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July 27, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The War Against the Shadow Government with John McEntee
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Johnny McIntyre and the Administration 00:13:49
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Yeah, you need contrast.
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He's professionally good looking.
He was Trump's right-hand man, runs a dating site, and is at war with the shadow government.
It's Johnny McIntyre.
Thanks for having me.
And a very talented quarterback.
I don't know about that part.
Trick Shots.
That's how I first came aware of you.
Trick Shot.
Right.
Winter Blizzard, Stores, Connecticut.
In college, we had a lot of free time on a snowy day in February, and we decided to make a trick shot video that went viral.
That was like the original trick shot for all these other guys.
Yeah, I think that was pre-dude perfect.
I think it was like.
Well, you had some pretty impressive ones on there.
Yeah.
It was fun.
How many takes did it take to do that?
It took us all day, but we did it.
Like in 12 hours.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that last shot across the arena was at like one in the morning.
Really?
I think it was like a full day shooting.
The most successful the UConn football program has ever been.
That's our claim to fame.
Is Johnny McIntyre?
Johnny McIntyre.
It's like 17, 18 million views, right?
It's big, yeah.
I think it was like 8 million or so.
So Johnny's amazing.
Johnny was one of the good guys in the Trump administration.
You guys can Google him.
You'll see all these attacks on the left.
It's hilarious.
But Johnny, is it fair to say you were Trump's right-hand guy, his shadow?
It's fair to say.
Yeah, I was with him a lot.
I was his aide, and I traveled with him full-time the first year of the administration and the last year of the administration and in 2016.
And you ran all personnel.
And then the last year of the administration, I also ran the personnel office.
Yep.
So Johnny had a great reputation of all the good people.
The bad people didn't like you very much.
The bad people did not like me very much.
That's true.
Yeah, we were trying to, you know, the first years of the Trump years, you rely on the establishment.
You rely on, you know, you don't know.
People are just telling you, oh, this person's good.
That person's good.
You got to take them at their word.
As the years progress, you start to learn who's actually getting the job done and who's not.
So, yeah, there's so much I want to talk to you about.
And so we had James Bacon on yesterday about this.
So you come into government.
Did you have an assumption that you could, the president would say something and that thing would actually get done?
Right.
Going in, I was incredibly naive.
I thought the president would sit at the desk in the Oval Office.
The resolute desk.
At the resolute desk.
I thought he would say, okay, today I would like to withdraw from NATO.
And then I thought everyone would just be worker bees and go withdraw from NATO.
Not how it works, unfortunately.
There's a large bureaucracy that runs the government.
The president is the head of it.
Technically, he's in charge of the executive branch.
But because the bureaucracy has gotten so big, things don't move quite like that.
Okay, so let's go through some examples.
Give one example that stands out where the president wanted to do something, you wanted to do something, but that thing did not get done or was slow walked or it just got changed.
Well, you could talk about one that repeatedly happened, which actually Biden ended up doing, although as Bill Maher said, he didn't quite stick the landing, which was withdrawing from Afghanistan.
The president wanted to do that.
He said it over and over again.
He tweeted about it every few months.
He gave straight directives and somehow it never happened.
Wait, so if you gave straight directives to exit Afghanistan, then what would happen?
You know, the National Security Council comes in, whoever from the Pentagon comes in, they all talk it out.
They say, no, we're going to come up with a strategy.
We can't just, you know, and in hindsight, looking at the Biden withdrawal, that was a fiasco.
Of course, Trump would have done it a lot differently, but it was still the right move.
And yeah, you just see things like that.
And over the years, it's like, is anything ever going to get done?
Obviously, he still was able to accomplish a lot.
But in a second term, knowing what we know now, I think he'd be able to accomplish three times, four times, five times as much.
Without a doubt.
And so, yeah, there is this perception, president's in charge, you know, orders are followed.
And I just want to make sure everyone understands.
When I mean that he was his right-hand guy, it was like Trump and Johnny, Trump and Johnny.
I think you're in more background shots of anybody in the history of the Trump presidency, right?
I think my family enjoyed that.
They'd look for me on TV, try to look like a lot of people.
I was like, where's Waldo?
I would be watching the live feed on Fox.
I'd say, hey, there's Johnny.
There's Johnny.
And I want to get into just kind of some of the more fun details about Trump and how he is and all that, but let's just kind of focus on this here.
So at what point did you realize, oh my gosh, personnel is policy, where there's this mass leviathan and Trump is like a temporary occupant who's actually been held hostage by people that hate him?
I think within the first few months in the White House in 2017, it was pretty obvious.
Before that, I don't think any conservative knew what the personnel office was.
I think now it's becoming a mainstream PPO and just how much authority and power it has and how you need to have someone good in charge of that.
I think the next administration should have on yesterday's get who you had on yesterday, should have him in charge of it.
James Bacon.
He's a total stud.
Somebody that's super conservative, super aligned, but competent.
A lot of times the Trump people will be like, you need to hire this person and that person.
But they weren't exactly competent.
They were a little crazy.
You need people that are totally aligned, but can also get the job done.
So what do you mean by that?
Not just ideologically aligned, but also competent and not purchased by foreign governments.
Right.
And also, there's also this myth about people that can talk a big game and say all the right things, which does serve a purpose.
Maybe that's a conservative pundit.
I think that's fair to like say Scaramucci was probably.
Sure, I like Scaramucci personally, but yeah, somebody.
11 days of chaos.
Right.
But, you know, there's people that are good messengers, but they're not good executors.
And I think finding the people that can actually get the work done more than go on Fox and say the good talking point is probably most helpful.
So zero again on the Afghanistan thing.
Is it true that Trump would give the order and then there would be a pre-planned meeting of like Tillerson, Pence, and they were waiting for Trump in a room and they had wargamed the conversation.
Is that true?
I think some of the staff, you know, the agency heads would meet separately and kind of talk through.
It was obvious that they were doing that.
I don't know who exactly, but that was definitely happening.
They're thinking through scenarios of, okay, if he says this, well, why can't we just do that?
Here's our response.
So I hope everyone understands that this is the duly elected president of the United States who's in charge of the executive branch.
Right.
And you have cabinet officials that rehearse kind of like dialectics of how to get the president to agree with what they want.
Sure.
And that wasn't the case with all of them.
Some were good.
But I think next time it's really important to get that right early.
And during that transition period, you have a short amount of time.
Picking those people that are totally aligned and competent to run these agencies is going to save you a lot of trouble on the back end.
And so there were some really good people in the White House.
And I mean, Lighthizer did his best, right?
Navarro did his best.
And there was kind of this constant theme of like, let's just talk about one issue that Trump's going to have to overcome, which is leaking.
I mean, that was so widespread, leaking of phone calls.
I mean, what's behind that?
We don't get many leaks out of the Biden White House at all.
Yeah, I think that has a lot to do with the media as well and a lot to do with the inaction.
You know, the Biden White House, there's probably not a whole lot going on as there was in the Trump White House because the machine, the bureaucracy is left-wing.
It's already moving.
They don't really have to do a lot to get their agenda through or at least to keep it on pace.
Ours, you have people infighting, which is natural.
You know, you have different ideas even within the conservative world on certain things.
And then you have the media that wants to play it up.
You know, so if somebody in the Biden White House wanted to leak on someone, you know, they're not going to pick it up.
They're not going to make it into a big thing.
Whereas in the Trump White House, of course they would.
They'd run with it for days and try to create this scenario where there's just chaos and no one knows what they're doing.
And sometimes it was successful to portray that, although it might not have been the case.
In the rank and file of people that were appointed, not the permanent White House bureaucracy, we'll get to that, the 1,000 people.
Let's just say the people that were appointed, right?
In PPO or in OPL, right?
Or OPM.
Yeah, Office of Personnel, right?
Management.
Well, they just, yeah, that's just one agency.
But just out of the 4,000 people.
Yeah, well, like, let's just say the people that came and left, meaning they are no longer there under Biden.
Not the people that, you know, the political appointees under landscapers all right.
Right.
Right.
But those are important.
Those people have power more than people realize.
How many actually ideologically agree to Donald Trump on his worldview?
Actually, more than you would think.
That wasn't the problem.
The problem was that they're MPCs.
They're not non-player characters.
They're non-player characters.
They're just kind of going through the motions.
They might be totally aligned.
They might say the right thing.
They might actually believe the right thing.
However, when they go in to do the job, the bureaucracy takes over and they can't get anything done.
There were a lot of bad actors.
Those have been well documented.
Out of the 4,000 people, 3,900 were ideologically aligned, but most were just going through the motions.
I want to talk about how do we fix this?
And then also some other stories from John McEntee's time in the White House.
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So I'm going to talk about how we fix it, but I think it'd be interesting.
I mean, how many, you were, you were everything from like the attaché to the liaison to the body man of Trump, right?
White House Event Flags 00:04:12
Correct.
Just let's talk about him as a person.
You probably had more time with him in close proximity than almost anybody else while he was president.
Is that fair to say?
I think that's fair to say.
And he was an amazing boss.
He's what you'd expect.
He's very fun.
He's very funny, but he's also gracious.
And you see how he treats the staff, you know, the higher up people, you know, he's giving them orders.
You know, they might go at it, whatever.
But like the way he treats the junior staff or the people working at the White House actually is amazing.
They would all tell you that.
I'm sure they all want him back.
I'm sure the guy who does the landscaping or the, you know, the chef of the White House, I'm sure they all want him back because he's such a good person to work for.
But talk about like the average day, the pace.
I mean, being around, when I'm around him, I'm like, I can only take like five or six hours before I'm like, I need a break.
I mean, he's so intense.
It's like high octane.
I mean, what would days for you look like, let alone his schedule?
You know, every night, me and his executive assistant would be hoping that he would call it a day just so we could go home and we'd be able to get away from it.
What time would this be?
This would be late.
This would be well into the night, eight o'clock, nine o'clock at night.
If there wasn't an event or rally he's going to.
So he starts early.
He's an early riser.
At what time?
Works from, at least when we were in the White House, works from his residence, 6 a.m., 7 a.m., making calls.
So a lot of times people be like, you know, I'm at the gym.
Like they're trying to talk to the president because he's saying, here's what I want to do today.
So he's starting early.
He would get to the office at a normal hour, 9, 10, be there all day, and then usually travel to an event that night.
So it was a lot.
And I don't know how he does it.
I also saw that on the campaign trail and like Bannon, those guys could tell you, we'd all need a nap.
We'd go like find a little room to sleep in.
And he'd be up, you know, reading or writing or checking his speech or, you know, watching the news, learning.
You know, just he never stops.
Just talk about the pace, though.
I mean, what does working look like for him?
It's, it's, if there's a problem, he wants to address it.
From what I've seen, get him on the phone.
It's like high intensity.
Bring them in, right?
Yeah, it never stops.
I mean, actually, who you mentioned, Lighthizer.
It was really funny.
We were on Air Force One, and you know, they came back to get Lighthizer.
The president wants to speak to you.
By the time Lighthizer got to the front of the cabin, he had already made another call.
And he looked at me.
He said, Can you believe this guy?
He said, Go get Lighthizer.
And then he didn't even want to wait.
He wanted to get on his next call.
You know, so he's just like, it's just going a mile a minute.
And, you know, he had a pretty intense schedule when he was in the Oval Office, just, you know, lunch at this time, three o'clock, this.
The Boy Scouts are coming at four.
But then on what would be considered a day off, it would still be work, but he'd be doing that from his phone, from his residence, from wherever he was.
Yeah.
And from people that have been around him, they contrast that with other executives.
Talk about, though, I mean, because there's a lot of attacks on him, unfortunately, from the right.
What does Donald Trump believe politically?
It's the same in private as it is public.
It is.
Yeah.
His instincts are phenomenal.
He's very conservative.
And I would say he's traditionally and culturally American.
He actually does want, you know, America first policies to be enacted.
Whether or not that was always the case as it happened, I don't know.
But yeah, I just, I think he's just culturally and traditionally American.
You see, like when we have a big event at the White House, he wants like the flags.
He wants the, you know, he wants the military.
He likes the pageantry.
He loves the history.
There were times when we would walk up, you know, at night from the Oval Office back to the residence and we're just staring out at the south lawn of the White House.
And he'd be like, can you believe this?
You know, he really appreciated it.
And that was cool to see.
There was a fair amount of awe and wonder.
Yeah.
Right.
So what's your favorite Trump story that you're allowed to tell?
That I'm allowed to tell.
I don't like talking about, yeah, personally, but the night of the election in 2016, we went to six or seven states that day, did rallies.
It's three in the morning.
Michigan.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We end, I think, with Michigan.
It was the last Grand Rapids, Michigan was the last round.
And, you know, I'm taking his boxes of, you know, his newspapers and his, you know, speeches and everything.
I'm taking all of his stuff up to his room.
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It's three in the morning.
He looks at me and says, so what do you think?
And I'm like, I think you got it.
And then he gets his newspaper and he like slaps me on the arm.
He says, I think I do.
And I thought, wow, that was pretty cool.
And then the next day, he, you know, shocked the world.
Yeah.
In some ways, the shock and awe was not helpful because then bad people staffed the government very quickly.
Right.
There was no transition team.
There was no, we went on this thing called the thank you tour.
That was a huge mistake.
Is that right?
That was a catastrophic mistake.
Because we were, you know, we had done it for so long.
We were used to every day.
We wake up, we go to a rally, we do this, we go to the photo line.
So after he won, it was like, now what?
And everyone's like, well, just continue what you were doing, but now it's thank you.
And, you know, when really we should have spent that few months just completely honing in, figuring out how government works.
Building a government.
Building a government.
There were people that were doing that, but yeah, I think the thank you tour took a little bit away from it.
But then also just like, hey, maybe we shouldn't lead with a travel ban if we don't have people at DHS, right?
And in my opinion, the biggest thing to learn from, the first ask of Congress should have been the wall, not healthcare.
It should have been use the mandate and the momentum for the wall.
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Okay, so Johnny, I want to ask everything we've been talking about differently and different perspective.
Give us an example of a time the president wanted to do something and actually got done rather seamlessly or effectively.
Sure, that happened occasionally, the Paris Climate Accord.
So why was that not fought?
What can we learn from that maybe in a second term?
That was early on.
I think early on he had a lot of success just because the momentum, even though maybe, like you were saying, with Congress, we should have done that or this with the executive stuff.
I think early on, maybe the travel van, but he had some success.
Another would be one you mentioned with James was like moving the embassy, you know, things that people were fighting him on, but that ultimately they caved.
I don't know why.
Like with the Paris thing, maybe it wasn't a big enough deal or a big enough threat to the machine that was non-biodicated.
It was a big deal.
You know, it was a thing he campaigned on and said he was going to do, and he did it.
But I'm not sure why that specifically would go through and something else wouldn't.
Yeah, I'm just trying to think of, so let's say Trump wins again, which is a big if at this time.
He's got a lot of force to overcome.
Michael Anton is like a black pill dispensary, right?
He's amazing, but he's like, ah, the forces against him are too powerful.
Could be true.
And by the way, I do not see the RNC or the Republican Party doing anything even close to getting us close to victory.
I see us stumbling towards a bad outcome.
We hopefully can fix it.
That's what Turning Point Action is doing, Chase the Vote, and all that good stuff.
Let's table that.
Let's say we win back the White House.
Amazing.
What's going to be different, Johnny?
You're part of some project of Heritage.
I think I'm on the board of that thing as an advisor.
What's going to be different?
Well, I think what we saw in the last year, in terms of the personnel, is that change can be done.
You don't need to be totally blackpilled, although I do like Anton.
And it doesn't take that many people.
You know, we talk about 4,000 political appointees and training the troops, and that's all great.
And you need to have a good bench.
But if you had 50 to 100 killers that we can find, or we have.
We have them here.
Right, yeah, we have it at Turning Players.
You know how many times I tried to get Turning Point killers hired, and it was always said no in the Trump White House.
Not always.
A couple people got hired.
People like that, maybe people a little older that are more senior that could run an agency too.
But it only takes, you know, a good agency head that's strong-willed and that's not going to back down when media pressure comes.
And then people that are aligned with what the president wants to do.
And then this will happen very quickly.
So I'm white-pilled on the whole thing if we were to pull off a victory.
Yeah, so if we were to pull off a victory, how would the transition look differently?
I mean, it would be a lot of no's to a lot of lobbyists that feel entitled to these positions, right?
Yeah, it would be that.
And also, you know, last time in 2016, they had this like make AmericaGreatAgain.gov, submit your resume.
Those resumes were lost forever and it was like 70,000 of them.
Now, we're doing it.
Wait, what do you mean, lost forever?
No one actually ever read that.
I don't know where they are.
I've never seen them, heard of them, never heard them used to get a real position.
That's so sad, Johnny.
These are like really cool people that are MAGA professors and entrepreneurs that like spent their time filling out stuff and like no one ever read their documents.
No, I don't think one person was hired off of that website.
However, now, as you mentioned, with Project 2025 at Heritage and whatever the official transition will be for the Republican nominee, which looks like it will be Trump, they're doing the work now.
So we're getting the resumes now.
We're going to get the people trained now.
And that's going to help us, you know, just flood DC in January of 2025 with good people.
With a beach head.
With a beach head, yeah.
Instead of relying on a lot of the establishment people that aren't aligned, even though they might be good people, we're going to have a short timeframe to really just hit the ground running and we need to start doing the work now.
And that's what we're going to do.
Yeah, and so it goes both ways, though, right?
Because there was somebody in the White House that I won't say, we'll talk about it privately.
You probably know who I'm talking about, that largely agreed with Trump, but had some differences of opinion.
But it wasn't as much an ideological thing.
It was what you mentioned earlier, a competency thing.
Because sometimes somebody would be all on board with Trump on the agenda, but they would just be like showing up to work late and not present well and be sloppy and slovenly and drunk and say things to girls.
Like it's just not.
Do you know what I mean?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
You don't just need the kind of lethal combo of being a professional, but also being MAGA.
And no one's better than that than the globalists in DC.
Well, that's such a smart point.
So McKinsey-Goldman, they train well-trained, proper, well-dressed, groomed.
Exactly.
They make you feel like they're your best friend.
You know, it's like, of course I want to work with this person.
That's such an interesting.
Yeah.
So they kill it at that game.
Our people can take a page out of that book.
Hopefully the coaching they're going to do at Heritage and also just, you know, James or whoever's going to train these people before they enter the administration.
They can give them some pointers, how to act, how to get things done.
And also, yeah, just treat people with respect.
You don't have to be hostile.
At the end of the day, you have to realize you're in charge.
You're working on behalf of the president.
They have to do what you say.
So there's no reason to be, you know, crazy or, you know, hostile towards them.
Yeah.
So it's interesting.
What McKinsey is best at is having like well-tailored, presentable, late-20-somethings with every possible criteria and degree, but they also hate the country.
Right.
Yeah.
So they look good in meetings.
Right.
And they'll fill out the book reports, but in reality, they're like ideologically against the agenda.
Right.
Yeah.
So that's.
Like Miles Taylor, for example.
Right.
Probably looks good on a resume, puts it together, shows up on time for the meeting, says the right things.
Yes, sir.
His worldview is not aligned with an America first worldview.
So getting our people that are aligned and then getting them presentable and competent and ready to work, it's going to be a lot of work, but luckily we have a head start this time and we have good networks of people.
And we also have people that were junior that we saw actually doing work that can now take on more senior roles because it's five years later.
So that'll be inspiring.
So talk about some of the other lessons that you have from the time in the Trump White House that you think things we could have done better.
I mean, talk especially about COVID.
COVID things just, just things just started to go off.
You spend time with Fauci?
No, I refuse to be near him.
But yeah, like with COVID, you know, people were empowered that shouldn't have been.
And then we tried to do a small course correction with what power we had in the personnel office.
We brought in Scott Atlas.
You know, he had a great, a great take on COVID, obviously, but he brought in people.
He tried to, you know, change the narrative a bit, give a different perspective on it.
Couldn't make any headway, unfortunately.
So it's getting people that are more aligned just from the get-go.
So you don't run into that situation like we had with COVID.
It's actually like painful to even think about that stuff, but it all goes back to just, yeah, who's in charge and if they're empowered by the president or not.
It's really remarkable.
And creating the personnel, because personnel is policy, right?
And having the people that are able to do the job.
Talk about where you were during the James Comey firing.
That was really significant.
That was on my birthday, actually, man.
Tell us about it.
I wasn't actually around for it because I left early, but what do you mean exactly?
Tell you about what you're doing.
Just the dynamics, because I actually think the firing of James Comey was the official poking of the deep state bear.
That's when we got Mueller.
We got just this ridiculously hostile administrative state posture, recusal of Jeff Sessions not long before that.
Peter Struckstroke smirk going into the White House and entrapping Lieutenant General Michael Flynn.
Right.
Yeah, you could say that was the start of it because that was about five months into the first term of Trump.
And that's a good point.
I never thought of it that way.
But that did lead to a lot of things and a lot of problems.
I don't have a great take on it per se.
Was there a fear or at least a conscious understanding at some point that the intelligence agencies were working against you?
I think that was known.
Yeah.
I think, you know, they all came to Trump Tower during that transition period.
And looking back on it, that actually might be the first point.
So tell us about that.
You know, so you have this transition period.
You have the president-elect.
And then basically they're all going to come tell you, here's how government works.
You know, they come in in the suits.
The mill-aid's there.
Here's how the, you know, nukes work.
Here's how the briefings work.
Here's, you know, all our capabilities.
And when you look at who was in that meeting initially, it's all of those bad actors.
The names don't all come to mind.
But it's all those people that weren't aligned with Trump at all coming to tell him, here's how all of this works.
I think at first he probably bought into some of that, but then as the story develops, we realize they're not working in his interest or America's interest.
Well, and President Trump's instincts were right.
He's tweeted out that the FBI is spying on me and all this.
Senator Chuck Ushumer goes on Rachel Maddow's show and says the intel agencies have six ways of Sunday to get back at you.
This is before he was president.
Right?
Well, this also goes to the point of personnel is incredibly important.
We learned that.
That was a big takeaway.
But there has to be major reforms to the executive branch itself.
What do you mean?
You know, the way it's structured from the 30s or 40s, which James talks a lot about, he had on yesterday.
You know, this whole idea and concept was, you know, came up from liberals.
And it's, you know, it's left-wing in nature, and it only grows bigger.
And every time it grows, it takes freedom away from us.
And it's in constant motion.
So until we start tackling that as well, it's going to be difficult to get anything conservative done.
A lot of conservatives think, well, you can't, ah, you can't, you know, get rid of the Department of Education.
Ah, you know, but like, that's probably what it will take.
And, you know, you might have to just say, you know, we're clearing out the State Department and we're just starting from scratch.
And that's going to be painful.
You know, people are going to, you know, go up in arms.
But at the end of the day, it might be in the best interest of our foreign policy to do that or our country at all.
Yeah.
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But I think this is so important because, you know, President Trump, if he wins the nomination, he's going to need to give people some assurances that we're not going to have more Deborah Burks or Anthony Fauci in the White House.
Right.
We're not going to put up with that.
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Okay, so the app is called the right stuff, date right stuff.
And Johnny in the break was like, it's mostly girls.
Where are the men?
Why are men not downloading your app as much?
I think they don't believe it or they don't know about it.
Or they think they're all being catfished or something.
Something.
All of our marketing has been geared towards women.
We're sort of doing the club model, you know, the like, get the girls on, the guys will follow.
That's bumble, right?
Bumble is literally the feminist, like girls go first.
We're not that.
I just mean our marketing, like we try to attract girls onto it because we want to get them on first and then we think the guys will follow.
So guys, now it's time to follow.
It's called Date Right Stuff.
It's called The Right Stuff.
Hey, Blake, you need to get on it.
We're at Date Right Stuff.
Come on, Blake.
We're at Date Right Stuff on social media.
But you say that, you know, there's attractive women on this app.
There are.
And if you don't believe me, I'm going out with a new one every day, a part of a 50-first date series, and I'm meeting them all on the app.
I don't know them.
It's funny.
He's a very eligible bachelor, by the way.
We'll be taking applications for Johnny McIntees.
Please send him our way.
And also for Blake.
We've been trying with...
Maybe we'll do a double blind date or something.
You got to set Blake up on date right stuff.
Right.
Let's do it.
That would be great.
What are you learning about the dating scene?
What are you learning about what has been shocking to you?
Because, I mean, you got to.
Oh, my gosh.
There's a lot.
Well, tell us.
The biggest problem with dating today is that not enough people are doing it.
That would be number one.
And then I realize there's faults on both sides.
And it's interesting to see the trends.
On the female side, women are way too focused on their careers and their dogs.
And on the men's side, they're not putting in nearly enough effort it takes to attract a good woman.
What do you mean, effort?
You mean they're just overweight?
They're sloppy.
They're sloppy.
They're lazy.
They don't show up on time.
They don't pay for the meal.
Their profile is a lot of fun.
They don't pay for the meal.
That's amazing.
Conservative men probably are a little better with that.
But I think we kind of forgot how to court someone, which I'm trying to show.
If you want to follow us on Instagram, Date Right stuff.
So the guys need to step up their game.
And then the girls, they need to be, they need to, you know, after 25, your number one priority should be finding a husband.
You know, I see a lot of girls who in their 30s and they're like, well, you know, I can't do that Thursday night.
Can't do that Thursday night.
It's like, you should be doing that every night, you know, or like, oh, well, a little fluffy's at home.
And fluffy, you know, like, get your kids their dog.
You know, you don't need to be obsessed with your dog.
So why do you think that is?
Because they think they can like freeze their eggs or something or that they've been.
I don't think they realize.
I think even conservative women have been, have bought into the career first lie.
Just the, yeah, the culture that we're in, you know, like do what guys do.
Get a career.
And, you know, it's okay to wait.
And well, it's not okay to wait that long, you know?
No, there's, there's a, I mean, we get emails, hundreds of very regretful, late 30-something women with cats.
Yeah.
And they've been lied to.
And a lot of times it's not even their fault.
They're just kind of just going through the motions.
It's life, you know.
But it's always somebody else's fault.
What I notice in emails is it's not their own fault that there are no good guys or somebody said something mean.
And they're not wrong.
I think guys have to step up their game too.
I think there's fault on both sides.
I think it's really interesting to watch.
This is the question.
You have these like simultaneous complaints that you have hookup culture going galore and yet people are super prude and don't want to date.
So, which one is it?
Or is it both?
Well, no, I don't think, I don't think people are hooking up that much.
I mean, if you look at like the data on that, like compared to what do you see?
What do you see in your app?
What information is that?
I mean, meaning, like, do you find longer-lasting relationships or more hookup type?
No, for sure.
It's a platform for conservatives.
So, more people are dating with more intention there for sure.
And that is the goal.
I think dating apps are a good tool to use.
And I'm not just saying that because I started one.
Because you have things like social media where people have access to millions of people and they're just constantly sending messages and then go on to the next girl or the next guy.
And there's no intention there.
At least here, you know, people are using a little intention.
Tinder is like a hookup, kind of spammy sort of thing in a way.
Hinge is probably the only comparable thing to what we're trying to do, which is still kind of losing its way and very left-wing.
This is definitely not Grinder.
So, but yeah, let me just kind of closing.
Biggest lesson you learned from this is like, what is the biggest concern you have then for young people?
Like societal civilizational takeaway and concern?
Is that people are waiting too long to get married?
And that social media and other things are giving guys access to way too many girls and they need to be pairing up at a younger age rather than like I'm doing still in my 30s.
Who am I to say it?
But I'm just married.
I'm in my 20s.
I have a kid.
Everyone should do it.
But you're seeing that troubling trend manifest itself.
Yeah.
Luckily, ours is all conservative, so it's not as bad.
And people are trying to link up.
But yeah, that's a bad trend.
Why do people get so angry when you say that you should probably get married by the, you know, if you're a woman in your 20s?
Why is that such a thought crime?
I don't know.
I think they have this thing where like we're independent and we can do it on our own and we don't need a man, but it's not really about that.
It's about like sharing your life with someone, building something together.
And I think most who do that don't regret it and they're happy they did.
John Mackenzie, everybody, founder of Date Right Stuff.
He's also single, or so he says.
So is Blake.
Got lots of single men.
So let's fix that problem.
John, E, thanks so much.
Thank you.
See you guys tomorrow.
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