Convicting a Murderer with Candace Owens and Rep. Bob Good
Why are so many on the left sympathetic to criminals and hostile to the police to protect the public from them? One big reason is the nonstop stream of propaganda from the national media. Candace Owens has a new documentary, "Convicting a Murderer," debunking one of the most famous liberal crime documentaries of all time. She joins Charlie to discuss it and the wider phenomenon of true crime documentaries training people to become pro-criminal. Plus, Rep. Bob Good discusses the tactics of a House impeachment battle and the coming 9/30 funding fight, and Charlie reacts to compelling new remarks by Tucker Carlson.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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And then Bob Goode on the latest from the fight in Congress.
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Very special guest joins us now, the legendary Candace Owens.
Candace, welcome to the program.
We are here to talk about a new project of yours that is very, very exciting, Convicting a Criminal, which is a response to this Netflix series, Making a Murder.
We have a trailer, but first, Candace, welcome to the program.
Tell us all about it.
Hey, good to be back.
Yeah, I'm really excited about this, Convicting a Murderer, which is really an answer or a reflection rather on Netflix's Making a Murderer, which was a cult phenomenon at the time that it was released in 2015, telling the story of Stephen Avery.
And if you walked away having binged that series, it was about this poor guy who was wrongly convicted and held in prison for 12 years, which is accurate, by the way.
He was actually held in prison for 12 years for something that he didn't do, which was the sexual assault and attempted murder of a young woman.
And at no fault of the police, the woman survived the attack and pointed him out in a lineup.
And so they, this was free DNA.
They lock this guy up for 12 years.
DNA technology gets better, forensics gets better.
And they actually realize that they've got the wrong guy in prison.
They release him.
He's out for two years.
And suddenly he's under suspicion and arrested for a disappearance and eventually the murder of another woman named Teresa Hallbach.
And so it was an interesting storyline and people were gripped by the plot.
And it was very much became White Lives Matter in that people were outraged, believed that this man was innocent, that they were framing him for the murder of Teresa Hallbach because of a pending lawsuit.
It created tribalism online.
Celebrities weighed in.
Trevor Noah, Chrissy T, and all the usual suspects claiming that this guy, Stephen Avery, had been wrongly convicted and that this was a case of bad cops, rotten cops.
And so it just turns out really that Netflix left out a lot of very important details and it becomes really fun to dive into true crime, especially because I'm a woman, women love true crime, but also because it still speaks to the political nature.
I don't know why we implicitly trust documentaries and celebrities to tell us the truth.
We shouldn't by now, but it really gets into really our mentality with propaganda.
And Netflix is always a willing participant in sharing propaganda.
There's so many important aspects to this.
I want to make sure everyone knows how to watch your response, Convicting a Murderer.
You guys, if you have a Daily Wire membership, you could do that.
Unveils the shocking truth behind one of the most controversial criminal cases in recent history.
Let's play the trailer.
It's really beautifully put together.
Play Cut 47.
1021 at 24 mainstream coffee.
Do we have Stephen Avery in custody?
Netflix made millions of dollars from making a murderer, but the filmmakers left out very important details.
Mountains of evidence that you have not yet seen.
The blood vial.
The most egregious manipulation from the movie.
Interrogations.
That's when he started beating me because I told him that he's sick.
Cell phones.
And I saw melted plastic parts on a cell phone.
Interviews.
Her arms were pinned behind her head.
They made Stephen Avery look like a victim.
You believe your brother's guilty?
I don't know if I'm a suspect.
I got an eye.
I'm getting sick and tired of media deception.
Evidence piling up.
Why would they omit so many different things?
Why are you editing my testimony?
I am not going to make the same mistake that the filmmakers did.
Rearranging the testimony, they delete a portion of it at the end.
How could they claim to care about the truth?
They all know that Stephen Avery committed this crime.
311, what is your emergency?
The evidence forces me to conclude that you are the most dangerous individual ever to set foot in this courtroom.
That is not what you would learn if you just watch Netflix.
Good for you, Candace, for responding to this.
I have an interest.
I have a question, Candace.
In our audience chat and also from our feedback and just from kind of anecdotes, the true crime genre seems to be overwhelmingly consumed by women.
Why is that?
Men don't seem as interested in this.
I'm just curious, why do you think that is?
It's really actually interesting because I was doing Lauren Chen's podcast, or no, rather, she was jumping on an X Space with us and she said the same thing.
It's really dominated by women.
We love ID TV.
We love watching a criminal mystery.
And I don't know what that is.
It might just be women's intuition.
We're maybe fascinated by the idea that somebody can trick someone, you know, and trying to lean into.
I think we're really fascinated by psychology and things of that nature, but there definitely is some sort of a biological proclivity that women have to these sort of true crime mysteries that men don't have, which is fascinating to look at.
But this particular case, actually, men were very invested in this as well.
And I think it might have just been because of what was going on culturally at the time.
I mean, they dropped this docuseries back in 2015.
BLM was just starting to get its footing in America.
There was this rise of anti-police sentiment.
And of course, it was seized upon by the mainstream media, not because they cared about this young woman who was horrifically murdered, by the way.
Teresa Hallbach was, you know, raped by two men.
She was shot.
She was stabbed.
She was set on fire in a burn pit and cut into a million pieces.
That's literally how this young woman died at 22 years old.
And the documentary makers didn't care.
You had these two lesbian documentary makers who were catching sort of a political wave of anti-police sentiment who wanted to essentially make a profit and perhaps suggest, which they heavily suggested, that this man could potentially be innocent, which we revealed their prison phone calls, which we got the hold of, where they were clear about their intentions, that they believed that he was innocent and were willing to steamroll over Teresa's body, her family, and the grief that they were going through.
But yeah, it is really a psychological phenomenon, and you are accurate, that women tend to lean more into this category.
But the answer to that, I don't know.
I'm just kind of amused by it.
Yeah, I have a couple theories.
The one that I would say is that men are more interested in macro, talking about the stock market, politics, philosophy.
There's a lot of very personal elements to true crime, right?
That it could be in your neighborhood, in your home, or your child.
I don't know.
There's something to it that is really interesting.
And so I never saw the original Netflix documentary.
As you all know, Candace, I'm not the most pop culturally literate person out there.
Just kind of build out for our audience, though, just how widespread of a phenomenon this was and how it moved people's sentiments.
I mean, you would walk away thinking you're a subject matter expert on policing and look at this poor guy when in reality, I mean, this guy is now a convicted murderer and was allegedly wrongfully convicted in 1985.
But do you think he actually was wrongfully convicted, Candace?
Yes.
Any person, whether you're a person that believes he's guilty or of this particular crime of Teresa Hallback or not, will agree that he was wrongfully convicted.
They actually ended up arresting the guy and putting him away who actually did commit the murder.
She just, this woman who survived this horrific attack pointed to the wrong guy.
It was the wrong blonde guy, kind of a similar build.
And she did the media circuit after talking about how horrible she felt that she put this man in prison for 12 years, something that he didn't do.
The thing that is not really told is that he was also serving a sentence at the same time, six years of that 18 years that he was in prison total was something that he did do.
He was very much a person that was capable of violence.
We show in the first couple of episodes, you know, he was torturing animals.
I don't know that the average individual grabs their house pets, douses them in gasoline, and throws them into fire because they just want to have fun one night.
You know, we tend to understand how a person can start with torturing animals and move on.
He was in prison, or he has a married cousin.
He ran her off the road, put a gun to her head and ordered her into the car.
Fortunately, or unfortunately, she had a small toddler in the car with her and she begged him to just allow him to drop off her toddler.
And then he had a second thought and turned around because he didn't know what to do with as he was following her.
So he had a whole history of violence.
And when Netflix spoke about it, they diminished it and they downplayed it.
And this sort of what you're really seeing, like I said, playing into early anti-police sentiments was people having their emotions hijacked by this Netflix docuseries, showing you a man that just got out of prison for something that he actually didn't do.
He's hugging his family.
He's back.
They sort of present him as this close-knit, wonderful family.
When you watch our docus series, you're going to understand that the family is filled with sexual deviance.
There's so much pedophilia.
They've pled, you know, not, they pled guilty to pedophilia within their own family.
But far be it from Netflix to tell you any of that.
The whole concept was this dejected man who just kind of wanted to get back to his family and his family roots.
And now, oh my gosh, he's being framed by the police.
And what was really fascinating to me about this case and why I wanted to jump into it, Charlie, was because it wasn't divided across political lines.
It wasn't like conservatives thought he was guilty and liberals thought that he wasn't.
This happened in 2015 and people on both sides thought that he was plausibly innocent, which is really fascinating.
You know, to go back and even pull conservative tweets, people thought that he was plausibly innocent, which really shows you how much we've moved as society from our reliance and belief in the mainstream narrative to where we are today, where I don't think that would be as possible following the collapse of the George Floyd narrative.
But that was the beginning of trying to make criminals look like they were heroes.
It really started with making a murderer.
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Candace, I was looking at the top podcasts in America.
Four out of 20 of them are true crime podcasts.
When I see the media, more particularly Hollywood, go all in on certain narratives.
I can't help but wonder what is their political objective.
Do you think more times than not, when they cover these stories, they're overly sensationalizing them to maybe make law enforcement look bad, to maybe try to get defund the police type narratives?
In this one in particular, it seemed as if to almost create a sympathy campaign for a criminal, not for a victim.
Candace, your reaction.
Bingo, I would say that you hit the nail on the head.
It's absolutely about whatever political objectives are of the day.
And at this time in 2015, as I hit upon, you know, BLM was brewing, and we know exactly what that's led to now today.
And so, this is why the documentary makers were able to do this late night circuit.
You had Trevor Noah, and he was really pushing the race narrative with this Stephen Avery.
He was like, Now you white people understand, you know, that you thought it was just black men that were going through this until you see this is happening to Stephen Avery.
So, this idea that Stephen Avery was innocent and the whole system was behind him, and you didn't think that it was plausible.
And now, white people can see too the injustice of the entire system.
Enter in BLM and give them all of your money.
And so, of course, you had Alec Baldwin.
You update he killed someone, but back then he was defending a person who had killed someone, being Stephen Avery, and screaming about his innocence.
But the thing that is really horrific to really think about this, and this is what people don't consider, is that when celebrities do lend their voices to this, when Alec Baldwin pretends to be outraged, I mean, he was so despicable that Alec Baldwin, you know, Teresa Hallbach, the victim in this circumstance, has a deeply faithful family.
They basically never spoke to the press, a committed Catholic family, and they only allowed the brother, her elder brother, it might be her younger brother, to speak out on very rare occasions.
And Alec Baldwin ripped him apart, saying he was faking his emotions.
This led to conspiracy theories that Teresa was still alive, people that were committed to the idea that she was in Mexico, that she followed the cows.
I mean, wild conspiracy theories.
And the family was attacked.
It was attacked.
So imagine losing your sister in this horrific way.
And then you have someone like Alec Baldwin leading the charge on conspiracy theory, saying that your emotions are not right because he's extracting you for 10 seconds, maybe in a courtroom.
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Who knows what he's looking at?
And it's such filth, it's such vitriol.
And it is such a backwards way of looking at our society where we attack the actual victims and we celebrate the criminals.
And when I say celebrate the criminals, Charlie, I mean Stephen Avery had multiple fiancés in prison, love letters, women that were, you know, sending him pornography, women that he's been dating because it turned him into a celebrity because people believed that even in the face of overwhelming evidence that he was guilty, that perhaps he wasn't and the system was just crooked.
I encourage you guys to check it out.
Candace deserves a lot of credit.
And by the way, also, while you have that Daily Wire membership, you could check out her documentary, which really made BLM go into hiding.
Congratulations, Candace.
You made them all disappear, all the BLM people.
As soon as you did your documentary on them, you don't hear much from Patrice Cullers or from any of those people.
I wonder why.
So check it out.
And honored to be working with Candace on Blexit.
And Candace is going to be doing several campus tours with us this fall.
Excited to get all those details announced.
I think we have Georgia Tech and Buffalo and a couple others.
tpusa.com slash tour.
It is called Convicting a Murderer with Candace Owens, done with the Daily Wire.
Candace, great job.
Talk to you soon.
Thanks so much.
Thanks so much for having me, Charlie.
Talk soon.
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Okay, joining us now is Congressman Bob Good, who is a fighter in the House of Representatives.
And there's a lot of questions today.
Congressman Good, your initial reaction to Speaker McCarthy announcing an impeachment inquiry.
I have some pretty heated thoughts on all of this, but I want your initial reaction and then we'll dive into it.
Congressman Good.
Well, I have long maintained that Joe Biden deserved to be impeached because of the border.
In my view, no president in the history of the country has done more to intentionally harm the United States than what he's done in his first two and a half years with 7 million illegals invading the country, not being permitted to do so by the Biden administration, but being facilitated by the Biden administration.
How do we as a Republican House continue to let that go on?
We don't need any more evidence for that.
We don't need any more investigation that they're willfully, purposely violating their constitutional oaths, and we ought to impeach the president for that.
That said, I do think that there's been tremendous work done by the Oversight Committee led by Chairman Jamie Comer.
And I think there is just mounting, growing implication of President Biden himself.
Much of that, of course, during the time when he was vice president, that he was complicit, involved, a party to, a recipient of the corrupt business dealings that were perpetrated by the Biden crime family.
And so I do think this is the right thing to do.
I think an impeachment inquiry is called for, and I'm glad to see that move taking place.
I think it should have taken place even more quickly or even sooner, but I think it is right to do it, even if it's at this time and point in time.
So, Congressman, here's my concern.
I'm 100% on board.
I think Joe Biden's a traitor to the United States and that some people in Gitmo have done less than him for selling out the country, being a Chinese agent, Chinese Communist Party agent, amongst many other things.
He's a liar.
His son is the scum of the earth, all that stuff.
Here's my concern.
My concern is that all of a sudden they're pulling this out of their back pocket right now, the moderates, as we have this massively important 930 looming deadline, the 30th of September, which is the whole ballgame, the big enchilada, if you will.
And I'm afraid, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm afraid that there might be some deal between the moderate wing and some conservatives where they say, oh, well, we have the impeachment in Korea and now we can do a dirty resolution on 930.
Can you give us some peace of mind that these are two separate things, that there will be no major concessions when it comes to 930 just because of the advancement of the impeachment in Korea.
Congressman Good.
Well, that's a great question.
There has been speculation by many, as you know, that perhaps this is a distraction or perhaps this is an effort to kind of show some semblance of toughness as it pertains to going after President Biden when we have not demonstrated any toughness, I would argue, as a party from our leadership in battling for the country on issues and particularly spending issues, as you know.
The number one responsibility of the House is to fund our government appropriately for the things that are necessary and justified constitutionally in the proper role of federal government and to protect our ability to borrow when necessary.
We have obviously fumbled that for decades.
We're at just a terrible crisis point with our national debt and our deficit.
As you know, Charlie, we're about to run a $2 trillion deficit with the Republican House.
We could do that with the Democrat House.
We don't need a Republican majority to run a $2 trillion deficit, $150 billion a month.
As you know, we came from the horrible Failed Responsibility Act, the debt ceiling agreement that raised the debt unlimited, as much as we can gleefully come together and spend until January of 25, with essentially no conditions to that.
It essentially maintains all the Biden, Pelosi, Schumer spending.
So that said, I will tell you this.
I can speak for my conservative colleagues whom I collaborate with, and there is absolutely no deal.
There is no, we are not in any way going to back away or surrender or weaken our position on the funding, on the appropriations, on the budget battle here.
And there's been no conversations that I am at all aware of to that effect.
And I'm quite certain that none of my colleagues who I collaborate with are involved in that in any way.
Okay.
And that's terrific to hear.
So let's now get to 930, because if I were to, look, some of the moderates that I don't get along with in the caucus, I could just see what they're going to do here, right?
They're going to privately say, hey, look, you guys get your little impeachment red meat.
Now give us more money for Zelensky and, you know, let's not shut down the government.
Congressman, let's get, what is the order that we're asking for on 930?
From our perspective on this program, it's Jack Smith, it's about the border, and it's about no clean checks to Ukraine.
I'm sure these negotiations are ongoing, and the Freedom Caucus and your colleagues have been doing a great job of really setting the standards and setting the negotiation table for 930.
Is there a willingness to shut down the government if necessary?
Is there a red line where you guys are not going to cross?
What are the big asks here?
Walk us through some of the inside baseball as much as you can give us, because our audience is fired up.
They're tired of seeing, I hate this idea of clean resolution.
That's why we call it a dirty resolution.
It's the same thing.
You're funding the same dirty, scummy, toxic government.
Are we going to get some cuts to DOJ, Jack Smith?
Help us The realistic expectations here in this negotiation budget fight.
The sad truth is, we all know from past history that it would be, you would take the bet of failure, a failure of Republicans to deliver.
We've got $32 trillion in national debt, about $100,000 per citizen.
Republicans have been complicit and contributed to that, as we both know.
Yes, Democrats are better at spending.
Yes, Democrats have been worse.
Yes, this administration has spent more in two and a half years than any presidency in the history of the country in two and a half years, but Republicans have been part of that.
And that's what January was about, Charlie.
As you know, to go back to January, January was about not doing what we've always done, not letting the American people down again, not betraying the trust they placed in us, and not having a Republican majority, and then doing what we did with the Failed Responsibility Act, which is to pass major spending bills or major pieces of legislation that deal with the nation's finances or economic situation with a majority of Democrat votes.
And so the Speaker has a choice, Charlie, to your question.
The Speaker has a choice.
He can reform the conservative coalition that existed for the first four months of this Congress.
He can keep his commitments that he made to some individuals in order to get their votes back in January, which was to go back to pre-COVID level spending for non-defense discretionary.
We can pass all 12 of our bills advancing Republican priorities and reversing the harmful policies of the Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi regime over the last couple of years.
And we can send it to the Senate.
And then it's up to the Senate to pass those bills in order to keep the government open or to prevent a shutdown.
We can do it with 218 votes in the House.
Democrats cannot, Charlie, as you know, they cannot pass their bills without Republican votes.
They don't have 60 votes in the Senate.
I've heard some senators criticize the House Freedom Caucus and say, hey, well, this isn't going to fly in the Senate.
Well, the only reason it won't fly in the Senate is if Republicans vote with Democrats to give them the 60 votes to pass Democrat bills.
And so this Speaker can be a transformational historical speaker that stares down the Democrats, that stares down the White House, that stares down the Senate and frankly just says no and says, we've done our job.
We've passed our bills if we do that, mind you.
And then it's up to the Senate to act on those bills in order to avoid a government shutdown.
And what I've said publicly many times, as you know, is that we shouldn't fear a government shutdown and we shouldn't pass bad legislation or cave to the Democrats or fail the American people to avoid the consequence of a shutdown or the risk of a shutdown.
If we have to use shutdown leverage to get there, then we should use shutdown leverage to get there.
But the House can do its job and the House can pass Republican bills that cut our spending and advance our policies.
What you just walked through sounds incredibly rational.
What would some of your more moderate colleagues object to that?
I mean, we're talking about sending to the Senate some very prudent adjustments in the federal budget, especially given that the Department of Justice is eliminating our federal elections right now.
We're trying to put Donald Trump in prison for 500 to 600 years.
I'm just curious when you're walking the halls.
You don't have to name any names, but I would like you to kind of just convey some of the oppositional attitude because our audience is really confused and losing patience.
Who that calls himself a Republican?
What are they saying when you say, hey, let's cut some of this stuff or let's send it to the Senate?
It seems very weak.
Just kind of clue us in here to what you have to deal with every single day.
To be honest, Charlie, what we're asking for, at least as the House Freedom Caucus position, the official position, is again to go back to pre-COVID levels for non-defense discretionary, meaning we're not dealing with mandatory this year at least, not Social Security Medicare.
We've allowed defense in principle at least to stay where it was because we've got some issues there and try to keep our defense hawks, if you will, on the team on that.
But then to go back to pre-COVID levels for non-defense discretionary spending.
That only boils down to about $115 billion year one cut.
It's an embarrassingly modest, reasonable number, if you will.
We're running about $150 billion a month deficit.
Now, so, but that was what the speaker committed to in January to my colleagues who negotiated an agreement with him.
There were 14 of the 20 who went and did that.
Six of us, as you know, never changed our vote.
So we weren't part of that specific agreement.
But it was reported and agreed to that we would go back to pre-COVID levels.
That was also what every Republican or almost every Republican voted for in the Limit Save Grow bill, except for three or four who wanted even more and couldn't bring themselves to vote for that modest figure.
But there were a lot of other good reforms that were part of Limit Save Grow.
So that's sort of the principled position that the House Freedom Caucus has held to.
We ought to at least be able to do that, advance our policies, which are really important within the legislation, but also to cut spending some degree with a Republican majority and recognizing that we're operating with one half of one branch of government.
But what we cannot do, of course, is to just business as usual, fail the American people and do what the senator, Republican senators are calling to do.
That said, Charlie, I think what you ask, hey, why would there be an objection to that?
I think there's a few different things.
Sometimes when you win with 51%, some of my colleagues, they're all worried about the 49% that didn't vote for them.
And they're afraid to take tough votes and tough stances because of the 49%.
And I'm always saying to them, worry about the 51%.
Do what you told them you would do.
Don't betray their trust.
And you know what?
You might win with 52, 53% next time.
I won with 52% the first time that I ran and acted as a bold, courageous conservative, I believe.
And I won with 57% the second time.
But then what other Republicans do is they tell themselves, we're going to fight next time.
This time we just can't do it.
This time's not the right time because maybe we don't have enough of a majority.
We don't have the Senate or there's an election coming next year and things are just too, but we're going to fight next time.
And as you know, next time never gets here.
I think they want to do the right things, but they're fearful or they fall in line and listen to leadership or they just tell them, or they just don't want to make the tough decisions because anytime you cut spending, somebody is impacted by that.
Somebody is benefiting from that spending, whether or not you might argue whether or not they should or not benefit from that spending or whether or not it's appropriate.
But they tell themselves they'll do it next time.
But doggone the Republican House should show that we have the stomach to stop borrowing from our kids and our grandkids, bankrupting our country.
The days, Charlie, of spending without consequence are over.
We're seeing record 40-year inflation.
We're seeing interest rates being rising because of a futile attempt to combat the inflation that wasn't from a hot economy, but there was an inflation caused by the spending.
And then we're also seeing our credit downgraded for only the second time in history.
So again, the days of spending recklessly and arriving at debt to debt to GDP ratios we haven't seen since World War II.
The consequence, days of doing that without consequence, are over.
I think the American people are increasingly realizing there's a connection between spending and the impact on them.
Congressman Bob Gooden, hold the line.
We are behind you.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, Charlie.
It's easy to blame Joe Biden for our border crisis.
It's easy to blame the traitor, Mayorkas.
It's hard to blame Republicans.
It's hard to blame the Republican Party for not doing its job.
I don't know if we have this particular clip actually of Tucker Carlson going after Greg Abbott, but Tucker gave a very powerful speech this last weekend in Michigan that touches on some of these themes.
And I want to play this and we'll riff on it.
Let's play Cut 38.
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The left, I will say to their great credit, are masters of organizing.
They are dutiful.
They show up.
They are disciplined.
And they are willing to put aside their differences for the sake of achieving a common goal.
They don't argue with each other in public.
They just all say the same thing.
They all vote for the same person because they know their strength and numbers at all.
They won't just sit around and wait for whatever the new lie of the day is and then just repeat it with dead eyes on television.
Liberals have no problem doing that because they know that's the path to power.
But they're right.
It is the path to power.
Organizing is the path to power.
Organizing is the path to power.
And we, as conservatives, are not as good at that because we're focused on our faith and our family.
Tucker talks about this in particular.
They are collectivists by nature.
Democrats love power.
We don't seek power.
We would rather have a beautiful community, not have our homes overrun by third world foreigners, people speaking the same language, an appreciation of our history.
Politics is not the ultimate desire for conservatives.
And they're using that against us.
Play cut 39.
Conservatives, on the other hand, are very focused on their family, their faith, their jobs.
Politics comes at least fourth in their hierarchy of concerns.
And they also have integrity and self-respect.
So it's very hard to get a conservative person to repeat some talking point he doesn't actually believe.
Should Republicans care more about political power?
We have to.
Now, we think with our own opinions.
Individually.
We don't think collectively.
Democrats say, oh, just tell me what to think.
Tell me what to do.
They're far less worried about individual rights, individual sovereignty, family formation, strong local community institutions.
The state gives them that purpose for them.
That's exactly what Marx talked about: the ruthless criticism of all that exists, constantly criticizing power structures to then go get power.
Herbert Marcuse said the same thing in One Dimensional Man.
So did Michelle Foucault and Jacques Derrida, the postmodernist thinkers of the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
Tucker Carlson then is making the most headlines for this.
And if you live in Texas, you need to listen carefully and closely.
Play cut 48.
How many Texans do you think are all on board with letting 7 million people cross into their state illegally?
What percentage?
Zero.
Zero.
I don't care what your race or national origin.
Nobody is for that.
That's insane.
Has the governor of Texas done anything meaningful to stop that?
No.
The Republican governor?
He's got a National Guard.
He's the commander-in-chief of the National Guard, and it's Texas.
So they're all large.
And they have double-stacked magazines in their sidearms.
You think they couldn't stop that in a week if they, of course, just assemble along the border.
We're not doing this.
No, he refuses to do that.
He won't do it.
And it's not like no one suggested.
I've suggested it to him three times, including in private at a cocktail party in Dallas last year.
What are you doing, man?
Don't you have a National Guard?
Why don't you seal the border?
Oh, it's very complicated.
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
If someone's trying to break into my house, it's not complicated to repel the person.
Do you have a firearm or don't you?
Are you willing to defend your house and your children or aren't you?
Why isn't Texas closing the border?
That clip keeps going and going, by the way.
And Tucker increases the pointed criticism of Governor Abbott.
If you live in Texas, you should not allow a single illegal foreigner coming into your state.
Why are they letting that happen?
It's a good question.
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