, this is something that Plato kind of talks about in the Republic, where he says that, you know, marriage, you know, for the, for the highest caste, the guardian class, you know, there's only, you know, your spouse will only be for like the duration of the sexual intercourse.
There will be a ceremony.
The best women will be chosen for the best men.
And it, you know, it seems like he's trying to actually put that.
Elon is trending.
And if I ever meet him, I'll tell him this.
He's trending for the story of Solomon, who has everything and he ends up totally insane.
And he also, I mean, one of the most powerful books of the whole Bible is Ecclesiastes, where he basically opens like a punk rocker where the first verse of Ecclesiastes is meaningless, meaningless, meaningless, always life.
And Solomon's splendor was so great that Christ our Lord then repeats in the New Testament, he says, not even Solomon and all of his splendor would be clothed like you will in the next life.
And I mean, Elon's like Solomon.
Like, he's got like 90, like, we know how many women has he had.
Didn't he have like 900 or something?
Solomon or Elon?
Oh, oh, Elon.
I think Elon has like, what, 140 children or something?
So he publicly has 10.
There's rumors he has dozens.
No, I've heard at least I've heard over 100.
I suspect the legend will grow with time until eventually every child.
Yeah, look, let me be clear.
If you're worth $250 billion, there's worse things to spend money on than populating the species with geniuses.
Okay.
So, but it doesn't make your life fulfilling.
Doesn't Nick Cannon have like a done a dozen kids?
There's like a Russian billionaire who just needs surrogates to have.
Yeah, but what athlete has the most kids in America?
What athlete?
Like, didn't Magic Johnson?
Like 100 kids?
Magic Johnson had a lot of things.
I know, but that's how he ended up where he ended up.
He had like, he had.
I'm saying that, but he was just like everywhere.
Everywhere.
Everywhere.
But he had lots of kids, too.
Magic Johnson was athlete with most everywhere in America.
I'm looking here.
Calvin Murphy had 14 children with nine women.
Who's Calvin Murphy?
I don't know.
I just put up on this stupid line.
Sounds like a wide receiver.
Mike Tyson has sounds like a wide receiver.
No, but Solomon is a perfect example for where Elon is going.
Keep in mind, Philip Rivers, I think, is up to 11 or 12.
Is that right?
With one wife.
Oh, come on.
One woman.
Really?
Yes.
Nick Cannon has 12.
Phillip Rivers is a legend.
So he didn't go to the side.
He was one of the most underrated NFL quarterbacks in history.
Yeah.
And he's like a super Catholic.
He married his middle school sweetheart in college.
And they've just, yeah.
Tiffany Rivers.
Wow.
Good for him.
Yeah.
Drew Brees has 90 kids or something.
Right.
That's a lot.
Not as many as Philip Rivers.
Philip Rivers is the legend.
The Vander Holyfield, 11 kids.
Ooh, wow.
That's quite a few.
Didn't George Foreman also like name all of his sons George Foreman?
Muhammad Ali had nine.
But this isn't, this isn't like a there's athletes out there that probably have kids.
Yeah, Blake, it was like George Foreman because he did Junior and then the third and then the fourth.
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They were all 12 children, five sons and seven daughters.
And his five sons are George Jr., George III, George IV, George V, and George VI, nicknamed Monk, Big Wheel, Red, and Little Joey.
And then the first one, of course, is Junior.
So good.
He says, I named all my sons George Edward Foreman, so they would always have something in common.
The bigger question is how many, I mean, if you stack rank them with all the abortions involved, that would be a lot.
Oof, making me sad, man.
I don't want to think about that well.
But that's the dink culture.
Dink culture is abortion culture.
They say the question is: is being a dink immoral?
Yes, being a dink intentionally not having avoiding having children, whether through adoption.
I understand Barron.
I totally understand Barron.
Like, that's a terrible thing.
I wouldn't wish that.
Or even just having struggles getting in a relationship.
No, I totally agree.
These people can't get a relationship.
But that's what's so sick about the dink thing.
You have a partner and you're saying, no, I don't want to do the hard thing, the necessary thing.
I think that's really sick.
I really do.
Dink culture is abortion.
It is.
So it's necessary.
It's like decayed value.
It's the same value system, which is that less children is more evil and it's more selfish.
It's more self-serving.
I mean, that's the opposite of why we're placed on this earth.
Somebody on our show, somebody emailed our show, Charlie, you know, leave the dink people alone.
No, They don't want to be left alone.
That's why they're on social media.
So don't give me that.
So like they go on social bragging about go on TikTok, make your super TikTok, and then leave me alone.
I want attention.
Wait, why am I getting attention?
Hold on a second.
You guys went on social media talking about how great it is and you don't like to defend yourself.
And you're like, we're being doxed.
How are you being doxed if you go on TikTok talking about going to Costco?
And oh, it only costs $250.
There's more to life than money.
There's more to life than resources.
Having kids is the greatest thing ever.
It's the greatest thing ever.
If you're going to say it's immoral, you can't just say it's great to have kids.
You have to say, it is necessary to have kids.
Well, it is your dispute.
It's just so happy.
But look, some people have kids and it's very tough.
They might have sicknesses.
They might be errant and all that.
But it is the moral obligation to continue the species.
And by the way, if you can't do that, then adopt kids.
Do something to continue the species.
To steward the next generation.
You have to.
Yeah.
There's no picture.
The first video we showed.
If you look at a picture of like a family reunion and you just see there's always like sort of the patriarch and the matriarch, right?
You know, there's always like the grandpa, the grandma, and usually the grandmom's sitting at the center, and everyone can think of one of these photos.
And then you just see the children that came from her, the grandchildren, and God willing, there's great grandchildren running around.
And you look at all that life that came from one person.
And nobody is sitting there going, looking at that grandmother saying, gee, I wonder what her career was.
I wonder what her position was at the office.
I want to know if she had a cornered desk.
No, she's surrounded by her accomplishments right there.
Hot off the presses.
So this is the total opposite of the dink culture or anything that Taylor Swift is promoting.
Hot off the presses, tweeted within the last two minutes, Cernovich on Twitter.
I was going to make this point, but he just did it better than I would anyway.
We're dinks.
We're renting bicycles to travel through Africa during our vacation.
Everyone would think that's cool, but being some fat snack eater with a pencil goatee, buying chips in bulk at Costco while watching games all weekend is gross.
So that's that's part of it.
Like, yeah, if you're going to do a dink and do something really cool, it's probably still bad, but it at least, you know, people would feel a little envious, but like, I'm a dink.
I get to go to Costco and stuff my fat face with the Costco pizza.
And by the way, nothing in any of these videos makes me envy it.
Like, it just, it's sad.
I watch these videos.
It looks so sad.
Right?
It's just, it's sick.
It really is.
I think it's a mental health.
They're like gay married.
I mean, and I, by the way, you know what's so sick about it is that the amount of emails I get of people with regret, I can't have kids.
I wish I would.
That I totally understand.
I totally get that.
Or I should have prioritized it earlier.
This is an idea pathogen.
I think it's a major cope.
You know what it reminds me of?
Shout your abortion.
Dink culture is very similar to shouting abortion.
Very similar.
People, one of the bad things with social media is it's created a much larger platform for the already bad pattern of essentially very loudly justifying your decisions to the world.
And essentially, you know, you don't, they're not having children.
So what they need to do is they need to have ideological children by convincing other people to do the same things as them.
Yes.
Well, I mean, and this is the other thing that I think bothers me the most.
I actually hate, I loathe when people post their personal information on, I think it's so embarrassing when people are like go to social media and they talk about their personal relationships.
I just, I just hate that.
I think, you know, post on social media, whatever.
I think the name of the game should be post as little as you possibly can while still being like normally socially acceptable to society.
I think that's the, that's the, the vector.
That's just me.
I hate when my friends and people that I know that I actually care or once upon a time cared about go and they talk about all their problems too much.
They talk about their personal relationships.
And to me, like, this is the same thing, whether it's good or bad, like it's always embarrassing when people are like, oh, yeah, we're so happy.
We're not having kids.
And then like a month later, they're broken up.
And it's like, well, was that part of it?
Was that?
And then that starts messing with other people's heads too.
Maybe in a good way, maybe in a bad way.
But like, I think a lot of people, they end up there again because they see on social media, they see their friends.
They never used to see.
You never used to see your friends internal personal relationships.
They live down the street.
You never talk to them.
When's the last time you talked to your neighbor?
When's the last time you talked to one of your friends from high school?
You just don't.
You didn't.
Now on social media, you see all this stuff and you see your friend from high school.
He's like, oh, he didn't decide to have kids.
You know, I had four bing, bang, bang, right out of high school.
And in your head, you're miserable.
Bam, leads to divorce.
Bam, leads to finding a different relationship.
Bam, leads to not rearing for your children the same way that you would have not been aware of what other people were doing.
I just think it's so unhealthy.
Okay.
Yeah, Tyler, I think, is exactly right on this.
I think it's a huge driver in depression and suicide, especially teen suicide.
So it used to be that, and Scott Adams talks about this on his podcast as well, that it used to be that you're sort of the pool of people that you compared yourself to was your town, was your hometown, was your workplace, was your school, your work site, whatever it was.
Yeah, your family, your intermediate family, the people you interacted with on a regular basis.
And that's how for all of human civilization, we have essentially grown and developed.
However, now through social media, you sort of are bombarded with this highlight reel.
And people have said this, even Aaron Rodgers once said this, that social media is like the highlights reel of life.
And it is in many ways, but at the same time, you're also constantly comparing yourself to other people that you see that are, so it leads to, and people talked about this.
I think we talked about it here on the show once, where on dating apps now, it is so hard for, if you're like a guy under, you know, I think OKCupid was one of the ones that put out these charts at one point that it's so hard for guys below like a certain, I don't know, level to be able to, like, like 1% of guys get like 80% of the girls on social, on these dating apps.
No, obviously I was on the 1%.
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No, I'm just kidding.
But the idea being that you're constantly having to compete with a much wider pool in the same way that you're now competing with an almost universal global pool for all of these things, for family, for vacations, for kids, who's got the best pictures.
It's a constant competition that's going on.
Whether you realize it or not, you're doing so subliminally while you're going through Instagram, while you're going through TikTok, TikTok.
That's what's going on as you're looking through these images.
So we're talking about major, you know, we got to go soon, but yeah.
Soon, but we have to talk about something really immoral and bad.
And it's not dinks.
Florida State.
It's the worst thing possible.
They didn't let Florida State into the playoff.
Is college football done here?
And the answer, truthfully, is it was done here a long time ago, but you guys were in denial about it.
I love college football.
The Ducks lost to Washington.
Big disappointment.
I was worried about it.
My worries were confirmed.
Washington is a better team.
They play better.
Who cares about who has more talent if you lose?
But no, Florida State should be in the playoff.
This is insane.
This is absolutely insane.
Yeah, but they didn't put them in because college football is a gross, distorted, warped version of what it once was.
And it's kind of, I emphasize this because it's actually a weird barrier to, I think, necessary, like actual things we need to do in America.
Like, I think a real reason you won't get conservatives at the state level go and like maybe get rid of affirmative action at their colleges or, you know, get rid of all the stuff is they're worried.
The NCAA will come in and be like, well, actually, because of you guys are hostile to this or that, you guys can't compete in, you know, the preparation H-bowl brought to you by Tostitos next year.
Brought to you by Travis Kelsey.
Yeah.
And like, this is a real thing.
People are obsessed with college football.
And I get it.
You like the team, but it's weird and creepy where we're still this addicted to what is essentially just a semi-pro football league where the players get paid and they can freely sign with a different team and we'll call it a transfer.
And we do all this and we're still pretending that they're student athletes.
Just no, just call a team, the Alabama Crimson Tide and have them play in Tuscaloosa.
And they're a semi-pro league that plays their players to achieve.
That's effective.
That's effectively where we're at.
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