THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 16 — House Speaker Trump? Mocking the Dead? Columbus: Hero, or SUPERhero?
In this latest THOUGHTCRIME featuring Charlie Kirk, Jack Posobiec, Andrew Kolvet, and Blake Neff, the crew explores varied questions like: -Is Donald Trump as House speaker a good idea, or just a funny one? -Is it okay to laugh when extreme liberals get killed by their own policies? -Is Columbus Day a worthy holiday honoring an all-time great figure, or just a sop to the 1800s version of BLM?Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Okay, everybody.
Hello.
It is Thought Crimes.
What episode number is this?
16.
Is it really 16?
We've done 16 of these incredibly enough.
Wow.
Andrew, welcome, Blake.
And of course, Jack Pisobic, welcome.
Ladies and gentlemen, we finally found out something that actually makes House Republicans upset.
Is it the locking up of our own people?
No, no.
Is it sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine in a proxy award?
No, It's parliamentary changes inside the house.
Apparently, that is what makes them upset.
So it is sometimes we have to debate of what is the lead.
It's not even a close question this week.
There is no speaker of the house.
Jack, you and I kind of saw this coming.
I think it would be helpful for our audience to give a layer deeper that we're not always able to share on our shows.
Jack, you and I were on a series of group text messages right when I turned off for you know Shabbat.
I kind of saw this boiling up.
I was starting to get incoming from the Gates crew, right?
People that were saying, hey, this is going in a bad direction.
We're going to do a motion to vacate.
I remember some of the people I know in McCarthy World said, oh, he's just bluffing.
It's not going to happen.
Here we are a week later.
Kevin McCarthy is not speaker.
Jack, let's fill in, you know, some of the underground chatter that you and I have been privy to as we saw this bubbling up to the surface.
Yeah, so a lot of this, and Charlie, you've done a great job of covering it this week on your show.
Thank you.
Huge props to you because, you know, this is something where it pays to be super in the weeds on things.
And that's something where I think, you know, Charlie, with your perch, not only where you are in politics, but having turning point your ear into a lot of different places, it just really lends itself to these situations because it's easy to sit on the outside.
And I see a lot of people just throwing bombs and saying, oh, yeah, throw the bums out, get rid of them, get rid of this guy, get rid of that guy.
But you're also missing the intricacies of how it actually works, how it plays out, the different interests, the different factions.
And that's something where even myself, just listening to the Charlie Kirk show this week, it's like, wow, this is the one place where you can really get all of it.
Because on some shows, you know, you'll hear, oh, Gates is a traitor.
Gates is evil.
Gates is the worst.
And then you go on other shows and it's like, Gates is the greatest patriot.
He's the, he is the next George Washington.
It's like, all right, can someone just explain to me what's actually going on?
And that's what I found with listening to Charlie.
I don't mean that just to blow you up, but I really do think he did a great job.
And the reason, though, that people need to understand this better, though, is because the situation became, as Jack Haschell said in his great book recently, although on a different subject, it became untenable, right?
It became untenable because you had the grassroots that were so incensed at the lack of action and so upset that they can see the government locking people up, the FBI starting a new task force just this week and then bragging about it with their leaking their own story to Newsweek, essentially writing a press release for them saying we've started a new task force to go after MAGA.
And then you go to the house and you say, what are you guys actually doing about any of this?
Oh, we've got a big investigation.
It's very important press release, very important letter that's being written.
Just you wait, you know, the next letter is coming out and people are just getting fed up.
People are just getting sick and it's getting worse and worse.
So we saw essentially the civil war brewing because that being said, GOP leadership still has considerable and significant resources that they will be bringing to bear.
And I don't think that they thought Matt Gates was willing to go through that.
Turns out that he actually is.
So Gates effectively pressed the nuclear button.
I call it the nuclear option.
And now here's the interesting wrinkle in all of this.
And we covered on human events earlier today, that anyone who wants to be speaker, whether it's Scalese, whether it's Jordan, whether it's Donald Trump, et cetera, they're essentially walking into a situation where they know that MAGA and the grassroots and Gates representing the gasroots by proxy is exercising command by negation, whereby in there's nothing to stop him from doing this again next week, next month, six months from now.
So anyone who has to come in, guess what?
You got to make a deal.
That's why Donald Trump is going to Congress.
So Blake, let's do this.
And by the way, Jack, we're going to reconnect your audio.
We could hear you, but it's not as pure as it should be.
So we're going to work with the team on that.
But Blake, Andrew, and I are going to carry this forward right now.
So Blake, you and I were chatting a little bit over the weekend last week, and so is Andrew.
Andrew, you were on a lot of these messages too.
And because, you know, we're kind of at an intersection of all roads where, you know, I've been very clear.
I have, you know, I've been gotten along with Kevin McCarthy for years.
I disagree with how he's handled the debt ceiling and also the CR, but he's treated our turning point students and leaders really, really well.
And this kind of thing was bubbling up.
And I remember I sent a message to one person in kind of McCarthy world.
I was like, guys, this is becoming real.
Like this, this, and, you know, either Blake or Andrew, you could take it.
Andrew, maybe, because you're also getting his message.
Andrew, do you think that they actually believed that this motion to vacate would have been successful?
I had a private conversation with Matt Gates on Sunday when I reopened my phone.
I had literally had 682 text messages.
Remember, Andrew, the message I sent?
I said, so what's going on?
Like on Sunday afternoon.
I talked to Matt Gates on the phone.
He said, oh, Kevin's going to get bailed out by the Democrats.
He'll still be speaker, but it's still a good message to send.
Andrew, is this the dog catching the car?
Yeah, I think it was, Charlie.
I, you know, I think they were going to give it their best shot.
A lot of people, a lot of reporters have been texting me saying, is this just about personal animus?
Is this Matt Gates trying to be, you know, famous or whatever?
And I'm like, hey, Matt Gates is already a media darling.
I don't care whatever anybody says.
He's been highlighted on conservative media and CNN, MSNBC, all this for years.
He's very articulate.
And I think he does not see the end of his career being in Congress, right?
A lot of people have speculated.
I think he's even confirmed that he wants to run for governor eventually of the state of Florida.
But he'll be damned if he's going to leave things the status quo as he found them.
He's also in a very secure district.
I think he won 70-30.
So he's one of those guys that is not only extremely conservative, especially fiscally conservative.
He's not only ballsy, the guy has, you know, guts for days.
The guy is totally courageous.
He's not like these other squishes on Capitol Hill.
But I don't think he exactly knew how this was going to play out.
A lot of us who were skeptical said, Gates, your qualms are real.
The gripes are real.
Washington's out of control.
$2.2 trillion deficits are not sustainable.
Ukraine, what the hell?
And so it kind of left us in this place where I think our base.
and our audience were looking for us to go, yeah, go Gates.
And it was kind of like, well, we get where he's coming from.
We love the guy.
We think he's fantastic in a lot of ways.
But what's the end game?
Is Kevin McCarthy the best that we will get?
And that remains to be seen.
But this whole call from Newt Gingrich, calling him traitors, the eight traders, that is completely out of line.
Yeah, and I think we've been very morally clear in our show, haven't we, Andrew?
I think we've been.
Oh, yeah, no, 100%.
And Newt is somebody who's come on the Charlie Kirk show multiple times.
I like Newton.
I think you wrote.
Yeah, you wrote an endorsement for his last book.
But yeah, I mean, I think Newt is looking at people like Speaker Pelosi before, you know, when the House was a Democrat majority and saying she ruled with an iron fist.
Nobody crossed her.
We need to get that on the GOP side.
I think that's wrong.
The GOP is a rowdy group.
It's an independent-minded group.
We're not collectivists.
We're not communists.
We don't think in a block.
There are factions and clans within the conservative movement.
I think, yes, Matt Gates is probably surprised this worked out, but he's probably overjoyed.
And here's, here's, I'll leave it with this.
If we get a Jim Jordan out of this or a Speaker Trump, I mean, that's certainly a possibility as it stands today.
If we get those two outcomes here, this will have proven Matt Gates to be an absolute genius, massive success.
If we get somebody like an Emmer or even a Scalise who's, I've heard it described as Diet McCarthy, I think then we are going to find ourselves in a world of hurt.
And people are going to start pointing the finger even more at Gates.
Yeah, I receive angry emails about this.
I think we will not know whether or not Matt was right based on whether or not Hakeem Jeffries becomes speaker in January 25.
You must hold on to power in the town of DC, right, Blake?
Exactly.
I think, you know, Andrew mentions the factions.
That's very real.
I mean, we've got Republican Study Committee.
You've got Freedom Caucus.
You have, you know, random wildcards.
And every single one of those matters.
Because again, we don't have a strong majority.
We have, what is it, 222 seats?
We have a majority of five votes.
And one of those is George Santos, who at any time, you know, could be hauled off to God knows where.
Yeah.
And so that means everyone, you know, everyone does get a voice, but it does mean everyone gets a voice.
It means Matt Gates and five friends can blow up the House speakership, but it also means the five most liberal House members could blow up a Jordan speakership.
Exactly.
And they're going to.
And we have to understand that this, the game is on.
Right.
And there's, I think that's why, you know, I also disagree with what Newt said, but you can see the frustration that's boiling over there that there's all these Republicans who remember it took us weeks to figure out who our speaker is going to be last January.
And it was really like only McCarthy can unite them.
Is that a good thing?
Is that a disappointing thing?
You can definitely ask.
It's a real thing.
It's a real thing.
It took them weeks to do this.
It was really tough.
There's no one else.
There's no obvious plan B. If you, they've been, these Republicans have been giving statements where they say there are 15 different options on the table.
Yeah, there's Scalise.
Yeah, there's Jordan.
But there's a lot of secondary players.
And if anyone claims they know exactly what's going to happen, they're kidding themselves.
That was the deal is there was one guy who could basically unite the caucus.
And we've just thrown him out.
And anything's on the table.
And I agree, Jim Jordan would be a good speaker.
But I think, among other things, there's going to be a non-zero number of Republicans who are going to say, we're not going to reward Matt Gates by giving him, you know, a speaker who's more in his direction over this tantrum that he threw.
That's what they would call it.
And that just sets up the room for a lot of bitterness.
We've had these claims that they're on the brink of a fisty cuff, so they're going to fight each other.
Well, that's not good.
Yeah, get that clip.
And once we have it.
Clip 72 of that player.
Rep Garrett Graves, Tel CNN's Jake Tapper.
There have been fist fights if we didn't recess.
Do you agree with Congressman McHenry's decision?
He's the temporary speaker, the speaker of Po Tem, to put a pause on the week to let tensions settle.
Jake, I'll be really candid.
I think if we had stayed together in the meeting last night, I think that you would have seen fists thrown.
And I'm not being dramatic when I say that.
There is a lot of raw emotions right now.
I think it was best to let folks go back home, decompress a little bit, and then come back together.
So, yeah, that's the situation that we set up here is we have multiple factions in the house.
We've essentially politically assassinated the one often disappointing figure who is at the head of it.
And we're in uncharted territory.
And I do admit, you know, we've said we like McCarthy's always treated us well, but I do think strategically there's certain he made some huge mistakes.
The most obvious to me is the January 6th footage.
He said he'd release it.
What is the story with this?
I don't know.
That could have quelled the rebellion.
It was always over and over, people would complain.
And that's what always signaled the sort of bad, like he didn't mean to keep the deal.
It was always like, it's going to come out.
Let's play this out.
One second, Andrew.
One second.
If McCarthy Blake would have called Gates into his office the day of the CR and said, here's all the footage, do you think he'd still be speaker?
I think it would have made it a lot harder for Gates to.
What do you think, Andrew?
Let's just play that out.
What do you think?
So I just wanted to give some inside baseball.
I texted a couple staffers about the J6 footage, and their answer to me was, it's already out.
Now, I pushed back.
I said, I don't think it's all out.
And they said, they pointed me to this new Blaze story.
And Blake, I could set it to you so you can throw it up on the screen if you want.
There is sort of some breaking reporting.
It hasn't been widely covered just yet, but it is out.
And I'll pull that up for you in just a sec.
But I do want to say, Blake, you said, we got rid of the one guy that could unite the caucus.
I think the bottom line is McCarthy's mistakes strategically, first on the debt ceiling, secondly on the shutdown fight, were just too grievous.
And now you hear a lot of people on either side of that debate say, oh, he lived up to his promises.
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And then they say, no, he didn't.
I mean, at the end of the day, he caved.
You know, I think if he would, I think the one thing that could have saved him, the one thing that could have saved him was shut the government down.
Show that you're willing to fight for something real.
When he chose to sort of capitulate and be the quote-unquote adult in the room, that signals.
The way he said it, too, I think bothered a lot of people.
I think you're basically inferring that the people who could displace you as a speaker are children for wanting to balance the budget or not even balance the budget, not have a $2 trillion deficit.
Yeah, it's there was it sucks because we did get one thing that was good, which is they didn't give more money to Ukraine.
But that was the weakest one because we immediately had reports that, oh, they're going to stick it back in.
McCarthy supposedly made these promises.
Oh, they'll do a situation.
And that's the only win we had.
And so you needed something.
And again, it was if you pair that with, okay, well, now we'll bring up the article that supposedly they did release the rest of the footage.
But if they did, they didn't make a lot of noise about it.
They could have really hyped it up.
He handled it badly.
And man, all these stupid pop-ups that happen on these websites.
Yeah, he started well, though, right?
When he gave it to Tucker Carlson.
And then, I mean, that was a massive, massive news story.
It must have been intercepted by the intel agencies.
Is Jack back on?
Jack, why did Kevin McCarthy?
We're here.
We hear.
How's the audio?
We good?
Yes, Jack.
We hear you.
So, Jack, no one's fine.
No, you're fine.
So, Jack, why is it that Kevin McCarthy never released the footage?
I mean, what we were saying is a hypothetical, the J6 footage.
Kevin McCarthy's going to do this CR.
He knows that his right flank is coming from.
He's underestimating that threat.
What if, hypothetical, he would have brought Gates and Good and all these guys in a room and said, here's a hard drive, guys.
45 days, keep me a speaker.
This is a big deal for you, right?
Do whatever you want with it.
Do you think he would still be speaker of the house?
Look, I think there are so many things like that.
I think the J6 footage, I think even for me, it's more than just the J6 footage, okay?
And I've said this before in terms of where I think we should go from now, but one of the big things that a lot of us said going into the new House GOP before the speaker was even decided was don't close the Jan 6 committee.
Keep it open, but restructure it so that it becomes under our control.
And then it's an investigate, a real investigation into what happened on Jan 6.
So it's a more comprehensive answer to the same question because, yes, then it gets you full access to the video, plus investigators.
You bring in Darren Beatty, you bring in Julie Kelly, you bring in everybody that's involved, this whole thing.
And then when you start issuing subpoenas, you start subpoenaing people that they don't want us to talk to.
You start bringing people in, actually get to the situation where we can have those cross-examinations that didn't happen under Pelosi.
Look, the Democrats understand theater.
They understand political theatrics.
They understand.
Now, does it persuade our side?
No.
But their side loves it.
Their side is enthralled with it.
And then, you know what?
There were even people like Steve Bannon, who, when they refused to speak to that committee, then got referred to Congress.
And you had snakes like Nancy Mays who went along with it.
And then Steve Bannon had to go on trial and is now facing four months in jail because he refused to submit to Nancy Pelosi's committee.
Why didn't we have anything like that on our side?
We had nothing like that.
There is this.
I want to introduce another interesting angle here, Jack, and Andrew, Blake, whoever.
So there's this talking point.
Jack, you've heard it.
Tucker Carlson famously said on his program that Kevin McCarthy would climb through a sewer of glass just to be Speaker of the House, right?
Blake, he wanted to have his portrait.
He wanted to be a guy who has, you know, next to Nancy Pelosi and then John Boehner a little bit over.
Yes.
Kevin McCarthy was a speaker of the United States House, just like Henry Clay and Sam Rayburn before him.
He wanted to be speaker.
I think that he was almost what defined his career was, I want to be in charge.
I want to be student class president, right?
And that was kind of well known, right?
Jack in DC circles.
But is now a new truth that has emerged?
Did Kevin, was he, did he want to not violate, that's a double negative.
How do I, how did I word it?
There was something Kevin didn't want to be as much as speaker.
He didn't want to violate the regime.
Because if he would have shut down the government and released the J6 tapes, he would still be speaker.
Maybe he caught the car too.
It was like, you know, Matt Gates caught the car of drumming him out.
What do you mean by that?
Well, so Kevin McCarthy wanted to be speaker and then he caught, he caught the car.
He became the speaker.
Is like, I don't want it that way.
This sucks.
This is terrible.
We were joking, Andrew, when he became speaker and we said, you sure you want the job?
Right.
And because it's a four-seat majority, and you're ideologically not necessarily in line with the people that you have to lead, right, Andrew?
Yeah, I mean, I think the history, when it's written about McCarthy's speakership, is that he essentially had to sell away any security that he might have otherwise had in order to attain the speakership in the first place.
So now the big debate is about this.
Can one member of the House bring about a motion to vacate?
Right.
And so that's why you have Mitch McConnell going on and saying, I want to thank Speaker McCarthy.
You've been a tremendous uniparty puppet just like me.
But, you know, if I could give one word of advice to the incoming speaker, you know, you got to change that rule.
Right.
And then you had Jim Jordan.
I saw him on with Fox and Friends and Kill Me and said, are you going to get rid of it?
And then meanwhile, you had Matt Gates saying, you know, he was asked right after Speaker McCarthy was ousted.
He did a little press gaggle outside of the Capitol.
And one of the questions were, you know, will you accept the new speaker without this single member being able to bring up a motion to vacate?
And he said, absolutely not.
So you've got Matt Gates saying he will not approve the next speaker without a single member motion to vacate clause.
Meanwhile, you have all the establishment voices saying, get rid of this thing.
And Jim Jordan, I think, did a good job.
He said in his answer, he said, you know, listen, that's something the conference is going to have to debate and come to an agreement on.
But I have a feeling that is going to ultimately be the big sticking point.
The question is, can Jim Jordan, who Matt Gates defines as his mentor, can he quell Gates to say that you need two members?
I mean, obviously Gates has eight people with him right now.
So why don't you just say, well, you need eight votes.
You need eight votes to bring a motion to vacate.
If not, then here's the next element.
Sorry to interrupt, Andrew.
The establishment, the regime, they're pissed.
Let's use thought crime language, right?
I mean, you see these messages.
I see it publicly and privately.
They're going to want to redefine the Congress in their image.
They're not going to do anything that good in Gates, Luna, Donalds, and Roy want to do, right, Blake?
Of course not.
They're really, at a minimum, they're really annoyed that he just went and, you know, at a minimum, we'll spend a week on this.
We could spend many weeks.
It could just be essentially derail everything they had planned for this fall, good or bad.
And it's all for a guy who, as we mentioned, this is not the end of his career.
I'm not sure if he's officially announced yet.
He's running for governor.
He probably will.
Very heavily rumored at minimum.
And so, you know, he sees his career as either a different office or, you know, hosting, maybe he wants to host a Fox show or some other program.
And that's his future.
And he sees this essentially as a way to increase his fame.
And so all of these guys who are in the House for the long haul are like, this guy who he's basically using the House as his personal, you know, bully launch, launching pad, his launching pad.
And well, this is a chamber of the United States government that has to pass legislation.
And it's not just a Fox News show.
It is not just, yeah, it's not just a Fox News show.
It's not just a bully pulpit.
So Jack, let me ask you a provocative question here, since this is thought crimes.
This never would have happened with Boehner.
This never would have happened with Pelosi.
Is there an argument to be had that McCarthy was not Machiavellian enough in creating oppo files, threatening blackmail, and basically telling dissident, rebellious members from the beginning, I will destroy your life if you walk out of line?
Well, I suppose you could say that to an extent, if not for the fact that Matt Gates has already had pretty much all the oppo possible drops on the wire in the last couple of years, right?
So what could you possibly put out in terms of Oppo to hang over this guy's head that hasn't already been put out over the last, I don't even know, I don't remember exactly.
I think 2020, I guess, is when it really started.
2021 was the spring of 2021 when they said that he was under DOJ investigation for sex trafficking.
It was February or March of 21.
And then there's already an ethics investigation open on him currently.
So all of this stuff is going on and he just keeps not, he just keeps not going on.
So yes, you could make that argument maybe, but with Gates, I don't know what else you could do.
It's already all out there.
Well, Jack, on that note, we have Senator Mark Wayne Mullen talking about Matt Gates.
Do we want to play it?
Yeah, let's play it.
No, no, no.
I just want to say Matt Gates denies all these allegations.
This is just a flavor of a taste.
We played it on our show, and I felt uncomfortable playing it because it felt like tabloid-y crap.
But this is a U.S. senator who, by the way, is an ally of McConnell.
This is not like Rand Paul, right?
So obviously this U.S. senator is just communicating the OPPO.
Basically, they're coming after Matt Gates hard.
They're not going to lay off of this sort of narrative, right?
They're basically going to say Matt Gates is Hugh Hefner, and they're going to, by the way, listen carefully.
He says underage girl in this video.
Okay, what tape is this, Ryan?
I thought it was like 30.
Yeah, play that, please.
Play it.
You got to think about this guy.
This is a guy that didn't have, the media didn't give a time of day to after he was accused of sleeping with an underage girl.
And there's a reason why no one in the conference came and defended him because we had all seen the videos he was showing on the house floor that all of us had walked away of the girls that he had slept with.
He'd brag about how he would crush ED medicine and chase it with an energy drink so he could go all night.
This is obviously before he got married.
And so when that accusation came out, no one defended him.
And then no one on the media would give him a time of the day.
All of a sudden, he found fame because he opposed the speaker of the house.
It kind of makes me think, obviously he denies that, although it does make me think of the old Alice Cooper anecdote where he got, he supposedly bit the head off a chicken on stage.
And he actually did not.
And he denied it.
He bit a head off a bat.
And I think he literally did it.
I can't remember.
But Alice Cooper supposedly bit the head off a chicken.
And then Frank Zappa calls him.
He's like, I don't care what you actually did.
Don't deny it under any circumstances.
And that's what Alice Cooper lived his entire career doing.
And now it's like, so he didn't, you know, admittedly, like the videos he supposedly was sharing, which he denies, like not with underage girls.
Sort of like, do you want to, you know, if you're doing this all to get famous anyway, just sort of like be evasive about everything and just say, like, people say a lot of things about me.
A lot of these things are unfair.
I mean, don't you think it's kind of like Gates has a little bit of that Trump ability where it's kind of baked into the cake that, yeah, we know you were a bit of a Lithario.
You know, you had a relationship with, what is it, Cassidy Hutchinson.
She denies it.
Like, like, you know, Gates is married, though, now.
Even Senator Mark Wayne Mullen said, you know, he admitted.
He's like, obviously, this was before he was married.
I think, you know, listen, I think we're socially conservative on this show, safe to say.
However, it's also baked into the cake with Matt Gates that he's not as socially conservative.
And this was just the way he was before he was married.
I think everybody knows that about him.
It looks like he's...
What's that?
He's like Silvio Berlusconi in Italy, where Silvio Berlusconi is this, you know, right-wing leader in Italy.
He'll even, you know, support all of these.
Or the Argentinian guy.
Yeah, he'll even support socially conservative policies, as does the Argentine guy.
The guy's like, yeah, I'm very pro-life, anti-abortion.
He's a polygamist.
Yeah, he's like a polygamist who is pro-drug.
Yeah, and he does like weird Taoist stuff.
Yes, very strange.
It's all very strange.
And same with Berlusconi.
And you just, you lean into it.
I'm a colorful character.
It's like, what I personally do is not the same as the policies that I support.
And you just build the legend up.
I mean, that's Gates in a nutshell.
It's just kind of like, can we stop acting like a bunch of losers all the time?
Trump's Speaker Strategy00:05:45
Like, I'm sick of this whole, like, oh, we're the Republicans.
We're the Ned Flanders party.
Hi, Diddy Larino Naborino.
Did you get the game?
Did you see the, you know, what happened?
What was going on with the church bombs this week?
Like, hand the mic over to Martin Shkrelli, hand the mic over to Donald Trump, hand the mic over to Matt Gates a little bit.
And you guys, you'll sit there and you'll say, you know, Mark Wayne Mullen is a guy from Oklahoma.
It's the first time he's ever caught a promo in his life.
I think the last time he did anything that he actually stood up for was regulating UFC.
If you guys remember that bill he was trying to push a while back, it's like, oh, let's get in there and regulate UFC because this is too dangerous.
You know, I remember when John McCain used to say that crap too.
It's like, these guys are such losers and they wonder why they completely lost the culture.
They wonder why nobody takes them seriously.
They wonder why they just sit and they hector you like a bunch of school marms.
Seriously, I'm sick of this party.
This is why I got out of politics and totally quit politics a long time ago before the Trump movement.
It's why I didn't vote for Romney.
So I didn't vote for McCain.
It's just ridiculous.
I'm sick of the old GOP.
I'm sick of this crap.
So let's close this up then.
Do we like Trump as speaker, Jack Pesobic?
I mean, it's more kind of a fun topic of what this would look like.
Dan Crenshaw is not going to vote for Trump as speaker.
Okay, let's just be honest, right?
I mean, Dusty Johnson, Don Bacon, right?
But it's a fun thought exercise, right?
Blake.
The way it happens, the way it happens.
There it is right there.
Yeah, Trump.
Yeah, just the way it happens is they bring it up and it starts voting.
And then they're halfway through.
And then some of the Democrats just say, yeah, I vote Trump as speaker.
I want to see what happens when that occurs.
And they lean into it and they're like, yeah, full chaos mode.
And admittedly, I can imagine a lot of funny imagery.
One, you buy him a gavel that's two or three times as big as normal one.
Just give him the hugest gavel ever.
Two, just imagine, imagine we're getting, you know, every time they hold a vote, vote, Trump's like, let's have a nice, clean, fair vote, unlike the 2020 election, which was rigged.
And then you have the Speaker of the House election, or Speaker of the House, the State of the Union address.
He could either just cancel it.
He has to invite Biden to give the speech.
He would just give it himself.
He could give it himself.
He could just say, here's the real state of the union.
Up, up, you, as Biden.
And I apologize for my terrible Trump accent, by the way.
Or we get the normal state of the union, and he's seated right next to Kamala, behind Biden, you know, making all of his facial expressions during the speech.
There's a lot of potential here.
And I admit it is so ridiculous to imagine, but I want you to occur.
Hold on, I won't.
Hold on a second.
Jack, this obviously plays to all of Trump's strengths, right?
Parliamentarian issues, detail, sitting in rooms for six to seven hours on end, organizing people you disagree with to try to have concessions on micro policy debates about the abstractions of corporate tax.
All those things obviously play to Trump's strengths.
No, see, what I think Trump is actually doing here is this is classic art of the deal, right?
It's a threat.
So he's threatening that he'll put himself up for speaker.
And oh, by the way, threatening that he'll reach out to his entire army, right?
As Newsweek calls it, and the FBI call apparently, army of Trump supporters through email and text messages.
Can you imagine the text messages, right?
Your member of Congress is refusing to support me for speaker.
Here's their phone number.
You need to call them immediately.
You need to get them on the horn.
Why do you refuse?
And imagine that in every single Republican district in this country going on.
No, so what he's doing is he's threatening them.
And then he's basically coming back to saying, all right, I'll remove the threat if you agree to MAGA terms.
And you have to agree to those terms, number one, to get the Trump threat to go away.
But then, number two, also to help him with the election endorsements, et cetera.
There's so many things he can use with this.
And then, number three, you still have Matt Gates out there with the potential of the MAGA nuclear option, the command by negation.
He could do this whenever he wants.
The real thing that's very interesting, by the way, is the fact that not a single person has asked what's Ron DeSantis' opinion on the situation, opinion on the speaker question.
And that is because the governor has reduced himself into complete political irrelevancy.
So, Andrew, Trump for speaker.
You know, I got to admit, there's a part of me that really loves it.
I think to Blake's point, I can just see the, I mean, let's be honest, DC is a complete circus.
It's a clown show, and he can be the Barnum and Bailey of all of it.
And I think, you know, there's a part of me that would enjoy the chaos just because how could it get any worse?
And actually, maybe he would be surprisingly good at it.
When you talk about the art of the deal, getting people together on the same page that disagree with each other, he's actually pretty good at that.
Some of his, I would say, worst outcomes as president were probably because he actually enjoys, you know, making friends with Schumer and things like that.
So that's maybe you could look at that as a weakness or a strength.
I think when you talk about detail, when you talk about parliamentary.
I'm kidding.
I'm thinking Speaker of the House is an awful job.
Let's just be honest.
Yeah, no, I completely agree.
You have to sit in subcommittee meetings and you have to get yelled at by bow tie guy because page 84 has, you know, a section three has some sort of regulatory issue.
And Trump would be like, forget it.
You're the worst.
I used to like you.
Take that stupid bow tie off.
Now you're, it's just like not exactly, it's not exactly, he's a macro guy.
Magnesium Deficiency Debate00:03:18
Can we all agree?
Trump is macro, right?
And this speaker of the house is both macro and micro, where you have to, it's babysitting 217 people, right, Blake?
Exactly, exactly.
Just imagine him trying to corral them, you know, for the caucus meetings.
Even just like the basic fact, the house will now meet at Bedminster.
Yeah, he's just, he's going to either force them to leave DC or he'd have to go to DC, which he probably doesn't want to do.
He barely like doesn't even have his hotel anymore.
Yeah.
And it's all right.
I wonder if there's any other non-house speakers.
Like you could name anyone.
You could elect.
You could elect Tucker.
You could elect Elon Musk.
You could.
Zeldon is a name that people would be great.
Zeldon would be terrific.
You could.
Anyone.
Zeldon could unite the tribes.
Zeldon could unite the tribes.
Speaker Charlie Kirk.
Oh, yeah.
You know what's so funny?
Someone actually recommended that in the chat.
Am I old enough to be speaker?
I don't think there's any rules.
I think you could elect a child speaker.
Wow.
Charlie turns 30 next week.
I would be a real bad speaker.
Let me tell you.
That would last.
Charlie's on the last gas of 20s.
I know.
I'm too old for this.
I'm returning.
The young Charlie Kirk.
Next Saturday.
I'm done.
I made a promise I'd do it till I'm 30.
You have to retire because they're going to dine with me because I'm going to go become a college football coach.
I gave it 12 years, guys.
See you later.
Amen.
It's not a joke.
I'm going to start my college football coaching career.
You're going to Colorado.
You're going to prime time?
I will not coach for Deion Sanders.
That would not go well.
That would last about an afternoon.
Yeah.
I'll let everyone kind of just that pause of people wonder why.
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Empathy and Political Shifts00:15:32
And you guys have been blowing up our feeds about white liberals that are being stabbed by black criminals.
So I'm not really following this as closely.
So, Jack, educate me.
Right.
So, you've got this is the love story of Antifa Betty, the tragic love story of Antifa Betty and her Antifa soy friend.
And what we have here is heavier as a failure to communicate.
No, it's 4 a.m. in the morning, two essentially Antifa members, supporters.
And this, this, you know, is immaterial, people would say, to the video itself, but I disagree because they encounter, and before we play the video in full, guys, just pause there for a second.
Before we encounter what actually happens to them, they're sitting on a bus, you know, bus stop bench, Brooklyn, New York.
A crazed black psychopath wielding a knife at 4 a.m.
Walks past them.
4 a.m.
Yeah, it's like 3:51.
The timestamp is there.
He walks past them.
In the video, you can see the guy get up off the bench with his girlfriend, walk towards the maniac, engage him, start speaking with him.
Then he gets threatened with the knife and finally at that point, freaks out and runs away.
He trips over the bench.
He is stabbed to death.
There's no reaction whatsoever during this at any point from the girlfriend.
Then after they leave, she refuses to give the police a description of the assailant.
So I think we have the uncensored video.
And because this is Rumble, I say we let it fly.
Yeah, let's let it fly.
And that's actually not unusual.
I'm going to give an anecdote at a Germany that actually fits this that you may or may not know about because I actually got very little coverage.
Let's play it.
So over under how long that guy's going to be back on the streets.
Probably less than a decade?
Crime of crime.
Crime of passion.
He'll just say, yeah, crime of passion.
I'm sorry, not a, you know what I mean?
A crime of excitement, not premeditated.
They'll say he was on drugs, systemic racism.
Way more simple.
We'll just have, you know, the structural racism act of 2028, and they'll just kind of like saw 75% off of all of the prison sentences.
Yeah, so, but this gets weird, Jack, or noteworthy because this person was a super left-wing activist, right?
And this is happening in a bizarre, like, this is a, well, it's very strange what's happening right now, right, Jack?
It's in Philadelphia, here, Baltimore.
There are these pro-BLM white liberals that are getting hunted down by blacks at an alarming rate, right, Jack?
It's the Baitzuo genocide.
It's the Baidzuo genocide.
The Baitzuo genocide.
It means white left in Chinese.
On Chinese internet, they like to call white liberals the white left.
Baitzu.
I can't say it right, but.
But it's not just whites, right?
We got Puebliar, the Democrat congressman who was carjacked.
You've got this Shivanti South Benandon, a Minnesota Democrat who got carjacked.
And then, yeah, you have this Philly guy who was like obsessed with Larry Krasner.
He was shot seven times and killed in his home.
And then, you know, and then you're your supporter.
He's a Larry Krasner supporter, yep.
The guy who my brother actually knew, by the way.
What's that guy's name?
I don't have it listed here.
Josh Krueger.
Yeah.
Say it again.
Josh Kruger.
And I don't think we know specifically if that was, he might have been shot by someone he knew.
He was in like the drug world.
No, no, there is a person.
There is a person of interest in that.
However, that person was.
So we're told that it was a former lover, also similar to the Matthew Shepard situation where he was killed by a former lover, despite what the media will tell you.
And in this case, that the same former lover who killed Josh Kruger shot him seven times in the chest.
Police also say that this person of interest, and again, person of interest, not suspect, not arrested yet.
So all the caveats there.
But they do say that there are text messages that seemed very alarming to them from this individual, and that it was the same individual who had essentially broken into his house recently after getting out of prison just some months prior.
So it seems to be a to your point, it wasn't like a random killing.
So Blake, let's take a step back.
Talk about the macro here.
So macro, just to kind of put it on display, put up Cut 90.
This is a cartoon that actually pre-existed.
It was before the last few weeks.
It's a kind of a cartoon where it's, you know, this mother and her child walk in and they see kind of this like angry looking kind of white homeless guy.
And she's like, let's do her.
And then at least we're still alive.
And then same thing with a different race where they're like, let's keep going.
And well, at least we're not racing.
And, you know, that definitely is kind of a dynamic that probably plays out, for example, in the Brooklyn case.
And not in every case, but the big picture here is, you know, a lot of like elite liberals sort of, they'll say all the right things, but they know the score.
They don't live in the dangerous cities that they promote.
They live in, you know, they either live in a gated community or they live in their nice little like leafy suburb where it still looks like 1978.
And, you know, they know what's going on in their cities and they don't take part in it.
But you do have these kind of young, more radical ideologues who will very proudly say, like, it's all slander.
You know, Krasner is a great DA.
This city's awesome.
Everyone who says it's dangerous is full of crap.
And they die.
And then some of them end up dying.
They pay the toll, as it were.
But this is where it gets sick.
And Jack, I don't want to bury the lead here.
The most important part of the story you just kind of said quickly, and I don't think everyone caught it, that the young lady they were dating or whatever, she watches her boyfriend get murdered in the street with a knife.
And then when the police ask her, she refuses to disclose the race of the victim, right?
Thereby disclosing the race of the boy.
No, but again, it's not exactly rocket science.
No, what Blake is saying is that if it was a white assailant, then she would have been easily likely to.
Yeah.
But this is why I tell people, this is a very cynical black pill moment.
I hope everyone understands this.
This is a very, this is not funny in the sense of civilizational stuff because some people are saying, oh, you know, they deserve to die.
I don't like that stuff.
You guys could disagree.
You could, there's an element of, you know, awfully dark irony here.
But no, hold on.
This is where I get really blackpilled.
This is a young lady who watched someone she cared about get slit in the throat.
And when the police come to find out who did it, she refuses to give the information because she's more afraid of being called a racist than finding the justice for who killed her boyfriend.
I'm going to give you another example.
In Germany recently, a young lady was gang raped by a bunch, you know, the story?
By a bunch of Muslims and a bunch of Arabs.
She goes to the police and said, I was gang raped by a bunch of white Germans, lied about the race.
Remember this.
This is a real story.
So the police, right?
I don't know the timeline.
Prager just told it to me.
And if Prager says it, that means he's vetted it because he's very, he's a stickler for this stuff.
And I can find the time.
So the police go and try to find a group of white Germans that raped this girl.
She was willing to protect her rapists.
When asked, she said, I did not want to increase the anti-immigrant sentiment.
This is a girl that was gang raped, and she was more concerned about protecting her rapists in pursuit of a racial revolution.
There is no saving these people because, you know, the talking point is, you know, they're going to turn into right-wingers as soon as their friends get murdered and their storefronts get bashed.
Jack, what did the friends of this guy say?
The friends came out and they said he would have felt sorry for them for this black maniac because he had a lack of stuff because he was underresourced, not enough resources.
He had under resources and a victim of society and a press member.
And this is why this black pills me.
I'm going to be honest.
I'm going to say this, and I say this with love.
I do say this with love.
Okay.
For the people out there who think all you need to say is that facts don't care about your feelings, it's actually backwards because these people will never accept appeals to reason.
Appeals to reason will never work on them, specifically for liberal women, but liberals in general.
It's because they are rooted in empathy.
Their politics are rooted in victimization, in empathy, in emotion, in emotional resonance, particularly for liberal women.
I tweeted this the other day that what leftism has done is taken the natural maternal instinct and then reprogrammed that for the marginalized and oppressed and victim classes of society.
It's completely Marxian, where they've taken this innate instinct that all women have to protect their children, and they've sort of gotten them to latch it on to these different, you know, these different groups of society.
And by the way, this doesn't only mean childless millennials or childless women.
You could have kids and still believe this stuff too.
It just means that they are playing on those natural emotional tendencies.
And so if you're sitting there citing statistics and logic and, you know, facts and reason and all this, like this is not even logic.
This is this.
This is what's so amazing, Jack.
You're making a smart point.
But when you see a murder happen in front of you, that defies that slit.
That's scarring.
That is feeling.
That's what's so amazing is that it's ideology even over feeling.
That's what's in because it's faith.
Yes, that's the point.
That's what we're getting at.
There's a phenomenology of spirit here where this woman here on screen, I want you all.
This is not isolated.
We have like tons of examples.
She was more concerned, right?
Blake, remember that guy in Atlanta that called the cops on the black guy terrorizing his family?
Yeah, and he starts crying.
I was like this.
He was black and all this.
So, Blake, I mean, again, I'm not black pilled on everything, but there is this talking point that I hear all the time.
Once it gets bad enough, people are going to come to the right.
I don't see that.
I see that they will only be like, you know, it's a damn shame that my best friend got slit, his throat slit in front of me, but let the revolution continue.
The one that I sometimes think of is Molly Tibbetts, the Iowa girl.
No, that's another good one, right?
Where 2017, her stepfather or whatever came out, University of Iowa.
He says, what he said was, like, I, you know, she was very pro-immigrant.
Yeah, she was very pro-im-immrant.
And then he, you know, after she gets murdered by an illegal immigrant, he says, you know, Mexicans, he just says Mexicans are like, they're just Iowans with better food, which, if you want to interpret that literally, it is they are, strictly speaking, superior to us.
They are exactly the same as us or better in all ways.
Very smart.
And you do, like, you will hear this.
They'll just be like, oh, man, we're getting a lot of, you know, refugees in this town.
What does that mean?
We're going to get a bunch of great restaurants, and otherwise, nothing will change.
I want to read this headline here.
There's actually, I was going to say, there's actually a little more to this.
Go ahead.
Okay.
His friends have launched a GoFundMe for this.
They say the beneficiary of this is Claudia Morales, the girl, the girlfriend.
They've currently raised $67,000.
This is not for funeral costs.
This is not for memorial.
It specifically says the money is for them.
We've got it here.
Bring it up on screen.
We can take it.
What do you mean for them?
Is that like a trans thing?
They, them?
No, no, no.
It says immediate needs are to offset the costs of working class people taking time off of work.
And essentially, it says that they're just raising money.
Like they're just taking money and exploiting this guy's death to put it in their own pockets to give it to her.
And here's what's so crazy, Charlie: is that I've so there's comments on this.
There's currently 39 as I look right now because when you when you donate money, you can comment.
Not a single one of the comments that I've seen so far have mentioned the fact that he was murdered, have mentioned the murderer, have called for justice, have called for accountability.
Someone saying, you love this one, actually.
The reaction by some to Ryan's passing jarred me out of a deep, nihilistic, right-wing abyss in which I was living.
Reading about Ryan and his work reminded me that each of us has a story.
We love, we laugh, we have goals.
I will probably think about Ryan every day.
Andrew, you haven't chimed in yet.
What the hell is going on here?
I mean, this is, I mean, this is really sick.
I was, I'm personally super disgusted by this whole story.
And I think my reaction is similar to yours, Charlie.
That when we say it has to get bad enough in some of these blue hell holes for it to finally get better.
I mean, I think that's true to an extent.
I mean, you see, Eric Adams is down in Mexico.
He's saying it's ruining, you know, immigration is ruining New York City.
You see this gang rape story out of Bemidji, Minnesota, which is like the sleepiest town in the Midwest.
Yeah.
It's a migrants to the whitest areas of America.
Why is that?
Yeah.
Well, Minnesota takes in more refugees and asylum seekers, I think, than any other state last I checked, or at least it's proportionally more than any other state.
But it's to the whitest areas.
Yeah, no, of course.
And but you see, this for folks who don't know this story, I mean, it's in the same vein as Brooklyn, Philly, Baltimore, which we haven't touched on yet, where you've got a white enclave.
The cops go, this 11-year-old girl was with an aunt, apparently, and the aunt took her out.
She gets plastered, says, let's hop in this car.
As soon as they get in the car, bags are put over their head.
I think they kick the aunt at some point.
They take the 11-year-old girl back to this home.
And inside the home, she's tied up in between two other girls who are also tied up.
Four men took turns gang raping all three of them.
One of the girls untied the 11-year-old girl.
She manages to escape and they take her to a hospital and she reports the gang rape.
Ideology and Brainwashing00:06:32
The cops execute a search warrant at the home.
And lo and behold, there's 11 illegals just chilling in that home where these girls were getting gang raped.
They've arrested one man who's actually native-born Texan, but he's Hispanic.
And the 11 others were put in the custody of Border Patrol.
What's to happen to them?
I have no idea.
I mean, every single one of them, if they were complicit in any way, shape, or form of this crime, should be freaking taken out on the corner of the street and shot point blank.
And the fact that we're just like unleashing hell onto the streets of America, I think that's how your tweet said it, Charlie.
And we are not more outraged.
And yes, we are.
But the fact that Democrats in these blue cities are not outraged at what they are unleashing onto America, I think is the most morally repulsive and black pilling event of at least the last five years for me.
I am so disgusted, but we see this trend in the media, and we should show image 101.
And it's a side-by-side because not only would this girlfriend not back to the New York Brooklyn poet, not only would the girlfriend not describe the victim or the assailant, now he actually, police get this guy and CBS blurs out his face.
And so we were having a debate, and Blake was like, is that common?
I was like, I don't think so.
I've never seen that before.
Except for the moment.
Of course it's so common.
It's because it's a black person who has privilege in America.
No, of course.
So that side by side with Daniel Penny, also CBS News, we see his face real clear.
Now he's infamous.
Now he'll never live a normal life again for defending people on a subway car from a crazy man.
But yet this guy stabs a poet.
The girlfriend won't describe what he looks like.
They get him.
CBS won't even show him.
And so it's so endemic.
It's so like saturated through and through, both the media complex as well as the little puppets on the street at 4 a.m.
I mean, I don't know how you fix it.
The brainwashing is so thorough.
And you can't fix it.
And this is what, and I had the long private conversation with Prager, and I asked him this because I really respect his moral clarity on this.
And he said, Charlie, I was of the belief for a couple decades that you hit rock bottom, then all of a sudden people start to wake up.
And it's not.
It's what Alexander Solshenitsyn wrote in the Gulag Archipelago.
This is all thanks to ideology.
Ideology will trump reality.
Yes.
That's what's so unbelievable.
Most Americans and the most American right, there is this inevitability.
There's this, hey, it's going to get bad.
And then all of a sudden, people will come to their senses.
Like, no, it's just going to get worse.
It's a vision.
I think a lot of it's sort of a very common fantasy is probably the best word.
A lot of conservatives believe it.
A lot of conservatives like the idea that people aren't listening to me, but there will be this day where there's this big cataclysm and everyone turns to you and it's like, you were right, Charlie.
Why didn't I listen to you?
Oh, I was so wrong.
And then they like sob and then you rebuild America.
It's like, it's sort of like the fantasy of, you know, there's an apocalypse and then you're the one who was prepared for it and all of that.
But yeah, the sad truth is, people can persist in ideological insanity to incredible depths.
The mind is so unbelievably powerful.
There are people who just fanatically believed in Adolf Hitler all the way to the point where, you know, the Soviets were in Berlin and gang raping everyone there and they had just completely destroyed their country and they still believed in him secretly afterwards.
And, you know, there were diehards for every regime.
It makes me think of two things.
One, you know, I've always wondered why, you know, in the Bible story of Exodus, Trump didn't let the original generation get to the promised land.
He let them all die off before they could.
Except Caleb and Joshua were only two that got in.
Honestly, for some reason, that's what I'm thinking of right now.
It's like, how do you get to the promised land with these types of people in your ranks?
I don't know.
It's depressing.
Secondly, it makes me think of the fact, you know, this debate of what to do on the border.
You know, all these, all these groups and Texas and Florida shipping migrants, illegals, to blue cities.
I mean, we're just going to get stuck with them forever.
I mean, these people will accept them.
So this is where conservatives get it wrong.
They think that they can just let things collapse, things will get worse and fall apart, and then we can come in and sweep things up.
No, that will not work because these people have been presented in ideology that persuades them.
The only response to this is an organized response, an organized vision for a way out, an organized system, a coalition of coalitions, if you will, whatever you want to call it.
You have to actually present a vision for what's coming forward.
You must articulate that vision.
You must organize your ranks.
You have to go around the country.
It'd be amazing if we had an organization that was going around organizing youth.
Hey, we should start one at some point.
Someone should do chapters.
Someone should do that.
You were trying to change the direction of America.
It's like you're trying to reach.
There's almost a point of turning.
We'll think of a name.
Jack, sorry, continue.
And then, and then you turn USA.
Love it.
Turn around.
Turn you.
Turn you.
How about this?
180 America.
I love it.
180.
No, and it's, and it's, and the thing is, is, is, people just assume that you, it's, it's going to happen by itself.
It won't.
This is why the Trump movement existed because people finally got off their butts.
They found a leader that people could rally behind, someone who had a clear, articulate vision for the way forward, someone who wasn't a loser, like one of these Ned Flanders old right Republican conservative dorks and was actually going to go forward and say, we're going to make America great again.
We're going to be rich.
We're going to be awesome.
We're going to put people on the moon and we're going to tell commies to shut up and we're going to send them back to Trotsky.
And it's basically a situation like that where it needs to come up again.
And if you don't have someone actually out there articulating it and organizations building it up, you are going to lose.
And this ideology, and by the way, thanks to the internet, right?
This crap isn't just stuck in like San Francisco and the inner city and stuff.
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No, it's in every single school board of the entire country.
And then thanks to the migration policies, you've got illegal alien pedophile gang rape gangs running through Bemidji, Minnesota.
So if you think that like, oh, it's just something I don't have to worry about.
Yeah, just wait until the migrants show up in your neighborhood and start gang raping your children.
Then you got to worry about it.
So if you go deep into Mexico, I mean deep, right?
And the cartels control everything.
There was a story recently I heard from someone that works for us who has family in Mexico where a guy raped a nine-year-old and the police get their hand on this pedophile.
And he's in the police house.
This happens all the time in Mexico.
And the cartels just came into the police house.
It was like, no, we're taking them.
And yeah, they cut that guy's nuts off, strung him up and killed him in the public square and left him there for a week.
Taliban started as pedophile killers too.
No, and I'm not saying that's that's actually why they got so popular.
But I'm not saying that's what we do here.
But what the point is that white liberals that go to college is like, well, we must feel sorry for the pedophile.
And you look at it like you must be taught this, is what I'm saying.
Is that at the most fundamental like existence, the third world, they don't put up with this stuff, right?
This is not something that is considered normal or acceptable.
You look at what is the commonality of every single one of these people right now, the blogger in Philly, the young lady that got raped.
Is it true that that young lady who is the tech CEO, Forbes 30 under 30 or whatever, that she held the elevator for her killer?
She let him in her building.
She let him and let him in her elevator.
And she had, you know, so if she was racist, she was probably still alive.
Think about this.
If she would have been racist, she'd still be living.
Number 95.
Show it again.
Charlie is patterned 100% racist.
No, no, no, no.
This is a thought crime.
If she would have been a bigot, she'd still be breathing.
Yeah.
Got it.
But remember, just like in just like in Brooklyn, to cross the street is racist.
No, but think about it.
So those two people on the street, it was Obama criticized his grandmother, I believe, for being someone who would cross the street if she saw an ominous looking person.
That's exactly right.
I remember there was like a radio interview.
Don't believe you're lying out.
She was a typical white person, I think, is what he said.
She was a typical white person.
I'm not making a defense for bigotry or racism.
I'm just, what I am saying, though, is that there's worse crimes, where there's worse things than bigotry or fear of strange black men.
Charlie, what you're touching on is actually deeply profound to the American psyche.
How I'll never forget, I was at a bar.
It was like a cigar lounge in LA.
I'll leave the name off.
The guy, the guy's a Cuban guy who owns it.
Actually, Michael Knowles has been in there.
I found that out that night.
But the point is, he was beloved.
This guy, everybody loved this guy.
And I was talking to him and he was making fun of how much Americans care about racism.
He's like, oh, in Cuba, we just call a spade a spade about all this stuff.
But the American psyche is so conditioned to put, you know, this accusation of racism and why it's been such an effective cudgel against those of us on the right for years is that if you call somebody a racist, it's, you know, like a death sentence.
I think that that era is changing slowly.
But yeah, I mean, nobody's.
But I mean, like this, let me just like interrupt.
Like, if you're a single white female in an urban area and you see a 22-year-old black guy that wants to get into your building and you have like maybe a pattern recognition, honestly, God bless you for not letting that guy into the building.
Okay, he has to wait for the next person.
You're still alive.
But no, instead, she's like, well, I don't want to be called a racist.
Let the revolution continue.
Oh, he comes in and rapes you and kills you.
Maybe a little bit of noticing would have been good.
You'd still be alive.
Pattern recognition saves lives.
What I'm getting at, though, is they're so afraid of violating the unforgivable sin of America.
It's not blaspheming the Holy Spirit or taking the Lord's name in vain.
It is thou shalt not have a racist thought, right?
And it's uniquely American.
I mean, I'm not saying that Australia don't have similar sort of things or whatever built into their society ethics, but America, because of the Civil War, because of slavery.
And you know what's funny is that so much of that is astro turf.
If you want to flip everything on its head, how about we say it like this?
No, America sacrificed 600,000 people to writing that wrong.
Yes.
No, you know what?
America, you know, the West in general ended slavery, right?
I mean, there's some serious slavery until the British Empire got rid of it.
Well, they're still selling slaves in Africa.
They're still selling slaves in Africa.
So I'm just saying it's like we have been so conditioned and brainwashed from a very young age to think this way.
And it's actually all BS.
I'm not saying that racism isn't wrong.
It's not real.
Sure.
But like the vast majority of this, what we call racism is what, you know, what we just diagnosed is pattern recognition.
You know, God help us for wanting to protect our family from something like that.
And also, it's just not even close.
3% of the population does 60% of the murders.
It's 3%.
Yeah, because it's, you know, it's not even just, you know, the usual one is that black Americans commit more murders, but it's even narrower than that.
It's, you know, if you take black men, like 15 to 26 or so, that is the range where a huge proportion of America's murders, robberies, everything.
You know, if you're women mostly don't commit too many crimes, and just like when you're old, you mellow out, you stop committing crimes, or you're in jail for crimes you've already committed.
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Okay, we spent a ton of time on those two topics.
I'm glad we did.
So, Jack, I'll be very honest.
I do not have the spirit, the gusto, or the interest in Columbus Day.
Why should I care?
The floor is yours.
Well, Charlie, do you care about a little something called the United States of America?
Do you care about a little something called the West?
Do you care about a little bit, something called the country in which we live that we are trying to save every day?
Well, none of that would exist if it wasn't for the man himself, Christopher Columbus.
And the real question that I have is, Christopher Columbus, was he a hero or a superhero?
Personally, for me, I'm going to go in the superhero column.
The man who was trying to find gold in order to fund another crusade to win over the Holy Land, the same way that King Ferdinand had just kicked the Moors out of Spain in the Reconquista.
They were eventually trying to kick the Moors and their brethren out of the Holy Land in the same year, by the way, the Rey Conquista ended.
Blake, what year?
1492.
What else happened that year, Blake?
Columbus sailed the ocean blue.
Every time you see it all, it all fits together right.
But how many people told you that it was directly tied to the Reconquista of Spain, the re-Christianization of Spain, of bringing Christianity to the new world, which they later found out it was the new world, and then hopefully the finding of gold in order to fund a new crusade against the Holy Land, which I mean, there's so many different things that are tied into this that just get completely taken out.
And look, look at how many cities in this country we've got named after Columbus.
Look at how many statues.
Our capital city is called the District of Columbia, based on Columbus.
Here's one for PopQuiz for anybody out there.
What is the statue on top of the United States Capitol building?
It's probably Christopher Columbus.
It's probably some woman named Columbia.
Well, it's the woman Columbia who is the stylized, you know, sort of goddess of America based on Britannia, who was the, you know, sort of the stylized goddess of Great Britain.
And then so this is, but again, based on Columbus, because the original name for America, which was very highly favored among even a number of the founding fathers, was to call our country Columbia based on the heroism and the exploits of Christopher Columbus.
And so, and I see people will say, like, what about Eric the Red?
What about, you know, what about the fact that he just got lost?
And it's like, you're, you're completely, you're completely missing the actual impact of the man's accomplishments in life and the absolute world historic change that it had on basically the entire planet and the trajectory of humanity.
All right.
That's the Italian propaganda, Blake-Wise Iran.
I mean, here's the counter-Jacquesovic is here.
Columbus Day is just the 1800s version of Juneteenth, which is America had a ton of Italian immigrants.
They were a controversial addition to the United States.
They were sometimes associated with urban, you know, urban crime problems and such.
And, you know, they were like, okay, we need to placate them with a holiday.
And so in a way, Columbus Day is just the 1800s version of Juneteenth.
Like, do people really celebrate Columbus?
The Founding Fathers confirmed.
I mean, the Founding Fathers, if you can point me towards the Founding Fathers celebrating Columbus Day as a federal holiday, all of them.
I'm not talking about celebrating Christian Day.
I'm talking about celebrating Columbus and Columbus's accomplishments, which is very clear.
So what I will say is that Columbus was a deeply faithful man.
Some of the writings from Columbus, you know, people, I don't know, I think they would criticize him as a, you know, you know, genocide against the natives.
These are some like, you know, I want to ask that.
Yeah, some of the comments that people will make this way and that way.
If you read his writings and you are a believing, spirit-filled Christian and you read Columbus's writings, you will instantly know that his faith was authentic.
His faith was so spirit-filled, so profound.
And I believe God absolutely, providentially led Columbus.
So zero doubt in my mind.
Just about three minutes.
Like, is there any truth to the blanket thing?
The blanket thing, not by Columbus.
That was allegedly done as a war tactic in the 1700s.
It was Lord Jeffrey Amherst, namesake of Amherst College.
They're very upset about that one today, of course.
But he's allegedly the one who did it during the French and Indian War, I believe.
Oh, Columbia University.
There's another one.
Yeah, Columbia.
There's Columbia stuff.
Yeah.
I mean, overall, obviously, it's fun to say, you know, it's 1800s, Juneteenth.
But yes, like we should, you know, celebrate Columbus because ultimately, Columbus discovering America was, it was a good thing, if only because it led to the creation of the United States of America, the greatest country in the history of the world, of course.
And it created the modern world.
We just, we cannot comprehend the world as it exists without Columbus being the guy who decided to miscalculate the size of the world, think he could sail to China in less time than it would actually take.
And he, you know, ran into America and it created the modern world.
We're all going to eat the foods that created.
We're going to live under the society.
And just he created, he actually created the global world, essentially.
Before that, it was just a bunch of continents far separated.
And it is because of Columbus's legacy that we live in a world that is fully interconnected and is Western in orientation, not Eastern, not Middle Eastern, not anything else.
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All right.
Closing thoughts, guys.
We have lots to get to.
Got to hit the road, head to Florida.
Any closing thoughts, Jack?
Christopher Columbus was a brave Italian explorer.
And in this house, Christopher Columbus is a hero.
End of story.
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We got into some pretty good stuff there.
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