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Dec. 2, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 23 — Big Money Nikki?, Napoleon + Caeser Reboot, Conservatives' Single Issue
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From Raiders Fans to Nikki Haley 00:14:39
You missed a very robust discussion about the Pac-12 no longer existing.
Tyler Boyer is with us.
Andrew Colvett, who is feeling better.
Andrew, I think Andrew had the new China pneumonia.
Yeah, the mystery pneumonia.
Yeah, he defeated it pretty well.
Jack Pasobic.
And Jack, you watch sports?
Well, I watch the Eagles because that's mandatory for everyone from the Philadelphia area.
Yeah, that's too bad.
You will be disappointed.
Jalen Hurts will never win the big one.
That's uh brotherly shove all day long.
He's playing well, but he'll always let you down.
That's what are they?
Is really this year?
It's really Jason Kelsey, uh, nine and one.
Yeah, no, no, I think they're 10 and one.
Jason Kelsey, they just beat the Bills.
Did Jason Kelsey get the jab?
Speaking of a real question.
No, Jason Kelsey is a phenomenal center.
I think he's actually better.
I think he's better than Travis as far as being a center in the NFL is basically being QB2.
You're basically the quarterback.
That's a hard position.
You're calling out coverages.
I mean, it is.
You're like a catcher in baseball almost.
It's hard to be hard to be an all-star and be a center, but when you are, I mean, you just put it strategically alters the way the game is played.
Well, and think about it.
Your completion percentage has to be 100 as a center.
Now, in the shotgun era, your completion percent has to be 100.
And the Blitzes, if you call one bad Blitz coverage, you're screwed.
Okay.
Wait, Charlie, hold on.
I got one question about Jalen Hurts.
I mean, he is a phenomenal athlete, but the way he handled the Alabama starting quarterback gig with such grace and dignity.
With Tua de Viola, yeah.
Yes.
I mean, I have such great respect for that man for his character.
He's a strong Christian man.
Why do you say he's never going to win the big one?
Because I'm going to say this nicely, but he choked in the national title game before, and Tua replaced him.
They were doing awful.
If you remember, it was the 2018, 2018 national title game, Georgia v. Alabama.
Georgia was winning.
Jake From freshman quarterback.
They pulled Jalen Hurts and put Tua in.
Tua brought him back from behind.
They were down like 14 points.
There was like that.
Yeah, and then he threw the walk-off to Devontae Smith, Jack.
He actually dissembled Devontae Smith, who's now an Eagle.
Look, look, look.
He needed the bird gang.
He needed the power of the now.
He has the ability to do it.
He lost the Super Bowl last year.
The point is, the guy, and then he lost in the college football playoff.
First bite at the Apple, already.
Not all of us make good on our first bite at the Apple.
Hold on.
He lost in the college football playoff against Joe Burrow, which everyone would lose against Joe Burrow at LSU.
That was the one that was probably the best college football team I've seen in the last 20 years.
It was unbelievable.
Anyway, love Jalen Hurts.
The way he handled the transition was great.
We just lost Andrew.
Thoughts and prayers.
Oh, Andrew's back.
Okay.
Andrew's also transitioning.
He's dealing with his monkey.
No, I'm not, I'm not anti-Jalen.
I just, I know a choker when I see one.
And it's kind of like...
That moment could have reformed him.
It could have been that pivotal, life-changing moment.
I mean, not last year in the Super Bowl.
The Chiefs beat him.
So let's, maybe I'm wrong.
I just, I'll tell you.
Hey, guys, I was thinking real quick about the Chiefs.
I was thinking we should all do Thought Crime next week or one week coming up here live from a Chiefs game in total blackface.
Just total, just go all in.
No, we'll all do half blackface, we'll spend our entire time just looking with profile shots.
Well, that's a good question.
How many Raiders say anything?
How many Raiders fans throughout the years have just literally gone full blackface at a Raiders game?
And it's all been all the incredible.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have numerous memories of this.
Anyways, I am Steelers.
I know a lot of Raiders fans.
I think that if there was a percentage of fans that were the most overlap of MAGA, I think it was Raiders fans.
You think so?
Well, as far as proportionality, I want to think deeply about this, but have you been to a Raiders game?
I mean, I have not.
I've just seen them on TV.
It is a very outspoken group.
Even in Oakland, even Oakland days, especially Oakland.
Trump's MAGA.
Yeah, Trump tweeted like a Raiders fan.
Yes.
It's like he spoke like a Raiders fan.
Yeah.
Everything that Trump says is just Wind Baby, Al Davis, right?
He makes fun of people the same way with Raiders fans.
My favorite Raiders take ever that I've had was when I found out they were going to Vegas.
I said, yeah, that actually makes sense.
This is not racist at all, by the way.
No.
If you know anything about the Raiders, that is exactly the Raiders.
That's right.
By the way, they are without a doubt.
There's some great Raiders fans.
I know some of them.
Then there's also some.
They are very, very intense and nasty.
Speaking of people that we needed a segue that are fans of something you shouldn't be.
Tell us about Nikki Haley, Jack.
We went from Raiders fans to Nikki Haley.
No, that's fine.
I mean, look, you know, we're going to play the, we've got a clip here that really wraps it up for us.
So we were planning.
So, you know, for people who know that when we, when we shoot, you know, Thought Crime, this is the one show a week where we really do kind of have like a list of topics and they put it on the side there.
So we sort of chat about what one we want to talk about.
And I said, look, this whole Nikki Haley play, the big money getting behind her, Americans for Prosperity.
Charlie, you did a huge monologue on this the other day, talking about the Koch network and their origins and sort of their shift in politics, or at least where they stand on the political spectrum and how their dollars are being leveraged at this point in politics.
And we were going to sort of have that conversation.
And then all of a sudden, at this massive like Masters of the Universe Wall Street meeting, the CEO of JP Morgan, Jamie Diamond, gets up and starts telling everybody how important it is that they all go and get behind Nikki Haley.
I believe it's clip 92.
You're not going to tell me.
I did come out and make a nice statement about Nikki Haley.
You did.
You've been talking to Nikki.
Yes, I have.
Even if you're a very liberal Democrat, I urge you, you know, help Nikki Haley too.
You know, get a choice on a Republican side that might be better than Trump.
And is that your view that it's anything but Trump?
I would never say that, you know, because he might be the president.
I have to deal with that too.
And so there it is right there.
This is something where, and we've had Mike Benz on the show and he's walked us through this alliance of the Uniparty.
And he's explained that it's essentially you have your Yankee mafia and your cowboy mafia.
What does that mean?
So the Yankees, that's your financial sector.
That's your Northeastern old money, then tied into the energy concerns, the energy interest down in Texas and the military industrial complex, which of course has a massive power base in South Carolina.
So South Carolina and the Cowboys energy industry tied in with finance.
Now all of a sudden, you got Nikki Haley.
Charlie, what is going on with this push?
Is this actually something where they think Nikki can win?
Can she get to 1235?
Or is this really, as we said on Human Events the other day, a way to possibly block Trump from getting to 1235?
Yeah, I don't know how realistic any of this is.
They've convinced themselves of that.
We have the documents here printed out.
If Daisy could find them, and Tyler will be able to add a lot to this.
The Koch network has convinced themselves through all this fake data and fake polling.
I don't believe any of it, to be honest with you, that Nikki Haley is the best alternative to Trump and all this.
And the Koch network has not made a wise political decision for the last decade.
And Tyler has fought them head on here in Arizona in many different ways.
So do they think that Nikki's going to win?
I don't know, but they feel good about it.
That's the more important answer, Jack, is that these are rich people that can then go to Aspen Christmas parties and they can feel righteous and virtuous that they're not doing the left-wing thing, but they're around someone who's a neoliberal neocon.
And look, Nikki has run a very disciplined campaign.
She has been intentional to avoid any MAGA gathering.
She doesn't want to even try to win us over.
She believes that she's doing two things.
She's either trying to...
Yeah, and I've known Nikki for a long time.
I'm not personally offended.
She's not one of us.
And she's not pretending to be one of us, which I actually, in some ways, like respect the game.
Like she's a corporate shill and she wants to, she's doing the corporate shill thing, right?
Like no grassroots energy, you know, invade the world, invite the world, future Sedon Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, the whole deal.
There's two things.
She really cares about what high society elites think about her.
She really, really does.
By the way, that used to matter for political power pre-Trump.
So she still has that muscle memory of when she was governor that you really did need to win over the donor class to be able to win over the rest of the party.
And not only that, that muscle memory, but she was the heir apparent at one point.
And so a lot of people forget this, that after Romney, there was this, remember the autopsy of 2012?
The party needs to go in this different direction.
We need to be more open to immigrants and Hispanics, the H-1Bs.
And so it was going to go Marco Rubio and then it was going to go Nikki Haley.
And then Trump trounces Rubio in the 2016 primary.
Haley, of course, didn't play a part in that.
She did at one point compare Donald Trump's rhetoric to Dylan Roof, and I'm not going to let her forget that.
And then she goes, gets into the Trump administration.
She begs him to become Secretary of State.
He says no.
He says a woman shouldn't be, shouldn't be.
That's not a job for a woman, basically.
You know, he's right about that.
You can't send a woman over to North Korea, Russia, China, et cetera.
It's just, it's just not a job for a woman.
And then so she gets upset.
She becomes UN ambassador and then she leaves, kind of rage quits, and then decides to run against him, even though he basically asked her not to.
So I think that she's, it's not just the muscle memory.
It's sort of like very similar to a Hillary Clinton where, you know, you stole my destiny.
This was rightfully mine and you took it away from me.
There's a lot of entitlement that Nikki feels.
And she was supposed to be the one.
Now, for those of us that watch carefully and closely, you know, we know that she's a neoliberal.
It's not as if it's been some massive revelation or big surprise.
But I will say this, and I want Tyler to take it up that the Koch network has come out.
They say, okay, we're behind, you know, Nikki Haley.
She's amazing.
Open borders, immigration.
You know, the Koch network used to be a power center in the base.
They're on the outside looking in, aren't they, Tyler?
They do not have the power they once had.
They have money, but money does not get you power the way it used to in the conservative movement.
Trump has changed the game.
He has empowered shows like ours, organizations like Turning Point.
I can say this, and I don't say it braggadociously, but Tyler, 10 years ago, Turning Point did not exist, 11 years ago.
11 years later, Turning Point USA, Turning Point Action, Thought Crimes, Charlie Kirk show, Jack Besobic is more powerful than the Koch Network.
Yeah, by a lot.
It's not going to happen, though.
Like, I mean, because they've spent nearly a billion dollars.
Like, how that's.
Oh, they've spent billions.
So think, how is that possible?
How is it that a bunch of upstart entrepreneurs like us now matter more than the Kokes?
Well, the first wrong that the Koch network did, they committed, was going into states and then basically negotiating with terrorists like John McCain and others, right?
So the biggest mistake that the Cokes made was they lied to the entire base, which was the tricky part, right?
Which was we're ultra conservative, we're libertarian, we're, you know, we're the, we're the constitutionalists.
And then what do they do?
They, they roll into states and they make deals with guys like John McCain, like Mitt Romney and guys like that, right?
And so Jeff Flake, right?
They wanted to protect those guys.
And the conservative base started recognizing it.
They covered for a long time.
They started recognizing.
They started going, we don't agree with that.
And nothing exposed that more than when Trump ran.
So 2016, 15 rolls around and Trump runs.
And they're like, wait, lots of Cruz fans, right?
Lots of people, but even Cruz is susceptible to this type of behavior with Club for Growth, with the Cokes, with everybody else, right?
They kind of fall into it.
This is like the Jim Jordan trap, right?
And you have Trump run, and he's like, I don't need any of these mofos, right?
Like, get them out of here.
Like, I don't, I don't want to deal with it.
I don't want to.
He took the best of the best from that world to kind of help run some operational stuff.
And then he moved on and everybody within the conservative base started going, it broke the spell.
They started going, oh my gosh, all these people have been lying to us for the last 10 years, basically, last eight years.
And these people that were our Tea Party beloved saviors, which they were funding a lot of Tea Party type behavior, turned out they were just doing that in order to try to control us.
And in the background, making deals with the Bushes and the McCains.
And yeah, Corey Gardner is a perfect example.
I mean, so many people who are now out of office.
Jeff Like so many of them.
I could name them.
We could start going down the list of all these different guys.
Tim Scott came up in the Tea Party movement.
Yeah.
All of these.
And now these people that are still around that are kind of the hangover piece of this are trying to split the fence.
They're trying to like make MAGA happy while trying to make that side happy.
And almost always they're failing and getting evicted from office.
So Nikki's like one side of the fence now, right?
Like now it's just, I think it also, it's if I was a Koch network and I wanted to be relevant and impactful, I certainly wouldn't endorse someone who's going to lose by 30 or 40 points.
They don't care about that.
I think they actually think they're more powerful than they really are, though.
The Globalist Threat to Chambers 00:15:41
I think what they think is that at some point the Trump MAGA America First movement is going to die and they want to be there to pick up the pieces.
So is this about setting her up for maybe 28 or basically like setting up a national infrastructure to run as a placeholder, that kind of thing?
Yeah.
I mean, I think in large part, they're willing to have people, what they want to see happen is they've, with their corporate partners, right?
So the Chamber of Commerce.
I mean, think about it.
The Koch organization has filed like a Chamber of Commerce.
It's a 501c6 or whatever it is.
Yeah.
They are a filed national chamber of commerce.
That's how they're file.
They want to take over the chamber.
They want to be the chamber.
They are the chamber.
They think they are the chamber.
Like, I am the Senate.
They think they are that.
And so their view of this is like MAGA America First is going to die at some point.
The Kerry Lakes of the world are going to die off.
The Donald Trumps are going to die off.
And we're going to retake visa v the chamber.
And so when they lose, when MAGA loses, because we're going to help them lose, because we don't care if Joe Biden becomes president for a second term or whatever, then we'll pick up all the pieces and we'll be able to say, ha, see, I told you so.
And then everybody will adopt the future Nikki Haleys of the movement because we'll go back to that.
But that's not true.
It's just not going to happen.
And so the MAGA movement won't die.
Look, without Trump at its helm, its political power will be weaker.
But the ideological power of MAGA, again, my working theory is Trump changed everything, and then Tucker made it permanent.
Is that Trump had this populist nationalist workers class, no mass migration, no foreign wars.
That was all Trump.
And then Tucker explained it every night for six years and built and grew and strengthened the conservative base where next thing you know, all of a sudden the majority of the conservative base, majority of the conservative influencers, majority will now be in that populist nationalist direction.
Andrew, your thoughts on that?
No, this is actually a really key point.
And this is why we got on the bandwagon of Tucker becoming the VP for Trump as soon as that idea got floated.
And as soon as there was any life to it, we were like, let's pour the fuel on that fire.
Because I think what was the expectation going into 2022, 2023 was that DeSantis was the heir apparent to the MAGA movement.
Okay, so what happens when Trump either serves a second term, is no longer with us, whatever, retires.
Well, DeSantis has been this great governor.
Everything is in place.
We have this deep bench.
Well, DeSantis has proven that his campaign has fallen flat.
He has an unknown political future.
I think that is very safe to say right now, unknown political future.
Doesn't matter about the band of the Kim Reynolds endorsement in Iowa, right?
Tucker is the last man standing and perhaps the best choice all along.
And I think you're right that he is the one that added the intellectual foundation to the MAGA movement that Trump can kind of explain it to the everyman.
Tucker can add the intellectual foundation and the heft necessary to keep the movement building and growing in the long term.
So we'll see if there's any life to that.
I've heard through the grapevine that Tucker's actually entertaining the idea.
Who knows how realistic it might ultimately be, but I think you're right.
With Tucker, it does have a future.
Jack.
Look, when I'm looking at the idea of what the future of this is, it's simply this, right?
You can talk about Trump, you can talk about the Tea Party, you can talk about all these forces moving together, that they've shifted the strategic delta of the fight from left-right to nationalist globalist.
And this is something that we talked about a ton in 2016, 2017.
We've kind of gotten away from that.
But you can really see this when it comes to a lot of these foreign disputes.
The Ukraine war, you know, he's a perfect example of that.
You know, someone who's going full bore in for Zelensky, a guy that's, it doesn't need to be said, he's put his country into his death spiral at this point, and he's been making tons of money off of it on the side.
That's a globalist point of view.
A nationalist point of view is, how can we, how does this help the American people?
And you start with that first.
That's what Trump brought around.
And so suddenly he's now bringing people into the party in a way that, as I said before, after that autopsy of 2012, they said, oh, the Republican Party needs to basically needs to cuck on immigration.
And if you cuck on immigration and say that, oh, we're for amnesty, which of course goes right into what the Chamber of Commerce wants and goes right into what you're seeing a ton of these financial interests go in for.
Now this is going to be the way that we get it forward.
So, okay, we're going to be for amnesty.
We're going to be, and we're also going to be for massive increases in legal immigration.
And Nikki Haley has said this time and time again, how, you know, we need to go to the companies and ask them what they want.
It's like these same reheated talking points from 2012 that didn't win, that got Mitt Romney destroyed, and would certainly get any candidate destroyed if they were actually on the general election ballot.
And this is why Trump was able to win the Rust Belt in a way that no other Republican was able to do so for years.
That he unlocked it by simply saying, I'm going to fight for the workers of this country.
I'm going to fight for the people of this country to get their fair share in international trade.
You're being screwed by NAFTA.
You're being screwed by China.
Your jobs are being shipped overseas.
Your capital is being shipped overseas.
He brought back the return of protectionism, which, of course, the libertarians find as complete anathema.
They lose their minds when you bring it.
It's a tax.
It's a tax.
It's like, yeah, it's a tax on other countries for the privilege of doing business within the United States.
By the way, tariffs are also what built this country for the first hundred years of its existence.
So, yeah, we're going to go back to those and we're going to protect our workers the same way that most other serious countries protect their workers and their industries.
And so, when you see Trump moving on all of these issues and at the same token, dropping some of the fights that he has rightly assessed are just not useful or not profitable for Republicans and conservatives to not put those issues at the forefront rather than focusing on issues where Republicans and conservatives do have the advantage.
That's how you're actually able to bring people into the party.
That's how you're able to win.
And of course, so your doctrinaire conservatives, your libertarians, your textualists, they get very, very upset about this because he looks at these things pragmatically and says, all right, what do we need to do to win?
And oh, by the way, what policies would be better for the United States?
Not, he's not going to, you know, it's true.
And people have said, well, he's not a doctrinaire conservative.
I don't think he is.
I don't think he's sitting and reading about objectivism.
He's not, you know, following up on the Austrian school of economics when he's looking at this stuff.
He's drawing from his own experience as a businessman.
And clearly, that has resonated with the American people.
So I want to just read this a little bit.
And Tyler, I think you and I both have an interesting window into this.
This is AFP.
You sent me this, right?
Yeah.
Yep.
This thing, which is really something.
It's like living in an alternate universe.
These people are literally in Andromeda.
I want you to talk about this, Tyler, because to an untrained eye, this seems really big.
Let me see here.
By the way, the Iron DeSantis consolation prize of this is unbelievable.
Okay, you're going to love this.
All right, Tyler.
Fact check me.
AFPI has been speaking with millions of voters at their doorsteps.
Is that true?
Well, AF, whatever.
AFP.
I get all messed up.
AFP.
AFP.
Not to be confused with AFPI, which is the pro-Trump organization.
But yeah.
They've also been targeting news agency.
The whole thing's all messed up.
Too many.
So, no, they have not.
They have the largest grassroots operation in the country and a presence in all 50 states.
False.
AFP Action's endorsement will put thousands of AFP action activists and grassroots leaders in the field knocking on doors and urging voters to support Nikki Haley.
Yep.
False.
Additionally, in the coming days, we'll launch extensive mail, digital, and connected television campaigns to supplement those on-the-ground efforts.
It says they also hear that part might be true because the consultants.
Yeah, I don't.
By the way, AFP and AFP Action engage in record-breaking 457 races, knocking on more than 7 million highly targeted doors, delivering over 100 million pieces of mail, and making hundreds of millions more voter contacts through phone and email.
They use their targeted polling technologies through I-360.
Say right here.
But it's important to remember that AFP's actions go far beyond it.
If Donald Trump were beat to the nominee, they say that he'll consistently lose to Joe Biden.
So yeah, that's it.
I want to call on Jack on this one.
This is the Koch memo supporting Nikki Haley.
Where does this mythology come from, Jack, that Trump will lose to Biden?
It's not rooted in reality.
There's no data to support it from 2020, 16, or even now.
And yet it's built in to high society Republicans.
kind of gut reaction.
Where does this come from and what is the truth?
Well, Charlie, it comes from the echo chambers that they inhabit on every, on a daily basis, the people that they're talking to in their spheres, the people that go back to the Jamie Dimon, right?
Go back to the Jamie Dimon clip that we played at the start of all of this.
So Jamie Dimon gets up in that room and says, look, I know there's liberal Democrats in here, but it's important for you to support Nikki Haley.
Now, imagine the reaction if he had said, I want you to support Donald Trump.
Now, obviously, it would have gotten a lot of headlines.
It would have gone hyper-viral, probably even more viral than this video has.
But, you know, there was a mild, tepid response and people said, oh, okay, you know, I'll go for that.
Aaron Sorkin is sitting next to him there going, you know, well, maybe, you know, or Andrew Sorgan and a relation.
And they, this is because the people within that class, the people within the limousine class, the country club class, this is someone to them who is palatable.
This is someone who they think is the person who should be president.
This is built into their social mores.
It's built into their social circles.
It's also someone who, you know, Trump, he's sort of like, you know, he's kind of like Rodney Dangerfield and Caddyshack.
You know, if anyone remembers that, I know I'm kind of dating myself with a reference, but just someone who, even though he checks off all of the boxes, the Jetset class, the leadership class, the elite don't want him in because they know he's from Queens.
He's not from Manhattan.
He's from the other side of the river.
He's someone who comes across the bridge in every day to Manhattan.
So it doesn't matter how much money he has.
It doesn't matter how much property he has.
He'll never be one of us.
He'll never be part of the elite.
And so someone like him, how could he possibly win?
How could he ever beat Joe Biden?
These are the same people, Charlie, that said Trump would never win in 2016.
They said that he would never win the nomination.
And I could go back and show you the clip after clip after clip.
And I'm not talking about CNN and MSNBC.
I'm talking about Fox News.
And I'm not talking about recently.
I'm talking about in 2016 when Fox News ran segments again and again and again saying that Donald Trump will not make it to 1235.
Yeah, and it's just not, by the way, instead of worrying about all this top-level polling AFP, why don't you guys worry about ballot chasing and the actual infrastructure that's going to get us to win?
Diagnose the problem and actually figure out how to go about fixing it.
It is, it's as if, entirely, let's talk about this.
We have a lot of great donors at Turning Point USA.
The thing that bothers me and Turning Point Action, when people use donors as a pejorative, some donors are great, some donors are awful, right?
We have some great donors.
But donors are defecting from the Koch mantra, aren't they?
They're less powerful with donors than ever before.
Well, and they were during the Trump era, right?
During the first Trump administration, because people started realizing, again, that spell was broken.
Or so many people started realizing, oh my gosh, we're getting fed a bunch of baloney.
They have all the money in the world.
I don't need to give them my money too.
And then they go out and do stuff against my value.
Yes, the crazy stuff, like work with like, you know, super neocon-y type people.
And that's, that's the antithesis of what they said they were.
But this is probably the most important fact around Cooks and them losing control and all that.
And forget the fact that you have aging out and brothers passing away and things like that.
You have a bunch of people who are underneath that have been running that operation for so long that all they care about, again, is making money.
So this is, you have a consultant class driven culture.
This is not far off from Karl Rove.
Totally different power base, Karl Rove.
But these guys work together and they hate Trump.
They hate America first, not because it's Trump.
That's an easy cop-out.
They use Trump as the target.
They hate you.
They hate conservative activists, grassroots activists, because the only thing that can prevent them from taking power is when people organize and take people out.
And I'll use this example.
As we think back to Virginia, remember Dave Bratt?
This was like the first kind of Eric Cantor surprise, right?
We had a whole show on it a couple of weeks ago.
Eric Cantor was number two or three.
He was like going to be the future speaker of the house.
That's right.
Like he was a Nikki Haley type before the list.
Totally.
Wall Street Connected, yeah.
Totally.
They never expected him to get beat, never thought he would get beat, never financed him to the extent that they needed to.
That's right.
And Dave Bratt came out of nowhere and beat her, beat him.
But anyways, they realized in that moment, that is the only thing that can prevent us from moving forward.
And then what happens just a couple of years later, Donald Trump.
And then everything starts to break apart.
So at this point, they're in like a totally different pullback mentality, which is like, hey, we've got to take a completely different approach to this.
Let them blow themselves up.
We're perfectly okay pushing kind of almost a third party, which is what they're doing with Kirsten Cinema at this point, and trying to talk Joe Manchin into doing it and other people.
And that is for now their pathway forward to retaking the Republican Party.
Well, part of that is ranked choice voting.
That comes into play.
They want to get rid of the party elections.
This is the reason why they want to get rid of the party elections.
If they can eliminate party elections, precinct committee men elections, all of this, they have more likelihood of retaking the party and preventing an Eric Cantor situation to ever again happen in the future.
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Jack, you saw Napoleon.
How was it?
Unfortunately.
Yeah.
So last week, right before Thought Crime, I went and saw the first showing of Napoleon literally right after Human Events finished, you know, where the studio is here.
We've got a theater that's basically across the street.
So went over, sat down, said, all right, this is for show prep.
This is for content.
We're going to go in.
We're going to check it out.
Yeah, and it was a $200 million disappointment.
And by the way, shout out to Blake, who is currently watching the film As We Speak in Poland.
So that's interesting.
Poland was a country that's extremely pro-Napoleon.
Poland actually still has Napoleon in the national anthem because Napoleon fought for Polish independence.
And that's why a lot of the Polish legions joined the Napoleonic army in the invasion of Russia, as long as many Prussians and Austrians, etc.
But so when Napoleon came out, of course, the trailer looked great.
We all thought it looked really cool.
Some of the onset photos look great.
But then there was this interesting underlying sense that, you know, are they just going to depict him as a cuck the entire film?
Well, it turns out, Charlie, and for anyone else who hasn't seen it yet, this is exactly how they show him.
So, you know, this movie is that Napoleon is an overly ambitious, crazy, deranged psychopath.
He is constantly being cheated on, and that is his sole animating purpose.
And so, even though he goes on to win several of the battles that you see in very brief scenes, by the way, most of the scenes that you see in the trailer are the only scenes they actually show of the battles themselves.
It's really all about how mad he is at his wife, later becomes his ex-wife.
It doesn't show anything of Napoleon the general.
Napoleon, you could arguably say the single most victorious general in human history, a guy who wins something somewhere northwards of 90% of his battles, which is just completely unprecedented.
There's no explanation of his rise to power or why the people supported him, why his army supported him.
They basically just say, well, he's a nutjob.
And France went crazy for about 20 years and then England won the end.
Terrible.
And doesn't it jump all over the place?
Doesn't the film explain?
So what is that about?
It's kind of like, it's kind of like reading a Wikipedia article or something.
It's like somebody went through a Wikipedia and went through.
So, you know, you can read a Wikipedia article and get maybe like a couple of vignettes of different items of someone's life, but they're all going to be completely skewed.
If it's someone who's a historical figure, a political figure, it's always going to be skewed.
And then it just jumps from one thing to another.
So in one scene, he's like, you know, there's a sex scene between him and Empress Josephine.
Then suddenly he's fighting in Egypt and he's shooting cannons at the pyramids, which they don't explain why.
They have no idea.
There's no explanation of this.
Then he's like staring at a mummy and he hits the mummy with his hat.
And then it cuts again and he's back in France.
And then suddenly he's like marching into Russia.
And you have no understanding of what the context is.
The battle scenes just show guys kind of running at each other, but there's no actual background as to why these battles are taking place.
There's no understanding of what the political situation is, why France is doing these things.
It's all, again, it's just all tied to this.
The backbone of the whole film really is him being upset at his wife.
So I, I mean, this is a man of destiny, as Hegel would call it.
He's one of the most interesting people ever.
And interestingly enough, he actually treated Jews very, very well.
Was that communicated in the film of how he was actually protective of Jews and actually how he hated the Papal States for how they treated Jews?
Yeah, there's no explanation of that.
There's no explanation of the Napoleonic Code.
There's no explanation of the reforms that he put through during his rule.
The fact that he was generally a populist while he was in charge.
There's no explanation of any of these things, Charlie.
It's just he's some nutjob who magically came to power.
Like there's even, there's hardly even any other characters in the film, like these, these incredible figures, these world historic figures that set forward, you know, the course of human events from the 18th century or the 19th century, the 1800s.
You know, you easily could have had him writing a letter to Thomas Jefferson and talking about the Louisiana Purchase or, you know, having him maybe, I don't know, because at one point he was considering attacking New Spain and really arming the New France, which was later became the Louisiana Purchase.
And so at one point, he was actually considering sending troops and mobilizing them to the Americas.
It's just imagine what that have meant for American history.
We may never have had a civil war.
We could have had a war with France.
And who knows, right?
All the permutations.
So Talleyrand, all of the figures, Napoleon's own brother, his family members, they pop up and then they're gone after like one scene.
And you're left sitting there that if you don't know the background, because when I go to one of these films, I try to put myself in the perspective of, okay, I'm someone who knows nothing about the subject matter, you know, or like if Tanya's there, I'm just kidding, she actually knows a lot about it.
That, you know, that it left you completely, it would have left you completely confused.
There's no narrative here whatsoever.
It's just jumping around doing everything.
Then what is the so what is the consent?
Is this considered to be a good film by the regime?
I actually haven't seen really great reviews on it.
They don't like it for the reasons you don't like it, Jack.
Some of them just say that it's confusing, it's sloppy, it's too cute by half.
Visually stunning disappointment is actually what a lot of the critics are saying.
Yeah, so, and visually, you know, there are some great visuals, but the color scheme is just so drab and gray.
It's got that sort of weird Ridley Scott filter on it that makes everything look just like blue and grayed out.
It just makes you depressed afterwards.
I hate it.
You saw it very depressing.
No, I didn't see this, but that view is like, yeah, you come out of that.
You just feel like, so did you talk about talk, Jack?
Yeah, I don't think you touched it, right?
But I wanted to tie it.
Yeah, I wanted to tie it together.
So, you know, your question is, was, does the regime like this movie?
And for me, you know, I'm looking at it and the main takeaway that I got is that you had this ending of with this very like baby boomer 1960s, 1970s kind of take that, you know, war is bad and war shouldn't happen.
We should just be, you know, against war because all conflict is bad, right?
You know, there's one thing to say I stand for peace, but understanding why countries go to war rather than being this like, you know, like a beatnik hippie or something.
There's an obvious difference between those two strains of thought.
You know, this was, it was feminism.
It was progressivism, Ridley Scott just pushing this over and over and saying that, you know, men cannot be, there's no such thing as a great man.
And the Telegraph actually kind of gave this away.
And so, you know, they said, you know, this is a film that debunks and deconstructs the mythos around great man theory, the great man theory of history.
And so I'm watching this film thinking, yeah, it really does seem like there's an attack on men of ambition and trying to get around this idea that great man theory, that, you know, this theory that basically we talk about it all the time, that, you know, soft men, weak men create hard times and then hard men create strong times, that this is strong men create good times, that, and this is perpetuated by these great men.
So they do it with Napoleon, and then all of a sudden we see this trailer for Julius Caesar.
We have that too.
Do we have that trailer?
Okay, I think it's 94.
But it's more of a BBC special, isn't it?
I don't know if that's a movie.
It's the story of Caesar.
Most extraordinary political story in Western history.
Julius Caesar is the most dangerous kind of demagogue.
He's immoral.
He's irreligious.
He wants to rule right.
The city is uncontrollable.
Democracy has to be fought for.
Take it for granted.
A new Caesar will come.
I see.
So, what you're getting at, Jack, is that Napoleon, Caesar, there's this subgenre of content where they're trying to lay the foundation that the right is trying to prop up an authoritarian problem solver, and they're trying to pepper the landscape with this sort of, you know, predictive programming.
Hyper-masculine, you know, we have to, democracy is some sort of a shared group dynamic that we must protect.
Yeah, and it's very, it's very much more explicit when you see the Julius Caesar trailer here.
And I mean, and she says it, right?
We must protect democracy from another Julius Caesar coming, the rise of, you know, the rise of the next dictator.
And by the way, at the end of, and shout out to Mr. Regrove for pointing this out on his review of Napoleon, because there's even a scene, believe it or not, at the end of Napoleon that is a very obvious reference to Andrew Tate, right?
Like, like something that you'd never think that would, you know, fit itself into a historic, you know, historical narrative, historic fiction of one of these biopics.
But there's a scene where Napoleon, so it's after Waterloo, and they have Napoleon, and he's about to be exiled for the second time, this time to St. Helena's off the coast of Africa.
And they go to the very back of the ship, or I should say the aftmost position on the ship, and they find Napoleon eating breakfast, and it's like a traditional British breakfast, and you talk about how good it is.
And he's surrounded by these young midshipmen.
And midshipmen are officers in training.
So you haven't joined the Navy yet, but you're sort of coming up through the academy.
You're coming up, even the Naval Academy today.
We call them midshipmen.
And they're surrounding Napoleon, and he's regaling them with his stories.
And then the Duke of Wellington comes up and says, What's this all about?
And they say, Oh, the youth, they love Napoleon.
And Wellington kind of goes, That brute, get them out of there.
And this is clearly a reference to Andrew Tate and the way that Andrew Tate, who in their view is this model of hyper-toxic masculinity, who is completely evil.
And the only people that it resonates with, again, are young males.
I want to chime in here, actually, because this, Jack, you touched on it, but I think we could make more of a point on it.
The great man theory is really what's under attack here.
I mean, I went to the University of Washington, Seattle, right?
And I remember, and this is, you know, years ago, not to date myself, but they're giving me a tour of the school.
And the most beautiful building on campus is the Sousala Library.
And it's got all these great white men, thinkers of Western society and history up at the top of this statues of them.
And I remember the tour guide says, well, they're all old white men, so like, who really cares?
But it's still a beautiful building.
That's years ago now.
That's years ago now.
And what we have is Caesar, who, you know, the Guardian is saying, is like, is it an echo of Trump to come?
And then, you know, there's other headlines that read, you know, is Trump the heir of Caesar?
This sort of thing.
This is all being telegraphed.
I think your take here is spot on.
But the great man theory is that great men, you don't have to place a value judgment on their actions or even the product of their actions, but great men can bend history to their will, right?
So they will overcome obstacles and then bend the trajectory of human history, which is objectively a good thing.
But this is also why they hate Elon Musk, right?
So Elon Musk is another white man that is bending history.
I mean, he went out and did the unthinkable and bought X and very well might be a defining moment in human history because it might allow this populist revolt and revolution that's happening across the globe to take root intellectually, ideologically, in the minds of many more people.
So I think this idea that it's fallen out of favor is very key.
So Hollywood is actively working on an assault campaign subconsciously that most people will not pick up, right?
They'll just see in Donald Trump and think, oh, I better have trepidation before I pull the, you know, pull the lever for Trump because he is this proto-fascist, dictatorial-minded person, right?
It doesn't matter if it's rooted in truth.
It's an ideological subversion that is absolutely 100%, I think, intentional.
And even if it's not intentional, it just shows deeply how the subconscious of the left works and how afraid they are that they are losing power.
So this great man theory, I think you can't make too much of it.
It's an assault against masculinity.
It's assault against white men.
It's an assault against the West, all rolled into one.
So it's a brilliant take.
I've loved your social media takes on it, Jag.
So hats.
No, thank you.
And I appreciate that.
And Charlie, I'd ask you about this because, you know, really the opposite of this is what is the opposite of the great man theory is sort of, you know, and the great man theory, I think, is best summed up as history is the history of great men, right?
When you read about history, you're reading history of great men.
But the opposite of sort of great man governance, if you want to have that argument, is the longhouse, the longhouse system.
Charlie, what is the longhouse?
I don't know.
Have I mentioned that before?
Well, we mentioned it before a little bit, but it's just sort of the safetyism, right?
So the long house is okay.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Got it.
Right, right.
The idea, the system of consensus, I have to say it's very feminine-coded.
This idea that everything has to be consensus.
This is where you should.
So your vestiges of law, et cetera, et cetera.
So pop culture and media and academia, they're very focused on trying to make people afraid of what happens when a society gets too masculine.
So the Napoleon movie, The Undercurrent, is this what happens?
This is toxic masculinity, right?
Unchecked masculinity.
So your boys should wear dresses or else they'll become Napoleon.
That is effectively the story.
And same with Julius Caesar and all that.
But then we don't ask the question: what happens if a society gets too feminine and gets too shared about our feelings?
And there's the overemphasis on democracy is a feminine hyperfixation.
It just is.
Which you think about it, it's like we need to share our feelings and we need to kind of gather around a table and I'll have all this talk.
Again, I'm not necessarily against democracy and the ideal.
I just think democracy is a really bad idea.
Representative government is a good idea.
Democracy is a bad idea.
But unfortunately, they will not, not unfortunately, the entire intellectual and ideological kind of regime right now refuses to acknowledge that most times history, including civilization, comes down to small groups of alpha men to break things so that you can have peace.
Democracy is a Bad Idea 00:06:13
And that is Washington, Lincoln, Churchill, Patton.
Like those are four off the top of my head.
And they were on most of them, Washington being excluded, but Lincoln especially and Churchill were incredibly unpopular before the crisis, unpopular after the crisis, but incredibly necessary during the crisis.
And democracy is, again, not sustainable, bad idea.
You get tyranny out of democracy.
But this idea that you're somehow going to be able to fix all of our ills and all of our problems by sitting around a table and sharing your feelings, what's hilarious is that you actually end up getting something closer to the tyranny that they say that they do not want.
It just looks differently and it calls itself something different.
And, you know, Jack, I think you would agree, the best is in the balance between the feminine and the masculine.
If you were to ask somebody, what does a society look like if it becomes too feminine?
They would fumble over their words.
Well, I think it would look a lot like our society today, is the obvious answer.
Oh, of course.
Right.
So everyone's own truth, no reason, high fixation on the pathos and not the logos that we're living through.
We have a country.
We were a country that was founded in war, in a rebellion against the current government of the land.
You know, where I sit here on the East Coast, you know, this was all part of the British Empire.
These were British colonies and British citizens under the British crown who decided to rebel against it.
Then we got to the point where we were a country where the sitting current vice president of the United States challenged the Secretary of the Treasury to a duel to the death, shot and killed him.
Never faced any charges for this.
It was totally understood.
This was perfectly acceptable for two men to sort out their differences through armed combat.
He did so, shot and killed him.
Again, one of, by all accounts, one of our founding fathers by any measure, Alexander Hamilton.
And now we are a country that puts warning labels on shampoo bottles.
I want to make a point on this Caesar thing, though.
If you look back at that trailer, Charlie, you triggered this thought for me.
You're talking about the mask and the feminine.
You actually listen to the man in that trailer who's super smart, by the way.
He's saying something that's sort of broad and you could interpret it either way, but it's just an interesting observation.
The two women, not trying to be offensive here, but they don't seem like they were maybe, you know, of, let's just say they're people of color, right?
And yet they're talking about this very masculine man that's, you know, taking, they are incredibly fearful of this person, Caesar.
They say, I mean, if you would play that clip back, and we don't have to, but you will notice a distinct tonal change between the two women.
Okay, 94.
Yeah, but just before you start, the guy's great.
His name's Tom Holland.
He wrote an amazing book called Dominion.
He's actually a secular defender of Christianity.
So I want to make sure everyone, he's probably great in a documentary.
But yeah, please continue.
I like him a lot.
I think it's clip 94.
Story of Caesar, most extraordinary political story in Western history.
Julius Caesar is the most dangerous kind of demagogue.
He's immoral.
He's irreligious.
He wants to rule Rome.
The city is uncontrollable.
Democracy has to be fought for.
Take it for granted.
A new Caesar will come.
So look, Blake's not here, so I'm going to fumble over this.
But the prerequisite that led to Caesar is not going to be articulated in that at all.
Okay, the Republic was falling apart well before Caesar came.
He just cared about Rome so much that he wanted to keep it together.
And Caesar was some good, some great, some excellent, some not so good.
But it's without a doubt he was an unbelievably effective leader in history, no doubt.
And he's worthy of study.
And he was betrayed by the people closest to him.
Jack, he was loved by the people of Rome, wasn't he?
Julius Caesar was loved.
So, this whole idea of democracy must be fought for.
Hold on, the people loved him.
You know who hated him?
The ruling class.
That's why they killed him.
The ruling class killed Caesar.
The elites killed Caesar.
They killed him, Charlie.
That's the key word here.
They killed him.
And hat tip to Angelo for making the connection.
But one of our producers, I mean, if we're really going to extend the fact that this is an echo of Trump, now, first of all, you've got Dan Goldman, the heir to Silver Spoon heir to the Levi Strauss fortune, saying Trump has to be eliminated, right?
You've got a lot of people basically saying, you know, all of these lawsuits aren't working.
I mean, everybody's openly questioning the fact: are they going to come for Trump?
And then you and then you tie in multiple articles, Guardian on Down, about how this is all an echo.
Caesar was an echo of Trump.
Well, Caesar was assassinated.
So all I'm saying is yes, no, that's right.
They're going to try to kill.
We've said for a while, they're going to try to kill Trump.
Somebody, one of us here attended a certain play in Central Park a few years back where they took Julius Caesar, right, and portrayed him as Donald Trump.
And they had a Melania.
They were doing bathtub scenes together.
And every single night, night after night after night, they were stabbing Donald Trump to death on that stage in Central Park.
And let me tell you, when I went there to disrupt this, which was right after Steve Scalise was shot by a rabid, frothing-at-the-mouth MSNBC Russia Gator, that I said, you know, this is the normalization of political violence.
Shall We Show Mercy to Elites 00:03:45
You're normalizing this, and you are all reminiscent of Joseph Goebbels.
Goebbels would be proud because you're sitting there cheering, clapping, laughing, by the way, laughing as a guy who's your stand-in for the president of the United States.
And we're talking like Quentin Tarantino levels of blood on this stage, and the crowd couldn't get, they couldn't get more of it.
Yeah, and I mean, this is an infinitely deep topic that we can keep going into.
But again, the American founding, America was founded by men of destiny, as Hegel would say, men that decided to stand up against evil and do good.
And at the very least, look, Napoleon, I know very little about him.
Blake knows a lot about him.
Who met Hegel, by the way?
Yeah, which, again, that's its own thing.
But he's definitely somebody that, if properly portrayed, you get, there are some virtues to Napoleon.
Of course there is.
And then there's some, okay, you get, you get, it was an outgrowth of the French Revolution.
Hilariously, Jack, in that movie, did they talk about the excesses of the French Revolution?
Do they talk about the first scene?
The Jacobins and Roussoian and.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, well, then that's fair because that's exactly what it is.
It starts out that it's not going to be, you know, you think it's actually good for the first couple, like the first 20 minutes or so, are fine.
So it's Marie Antoinette.
And you can see that they've decided to, you know, go ahead and execute the queen of France or, you know, the deposed queen of France at this point.
And then it cuts to, you know, it cuts to Robespierre.
And he's Robespierre.
Yeah.
He's screaming and he's in, you know, he's in that court, the people's court that they set up, right?
It's interesting, by the way, how you have all these Marxian-style names, even though this is, you know, years, like 50 years before Marx, or more, though, maybe 75 years before Marx.
And he's up there saying they, you know, mercy.
Shall we show mercy to the elites?
Mercy to the 1%?
No, I say mercy for the poor, mercy for the oppressed, mercy for the downtrodden.
That is where my mercy goes.
No mercy to the rulers.
And whenever you rise up like that, as opposed to the American Revolution, which was, as you say, as we've said it here, American nationalist elites leading the country, not a complete just execution of the previous ruling class, that's what you get into.
And so they depict, and it's documented that Napoleon was there for a number of the executions from the guillotine in France.
So he's there watching and quite upset about this.
And then they kind of show how that Robespierre himself gets, you know, gets taken out.
And then it gets up to the basically the mob of 1795 when basically when the mob then turns itself on the new French government and they turn to who someone at the time, I think it was a commander,
Commander Napoleon, to say, hey, you need to stop this mob because these guys, it's like a BLM riot, basically, where, you know, or an Antifa riot because I guess they're all white, where they're about to smash down and kill everybody in the center.
And Napoleon famously says, what shall we do?
We should disperse the mob with a whiff of grape shot and killed over 100 of them.
Everybody, stay right there.
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All right, Tyler, I'll let you take the lead on this, but Jack, can you set Tyler up on this single issue?
Can I just to blame my last on the previous?
Napoleon had just become a general on this date when he stopped the mob.
And that, of course, was basically it's considered the end of the French Revolution and the beginning of whatever came next.
So we're doing Hanksgiving, right?
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Oh, excuse me.
Oh, single issue op.
You just revealed this.
Yeah, this is Tyler.
Just ignore that.
I know, I did.
I did.
I did.
I thought we said last.
That's what got me thinking that.
Okay, so we are going into the single issue op.
And we've talked about this for a while.
Tyler, you have a whole side podcast now where you basically talk about this nonstop, how the Democrats have turned single-issue voters into a ballot-harvesting social media machine utilizing TikTok, use elect utilizing all sorts of new media.
The Republicans, our side, seem to be asleep at the wheel.
Yeah, I mean, this is where it's at.
I think that the original, where do we prompt from this?
Wasn't there an article or something that we dropped in about this?
Jack, something about black voters, right, Jack?
Isn't that the genesis of this or something?
Where did this originally this topic came out of?
Wasn't this rumor?
Well, the black voter, we were talking about the Trump and the BLM stuff, and we were questioning whether or not it made sense to put a lot of time and money into chasing BLM endorsements for the 2024 race.
And I said, please, God, no, for the love of God, no.
It just, it's a complete waste of time.
I mean, not that it's a waste of time and money.
Like, sure, go ahead.
You want everyone to support you.
But if you're going to actually be committing resources to something, I would really love to find a way to turn these single-issue voters for our side.
The same way the left has done this in state after state using the abortion issue.
They're using referendums in all of the Rust Belt states.
We're going to see a ton of these.
They've used these to great effect in places like Ohio, Michigan, Kansas.
That we need to find something like that and find a way to replicate that on our side for 2024 in key states with our issues.
Yeah.
And it's really simple to, if you think about it, this is, I mean, this is what they've done.
So the explanation for people, and people don't get this.
I think I tweeted this out not that long ago.
People were like, oh my gosh, I just realized this.
We don't live in the same America anymore because big tech and technology in general and the Democrat Party have made it so that it's pretty accessible to find out who your neighbors like religiously, who your neighbors like politically, and everything else in their own personal life.
So you know more personally about your neighbors.
If you really want to know, like it's not that hard to figure out now, you know everything about them.
Well, to think that that doesn't spill over into how the left is operating politically, that is insane.
And our side just isn't doing any of it, right?
So you look at this and you go, okay, well, what is the left actually doing right now?
Well, they're not going, they're not chasing ballots.
They're not trying to convert ballots of people who are regular voters that are independents.
So if you're an independent and you're a 404 voter, which they call that, you voted in the last four elections, they're actually not even, they're not bothering with you, right?
If they find out that you like love the Democrats now or whatever, then they'll bother with you.
But in general, they're not going to screw with you because they know you're going to vote.
And it doesn't matter.
What they're interested in is go to the people who don't care about their ballot anymore, people who have no interest in it.
And this explains exactly why they're trying to flood the zone with ballots.
Why are they trying to institute automatic ballots to every single person in the state?
Yeah, I mean, to limit the enthusiasm gap.
Because it just increases the sea of people who don't care about voting.
Yeah, the volume.
Yeah.
The volume is out there.
It's like, now if we have an extra million voters that don't give a crap about voting, well, now we can go to those people and do what?
One is peer pressure them with personal relationships, or two, try to win them over on one issue, one issue alone.
And so we look at this.
I think we looked at the original.
I think I actually sent over the article.
I'm mistaken.
I don't think it was Blank.
I think it was me.
But it was like, abortion is like, I think the article that I sent over was like...
It's one in four.
Yeah.
It's the number one issue.
It's a single issue for one in four Democrats.
That's right.
So, all they're doing is they're looking at, okay, what are the most important single issues for our side?
And they're going, okay, well, for our side, it's abortion, having the ability to access abortion in my state.
So, we know that one in four hits, that's going to land with people who don't care about voting.
And our side has those issues.
We just don't talk about them.
We don't talk about it.
Tyler, Tyler.
What is for the people that don't care about voting, but are either center-right, you know, libertarian, conservative-leaning people that don't care about voting, right?
So, it's a whole different, it's a whole different subset, cohort, right?
What would be an issue that they care about singularly that for people that don't really care about voting but lean our way?
What's the counterpoint?
Yeah, guns have always been there, but guns is closest.
This is why they've attacked guns so much.
Guns moves voters the same way abortion does because it's the government taking something from you from you.
We talked about this not that long ago and that there's a power in that.
Football, like stupid stuff.
I mean, you really think about this.
Like, there's things sports, hunting, guns, and we just talked about it today in the chat.
Transing your kids.
Transing your kids is now a thing.
Government taking something from you.
Again, I think power issue of immigration.
Yes, it's just it needs to be done.
It only is power crime in general if you go super basic.
But I would argue that it must be a no-nuance or else I would argue that's the reason why Trump got popular, though, was because he made the wall issue, like simplifying the wall issue so easy.
He made it tangible.
Wait, made it tangible and people like gravity.
Oh, I can visualize that.
Yeah, because Charlie, what you're saying is that people, when they're losing something, the government taking something from you.
Joe Biden, think about it.
You could keep your doctor.
You can't keep your doctor.
Tyler brought that up.
That destroyed the Massachusetts Senate race with Scott Brown.
The politics of taking is very, very hard to beat.
We win when we frame things as them taking stuff from you.
They win when they frame stuff as we taking stuff from them.
They're taking our country away from us.
I think the visceral.
I know, exactly.
That's why the wall was such a great way to put it, because it made it, it sort of focused your ire on something else.
But I mean, I think what's emotionally happening with a lot of Americans, and by the way, you could pull this year after year after year for the last 20 years.
Immigration wins.
Immigration, mass migration, mass deportation, however you want to think about it.
It is a very popular political issue because people can see with their own eyes.
The country that I'm living in now is not like the country I grew up in.
It's not as good, actually.
I don't feel as comfortable.
It's this cultural displacement that people feel innately.
It's a very visceral, personal thing.
And yet you're right that it's harder to sort of sum it up into a slogan.
It's harder to message on it, but it's very popular.
Abortion also just, it's an unfair topic because it involves sex.
Let's just be honest, right?
It's the number one thing that sells in girls.
It involves girls.
It's unique.
There's nothing like it.
Guns is the only thing close.
Guns for men is guns is the same thing.
But more girls care about abortion than guys care about guns at this point because of the feminization of ability.
And there's no, and I, again, I've asked Isabel Brown for advice and Alex Clark, God bless them both.
And I show them these videos and these women come up to me and they say, you as a man are not allowed to have an opinion about this topic.
Like at this point, like there's that's not a conversation, right?
So the first question is, are you a lesbian?
Yeah, of course.
And half of those are the same.
And the answer is yes.
It's like, yeah, don't have to.
You don't have to worry about it.
Well, you don't have the right to opinion.
Yeah, exactly.
And you probably worry about it.
This is what we were talking about earlier, where Trump in 2016, I think rightfully, decided to choose, like a general would, decided to focus on avenues of attack that were most strategic and advantageous to his own victory.
He looked at that issue and said, you know, this is something where I'm going to, you know, we're going to put some effort towards this, but it's not going to be the, it's not going to be the access point.
It's not going to be the main avenue of attack.
And I think he realized, and you're seeing that now as well, where he's saying, look, we got Roe v. Wade done.
Now it's at the state level.
It should stay at the state level.
And then he moves the topic to something else.
I think there's wisdom in that.
And I think that's something from a political standpoint, a strategic political standpoint, something that the conservatives should be doing.
So we fought for years to put this at the state level.
That's where it is now.
That's where it should be.
Yeah.
So what Tyler's getting at, though, is with technology and bodies, you can micro-target.
The Democrats are thrilled because they have an issue that all it takes is a single point of contact.
Easy.
So you knock on a door, you're in South Scottsdale, you got some 23-year-old girl, she's having tons of sex, right?
She doesn't have a boyfriend.
And you say, hey, Republicans want to take your abortion away.
Oh, my goodness.
Let me get my piece of paper.
I'll totally submit my ballot.
I don't usually vote.
I don't usually vote, but it's like, it's super easy activation.
You'll help me about it.
It's a one-to-one ballot, right?
It's all it's otherwise.
We have to go knock on a door in Queen Creek.
You know, I have to like dodge, you know, being shot at and be like, hey, you should fill in your piece of paper.
The election's rigged.
Like, okay, great.
Like, you know, it's a harder sell.
It is a harder sell.
Not impossible.
My argument would be that it's actually not as hard because what we're finding in our data is that the places that have the lowest, the greatest amount of low propensity of voters for Republicans are in rural areas.
So it's just people who are too lazy or just don't care or they think their vote doesn't matter.
And so these people just, all they need is basically a nudge and knock on the door to say, hey, I kind of know you or I'm from the neighborhood.
And I'm more that that alone is the first step.
It's the same concept as, again, Mary K sales or trying to sell Tupperware door to door or buying the cookies from the kid that's on the football team in your neighborhood.
Why are you going to do it?
You're going to do it because he lives on your, he lives in your neighborhood.
You kind of care about him, but you don't really care about the cookies.
You just want to just want to do it to get him off your doorstep and maintain the personal relationship.
Tyler, this is where you're the best at, man.
Honestly, like, Tyler, you deserve a lot of credit for what you're spearheading at turning point action.
But I mean, you're totally right.
And I think maybe the answer is that there's not one single issue on the right that's going to be equivalent to abortion on the left.
Maybe you have to sort of scatter shot this because, you know, there's some stats that show that 50% of hunters in like Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania are not registered to vote.
50% of hunters.
Yeah.
Or don't because they just want to live off the grid.
It's like it's because they just want to live off the grid.
And you could argue that the NRA hasn't really done its job well enough in those key target areas.
Right.
And it's like, you know, and the NRA has been going through some stuff, right?
So we know that's what they targeted them for a reason, though.
But look, I mean, the whole point is, is like, there's, it's not enough to just be an NRA member.
You got to get them out to vote.
Yes.
But think about how smart the left is.
And we have to conclude this in a second.
They're like, okay, what's the one issue that's close to abortion for us?
Guns.
And they went after the NRA with Letitia James, New York Attorney General, lawfare, Russia stuff.
And with women, right?
Like they use the women angle with the kids in schools.
Yes, of course.
And this is like my wife is like a pro-gun Bloomberg, hundreds of millions of dollars.
Yes.
She's every town, whatever it's called.
She's influenced so much by the marketing about protective kids.
I get pushed these ads.
I'm like watching YouTube videos about Oregon football.
And I get this guy.
My daughter was a Sandy hook.
I'm like, what in the hell am I getting this ad for?
It's crazy.
And by the way, they're powerful ads.
They're powerful.
I mean, for me, I'm not exactly, you know, touchy-feely.
I'm like, that's kind of a powerful ad.
It's a hugely powerful ad.
And then it's like, you know, Oregon football.
I said, why am I getting that ad?
I would make the argument here, actually, as part of this, is that that's why we need to focus on different subjects.
I'm not suggesting that guns aren't a good subject.
I just, I don't know how, what other topics are there that.
Well, we have a couple that have come up, and this is where Jack and you are kind of right about things that could go adversely for us in this next election.
And I hate putting this out in the public, but like, you know, targeting people who are anti-vax, anti-COVID, like lockdowns.
Vaccine's a big one.
Like that, if that could really screw us.
Medical is our abortion.
Trump has to go.
Yeah.
Trump has to go full on that because that's, and you brought up the trans in the kids in schools.
That's an extraordinarily effective conversation with women.
The trans thing is the closest thing I've, by the way.
With women?
So this is what drives me nuts, these lunatics.
They've never spoken in front of a live event.
I think I do more live speaking events than anybody else.
Anyone else in the country?
And so I read audiences.
And so I go to these churches and I say, you know, we repealed Roe versus Wade.
Gulf of Plus.
No, no, no, it's unbelievable.
And then I say, they're trans in our kids.
And they're like, we should not let this happen.
There is more enthusiasm.
There is more public comfortability, right?
100%.
On the anti-trans thing.
And I'm telling you, it doesn't matter if I'm in Spokane.
It doesn't matter if I'm Madison, Wisconsin.
I thought the trans thing, they're interested.
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They're engaged.
They're comfortable.
The abortion thing, they say, it's a ticking move.
Move on.
They're like, move on.
They're like, they're like, move on.
They don't want to talk about it.
The church does not want to talk about the abortion thing.
And the Democrats know this about the trans thing.
This is the reason why.
This is right.
This is the reason why they dodge and Bob and we don't want to debate.
So do you want to know something even crazier?
So we're at war with YouTube.
We do not get a strike or anything on any abortion content.
Nothing.
Our abortion content, they let us do whatever we want.
The trans stuff is where we get all of our hate.
All of our hate speech strikes are trans stuff because they know the trans issue is a liability for them.
Transing your kids, I think, can become our abortion.
Like, especially for lower income Hispanics and blacks, I really think so.
Well, most importantly, with women.
Well, yes.
I mean, because then it's tribal.
They're taking something from you.
Yeah.
They're going to take your children away from you.
And they're going to turn your son into a daughter.
You're taking your kids away from you.
And guess what?
There is a greater chance to a female.
They don't want to hear this.
There's a greater chance, female voter, your kid will be trans than your daughter will ever need an abortion.
And because a lot of suburban moms vote for abortion because they want it as an insurance policy, right, Andrew?
This is Santa Barbara 101, right?
They want it as an insurance policy in case their daughter gets knocked up after prom night in high school.
Yeah.
A lot of people, I think, I think you've said this before on the show.
A lot of people have an uncomfortable detente with abortion.
Like they don't love it.
They don't want to talk about it.
They don't celebrate it.
Very private.
Yes.
Also, secretly in their heart of hearts are like, yeah, but like I could see an instance where somebody, you know, I don't want to tell them that they can or my daughter or whatever.
So that is probably the vast majority of people that when they go to the polling in Montana or Kansas or Ohio, where we see these initiatives fail, that's really what's, I think, the psychology at play with abortion.
A lot of people don't like it.
They just don't want the government to like necessarily get involved and tell them they can't, right?
And, you know, I think we're going to have to confront this, though.
And this is one of the things that the RNC should be doing.
We should all be getting the best minds in the movement together.
You, Walsh, Boyer, Pesobic, everybody, and say, listen, they're putting this on the ballot in Arizona.
They're putting this on the ballot in, I think it's going to be some of the other swing states.
I know it's going to be in Iowa, like South Dakota.
But there's like specifically an effort.
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There was an article we covered on the show.
It was an NBC article.
Nine states, they're going to target this issue.
We don't know how to counter it, and we don't have an answer for what the counterpoint is.
And I think that's what we're exploring here, which is important.
But psychologically, it's a total loser, even if we are extremely pro-life.
And I think we need to have messaging that will address this issue, ASAP, because we don't have it yet.
We don't know how to counter this issue.
And we look at the board and we say, what can go wrong in 2024?
This is the issue.
And they're telegraphing it.
All right.
In closing, everybody, AmFest.
I'm super thankful for our team.
We're going all in.
It's amazing.
Tyler, Turning Point Action, they got all day Sunday.
We're really revving it up.
I just want to go through all this.
Jack's going to be there.
Andrew will be there.
We're going to try to do thought crimes live.
We're going to try to fit it in.
Tucker Carlson, Patrick Bett, David, Candace Ewens, Glenn Beck, Rob Schneider, Roseanne Barr, Dennis Prager, Ali Beth Stucky, Jonathan Isaac, James O'Keefe, Riley Gaines, Ben Carson, Michael Anton, Jason Whitlock, Gad Saad, Brandon Tatum, Seth Dylan, Jack Pesobic, Benny Johnson, Yanmi Park, Michael Seifert, James Lindsay, John Amanchuku, John Benzinger, Rob McCoy, Len Munsell, Eric Metaxas, Calvin Robinson, and Turning Point Action, Vivek, Bannon, Don Jr., Kimberly Guilfoyle, Marjorie Taylor Green, Matt Gates, Corey Mills, Mike Lindell, Alina Haba.
Our concerts are big and rich, low cash, and Raylin.
And we also now have an announcement.
Timcast will be live, Jack Pesobic.
Did you hear that?
Boom.
Boom.
Live.
Joe.
Jack, riff on Amfest.
Why should somebody attend?
It's funny.
I'm literally about to hop in my car and drive out to Timcast right now.
To Fairy Island or whatever they call it, or Fairy Park.
We don't get into the secret location of Timcast.
Steve Bando says the location all the time.
This is like you've been in 70, all right?
So the look, the reason you got to go to Amfest, it's the speakers, right?
That's sort of like your, that's your first layer of Amfest.
You have to understand that there's layers and tiers to Amfest.
So the first layer is Amfest and the speakers that Charlie just ran off.
Easily the best lineup of speakers anywhere in the country, probably anywhere in the world, right?
If we could get Milla there, I'm sure we would get Millet there.
You know, maybe Tucker will work on it.
But when it comes to the second tier, now you've got the shows.
So we're doing thought crime at Amfest.
We're going to figure that out.
I'm doing human events.
You're doing Charlie Kirk show.
Steve's going to be there doing the war room.
And the war room is.
And Patrick at David.
Yeah.
Yeah.
PBD.
Oh, wow.
I didn't really live stream whole thing.
He's live streaming.
So you've got like the entire virtual universe and now Timcast that we've all put together through these shows and through alternative media.
You know, this is a nexus now.
This is a hub for all of that energy to come together.
And then the third layer, of course, is the fact that you're now around people who are like-minded, people who are actually working to put our country together.
And guess what?
This really is the last strategy session before we go into 2024.
That's your urgency.
So we did this in 21.
We did that in 2020 in 22.
You know, the team at the turning point events has completely knocked it out of park.
That's great.
Now the table is set.
2024, it's going to be the political warfare that we walk into, and you must prepare for what's coming ahead.
That's why it's incumbent for all of us to get together, build those networks, work on the strategy, get the energy together.
The people you meet at these events.
Look, I got my entire start in the movement just by going to the RNC in 2016 in Cleveland, putting on the only independent pro-Trump event that was held outside there.
Look, this is how you actually make the magic that carries you all the way through to Election Day.
And I really think that if you have the opportunity to go to Amfest, it is incumbent upon you to be there.
Amfest.com, A-M-F-S-T.com, A-M-F-E-S-T.com.
Really amazing new speakers, guys.
Let me just go through the ones that have never been at a turning point event before that are coming.
Roseanne Barr.
That's amazing.
She's the, I mean, one of the most popular TV shows ever.
By the way, she doesn't do a lot of public events, just to roll clear, doesn't do a lot of public events.
Rob Schneider, A-list.
Hello.
That's Patrick Bett David.
Make it gaps.
I mean, Patrick Bett David, big deal.
Jonathan Isaac, he's a current NBA player.
The guy is in the NBA in-season tournament putting up 10 points a game.
He's doing a double, double a game.
The guy is a double, double a game current NBA player, and he's coming to Amfest.
You look at his stats.
Because I mean, I don't watch NBA because it's a waste of time.
I love this guy, though.
And I thought, okay, you know, is he a bench player?
He's putting up a double double.
They're doing great.
It's like a whole lot of people.
I think Orlando's crush is like surprising everybody right now.
I know.
I'm stocked with him.
They got kicked out of the thing yesterday.
He's good.
He's awesome.
He's actually really good.
I'm talking to his team, Charlie.
We're trying to find a time to get him on the show before Amfest.
And his team's like, oh, he's going to be in practice at that time.
I can't even.
By the way, I never want to hear an excuse from another speaker again.
The guy's in the midst of an NBA season, and he's coming to Amfest.
The amount of respect I have is unbelievable for him.
I think the most respect of any, that's right, Andrew?
You're in the middle of an NBA season, and he's like, I'll be there.
I think that's extraordinary.
And he wants to come on the show.
He's trying to get on the show, and we're trying to make it happen.
But it's, you know, I think the magic are like third place right now in the East.
Really, really a lot of respect.
We got Bannon, who's going to bring down the house.
Vivek is going to do some big stuff.
Don Jr., but the ones that have never been there, I just want to isolate again, which is just amazing.
Never been there.
Roseanne Barr, Rob Schneider, Jonathan Isaac, Patrick Bett David.
If those four speakers were the only lineup, that alone, those four is all-star, very proud of the team.
We got more stuff coming as well.
Okay.
Big and rich.
Well, we've had Tucker before.
I know.
I know, but come on.
There's a couple of people.
You got Tucker.
Big and Rich.
There's some big names that aren't here.
You know, there's some presidential candidates that I have not heard of.
You know, we know that Ron DeSantis, you know, publicly snubbed the last one.
Ron denied.
I'm not even going to hold people in suspense.
He doesn't want to be there.
So he's too busy doing the eye.
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Really?
Yeah.
He's got to spend that money.
Yeah, tweet that out, Jack.
You have my permission.
I'm totally tweeting that out.
No, because actually the last I heard that there was...
No, the last I heard was that there was some conversation.
There was.
The conversation's over.
They're busy.
No, yeah.
He's got to spend that money.
And he might only have a couple of things.
And then Nimerada, we're waiting for.
And then, oh, she out.
Is Nimerada out?
She said no.
Immigrant Hillary's not coming.
And then Christy.
We're waiting for Christy.
Christy, we sent a letter to the Dunkin' Donuts in Mindham.
No, like you actually did this to the new, like actually in New Jersey, the one closest to his house.
Well, we couldn't.
Lauren was trying to get in contact with this campaign forever.
And he doesn't even have a website.
So we thought the best place to send his invite was to the Dunkin' Donuts in Mindham, New Jersey.
What's where he lives?
So hopefully the manager, hopefully the manager at the Dunkin' Donuts of Mindam, will get it to him.
I have a suspicion he'll be in there.
That's it.
Just knows how to find him.
That's it.
All right, everybody.
We got to go.
God bless you all.
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