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July 12, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Left's Terror at Physical Fitness and Warrior Men with John Lovell
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What is a warrior poet?
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Very important guest here.
Thrilled to have him on.
It's John Lovell, author of an important new book, The Warrior Poet Way, a Guide to Living Free and Dying Well, founder of the Warrior Poet Society.
John, welcome to the program.
Tell us about your book.
Thanks so much for having me on, Charlie.
Basically, I'm contending that men shouldn't be a lover or a fighter.
We should be both and.
You should be a lion and a lamb, a warrior and a poet.
And each category, each archetype has critical, essential pieces for the masculine heart that'll allow us to prevail in a society gone horribly wrong.
We need strength of warriors and we need some of the emotional wherewithal and the sensitivity, the wisdom, the passion of poets.
So walk us through some of the components of the book.
So when I think a warrior poet, I think of King David.
What other examples would you give of people that were both warriors and poets that embodied that kind of mixture of archetypes the best?
You already grabbed such a great one.
And the Bible is one of the greatest warriors in the Bible, happened to write almost all of the psalms, most of the Psalms.
And so he's also the greatest worshiper.
So you can absolutely make a B-line for King David.
I'd also say, hey, Jesus was a fantastic, the consummate warrior poet for sure.
But you can also look at the freedom fighters of old, of people that would be known of like William Wallace, for instance.
So I guess the objection that some people would have against, I don't know, like the resurgence of masculinity is they use this word toxic masculinity.
What would your response be to that criticism?
I think it's just ridiculous propaganda.
I mean, women, femininity can be absolutely toxic as well.
It's not masculinity or femininity that's toxic.
It's just people that are toxic.
Now, males should have attributes that are fantastic.
They're great.
Like my wife recognizes that I'm a romantic guy.
I'm a passionate guy.
I'm available for her.
My kids recognize I'm emotionally available for them.
So they don't fear me, but I'd like the Taliban to fear me because I also have attributes there that are important for being able to safeguard freedom in a world that is broken and dangerous.
So the left is attacking masculinity.
We talked about this MSNBC article yesterday, how the far right is embracing fitness culture or all that trash and garbage.
The quintessential American man is vanishing and disappearing.
So what practical steps do you talk about in the book or in your book, in your work at the Warrior Poet Society that can be done to revive and recover the American male?
So men in their heart of hearts, aside from all the leftist propaganda that's trying to get us to compete on a race to the bottom to see how weak we can go.
There's some men, there's a lot of men.
Most men aren't going to follow them down that.
And so we do give. really, really practical steps of how we can be strong.
Stuff rubber meets the road of like, hey, man, do some jiu-jitsu.
Be a good protector.
If you really love people and the world is dangerous, be a good protector.
That's a loving thing to do.
Work out.
Get some cardio in there.
But aside from just the obvious physical strength elements, I really, when I think about a man that's strong, it's not just a dude with lats growing out of his ears and just ripped with a huge deadlift.
It's also somebody that is emotionally strong and spiritually strong, meaning they have good character.
One of the things that I miss the most is moral courage, that we wouldn't self-censor, that we would bravely take to task evil that needs to be kept at bay and us to be able to stand up and say the hard things.
I don't care if I get canceled anymore.
I don't care.
I'm so sick of evil depravity.
So, yeah, I want to be emotionally strong.
I want to be intellectually strong.
Read a book for crying out loud.
Guys, put your screens down a moment.
Let's be full-bodied men, strong in a myriad of different areas.
So one of the elements of your book, and I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but I'm looking at kind of some of the summaries, is turning to ancient wisdom.
What in particular, what texts, what authors, what writers do you think can be most helpful for a young man who is looking to become a warrior poet?
Yeah, fantastic question.
Today, we have progressed so far without really determining which direction we're progressing in.
And a lot of the old ancient paths have stood for millennia.
And those ancient paths were filled with all the gritty, long-suffering, tough men of old that have built societies and safeguarded them.
And so really, it's almost any era of history.
You can find these great warrior poets.
And so I wouldn't be like, oh, look at this one.
No, it's almost all of it, except for this postmodern deconstructionistic, a feat-weak age.
All of human history up into this point is replete with really strong men and examples to go from.
Just don't look at our culture today because we're failing as warriors and we're also absolutely failing as poets.
We're neither one right now.
Yeah, I mean, and I would recommend Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, which is incredibly important and powerful.
I mean, anything of the Stoics.
And I mean, I think Churchill was a warrior poet, literally, was one of the most prolific authors of the 20th century, 50 published books.
And boy, did he know war.
So you say this postmodernist deconstructionist age is different.
What in particular do you think is the motivating force towards what C.S. Lewis used this phrase, but he meant it differently, the abolition of man.
I think we're seeing that.
We're seeing the men without chests actually materialize in more ways than one.
So what is the motivating force to abolish men in our age?
Yeah, I think if you make society's men very weak, well, it's really easy to take over society.
I think that's the end goal of our ruling betters.
It should be no shock to anyone.
What they'd like is more power for longer.
The biggest thing that stands in their way is strong men that draw a line in the sand and say, yeah, I'm not going to let you go any further than this.
And so if you can just eviscerate everything it means to be a man, manhood will dry up and cease to be.
I think that's the outward motivating factor there.
And from that, all kinds of cultural elements all gather together as our corrupt institutions of power, which all been basically commandeered, are gathering up to undermine masculinity.
And so there's even attack just on boys growing up so that they'll never reach that full, vibrant masculinity that they could be world changers for.
Those are the people that are revolutionaries.
Those are the reformers, right?
And so I think those are the great fears of our ruling elites, and they want to stop them from being able to grow into the people that would supplant them later.
One of the things you argue in your book is to rethink dangerous.
What do you mean by that?
Sure.
So there is dangerous bad.
These are villains.
And there's dangerous good.
These are the heroes.
You notice all the active killer events, no matter how the wind-up artists spin it to say that it's all guns are the problem.
No, it's evil men.
Every single act of killer that shot up a school or whatnot, they were stopped by good men with guns.
And so the answer for bad dangerous is actually good dangerous.
You don't eradicate good men and defang them and declaw them.
You arm them.
And the moment we start protecting our kids in the same way that we protect our politicians, all school shootings are going to stop.
It reminds me of Aslan in the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, where there was this dialogue where the question was asked about Aslan of, is he safe?
Arming Good Men Against Evil 00:14:39
And no, but he is good.
Absolutely.
I love that book.
And I got to know, Charlie, what's your favorite Chronicles of Narnia book?
I know you're supposed to answer the questions here, ask the questions, but which is the favorite of your seven?
Oh, I mean, to be honest, I never really read past The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.
I'll be very transparent with you.
I believe that there was the Caspian one that I began, and then I got sidetracked and got into the Lord of the Rings books.
Andrew says the silver chair.
And then I got into all of other C.S. Lewis's work, Abolition of Man, Net Hideous Strength, Mere Christianity books.
But I refuse to lie.
I only read one of them.
I should probably read the others.
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The book we are covering, very important, The Warrior Poet Way by John Lovell.
So, John, you have a byline here that I want to ask you about, a guide to living free and dying well.
How does one die well?
Well, I almost died a lot.
And in happening that overseas and special operations units, I was able to really take a self-audit of what I thought was the most important stuff.
There's so much that can crop up in a man's life, just the tyranny of the urgent.
So much clutter, so much wasted time, so much anxiety when really there's just a few precious things that are ultimately the most important.
And that's what you want to cut through.
And so, in facing my end, I was able to really rearrange my life and live it well.
The way to die well is you live well.
If you live a good life, you can meet your end well.
But there's too many cliche anecdotal accounts of folks that work their lives very hard.
They may have done very well in the workplace, but all of it was for naught because they destroyed relationships along the way.
And nobody calls for bank account statements or 401ks on their deathbed.
They wish they had fostered better relationships and made their lives count for something more.
Yeah, you know, it's a really interesting thing.
There was one of my favorite books, my favorite, actually, my favorite book of last year, Comfort Crisis, by Michael Easter.
He did a whole chapter on, I believe it was Bhutan or Tibet.
I get them confused, but we'll find out.
I think it was Bhutan, where they actually emphasize death as part of their national ethos of it's going to happen.
You shouldn't just live in like a state of denial.
And then you work yourself backwards from, okay, I have limited time by definition.
There will be a marginal decade.
Everybody has it.
You don't know when you enter it, which is the last 10 years of your life.
Most people know it when you're in it.
And that's kind of dark when you think about it.
But there's something very freeing about knowing you will die.
And it should create then, you use the word urgency.
I think you use it negatively.
But I think in this frame, it could be positively that knowing there is an end, that you should have daily purpose and intentionality with your actions.
I think that's it.
I think the success of a man is predicated on two things.
One is what priorities do you set for yourself?
And two, how well do you manage between those priorities?
And that's well said.
And so, yeah, the country I think is, yeah, it's Tibet there.
Yeah, I think that's right.
I'll find it.
Okay, so one other part of the book I want to cover, which you have here, you're talking about the rise of masculine, hopefully reviving masculinity and the left's nonstop attack and assault there.
So are you hopeful?
Are you seeing a renewed interest from younger men to want to become warrior poets?
I am.
In certain ways, I'm optimistic.
In other ways, I'm not, because I think there's a long and hard climb up.
When I look at our institutions of power, whether that's media or Hollywood or the government or big pharma, whatever, wherever I look, academia, the institutions seem to be controlled by radical leftist woke ideology.
That's really bad, and that's going to take a lot of painstaking difficulty to get back.
But what I see just left and right in my own communities and when I travel, I travel a lot.
When I'm actually eyeball to eyeball with other men, I see people that are fed up.
I see folks that are retrudging ancient paths that men should walk.
And we've kind of lost our way.
And now people are really gearing back up.
So I don't think things are about to get immediately better.
I think they're going to get much, much worse.
And after that, hopefully, if we do well, it'll be better.
And we have to make it better.
That's part of what we have to act in a way obediently to the Lord to try to create a better world.
And it's just not going to happen automatically.
And I'm in full support of your book, which is The Warrior Poet Way.
The way forward is what has worked for thousands of years.
Post-modernity is a pile of poison destroying our society.
They don't offer a compass.
They don't offer a navigational tool.
There is no purpose.
There is no direction.
Instead, it's a power pleasure play that will leave you miserable, depressed, suicidal, addicted.
This is what they are feeding nonstop in our colleges.
We can call it the woke.
We can call it deconstructionism.
We can call it postmodernism, whatever.
It's trash.
They shred the old books.
In fact, I recently sat down with someone who said, oh, yeah, I'm studying philosophy at an Ivy League school.
And he's like, yeah, but our curriculum, you know, we don't know anything, we don't study anything that is written by white men.
I said, well, you're really missing out.
Awesome.
You're really missing out.
Yeah, the foundation of our country had certain elements.
When you destroy a foundation, everything's going to come crambling down.
And unfortunately, I believe for most naive folks, just asleep at the wheel of life, just busy about your day, thinking that somehow it'll all just work out.
No, it won't, guys.
You need to wake up.
That's right.
Things are going downhill very, very fast, and we've got to do something about it.
The Warrior Poet Way by John Lovell.
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So there's a perplexing article that came out, and it's receiving a lot of mockery, and it should receive a lot of mockery.
But it makes perfect sense to me.
MSNBC.com.
White supremacists.
Oh, I think they changed the headline.
Yeah, they changed the headline on the website.
Actually, the old headline is still there in the prior link.
Okay, so the previous headline that they got ridiculed on was why the far right is really into home fitness.
Yeah, you know, all those white supremacists don't want to be fat like Lizzo or Stacey Abrams.
You know, they want to get into shape.
White supremacist latest scheme to valorize violence and hyper masculinity has gone digital.
Now, I have said this for quite some time, not the white supremacist thing and all that crap.
I have said for quite some time that if I'm at a gym or I'm in the gym, and if I see someone who is lifting weights, knows what they're doing, on a tight regimen, strong BMI, it's a 99% chance that they're a right-winger.
It's like 99% chance.
There's a lot that goes into that, though.
You obviously believe in responsibility.
You believe in foregoing immediate pleasure.
You believe in delayed gratification.
You believe in, obviously, higher testosterone rates.
You believe that you get what you deserve.
You believe that you reap what you sow.
These are conservative ideas.
They never used to be just conservative ideas.
Now, you know, the left-wingers have become so philosophically against normal American values.
There is no entitlement in the gym.
If you want to talk about one of the places where meritocracy is at its plainest, it's in fitness.
You get what you put in.
Now, some people build muscle a lot easier than others.
Some people lose weight a lot easier than others.
But generally, if you spend time in the gym, you're going to see a result, period.
And that's actually really empowering because then you get what Tony Robbins calls the life force of our existence, which is progress, momentum.
It makes sense, right?
If you are not growing, you're dying.
And so you're in the gym and you're lifting out.
You're doing bench press.
You're doing squats.
You're on the treadmill, whatever you're doing.
You're doing deadlift, your biceps, triceps, shoulders, pull-ups.
And you start to realize that the harder you work at this, the more you focus on it, you start to reap a reward.
That's beautiful.
That should not be a political view, but it is.
The left does not believe that.
The left believes that you are a victim of your circumstances.
So that, no, it doesn't matter how much time you spend in a gym, that you're always going to be fat.
You're always going to be slovenly.
You're always going to be overweight.
You're always going to be diabetic.
You're always going to be obese.
That you're a victim of external circumstances.
So alpha bros that are in the gym, who have sculpted their body, that have made good dietary decisions, stopped drinking, stopped doing drugs, waking up earlier when they could be doing a multitude of other stuff, whether they realize it or not, they are embracing a worldview that makes them the master of their own destiny.
That is a conservative value.
It requires long-term thinking.
It requires saying no to immediate pleasure.
Okay, I'm not going to have every dessert.
I'm not going to get drunk all the time.
I'm going to get good rest.
I want goals.
I want a teleological purpose for existence.
A telos.
We get the word telescope, which literally means North Star, where I charter my being towards.
Having goals.
All this stuff should not be political, but it has become political.
So now MSNBC writes that right-wing white supremacists are the ones that believe in getting in shape.
If you believe in being in shape and being sculpted and losing weight, you're probably a Nazi.
Don't believe me?
The MSNBC article literally has a picture of a bicep, a guy like curling a bicep, with Hitler youth in the background.
Not an exaggeration.
That's MSNBC.com.
But this should also make sense politically.
A society that is eating well, eating clean, intermittent fasting, not taking processed foods, has their testosterone rates properly balanced, understands their hormones, taking supplements, is properly hydrating, is pushing themselves physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually, that makes tyranny harder to become popular.
A society that is individually full of millions of strong people, a tyrant, how is Gavin Newsome or J.B. Pritzker going to take control of their lives?
They're going to say, screw you.
So millions of young men that are now embracing a new fitness culture, which I have a whole other theory as why this is happening.
I think that there's this like tribal signal that subconsciously is going off in a lot of young men's minds, which they can't even properly word it.
They just see society falling apart, so they want to get stronger for what might be coming next.
I honestly believe that's the case.
They see moral and societal decay.
They see our borders wide open.
They see us in these silly and stupid wars.
And there's almost this like signal that starts to just go off in a lot of young men, like, I don't know what is coming next, but I need to be physically strong.
Completely believe that.
But the left is now saying this.
Earlier this month, researchers reported that a network of online fascist fitness chat groups on the encrypted platform Telegram are recruiting and radicalizing young men with neo-Nazi and white supremacist extremist ideologies, luring them with health tips and strategies for positive physical changes.
New recruits are later invited to close chat groups where far-right content is shared.
Toxic Masculinity and Young Hunger 00:09:26
So I'm a big fan of someone who is not political.
And it's so funny.
I've made this prediction privately for a while.
Andrew Huberman.
You may or may not know about him.
He has a thing called Huberman Lab.
He is so good on data.
He's so precise.
He's so careful.
And I've said, man, the way he's talking, just wait.
They're going to come and smear him as a right-winger because he says, yeah, you know, if you do drugs and you eat poorly, you're going to have a bad output.
You can't say that.
You can't tell people to act a different way.
Or Peter Attia, who's also in this space, or Chris Williamson, like really smart guys that are into fitness and into improving your health markers.
Peter Atiatas has a new amazing book out about living longer and extending your marginal deck or having your marginal decade be as late as possible.
Really, really smart and deep stuff.
And I have respect for these guys.
Again, I don't care about their politics.
And that's one thing that I notice about conservatives is you're allowed to actually enjoy art commentary and speeches from people, even if you don't know their politics.
The left, you must pass their purity test before they consume your art or your commentary.
It tells you a lot.
MSNBC.com writes: the intersection of extremism and fitness leans into a shared obsession with the male body training masculinity, testosterone strength, and competition.
Okay, who's obsessed with the male body?
People that want to get fit or the gay mafia?
I think the gay mafia is more obsessed with the male body, by definition.
The U.S. is comparatively far behind because they are establishing fight clubs of MAGA far-right extremists.
Continues to say, again, this article should be shocking, but it makes perfect sense.
They want men to become metro-sexual betas of low testosterone that are androgynous consumers that sit on their tail all day long, that have no muscle mass, no desire, no purpose.
They want you depressed, they want you weak, and they want you easily controlled.
They don't want you to ask questions when they make bad decisions.
They don't want you to rebel against their authoritarianism.
They don't want a disagreeable society.
The great reset relies upon the masculine firewall, the masculine bulwark to be obedient or abolished.
So they label it as toxic masculinity.
God only knows the parabens and the crap in our food.
By the way, a story came out last week: 50% of our water supply is poisoned.
Toxic.
You can find it.
This is in the Wall Street Journal, by the way.
50% of our water supply is toxic.
Somebody has to explain why testosterone rates are down 500 points over the last 30 years.
Average testosterone rate of our grandparents' generation, around 800.
Average testosterone rate of a male now, 230.
What has changed?
What has changed?
Does anyone have a theory?
Can't even say it.
The crime of noticing that makes you an ultra-right-wing white supremacist.
But yes, this article on the surface is warranted of mockery.
But it's actually, Cynthia Miller Idris is an author and an expert on extremism.
Yeah, I'm sure she's a wonderful wife.
Oh, geez, she looks like she looks like a feminazi on steroids.
Holy moly.
Jeez.
Don't give this woman power.
Put her up on screen.
Let me, I got this here.
It's like Ava Perrone type.
She's a professor at the School of Public Affairs at the School of Education at American University, where she directs the Polarization and Extremism Research and Innovation Lab.
A weak citizen will not rebel.
A weak citizen will not ask questions.
Weak men are necessary for the tyrannical totalitarian takeover of America.
Yeah, there's Cynthia Miller Idris, who writes the book, who wrote the article, Why the Far Right is Really Into Home Fitness.
Nobody who has gotten strong in the gym believes in the lies of liberalism.
When you take hours a week in the gym, all of a sudden a government getting in your ear to say to get something for nothing falls.
It is incongruent with your practices.
When you're in the gym, you don't believe the lies that people are just helpless victims of circumstance.
And it's especially strong with fitness because this is the key, it's cheap.
In fact, you save money by being healthy, less antidepressants, less obesity drugs.
You eat cleaner, you save money, you become a happier, better person, full of life.
The left does not want you that way.
The corporate America does not want you healthy.
The left thinks you need some sort of $20,000 a year program with some overweight Oberlin graduate watching over you to achieve anything.
What if I told you that 20 or 30% of some of the mental health issues in America could be solved if you stop drinking, take proper supplements, get outside, go for a walk, exercise, stop watching pornography, and find purpose in your life?
Pfizer doesn't want you to know about that.
They make way too much money on benzodiazepines, Xanax, Zoloft, and the menu of antidepressants that are thrown at our kids.
If you think about it, the decline of masculinity in America is emerging simultaneously with this confusion of what is a man and what is a woman.
You know, one of the reasons why I don't like feminism, I wish feminists would actually stand up against these delusional freaks, but is because feminism was never about embracing the feminine.
It was trying to make women more like men.
And you can make a rather provocative yet accurate argument that feminism, without realizing it, laid the foundation for some of the trans stuff.
If you think about it, it was women that wanted to be in the workforce.
It was women that said, I can do anything a man can do.
These were some of the mantras.
And isn't it then logical to say that that will eventually lead to the abolition of sex-separate competitions, sports?
Biological Man wins Miss Netherlands over the weekend.
Set to compete in Miss Universe.
And everyone seems very happy, crowning biological man that does this.
All the women are smiling behind.
Yay, yay, progress, yay.
The winner is a man.
It's a disgusting-looking person, honestly.
And the runner-up is an objectively good-looking girl.
But they picked the man for progress, Netherlands.
If we have a resurgence of masculinity, which is happening naturally, one of the top, I mean, I love looking at the podcast charts, not just for our podcast, but I just want to see what are people consuming?
What are they listening to?
One of the top podcasts, and actually gives me a lot of hope.
It's number one, The Bible in a Year by that really, really smart Catholic guy.
I can't remember his name.
I'll look at it in a second, find it in a sec.
And Andrew Huberman, Huberman Lab.
The Huberman Lab is basically a podcast, it's health and fitness, that is focused on if you want to improve your life and make good choices, you can do that.
And he's massive on YouTube.
And whether it be Jocko Woolnick or Joe Rogan, this is a growing genre that the media is just catching up on.
I've been following it for years now, and I love it.
Because they push you, they challenge you.
And there's also, I would love to have him on the show.
What is the name of that guy?
Oh my goodness, I know his name.
Goggins.
That guy is just like out of control.
He's like next level.
David Goggins.
I think he set the world record of most pull-ups in a 24-hour period, something like 7,000 pull-ups or something.
His whole thing is about you can push yourself more than you realize.
And men are gravitating.
It's not just Jordan Peterson now.
There's this, Jordan Peterson, in some ways, was like the Donald Trump of YouTube commentary of resurgence of young men, meaning he like broke the window open to realize that there was this incredibly untapped reservoir.
So now you have Jocko and you have Chris Williamson and you have Peter Attia.
It's like across the board of young men that are looking for purpose.
Young men that are lost, the most depressed, suicidal, alcohol-addicted, pornography-addicted, drug-addicted generation in history that are constantly told that men are not necessary.
Toxic masculinity.
If you want to be accepted as a man, just become a woman, and then you might be able to get some points in the oppression Olympics.
And here comes this growing genre of find purpose, stop engaging in pleasure, stop being a bum, maybe go on a dopamine fast, start working out more, eat better, fast for great lengths.
You are not yet all that you can be.
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And how does MSNBC react?
Hostile to that.
They hate that.
Anything that empowers the individual to become better, absent, outside control, the left will oppose.
There's been a massive shift on the left, and I'm telling you, we can ride this wave to create a better country.
There is a subterranean hunger amongst young men, especially to become better versions of themselves.
That has not yet manifested politically.
I don't care.
It doesn't need to.
If that wave continues, we will destroy these postmodern control freak tyrants that have been taken over the country.
Keep your eye on that.
I'm calling it now.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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