Tuesday night wasn't great for the GOP. That's the bad news. The good news: The Democrat Part is in its own catastrophic crisis as well. Between boiling over anti-Semitism, a non-entity in the oval office, and a calamitous national situation that is entirely their fault, Kurt Schlichter helps explain why conservatives still have plenty of hope for future political wins. Plus. Rabbi Michael Barclay marks the 75th anniversary of the beginning of the Nazi Holocaust, and describes a fitting fate for Hamas's killers.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Vivek's Debate Strategy00:10:09
Hey everybody, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
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We bring in Kurt Schlichter, who holds nothing back.
We talk about, hey, this is a palate cleanser, guys.
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What is going wrong in the Democrat Party?
We talk a lot about what's wrong in the Republican Party, but hey, this is a good moment to reflect on how the Democrat Party might just be facing an existential dilemma.
We also talk about abortion, sticky topic, important topic.
And then we bring on Rabbi Michael Barclay out of Westlake Village to give us an update on the tragic death of 69-year-old Jewish man Paul Kessler and why we need to just hold back, hold back.
We can trust the people working on this.
And then he gives us an update: what it's like to be a rabbi in this day and age when there's so much pro-Hamas garbage circulating everywhere.
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Kurt Schlichter, senior columnist with townhall.com, lawyer, resident, scholarly expert on many things and flamethrower.
Extraordinaire.
Kurt, welcome to the show.
Hey, thanks for having me.
You've caught me in my middle-aged long-haired guy vibe.
Are you in a bathroom?
I work at college.
That looks like I'm so unkempt they might take me for a professor.
Yeah, I was going to say, you'd probably be lecturing a 200-large UCLA course today.
Why don't we just throw you in, see if it'll work?
Hey, Kurt, we spend so much of our time complaining and complaining and complaining about the Republican Party, about the neocons, the neoliberals.
You have a new piece in Town Hall that I thought was a great palate cleanser.
You said to think the GOP has problems, meet the Democrats.
And actually, I pulled some of this Gavin Newsome tape that I hinted at last hour, and I might get into it with you as a fellow Californian living in occupied territory.
Break down the divide because it really is a chasm in the current Democrat Party.
What's going on?
Why are they so chaotic at the moment?
Well, look, both parties are in transition, Andrew.
I mean, the Republican Party is in a major transition.
Our coalitions are shifting and changing.
And that's, you know, that's normal.
That's what happens at coalitions.
They're not frozen in time.
I mean, you don't see a lot of Whigs wandering around.
Okay.
Parties come, parties go, they change.
And we know very well how the Republican Party has changed.
And we saw it in the debate last night.
You had Nikki Haley, who's the cutting edge of 2004.
You had Ron DeSantis, who represents a new voice.
So does Donald Trump.
So does Vivek to some extent.
And it's challenging.
It can be frustrating.
And now imagine you're a Democrat.
You've got half the party, right, is old school Democrats, many of them Jewish.
And you have another half who literally wants to murder the first half.
And that is kind of a problem.
I mean, here we have.
I wish I was joking.
It's horrible.
And speaking of California, yesterday at the Holocaust Museum, they were showing footage of the Hamas atrocities and a bunch of Jewish Americans on an American street were attacked by a bunch of scumbag Palestinian supporters.
In our country, Jewish people aren't safe to walk the street.
Thank you, Gavin Newsome.
That's the America you've helped make, or at least the California you've helped make.
So, I mean, it is a serious problem.
It is also vexing for the Democrats.
You have Joe Biden who's trying to balance these two elements of the party, and one party's saying, no ceasefire, and the other is saying, yes, he's fire and get murdered.
And, you know, so he's not calling for a ceasefire right.
He's calling for a pause, which involves Israel ceasing firing.
So I'm not sure how that's actually different.
As I say in the piece, it's hard to walk a tightrope for a guy who's has trouble walking on a sidewalk.
Yeah.
No, and Kurt, what's interesting about this, and I think why your piece has real merit, is because we saw recently that Joe Biden's poll numbers amongst Democrats are down 11% since October 7th, since the terrible massacre of Jewish civilians inside Israel.
Now, 11%, that's massive.
When you're talking about a race that might come down to a couple thousand votes in Cook County, might come down to a couple thousand votes in Maricopa County.
That is a big deal.
This is why you have David Axelrod going out front saying, hey, we might need to pull the ripcord here.
This is why you have Vivek on the debate stage, like begging them to pull Joe Biden, which I actually take umbrage with because, no, we want Joe Biden to be the guy right now.
He's completely beatable.
But this represents an existential threat to the coalition.
This is something else you talk about in your piece.
So I think people get confused when we talk about coalitions.
The American system, we build the coalition before election day, then we vote.
In the European system, UK, whatever, they build the coalition after the votes.
You get these pure ideological parties, but then they still have to come together and rule.
We do this before the election.
That coalition within Joe Biden's party is a very, very shaky ground between the progressives, the far left, and yeah, like these blue dog, moderate Democrats that are still hanging around.
What is, if you are a Democrat consultant right now and you're talking to Joe Biden, you're in that room, what do you tell him to do?
Well, first thing I do is tell them, you know, calm down.
We will get you to your Matlock rerun.
Just let me finish.
Here's your world's original.
Look, I don't know how you breach this divide.
Some divides are unbreachable.
And it is going to be very tough because you really have two completely competing points of view.
Look, and it's existential.
You have people who say, no, I literally want to murder everybody who looks like you or shares your religion.
That's kind of hard to compromise with.
What are you going to say?
Well, you can kill half of us.
The Republican part, we've got problems.
I mean, Donald Trump and DeSantis don't get along.
Nikki Haley is there, Vivex doing his thing.
But at the end of the day, I look at that stage.
I can vote for any of those guys.
There are guys that I like more, guys that I like less.
I mean, presidents of not really me, but I could live with it.
See, we're biggies of the big train today.
We think he did a good thing for the country.
But I understand, actually, it might be a generational thing, Kurt, where, you know, you're a little bit more old school, right?
Maybe you want to get back to To some more of the gentlemanly policy, no, that's no, policy-wise, no, no, no.
I look, I agreed with some of what Vivek actually had to say.
Yeah, Rona's terrible.
I know I've been saying that for uh, you know, a year.
Um, yeah, the debate, uh, the debate moderators are often biased.
Yeah, I got that.
Although I thought they handled it well yesterday, I think that was the calming influence of Hugh Hewitt.
I think Vivek's style was much more, look at me, I'm going to get RTs.
You know, when somebody asks Vivek a question about how do you plan to beat Trump and why are you better?
I'd like to know that he took another tangent and I felt annoyed because I don't like when people don't answer my question.
I'm a lawyer, it bothers me.
A lot of its style.
Vivek reminds me of the guy who's still learning, whose life changes every time he reads a new book.
You know, hey, I just read, you know, Atlas shrugged and it changed everything and he won't shut up.
I think you're right.
I think you're right.
I think a lot of people, I think a lot of people get frustrated with Vivek for some of those reasons.
I think that's why that, you know, chat GPT line kind of hit.
I will say, though, that, you know, I obviously, you know, we're Team Trump on this show, but I do think Vivek has contributed something really powerful to the movement.
And he has mainstreamed the rebellion against the sort of establishment entrenched corruption that we all rail against.
I mean, I will tell you, Andrew, I was mainstreaming that rebellion 15 years ago.
I was fighting political rights.
But it's breaking through.
And it's like a party, Vivek, but you didn't throw it.
And you don't get to sit there with a clipboard at the velvet rope saying who gets in and out, Vivek.
Look, I look at Vivek and I think that there are very few people on earth who I think would have benefited more by a tour in the Marines as a young officer than Vivek, because I think Vivek desperately needs somebody to say, I'm your butt down and put your nose there grindstone.
Republicans Shift Focus00:05:24
I think he's so smart.
He's had it easy and he strikes me as one of those guys who's super smart, but not wise yet.
And that's what I'd like to see from him.
I don't hate Vivek.
I just think he's not ready to be president.
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Kurt, let's talk about abortion.
Now, we talked about the first segment.
We just talked about the first segment about the problems in the Democrat Party, which there are many, and it really is going to be an existential crisis going into 2024.
Their answer, I asked you a question.
I thought about it over the break.
What's their answer to the fact that half their party wants to kill the other half?
As you eloquently stated, their answer is to just probably ignore it, right?
Am I right?
They want to put all the focus on the abortion question.
Yes, let's talk about something else.
Let's distract.
That will not last forever.
But Republicans do have an abortion problem.
I'm not sure how big it is.
And I think it may be localized in certain areas.
Unfortunately, a lot of those areas are battlegrounds.
You know, for 50 years, Republicans said we want to send this abortion question back to the states.
Then we finally did that.
And promptly, a bunch of Republicans said, okay, now let's have a federal law that does XYZ.
And Tim Scott went on at length about that last night, how he thinks it's a great idea.
And I found myself, and, you know, except for pizza and cheeseburgers, I never agree with Chris Christie about anything.
Chris Christie said, wait a minute, we've been saying X for 50 years.
And then as soon as we get in a position to deliver it, we switch it out for Y. Look, I think the best Republicans are going to do, because this is an issue that really, really animates a lot of Democrats for reasons that are unclear to me, but they don't have to get my permission to care about what they care about.
We have to have an answer.
And our answer has to be: each state's going to decide for itself.
At the federal level, we are not going to.
And it doesn't make me happy.
Most people are much, much more liberal on abortion than I am.
But you know what?
We all get votes.
And here in California, it's open season on kids until they get their driver's license.
In Oklahoma, you know, there's essentially no abortion.
Different places are going to have to do different things.
And we need Republicans to be able to talk about that.
The problem with Republicans is abortion is an ugly subject.
They don't want to talk about it.
I don't blame them.
I don't want to talk about it either.
I'd rather be talking about anything else right now.
But we've got to talk about it.
We've got to talk to the voters.
And you have to be very clear with them.
And if your position is, you know, 15 weeks, exceptions for life of the mother, rape and incest, then you need to say that over and over again.
And frankly, if I was a candidate being bombarded with, you know, Kurt's never going to, Kurt's going to force your child to bear her rapist children, I would be a candidate.
I would sit there with that ad playing on a TV.
I turn the TV off and go, that is a lie.
That is nonsense.
I strongly support exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother.
I support a ban after 15 weeks, no late-term abortions.
That is the truth.
Don't believe the lies.
Women are not going to be locked up and thrown into jail and given the death penalty.
That is nonsense and that is stupid.
And you just get out there and you confront it.
I want to connect two of the, I think you're right.
I think it goes one step further, though.
And this is if we had a functioning RNC, this is the things we'd be doing.
Now, I'm hearing that Arizona is going to be putting an abortion initiative on the ballot, right?
Lining up for 2024 because that's that's too much.
Absolutely.
So why is the RNC not doing the exact same thing and putting counter initiatives that read the right way, that don't evoke the same panic within the abortion-loving left or the independents that just kind of want that the oh crap clause in life?
Why are we not being way more upfront as a party on this?
Because Rona McDaniel is grossly incompetent.
Taking Back The Narrative00:15:42
She's gone seven cycles of total failure.
Look, the big hit on Donald Trump is personnel decisions.
Donald Trump put her in as chair and he kept her in last January.
And I know that because I watched his chief of staff with my eyes right here, not hearsay, out lobbying for Rona McDaniel.
She is a complete failure.
She is incompetent.
I hope she's only incompetent because you literally, statistically speaking, in seven cycles in the seven years, she's never had a good cycle.
Statistically, you would think you would have one if only by accident.
Yeah, I think we're in complete agreement here and we're calling for Donald Trump removed.
Ronna McDaniel officially.
Thanks, Kurt.
We appreciate it.
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Southern California story that many of you might have heard about.
Tragic death of an elderly Jewish man, Paul Kessler, in Westlake Village.
A murder.
It's how I describe it, even though the press has been very reluctant.
I think it's safe to say in describing it as so.
Joining me right now is Rabbi Michael Barclay of the Temple Nair Simcha.
Simca?
Rabbi, I apologize on the pronunciation.
In Westlake Village, you are a good friend of this show's very close friend, Rob McCoy.
Apparently, you are his second favorite rabbi.
Tell me about this story.
It captured the national headlines.
We're shocked by it.
I wish I was more shocked given all the recent news of the anti-Semitism, blatant anti-Semitism in so many corners of this country.
What's the latest?
What do we know?
Tell us the story.
The circumstances are really clear.
And first of all, and most importantly, people need to keep their mouths shut and just wait.
I hate to say that, but we really, really need to do that.
Chief of police, Jeremy Paris, and Ventura County Sheriff, Jim Freihoff, are amazing men.
I know them both well personally.
They are men of integrity, and they are making sure that justice will happen in the right way.
What happened is there for the last few weeks, there have been on a large intersection, there have been pro-Palestinian demonstrations.
And Paul Kessler, Blessed Memory, went to go counter-protest on Sunday, and he died on Monday.
That's what we can say and what we know for sure.
There are conflicting reports, and that's part of the challenge.
The reports range from he tripped and fell after a verbal altercation to that he was having a verbal altercation that became physical and was hit and then landed on the concrete.
And in either event, it was actually the fall of concrete that killed him.
He was conscious when the police were able to interview him.
They do a suspect.
They will probably be announcing something soon.
But what we need to do is kind of stay calm and let them do their job.
I wouldn't say this in other places necessarily, but I know these two men.
They will do the right thing.
And the challenge is because there's conflicting witness reports.
What we don't want to have happen is a charge is made on a suspect that can't be backed up, and the suspect is either acquitted or convicted.
And either way, a riot happens because it wasn't really clear.
So they're doing their job, and they're really, really good at it, Andrew.
They really are.
And I mean, Chief of Police, Chief Police Jeremy, is actually coming to an event we're doing tonight that we planned two weeks ago in honor of today.
I don't know if you know, today is actually the anniversary, the 85th anniversary of the Start of the Holocaust with a night called Kristaldah.
I wrote an Army right about it.
They're really, really good guys, and we need to support them and give them a little space.
They're going to do the right thing, and they're going to make sure it's done right because we don't want this to become a spark that becomes an inferno both here and then across the country.
I appreciate you're being cautious there.
I think it's an important skill, a discipline that we all need to exercise as much as possible.
Now, I hear what you're saying, and I do trust local authorities.
I've heard it from Rob.
I've heard it from you.
I do believe that they are going to do the right thing here.
But we do know this much, right, Rabbi?
That it was a blow to the mouth with a megaphone, correct?
During these competing protests, or do we not even know that much?
What we know is that there was blood force to the side of his head and blood force to the back of his head that came from him landing on concrete, and that that blow to the back of the head is what ultimately killed him and determined, you know, became a brain injury and killed him.
We know that.
But there are conflicting reports from witnesses ranging from it was just verbal to he was hit in the head by a megaphone.
And we need to let that play out.
It's not about being cautious.
It's about being smart.
I think we should emulate the IDF.
The IDF is brilliant.
They pause and wait.
They knew 30 seconds after that hospital was blown up that it was from Hamas.
Yet they waited a while before they were able to totally prove it 100%.
The police are emulating that pattern of behavior.
Let's just, they're going to do the right thing.
I can guarantee you on that.
But I think it's really important that we don't say with authority right now that Paul was hit in the head by a megaphone.
There's certainly confidence in that.
So let's just.
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it's yeah, and I and again, I appreciate the, I mean, because there's reports even by very reputable sites right now.
Free Beacon has a report on the alleged assailant.
I'll leave that out of respect for how you're trying to guide the way we all approach this story.
But I want to turn our attention to another Southern California story.
This is fights erupt outside of the Museum of Tolerance.
I'm sure you know that location well after a screaming or screening of a film on Hamas.
Now, this was the GoPro footage that the IDF obtained, and then they, because there was so much chatter online, really conspiracy theories that different atrocities did not in fact happen, that the Israeli government was lying to the press.
So they actually provided this to the press.
Then Gal Gadak gets this footage.
She screens it at the Museum of Tolerance.
This is actually footage from last night of this fight breaking out, again, between competing, I guess, protest groups, pro-Israel, pro-Hamas, or pro-Palestine groups, however they want to describe themselves.
Rabbi, you have to be watching this in horror at the way that the world has in so many pockets in Los Angeles and Southern California across the Ivy Leagues, how they have coalesced this anger and this energy into outright Jew hatred in so many respects.
What is it like being a rabbi right here in Southern California and watching that footage?
Probably very similar to the way it is being a rabbi anywhere in the world.
And I think we need to take back the narrative and start getting honest.
There's no such thing as Palestine.
There is no history of Palestine, number one.
There is no historical genetic or any other history of Palestine.
It's not even mentioned until the late 19th and early 20th century when it becomes a mandate in 1922.
And we need to take that back.
The Palestine people understand it was invented by a company called George Anderson was the publicist.
He was a partner of a public relations company in the early 60s.
The first time we really have Palestine is with the PLO, which is established in 1964.
And in 1967, after the Six-Day War, you have Gaza and the West Bank, and they say they're one country, Palestine.
That is an absolute fallacy and a myth.
The great-grandfathers of the people in Gaza called themselves Egyptians.
The great-grandfathers of the people in West Bank called themselves Jordanians.
They, by saying we're one country, one side being on the east, one side being on the west, now they've defined that everything in between is occupied.
It is a, they were brilliant at it, they were shrewd at it, and it's horrific, and we've got to take back the narrative.
So that's piece one.
We need to understand what Hamas is.
Hamas, if you look at their covenant of 1988, their charter, they're very clear.
They want the destruction of Israel.
They want every Jew, and the word is obliterated.
They're very, very clear about that.
And they do not claim, by the way, a historical right to the land.
I don't know if you know this or not, Andrew.
They actually don't even claim a historical right.
They claim the right of wah, a holy possession, that since it was once conquered for Allah, therefore it is always for Allah.
And that is so, you cannot negotiate with people who want you dead.
So there's a real issue with that.
And when people are saying pro-Palestine, there is no such thing, pro-Hamas, they want you dead.
I think one of the most ironic images I've seen is a couple of women that had signs that said lesbian, or Jewish lesbians for Palestine.
Those women, they'd have a bidding war as to who could kill them first, because they're both lesbian.
We need to take back that narrative.
There is no such thing as Palestine.
Let's move on from there.
Whereas Israel exports hope and faith and joy and makes everything better, Palestine instead has exported war death and want to look behind as opposed to looking to the future.
And we need to be really honest about that.
We need to educate people about that because most of these people that are at these demonstrations are useful idiots.
They have no idea what Palestine really is.
It doesn't exist.
They have no idea that Gaza and West Bank are actually not related.
And they have no idea what's in the Hamas Charter.
And they don't understand that in the Hamas Charter, in that covenant of 1988, it also says, I think, in Article 11 or 13, it also says that if you're not a devout Muslim, because they claim to be part of the Islamic, the Muslim Brotherhood in their preface, if you're not a devout Muslim committed to jihad, then you're of no value either.
And that's why they use these people, their own people, as human shields.
This is evil.
This is, it really causes me a lot of pain.
But what Hamas did on October 7th is they emulated Amalek of the Bible, who attacked the weak, the wicked, the children, the sick, the old.
And that Amalek is the only character that God says I will always be at war with, that we are to destroy and blot off the face of the earth.
So much so that King Saul loses his kingship because he doesn't destroy all the Amalekites.
And the reason is once you've decided that it's not even collateral damage, you're going after the children after the week.
That's not redeemable.
That's not a sin that can be redeemed.
Even King David, look, you know the Bible.
King David sleeps with a married woman and sends her husband out to be killed.
He's forgiven.
But Amalek is never forgiven and never to be.
And what Hamas did on October 7th can never be forgiven.
And we need to fertilize the earth of Gaza with their ashes and create something new in Gaza.
You know, before Hamas came into Gaza, Gaza is a beautiful place.
It's some of the best land in the world.
Five times they have rejected taking a two-state solution.
They have no interest in that.
In their charter, they say that any discussions that are to be had for peace are only subterfuge.
They are only for the purpose of ultimately destroying every Jew and everyone there who is not part of their rabbi.
I think you're hitting on the crux of the issue.
Now, Charlie posts pro-Israel stuff on Twitter or whatever.
He gets attacked by all these little trolls that say, look what the Jews have done.
Look what the Israel's done.
You're getting fooled.
I find it repulsive, and I'm sick of it.
I am absolutely completely up to the right here, okay?
I'm way past there.
This is a defensive war.
Hamas came after and murdered innocent women and children, and they want to do it again.
I cannot express, Rabbi, how infuriating it makes me when I see people defending the barbarism that we saw and framing it in this oppressor versus oppressed lens.
I mean, we often talk about on this show how reality for many of these people is incapable of breaking through.
The facts do not matter because their brains are so washed in ideology.
Now, they might think that about us, but when you've got a terrorist group that goes across a boundary line to go murder 1,400, might be 1,500 when it's all said and done, I'm told.
Innocent civilians, you better believe there's retaliation coming.
Now, but I do want to put this, I want to put this to you, Rabbi.
There's a lot of discussion about ceasefires and all this stuff.
Joe Biden has come out and said the possibility of a ceasefire is not going to happen.
Now, we might get these little four-hour windows.
We'll see how that all plays out.
But break down from your perspective, the difference between the civilians in Gaza and Hamas.
Now, they were elected.
Now, there are innocent people there, but I don't buy for a second that they're all innocent.
I think that a lot of them actually aid and abed these terrorists, whether that's, you know, helping hide them, stockpiling their ammunitions.
I've heard thousands of stories like this.
How should we think about the Gaza civilian question?
War is horrible.
That's why you don't have it.
Let's be honest.
No other armed forces in the universe, in the history of the world, do everything they can to try and protect the innocent.
It takes five Israeli soldiers to clear a house.
It takes a platoon to clear a building, realizing that there probably is not even one person in that house or building who wouldn't kill the Israeli if he had the chance.
But there will be some, and there are some innocents.
And, you know, there's a midrash that King Saul, when he doesn't kill all the Amalekites, Samuel, you know, he makes an excuse to the prophet Samuel, and he says that why should the innocent die with the guilty?
And it's for that reason he loses his kingship.
We're not going out to try and kill innocents.
Hamas Regroup Tactics00:02:21
And we've given every notice.
And where else do you see tanks?
And there are tanks from Israel guarding the path for civilians to get out, to get to Egypt, to get out.
That only happens with Israel.
And that's why it's the Israel Defense Force, not offense force.
And you're right that facts don't matter to a lot of these people.
They've never read the covenant of Hamas.
They don't understand anything about the history.
They bought into the public relations scam that's been going on for 65 years.
But the reality, and we have to be clear about it, and Andrew, I do not have the words to tell you how sad I am about it.
We have to go and destroy Hamas.
If you'd asked me a month and a half ago, what should we do with Hamas?
I would say, try and make peace if it all possible.
They crossed that line by attacking children, attacking the weak.
And they did it with help.
Because we now know that when they came in, they knew what doors these families used.
They knew what families they were going for.
It wasn't an accident.
Well, they didn't find that out just randomly.
They found it out because workers from Gaza had been in the area.
Quote-unquote civilians.
Gaza has had its own control for 18 years.
They elected Hamas.
And we've given them the opportunity to get out, and we need to truly destroy, not defeat, destroy Hamas.
There can be no ceasefire.
And this, do you know about the deal that Qatar is trying to broker?
Are you familiar with this?
Yeah, I've heard some of it.
So apparently, with the backing of the U.S., Qatar, which is where all these billionaire leaders of Hamas actually live, is attempting to broker a deal for a one to two day ceasefire in exchange for 10 to 15 prisoners.
God forbid we make that deal.
Because all it does is give it a two-day respite so they can regroup.
So Hamas, which has said they will keep doing this forever, they're very clear about that.
That's right.
To give them a regroup.
And it says, okay, well, there's another 200 hostages.
So every month when they're really beat up, they're going to negotiate over 10 hostages.
They have a day or two.
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