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Aug. 4, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Is Biden REALLY Running? with Julie Kelly
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Gavin Newsom's Presidential Bid 00:14:47
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Hour one, is Biden really gonna run?
Or are the signals coming through that he is in fact on the way out and that he is going to pass the torch to Gavin Newsom, Pete Buttigieg, Kamala Harris?
Who could be waiting in the wings?
What is really happening?
We also talk about Michigan and a fascinating new poll that sheds light on the third-party existential threat facing the Democrat Party.
And then we bring in Julie Kelly for a discussion about J6, the newest indictment against Trump, where it all came from, where it's going, and how it all might be part of a larger scheme.
We dive into it and we don't hold anything back.
I'll tell you that.
Without further ado, buckle up.
Here we go.
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So, but I want to get started here with this central question that really does animate so much.
It's all behind the scenes.
We know it's happening, but the Dems and especially Joe Biden and his team, his cadre, are going to be mum on it.
What is that?
Well, a new report from Free Beacon.
Top Dems prepare replacement for Biden.
This is from the Free Beacon.
Top Dems prepare replacement for Biden.
Donors and officials privately say the president won't actually be running for reelection, CNN reports.
So this is a whisper campaign.
They said in whispers and furtive phone calls, top Democrat donors and officials are saying that President Joe Biden won't actually be running for reelection.
This is very interesting because up until now, his public sentiments have all been around the fact that, yes, indeed, he is going to run.
This is as sure as death and taxes.
No pun intended for an octogenarian.
He is going to run.
He's running for reelection.
He's the only guy, just like in 2020, this happy Uncle Joe that can run against Trump and beat him.
Well, those Democrats are talking to possible replacement presidential candidates, according to the report, and urging them to get ready.
They say that the time is already running out for Biden, who has officially announced his candidacy, but hasn't named a campaign finance director, hired any on-the-ground staff in competitive states, or even opened a campaign headquarters.
All very, very interesting notes to take.
He has, again, let's repeat.
No on-the-ground staff, no campaign finance director, no competitive state, swing state, ground game.
And he has even opened a campaign headquarters.
So this is a persistent sense, according to the report, that Biden is running.
But, however, there is this threat that we talked about yesterday that Charlie outlined in brilliant detail.
They got the no labels party.
You got RFK Jr., who's polling at like 20% in approval ratings.
Now, some of that support is certainly coming from conservatives.
You've got Cornell West, Dr. Cornell West waiting in the wings.
Now, we reported yesterday that the Biden camp is feverishly working to deal with this third-party threat.
They see it as existential.
And lo and behold, we have this new poll out of Michigan.
So this is from Emerson College.
Take a look at that.
Now, it says they're dead tied.
It's a dead heat.
44-44 in Michigan.
Now, of all the swing states, Michigan was probably the least competitive for Trump in 2020.
Gretchen Whitmer has essentially squashed conservative power in that state, the witch from the north.
Now, but here's the interesting part.
If you look at that second group of numbers, Trump gets 43% and Biden 41%, and Dr. Cornell West gets 4%.
So what you see here is one of the first examples of why the left is so terrified of these third-party candidates.
This is a repeat of 2016, where a Green Party candidate, Jill Stein, ran and actually got more support than Trump's margin of victory in states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania.
This is the first sign of an existential threat to the Democrat Party.
Trump wins Michigan if Cornell West runs.
Now, like clockwork, like clockwork, Charlie predicted all of this.
The trolls at the Daily Beast came out with a hit piece against Cornell West yesterday that says he has not paid $500,000 in taxes.
That's right.
We get the report from Politico.
Lay out the timeline for you.
Report from Politico comes out, says the Biden campaign is feverishly working to snuff out third-party competitors.
Next, Dr. Cornell West hasn't paid $500,000 in taxes.
Now, there is no irony in this report that they were just about, the regime media was just about to cheer on Hunter Biden's sweetheart plea deal with the Department of Justice, where he had not paid over $2 million in taxes.
And they were about to cheer that on as justice served before a very prudent judge snuffed it out.
Now, here's the deal: they can't necessarily deal with all of the threats that are facing Joe Biden right now.
And meanwhile, we get reports that Gavin Newsom is doing all the things you would do as someone waiting in the wings.
He set up a pack, just like you normally would.
There's on top of that, by the way, not just, I'll get back to the Gavin Newsom piece.
The no labels party is Manchin has not ruled out a third-party run.
Gavin Newsom gearing up, RFK Jr., Dr. Cornell West, all of these threats hurt the Democrat Party.
So when we're all saying that we've got no ground game, the RNC is incompetent.
All of these things are true.
We need a Hail Mary.
Yes, Trump can be competitive.
Absolutely.
He won in 2016.
He can do it again.
He essentially lost 2020.
I mean, lost.
I know our audience.
He lost on paper by about 42,000 votes in three states.
But this poll in Michigan is the canary in the coal mine.
And now, Gavin Newsom, back to the Gavin Newsom thing.
You won't say he's running, but now we see that he's debating Ron DeSantis.
Why would you do all these things?
The super PAC, the ground game.
He's hired consultants.
He's hired ad buyers.
He's hired all the things, all the things that you do.
Why would he be doing that if not waiting in the wings for Joe Biden to quietly surprise everybody?
There you go, Washington Free Beacon.
PACK spending shows how Gavin Newsom is positioning himself for a presidential bid.
California Governor Gavin Newsom in March launched a PAC to take on red state authoritarian leaders and created a constitutional gun control amendment.
Newsom said in the organization's launch video that he was going to these states led by these strong men like Ron DeSantis and investing in people and organizations where they're fighting back.
All of this is a ploy.
There has never been in the modern times, maybe besides Obama, but not even a politician so slick and slippery as in serpentine as Gavin Newsom.
So what can we conclude?
We're hearing that Joe Biden really might not be running.
He's got all these headwinds with third-party candidates, Devin Archer testifying.
He's got his son a perpetual liability and Gavin Newsom waiting in the wings.
Will he run?
That's the question.
Now, I don't know what Charlie would say on this, but my prediction is that even Joe Biden doesn't know if he's going to run.
I think that eventually the heat will ratchet up to an extreme degree.
Biden is going to bow out.
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Is Biden really gonna run?
Now, look, let's look back.
Go to 157 here.
Let's show that poll again.
4% in Michigan are willing to vote for West over Biden in a three-way race.
What does that tell you?
Now, we like to talk about the Democrats as this sort of hive-mind organism that just thinks one way and they are constantly on the same page.
They're in lockstep, iron fist, while Republicans, you know, we're so independently minded.
We're just all over the place.
Make no mistake, folks.
The Democrat coalition is a ragtab group of far-left communists, a few moderates, and then essentially establishment, you know, hacks that just want to keep the money flowing.
Okay.
What this poll shows you is that 4% are complete ideologues in Michigan.
Different states is going to have different numbers.
But what I can tell you is that this tells you that the coalition that has been pieced together through duct tape and bubblegum in the Democrat Party is fragile.
4% going for West, an unviable candidate.
That means there's 4% of Democrat voters that are so ticked off at the fact that the Democrats haven't completely destroyed the economy and the capitalist system, that they haven't completely burned it down to the ground, that they're ready to get behind a guy like Cornell West, who, I mean, mind you, I have a lot of respect for Cornell West.
I think he's a fascinating figure.
I disagree with him entirely on just about everything, but I think he's an interesting person.
I think it's fascinating that 4% are willing to basically throw their votes away on a third-party candidate rather than vote for Joe Biden.
Now, let's go back to this piece.
Top Dems prepare for Biden replacement.
All right, let's look at this.
Okay, so you've got, let's just game it out.
Now, who are they going to actually run if he bows out, if Biden bows out?
Now, we've got Kamala Harris, but even in this article, it says Kamala Harris can't win a general election, one Capitol Hill Democrat told New York Magazine last year.
Obviously, we've talked about Gavin Newsome.
Now, I think Gavin Newsom is going to present a formidable challenge, but you've also got Gretchen Whitmer, the witch of the North in Michigan, no less.
Now, she's a very formidable fundraiser, I've been told.
She's also apparently a formidable just organizer.
She understands the levers of power.
She's, like I said, snuffed out essentially the conservative party, the Republican Party in Michigan.
It's been hard to watch in that state because there's a lot of patriots out there that are getting completely steamrolled by her.
Now, interestingly enough, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg has relaunched a super PAC.
And actually, Gretchen Whitmer has relaunched her super PAC as well.
So between these two, I mean, it's actually pretty sad how shallow the Democrat bench is.
I mean, who are you going to run?
Like Swalwell, Schiff?
None of these people are viable.
They're hated.
AOC, completely hated.
And then the guys that are actually sort of moderates, Manchin, is considering a third party.
So you got Gavin Newsom sticks out like a sore thumb.
But let's go back to the way he's spending his money.
This is what I think is really interesting.
So it says Newsom's national fundraising and spending numbers come as Biden's approval rating hits an all-time low of 35%.
That's according to Pew.
Some have him at 42%, some have him at 35%.
He's bad.
Now, actually, we would have said that Biden was the weakest incumbent candidate in a generation, or perhaps ever, but he's not.
Jimmy Carter was lower, 29% approval rating, and that was before Iran-Contra.
So, but he's essentially the second weakest incumbent candidate that we'd ever seen.
So, 75% of Democrats don't want Joe Biden to run again.
He's underwater on ethics in the White House.
We just learned that.
But check this out.
So, Gavin Newsom has funneled $11.6 million from his gubernatorial campaign to the campaign for democracy, his PAC.
So, he's spending on social media, big ad spends.
Phony January 6th Narrative 00:17:52
Where is he doing it?
In red states, in red states.
He's also sent $10,000 to Arkansas Democrats and the Democrat challenger to Ted Cruz in Texas.
He's essentially flushing money down the drain.
He's not trying to help Democrats.
He is not trying to help Democrats.
He's trying to increase his name ID.
He's trying to present himself as a reasonable Democrat that gets things done and knows how to go toe-to-toe with the evil Republicans, the strong.
Every indication is that he is setting himself up to run.
And Biden is going to bow out.
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Let's bring on the wonderful Julie Kelly.
Julie, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
How are you?
Good.
How are you, Andrew?
Thanks for having me on.
I'm doing great.
Thank you, Julie.
I was texting you yesterday, and I just want to, we've got a lot to cover in our short time together, but I just, I got to start with this guy because I saw you tweeting about him and then Charlie tweeted about him.
I cannot stand him.
Okay.
This is the Capitol Police sheet.
Like, what's his name?
It's Michael Fanone or is it Fanoni?
How do we pronounce it, Julie?
How about Fafoni?
Fafoni.
Fafoni.
I love it.
I love it.
Okay.
So this guy, he, so he apparently gives this guy, Ryan J., what is it?
Ryan J. Riley, the permission to post this picture of him flipping off the camera saying he's not going to be able to make Trump's arraignment, but he sends his regards.
Julie, I have speculation about this guy because I Googled him right after I saw this image.
It is the most scrubbed Google search I've ever been on.
There is literally page after page after page of just the most sob stories because what happened to him on January 6th.
And the guy's just a dirtbag.
What do you know about this phony Fanoni guy?
So Michael Fafoni, we'll call him, was a DC Metro police officer.
There's four, I call them January 6th celebrity cops because they were instantly profiled in the media, made all kinds of claims about their injuries, made all kinds of claims about what happened inside the building.
And Michael Fanon was one of them.
So he claimed that he almost died that day and he was tased, allegedly tased by someone who's now been convicted of that, that he suffered a heart attack and a concussion, severe brain injuries, et cetera, et cetera.
But so what I posted today is his, so when he first took the public scene, he oddly had this southern accent, even though he's a rich kid from Washington, D.C., who went to Georgetown PrEP before he got kicked out.
And his father is a big-time attorney with a law firm connected to the Democratic Party.
So no one could really figure out where this Southern accent came from.
But he would give interviews and he gave testimony for the January 6th Select Committee, and you could hear this heavy draw.
Well, now all of a sudden, he's a CNN contributor, by the way.
He left the police force.
He's a CNN contributor.
He wrote a book.
Now, all of a sudden, his accent is gone.
So I have that up on my Twitter page today if anyone wants to check it out.
But he is a phony.
So are the other officers.
So three out of four of these celebrity cops, I call them, showed up at the courthouse yesterday, I guess, in solidarity against Donald Trump.
Another officer, and I posted this a few weeks ago, Equilina Gunnell, who is a Capitol police officer, also claimed he almost died that day and sustained severe injuries at the hands of Trump supporters.
But we just caught him on surveillance video for seven minutes after the alleged attack on him, walking around fine, moving around, no shoulder injury.
Like he said, he has no foot injury that was smashed, he said, by a speaker, no head injuries, face, anything, totally not even any indication of any pain.
So these are what I called crisis actors to make it look like Trump supporters tried to kill police officers on January 6th.
And Michael Smithfoni is probably the worst out of all of them.
He's disgusting, Julie.
And the reason I have such a, yeah, the reason I have such a bone to pick with these guys is because, you know, Charlie said it on his Twitter, and I thought it was well stated.
You know the moral quality of your opponent, or in this case, the Democrats, by the heroes that they lift up.
And they are presenting this tattooed, like gross, fake accent, rich daddy, lawyer, Democrat insider who went to Georgetown PREP as this like working man who you know survived the mob, and and it's they.
They parade these people out there like they're somehow you know a saint and they're they've got the most sympathetic.
I'm telling you, there is something so astroturf about this guy that my spidey senses are going crazy and I find him just disgusting on his face and to see that that he now is a CNN analyst.
He's getting paid for and you know, I don't want to speculate whether or not he had a heart attack, but it all feels very convenient Julie, and I don't want to put you on the hot seat or whatever, but I mean this, all this whole thing feels so convenient and I've, like I said, I've never ever, seen a Google page so pristine.
I mean I couldn't find a negative article about this guy, even though I know that they've been written by folks like you and others that have covered the J6 uh hearings, the J6 committee and all of the aftermath.
They're out there.
You can't find them now.
I know Google suppresses everything that's conservative.
I get it.
It's worse than that.
There is somebody with a lot of means and a lot of resources scrubbing this guy's account and then here he is, like flipping off the camera like some schmo.
I just find it disgusting.
But it listen, it's.
It is connected to what.
The larger topic that I wanted to discuss with you Julie, is that we are hearing in general, and that's why I wanted to bring you on that this newest indictment brought by Jack Smith Trump was arraigned yesterday, is a copy paste from the J6 committee.
Can you shed some light on that?
Is this really just?
Is Jack Smith lifting this directly from the committee hearings?
I mean, that's what it looks like.
I mean, I posted a few passages comparing the indictment to passages in the January 6th select committee and they're And they're almost identical.
Now, we know the DOJ and then Jack Smith has undertaken this January 6th investigation.
They have a grand jury.
They called everyone in front of this grand jury from Mike Pence down to campaign officials.
So they obviously have testimony, but a lot of the quotes that are in there are also in the January 6th Select Committee.
Their final report that was issued in December.
So it's going to be interesting how he, what discovery they provide to, meaning evidence to back up their claims.
Why don't they just hand him the January 6th Select Committee report?
Outside of some notes that were taken from Mike Pence, there really isn't a lot of new information in there.
So, but look, as I've said too, this is not going to be the only indictment against Donald Trump for January 6th.
I'm expecting at least a few superseding indictments.
Right, okay.
Yes, that was literally my next question because a lot has been made, Julie, about the fact that there was not seditious conspiracy in this indictment.
Now, we saw maybe this is a precursor of things to come.
We saw with the Miami portion of this, the documents portion, that there was a superseding indictment.
Is that your prediction that seditious conspiracy is the next shoe to drop from Jack Smith, but it will be in the DC venue?
Yes, I'm not sure that that will be the next indictment.
My guess is the next superseding indictment will add maybe a few more conspiracy charges and add co-defendants, more importantly.
So the superseding indictment generally adds co-defendants, adds charges.
And I believe that they will probably bundle in a few of the co-conspirators.
There were six of them unnamed in the indictment, but there were six.
So I'm anticipating at least a few they'll tag into this indictment.
But the seditious conspiracy superseding indictment could come months from now.
But we see how Jack Smith is wielding his power to help protect the Bidens and protect Democrats.
Every time there's a major bombshell out of Congress about Joe Biden's years of lies about his relationship with Hunter Biden and his overseas business partners, Jack Smith swoops in with an indictment, a superseding indictment, a target letter, another indictment.
So I think this is the hammer, how he's going to use this as a political hammer to cover up emerging evidence of the Biden family crime racket and keep the focus and the heat on what's happening in these two cases with Donald Trump.
Yeah, and Julie, we have this graphic, if the team can pull it up.
To your point, I mean, we saw June 7th, FBI releases documents to Congress alleging the Bidens took $10 million bribe, right?
Then we have June 8th, Jack Smith indicts Trump in Mar-a-Lago Doc's case.
July 26th, July 27th, July 31st, August 1st, this pattern repeats itself.
July 26th, Hunter Biden goes to court and rejects Sweetheart plea deal.
July 27th, Jack Smith adds on more charges to Trump.
That was the superseding indictment.
July 31st, Hunter Biden's former business partner, Devin Archer, drops the bombshell that Biden was on over 20 calls.
And then on August 1st, Jack Smith indicts Trump again.
And I think Alina Haba had a great moment.
She was trending everywhere on it.
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I want to hit this guy one more time because I just, I absolutely detest the man, Michael Phoney.
Now, this is a bit of a provocative question, all right?
Do you think these people now, I understand we're verging into conspiracy theory territory, but do you think that there's any possibility that these was planned out?
Or do you think they're just like attention whores, these celebrity police officers?
I mean, were they, do you think they were given an assignment?
I mean, we know that Trump authorized 10,000 National Guard.
It was denied.
We know that there were federal agents in the crowd that day.
How far out there in this realm of speculation are you willing to go?
Well, look, the Michael Fanon case is very odd to me and always has been.
He was a vice officer, a tactical officer.
He's on the streets, you know, sort of undercover and picking up, you know, drug dealers.
Then all of a sudden, on January 6th, he claims was the first time he had put on a uniform, I think, in 15 plus years.
They're just so happy.
Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
Wait.
Wait, hold on.
So he had been undercover at the Capitol previously, and then all of a sudden on January 6th, he puts on a uniform.
Not at the Capitol.
He's a D.C. Metro police officer.
So he's on their tax unit.
He's not a Capitol police officer.
He's DC Metro.
And you see him all padded up.
I mean, the guy's disgusting.
But he has said that that was the first time he had put on a police uniform.
I think he said in his entire career.
So they just happen to have a uniform waiting for Michael Fanon with the body cam camera on it, which, by the way, we haven't seen all the body cam.
We see some of it.
And then, of course, we see some of it afterwards, which he claimed he suffered all these injuries and he's joking around with his colleagues about how he might get suspended again.
Now, Julie, we were just diving into the fact that Michael Phoney Bologna here, Fanon, said it was the first time that he put on a police uniform, potentially in his whole career.
Is that what you're saying?
On January 6th, 2021?
Yes, I believe that that's, I know that that's true.
I don't know if it was in his entire career or it had been years since he wore any kind of uniform.
But he claimed he heard on the radio that there were officers in distress.
So he went back to the police station.
Somehow, there's a uniform waiting for him.
Of course, we saw him in his January in the January 6th Select Committee testimony.
He had his uniform on with all kinds of little badges.
Like he's this decorated police officer.
And so that's just another oddity about the Michael Fanon.
Aside from the fact his father is this well-connected lawyer in Washington, D.C., tied to the Democratic Party, you see Nancy Pelosi constantly hugging him and kissing him.
He shows up at some event with Hunter Biden.
Like, this is not normal.
If you're a police officer, a legitimate police officer who is involved in, you know, a protest, if you want to call it a riot, whatever, they don't go around giving interviews like this and hobnobbing, you know, with the president's son and hugging and having Nancy Pelosi just claw all over you.
Like, that's not normal.
And not only is his behavior not normal, neither is the behavior of the other three officers who have been pulled out as these celebrity cops with book deals and they're constantly on social media and they're constantly on CNN and MSNBC.
Not normal.
So this is all part of creating the phony narrative about January 6th.
Yeah, he feels like an asset.
He feels like a polished turd that has been parroted around and paraded around MSM, you know, regime media to sort of do this.
I mean, he has been made for such a time as this is what it feels like in a very negative way.
Now, Julie, I want to just quickly transition here because a lot of, I'm going to, let's put up Trump's recent true social 160.
It says, every one of these fake charges filed against me by the corrupt Biden DOJ could have been filed two and a half years ago, but they waited and waited until I became dominant in the polls and then they filed them all, including local, including locals, right in the middle of the campaign.
They want anybody but Trump, not fair and perhaps not legal, election interference.
Now, Julie, the larger question is this, and Trump's really getting at this.
There's a lot of speculation about this trial timeline.
You know, how much potential is there for Trump to basically dictate when the trial happens, either by rushing the trial date forward.
In this case, even Jonathan Turley was saying, hey, give Jack Smith what he wants, a fair speedy trial here on this DC one that he just dropped because SCOTUS is going to overturn it.
And that might be a poll boost for Trump, perhaps.
You know, what do you think is the best strategy given these competing indictments in different venues?
Well, I think the neither, I don't think either case goes to trial before the election.
Trump Trial Timeline Speculation 00:02:47
I don't care what Jack Smith says.
They don't want it to go to trial because for a couple of reasons, especially in the January 6th case.
Number one, there's a very slim chance that there could be an acquittal on any of those charges.
That would be humiliation for Jack Smith.
Number two, the obstruction of an official proceeding felony is headed towards the Supreme Court.
It had a weird appellate ruling, and you have two defense attorneys who have already filed cert at the Supreme Court seeking to have this 1512 C2 post-Enron law, never been used this way before, having a hearing on the validity of using that against political protesters.
So at the same time, even if he got a conviction, the Supreme Court could overturn the use of that obstruction felony, and that would go away for Trump too.
So there's a lot of legal and political danger for Jack Smith if he really puts either one of these on trial before the election.
I don't think that he wants to.
I think the classified documents case is actually far weaker than the January 6th, because, of course, that's also going to go to a D.C. jury, not a southern Florida.
Wait, no, no.
Let me just repeat what you just said.
You said the exact opposite of what everybody on the talking head media is saying, that you think the documents case is weaker than the one that Jack Smith just dropped.
Absolutely.
Absolutely weaker.
This is why they want to keep all of it under protective or strict protective orders.
They want to even keep the documents away from Donald Trump himself because this is a made-up case that they can't prove.
And I think it's far weaker than this January 6th case.
Wow.
That's Julie.
You've been right about just about everything on this stuff.
So that's why we love having you on.
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