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June 27, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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CNN’s Tape: “Bombshell” or Dud? with Senator Josh Hawley
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Unpacking The CNN Tape 00:11:27
Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, we unpack the CNN tape that is being used against Trump.
And then Senator Josh Hawley joins us to react.
We talk about warmongering and other important things.
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Yesterday, there was some bombshell news, allegedly bombshell news.
CNN mysteriously, we do not know how, was able to obtain the audio file that was the main component of the indictment against Donald Trump in Florida, not the indictment in New York.
Around this is this conversation that President Donald Trump has to what appears to be journalists.
I don't know if Mark Meadows was there, but it was kind of a typical Trump conversation in the sense where he was entertaining.
He was leading the conversation.
And we're going to play the entire thing.
It was Mark Meadows' book writers, his ghost writers that were there.
It was the two writers working with Meadows to write a memoir.
And here's a, we're going to go through this with many guests because this piece of evidence is the one that is being used most against Donald Trump.
We think that this is in New Jersey, and that matters a lot.
It very well could be in Florida.
There are a lot of questions around the Presidential Records Act.
If this is the best piece of evidence that Jack Smith has, this should infuriate you.
Look, the New York Times, their entire business model, Washington, D.C., it's all about leaks and recordings and the whole thing.
And basically what we're at is, hold on a second.
We're going to try to put Donald Trump in prison for 100 years because he ruffled some papers and you're a writer.
The Espionage Act and the way that these laws were written, the intent of these laws was not to try to prevent braggadocia amongst friends or guests of former presidents.
It was to say, hey, don't sell state secrets.
Did Donald Trump do what Joe Biden did and get millions of dollars of wire transfers with his son as a proxy?
Now, remember, these are the same outlets that make a business out of publishing intel agency press releases.
This is a selective edit designed to paint a narrative.
I'm going to play the entire thing for you.
I want you to listen to it carefully.
I think it's really important for you to hear the entire conversation of what Donald Trump is obviously entertaining a group of people at a club.
Says, look at these documents here.
And there's one part that is going to be the most difficult for President Trump's legal team to overcome, V. Jack Smith, where he said, you see, I couldn't, I can't declassify it now, but I could have when I was president.
So let's play the entire thing.
This is supposedly a bombshell story.
Do not know how CNN obtained this information.
There's only a couple of potential explanations.
It could be leaked by Jack Smith or it could be leaked by one of the writers on Mark Meadows' team.
One of the two.
And again, this is a selective edit designed to paint a narrative by somebody.
We know the Department of Justice loves to leak.
They're likely doing this leak as a way to try to muddy up the jury pool in Florida.
So let's listen to the entire thing.
This year, I want you to listen to it.
And I want you to think very carefully and closely as you're listening to that.
Is this worth putting Donald Trump 100 years in prison and indicting an active presidential candidate, dividing the country because Donald Trump took some papers and said, look here, this is off the record.
That is worth putting someone in prison when Hillary Clinton can smash devices and Joe Biden can run an international crime syndicate?
Here's the entire tape.
It's two minutes long.
You be the judge.
Play cut 29.
Bit sick people.
That was your coup, you know, against you.
Well, it started right at the time.
Like when Millie's talking about, oh, you were going to try to do a kick.
They were trying to do that before you even were sworn in.
That's right.
Trying to overthrow your election.
Well, with Millie, let me see that.
I'll show you an example.
He said that I wanted to attack Iran.
Isn't it amazing?
I have a big pile of papers.
This thing just came up.
Look.
This was him.
They presented me this.
This is off the record, but they presented me this.
This was him.
This was the Defense Department and him.
We looked at him.
This was him.
This wasn't done by me.
This was him.
All sorts of stuff.
It's pages long.
Wait a minute.
Let's see here.
I just found, isn't that amazing?
This totally wins my case, you know.
Except it is like highly confidential secret.
This is secret information.
Look at this.
You attack.
Hillary would print that out all the time.
She sent it to Anthony Weiner.
The pervert.
By the way, isn't that incredible?
Yeah.
I was just saying, because we were talking about it.
And he said he wanted to attack Iran.
He said it.
This was done by the military, given to me.
I think we can probably get it.
I don't know.
We'll have to see.
Yeah, we'll try to figure out a president.
I could have deep lesson.
No, I can't.
Isn't that interesting?
Yeah.
It's so cool.
And you probably almost didn't believe me, but now you believe me.
No, I believe.
It's incredible, right?
Bring some cokes in, please.
That's how you know the audio is legit.
I hate to say it, but bring some cokes in, please.
Man, I love President Trump.
God bless him.
A few things here.
First, the president's power to declassify documents is unlimited.
One can very easily and strongly argue that simply by taking the document with him, Trump was declassifying it.
The idea that our laws were designed to throw an elected president in jail for mishandling classified documents is simply ludicrous.
Now, should President Trump have been that trusting of ghost writers with that?
Who knows?
The entire concept of classified documents exists to assist the president in carrying out his executive office duties.
But we can expand this even more.
What information did Trump even share with the reporter?
He seems to have literally just briefly just flashed some papers.
The reporter didn't get a copy.
They didn't get to read it.
Trump might even have been BSing with the reporter.
Who knows?
Trump might have been saying something was confidential when it wasn't.
It could have just been pure braggadocia.
The big picture fact is that it's ludicrous to menace President Trump with 100 years in prison over this garbage.
And that's what it is.
This is garbage.
Hunter Biden gets probation for literally texting the Chinese, quote, give me money or else my dad and me will use the U.S. government to mess with you.
You really have to take a step back in this.
It's critical.
And remember why we have these laws.
What was the intent of these laws?
This is one of the biggest issues with these old laws that were written for a very specific thing that never get updated on our books.
As Cicero famously said, the more laws, the less justice.
Because the more laws you have, the administration of justice is then wholly dependent on the law enforcement agencies.
Show me the man, I'll show you the crime is what the Soviets used to say.
So when you have a criminal code, Blake would know, I think it's 10,000 statutes.
They just flip through it and they say, which one can we possibly get Trump on?
Oh, documents.
Something that every other leader played loose with.
Every single other leader played loose with.
Were any of the documents disappeared?
Did the government get the documents back?
Were the documents sold to the Chinese, to the Russians?
Were the documents sold to the North Koreans?
In that tape, did Donald Trump have Kim Jong-un over and said, hey, Kim, 10 million.
10 million.
And again, the biggest argument, if you watch cable television, is, oh, why did he have all these documents?
This is the most simple explanation ever.
Donald Trump loves memorabilia, period.
He just likes collecting that stuff.
Someone says, Paul, Charlie, the first line exonerates Trump.
He immediately says, let me see those, referring to the papers you're shuffling.
Do not let this tape fool you.
Yeah, there's a question.
Where is this document?
They didn't find it in the raid.
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Why They Want Trump Dead 00:04:21
When you have 5,200 federal crimes on the books and you have an FBI and a DOJ that are sworn enemies of you, the American people, when you have a media and a central intelligence agency and an entire apparatus that wants Donald Trump dead, why do they want Donald Trump dead so badly?
It's because of his tweets?
Because of his attitude?
No, those are just excuses that ruling class people give to their friends.
Cocktail hour.
No, it's because you're in the room.
Steve Bannon said earlier today, it's because you have a seat at the table.
He lets you into the room.
Yeah, there is some personal issues with Trump people have, no doubt.
But he takes a sword to neoliberalism.
He takes open borders, endless wars, and these silly trade deals that deindustrialize the country, and he puts them on trial.
Turns out that it's amazingly popular for the American people to have a government that actually cares about their wages, their wealth, and their livelihood.
On Cut 34, Donald Trump sits down with Brett Baer and says there was no document.
That was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about Iran and other things.
Now, I can already tell you what's going to happen here.
I could see it happening.
I see it happening on the fringes with Lawrence Tribe and all these maniacs.
They're going to accuse Donald Trump of destruction of this document.
I guarantee it.
They're already starting to do that.
But since the document is missing, they're going to say, oh, Donald Trump burned it.
Which, again, you're innocent until proven guilty.
If you can't find the document, that's not Donald Trump's fault.
What document is it?
It's an audio tape, not a videotape.
What was he looking at?
Maybe you can't find the document because maybe Donald Trump was holding up the Wall Street Journal and was saying it was a classified document.
Play cut 34.
When I said that I couldn't declassify it now, that's because I wasn't president.
I never made any bones about that.
When I'm not president, I can't declassify them.
That's what you said.
You did that.
I said, no, no.
I said I couldn't declass it.
You could have that classified document.
Brett, there was no document.
That was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about Iran and other things.
And it may have been held up or may not, but that was not a document.
I didn't have a document per se.
There was nothing to declassify.
These were newspaper stories, magazine stories, and articles.
I'm just saying about the indictments.
Ooh, newspaper stories and magazine stories.
The government is now going to have to prove via an audio file when you do not have the document in question.
Isn't it fundamental in any sort of criminal prosecution that you typically need either the murder weapon or some sort of, I mean, I'm just talking in a murder case, but you need some sort of piece of evidence that pertains to the crime itself.
Physical evidence is what I'm, thank you, what is what I'm grappling towards.
I'm not saying that it's impossible to convict without it, but Donald Trump's attorneys can easily say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on a second.
You have a piece of audio where the president very well could have been engaged in entertainment and pseudo-bluster.
Kind of saying, oh, yeah, look here.
Where's the actual piece?
And I mean, do you have a picture?
Do you have a video?
Do you see him holding it up?
Did they touch the document?
Did they internalize what was on the document?
Now, that's not the only thing Donald Trump is facing with criminal indictment, but this is the one right now.
Whoever leaked this, Mark Meadows or Jack Smith or whoever, because this is not, this piece of tape is not easily accessible.
You can't just get it through FOIA.
This is current evidence in an active criminal prosecution.
But it should just infuriate you.
This is what they indict Donald Trump on on fictitious paperwork stuff.
Literally paperwork.
Hillary Clinton is smashing email devices all over the place.
Joe Biden is selling out the country as a traitor to the United States.
And Donald Trump is hosting friends with a bunch of documents and all this.
And you have an audio tape.
And this is where you're going to put him in 100 years in prison?
No, this is nonsense.
This tape, I actually think, I'm not saying it's good for Trump.
Betrayal For Cash In Senate 00:11:30
I don't think it's bad for him, though.
This is not a sealed and shut case for the prosecution.
At all, I am immensely curious who these people are in the room.
Who are recording?
Are they leaking?
Who was there?
I'm very, very, very curious.
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Okay, joining us now is Senator Josh Hawley, author of the new book, the excellent book, Manhood, which I encourage you to check out, The Masculine Virtues America Needs by Senator Josh Hawley.
Senator, thank you for joining the program.
The breaking news today is the Trump tapes, and it seems to be that we're missing a bigger story in the CNN tapes, and it's that Donald Trump was critiquing the military-industrial complex.
Senator, is it conceivable that if Donald Trump was not in the presidency, we could have actually gone to war with and or still be at war with Iran?
Senator Hawley.
Yeah, thanks for having me, Charlie.
It is very possible.
I mean, it's very conceivable.
We know that certainly those in the permanent war complex and the neocon side are always agitating for more conflict, war, war, war, war, Ukraine, everywhere else.
So, I mean, listen, I think that President Trump was a restraining influence.
There's about it, and he was criticized for it at the time.
I mean, I came to the Senate in 2019, so just the last two years of Trump's presidency, and I remember the neocons criticizing him constantly saying that he was too slow to respond and that he was too averse to conflict.
It's like, well, that's probably a good thing.
I mean, trying to rebuild America, make this country strong.
That's the kind of focus we need.
Yeah, and you have been courageous, especially even on NATO expansion.
I think you were the lone voice.
But, Senator, you know, I was chatting with the team yesterday after we were playing the ridiculous comments from Senator Graham, which I'm not going to ask you to respond.
I understand Senate congeniality and having to be close to everyone.
But what I do think is interesting is how the media doesn't just have a left-wing bias.
It has a neoconservative bias.
Have you seen this, Senator Hawley?
Have you experienced this where not only yeah, so talk about that?
I don't think we pinpoint how the media have become basically cheerleaders for the warmongering machine.
Yeah, it's because the left and parts of the right now share this common belief in globalism.
So it's really a globalist impulse.
And the liberal form of that is, is they want us absolutely spending money fighting other people's wars.
They don't ever really want us to fight any wars that are in our own interests, but they want us fighting other people's wars.
They're happy at the same time to have us pursuing ruinous trade deals.
The left has become huge advocates of these globalist trade deals that hollow out our industry, that empower China, that drain our jobs away.
And if you question any of that, then they scream isolationist, isolationists.
Where is the great tradition of American nationalism?
That's what we really need to revive.
I mean, the tradition of Abraham Lincoln, founder of the Republican Party, of Theodore Roosevelt, and yes, Ronald Reagan, who was a nationalist, but that is not what the media or the permanent Republican establishment in D.C. is for at all these days.
They're all globalists.
And this is one of the reasons that we have a disagreement, a fight within the party.
Are we going to be nationalists?
Are we going to rebuild this country?
Are we going to bring jobs back to this country and working people?
Or are we going to be globalists?
And the people who benefit from that is always Wall Street and multinational corporations.
So let's play a piece of tape here.
This is 28, where Donald Trump said, no, I actually didn't want to go to war with Iran.
Play cut 28.
Well, with Millie, let me see that.
I'll show you an example.
He said that I wanted to attack Iran.
Isn't it amazing?
I have a big pile of papers.
This thing just came up.
Look, this was him.
They presented me this.
This is off the record, but they presented me this.
This was him.
This was the Defense Department and him.
All sorts of stuff.
Pages long.
This totally wins my case, you know.
Except it is like highly concerned.
This is secret information.
Look at this.
You attack.
Hillary would print that out all the time.
She sends it to Anthony Weiner.
So Senator Hawley, what you have here is showing that Donald Trump was pushing back against the military-industrial complex.
I believe you were a senator at the time.
Let's go back.
There was all this clamoring after, you know, going after, I think it was Cassamani, and this kind of brewing tension with Iran.
I'm glad we did not go to war with Iran.
That would be detrimental to the country.
Soleimani, yes.
And so, Senator, talk about how the I think there's another motive here, which is to go after Donald Trump because he has heterodox foreign policy.
Your thoughts, Senator?
Well, I think that there's no doubt that the establishment wants Trump eliminated because he is currently the leader of the conservative movement.
He's the leader of the Republican Party.
This administration wants him gone because he's Joe Biden's most formidable opponent, and he's going to be the nominee.
I mean, I just think it's as simple as that, Charlie.
It's all politics.
On the right, you have a strong contingent of people, many of them in Congress, who, of course, hate Donald Trump, and they may pay lip service to him in public, but they hate him.
They hate the fact that the voters chose him twice as the Republican nominee, probably going to choose him again a third time.
They hate that fact.
And one of the reasons they hate him is they're globalists and he's not.
And they just, they hate that.
You know, he's a nationalist.
And you can agree or disagree with particular decisions he made, but there's no denying the fact that Trump is not a globalist.
And I think that many, many establishment Republicans detest that about him and they want him gone.
So I think it's all politics.
What you're seeing with this DOJ and Trump is all politics.
It's Joe Biden trying to get rid of his opponent.
I don't see Joe Biden who had thousands of classified documents.
Where's the indictment against him?
How about Hunter Biden?
I mean, nothing.
So it's a joke.
It's all political, and everybody can see that.
So, Senator, I want to shift gears for a second.
And this is just more of a question of are you feeling whispers or even vibrations or hall chatter?
Senator, the Joe Biden crime syndicate is becoming harder and harder for even the most loyal Democrats to defend.
Are you seeing in the Senate at all any sort of unease, nervousness about from the Democrats that this Joe Biden stuff might be very serious?
Or is it just business as usual, not a big deal?
I'm curious kind of what you're feeling and seeing, because from an outsider's perspective, not being in the halls of Congress, this seems to be one of the most cut and dry cases of American betrayal for cash that I've seen in quite some time.
Well, I think they're worried about it.
I think one indicator of that is, you know, the Judiciary Committee the other day, we were having what's called a markup at the business meeting.
We're sitting around there and working on different bills.
And at the end, Republican senators said, now let's talk about the latest revelations from the whistleblower and Joe Biden.
Let's talk about the fact that a very credible source is alleging $5 million paid to then Vice President Biden from Burisma.
Let's talk about the fact that a whistleblower, different one, is now alleging that the DOJ interfered with the investigation into Hunter Biden total corruption.
And you know what?
Rather than just sit there and listen to Republicans talk, just talk, Charlie.
You think, oh, what's the harm?
Let the Republicans talk.
No, the Democrats gaveled out the hearing.
They didn't want to sit there because there were cameras.
And they're like, no, we're done.
We're done.
This is over.
We're not even going to sit here and listen to it.
That tells me they are afraid of this whole topic.
They don't want to talk about it.
They don't want to acknowledge it.
They know that the corporate media will never ask about it.
So they're good so long as this doesn't actually take place in public, this discussion.
So I think they're very worried and they should be worried because we have whistleblower after whistleblower now from the IRS, from DOJ, from the FBI coming forward and saying we've got corruption all around the Bidens.
And I just go back to something they used to say about President Nixon.
The American people deserve to know whether or not their president is a crook.
And if I were Joe Biden, I would want to clear things up, but he sure doesn't seem to want to, Charlie, and that tells me a lot.
Yeah, and I can just hear the cattlewalling from the media and from the Senate if and when impeachment proceeds, which I want to ask you about in a second, where they say, oh, this is reckless.
Hold on a second.
You have lost all moral high ground on any complaining about impeachment after the trash that you made us live through with Donald Trump's two impeachments.
Senator, if the House proceeds impeachment inquiry, do you think the Senate will even conduct a trial?
Will they just kind of set it aside?
I can't imagine Chuck Schumer will even take it up as a trial.
Senator, your thoughts.
Well, it's a good question, Charlie.
I need to review the rules and see if he has the ability just to ignore it.
I'm not sure that he does.
It comes over, if there is an impeachment, the House votes for impeachment.
Then, of course, it comes over to the Senate.
And I believe once it comes over to the Senate, it is the pending business of the Senate until the Senate does something with it.
So I guess the Democrats could just say, well, let's just vote to acquit without any trial.
I mean, let's just not do anything and just vote right now.
But boy, that looks bad.
You talk about stonewalling.
I mean, you talk about a cover-up.
That looks like a cover-up.
Listen, I think it is important.
What we have seen out of this Justice Department is that this is a Justice Department that systematically abuses the rule of law to go after ordinary Americans, calling parents domestic terrorists and activating the FBI's counterterrorism division against them, going after Catholic churches, parishes, infiltrating them.
Now we have all of the whistleblowers alleging corruption around the Bidens.
All of those things.
We need to get the truth on all of them.
That's why I think an impeachment inquiry is important here.
This investigation needs to be done in public.
The American people deserve to know how the most powerful law enforcement arm in the nation is being used or, frankly, misused in order to go after political opponents and, frankly, to silence ordinary Americans.
This is very, very dangerous.
And Merrick Garland, he should have resigned long, long ago, and it's time that he be held accountable.
I'm just making sure I'm understanding.
Do you think it's time for the House to proceed on impeachment inquiry and a vote to send it to the Senate?
Yes, I think they should absolutely open an inquiry.
I've called for this for months.
I think it's important they do it in public.
I think there should be public hearings.
This should all be done so the public can see it.
It ought to be extremely thorough to build the case, and then they absolutely send it over to the Senate, and let's see the evidence they've got.
But I think this is important, Charlie.
Senator Josh Hawley, check out his new book, Manhood.
It is excellent.
Senator, thank you so much.
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In the spirit of do these people actually want to be president, I want to share with you a pretty interesting poll.
Again, I don't like these tracking polls very much.
I think you can overemphasize them, but I want to, there is one that's really interesting.
So one of our speakers at our Turning Point Action Conference is Vivek Ramaswamy.
I like Vivek a lot.
Again, I'm a Trump guy, but I like him a lot and I wish him well and I'm glad he's running.
So there's a new poll that shows out of nowhere.
Vivek Ramaswamy has spiked to 6%.
Now, that's nothing massive, but it's considerable.
It's increasing.
It says Mike Pence is 7%.
Who are these people?
I would like to meet you.
Anyway, but what changed for Vivek Ramaswamy to now beat Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, Chris Christie?
What did Vivek decide to do?
Vivek took our advice here on this program, our public advice on Twitter that we received ridicule and mockery and condemnation for from a lot of people on Twitter.
You could actually look at the tracking polls.
Vivek was the only presidential candidate to go down to Miami, Florida, and to stand with Donald Trump.
Why didn't Ron DeSantis do it?
I don't know.
Mike Pence wouldn't expect him to be there.
But these candidates want Donald Trump in prison for their own political expediency.
They also don't like him, but it's just not even in their own political self-interest, which I just can't get over, quite honestly.
You know, in certain high society circles, I am brought in as the ombudsman, the explainer, or the guide of Trump people.
And I was at a dinner recently, and somebody said, Charlie, can you help have me understand why Trump keeps on gaining popularity?
I get asked this question a lot because people are just so perplexed.
Well, let's look at it.
Let's listen to this here.
MSNBC showing in great detail 2024 elections.
Play cut one, please.
And still ahead on Morning Joe, new reporting on what tipped the scale for prosecutors in the decision to pursue the classified documents case against Donald Trump.
We'll have the latest on Trump's mounting legal troubles and its impact on his White House campaign.
As new polling shows the former president is building on his lead over the GOP field despite his recent indictments.
And Democrats warn of a very real threat of Trump winning in 2024.
A very real threat of Trump winning in 2024.
Now, it could be a game.
It could be fake.
But do you know I hear more about Trump's electability from Republicans than I do from Democrats?
Now, it also could be the third explanation could be Democrats just fear that there's millions of right-wingers.
I think there is.
But let's unpack this for just a second.
I can't stand polls.
Put them aside.
Trump's going to be the nominee unless something dramatic changes, which doesn't look like it will.
I'm actually going to see President Trump tomorrow.
So anything you want me to convey to him, please let me know.
Know freedom at charliekirk.com.
I will read off a couple of your emails to him.
Can he win?
Can Donald Trump win the presidency?
Can Donald Trump win in the general?
I hear from people on the center, right, and the right all the time.
He can't win.
He can't win.
First of all, understand how transparently dumb that argument is.
He has won before.
None of these other people have ever been president before.
The prevailing knowledge in elite right-wing circles is he can't win the general.
I fully understand and acknowledge that there are millions of people that will never vote for Trump and they find him terrible and awful.
I get that.
But it's also equally true that Donald Trump brings out a 5% to 7% vote boost that no other Republican candidate has ever been able to replicate.
So can he win?
Of course he can win.
And it comes down to just three states: Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia.
Will Donald Trump lose the popular vote?
He probably will fall short in the popular vote.
Doesn't matter.
We don't do presidents by popular vote.
Comes down to can you win states, Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin.
Donald Trump can win all of those if the right investments are made in ballot chasing, signature verification, and a legal fight.
But isn't that interesting?
Mika Brzezinski.
Democrats are warning that Trump can win in 2024.
Oh, yeah, he can win.
The question is: why do so few conservatives believe he can win?
That's worth thinking about.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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