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June 16, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Are Humans Basically Good? with Yeonmi Park
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Yeonmi Park joins the program for an incredible conversation.
Are human beings basically good or basically flawed?
She's a subject matter expert on that because she lived in North Korea.
She knows who humans actually are.
It's a fascinating conversation.
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Welcome back to the program, Yanmi Park.
Thank you for having me back.
You just spoke to 2,500 young women.
Wow.
What were your impressions?
I mean, actually, I have done one women's conference, something called Women in the World in New York with Tina Brown, and it was a completely different vibe.
Different vibe?
These women were so happy.
Genetics and the Caste System in North Korea 00:13:01
They were not complaining.
Oh, really?
So the New York women were very, very, they're all like successful people, but so angry and bitter.
Why do you think that is?
I know, that's the thing.
Like, they got so much, but they, I think it's like a habit of complaining in their culture.
Yes.
It's this entire thing was as a complaining, the list, how they cannot cry in the office, how there's a glass ceiling, how they don't get paid as much as men.
Do you find that Americans are master complainers?
Some people are, yes.
I do think it's like, in a way, it's very deeply embedded in the culture of complaining.
In a way, it looks almost you look smart if you complain.
If you just busy going, you think they think you're dumb.
I don't know.
That's like my observation.
Oh, I think a lot of the woke stuff is just weaponized complaining.
So in North Korea, where you grew up and there's like no food, did people complain as much as they complain here?
I mean, they get executed.
There's no word for starvation, but that word is banned.
It's called instead of starvation or famine, it's called arduous march.
Called what?
Arduous March.
It's like arduous march.
One month in North Korean history, they were like suffering.
So they don't ask us to say it's a famine.
It's arduous march.
So if you complain, you get executed.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's really cruel.
And so you come here.
I mean, just so everyone understands your story, we've had you on before, but it's an amazing story.
You're a defector from North Korea.
How many have successfully defected?
To America is over just 200 of us.
200.
209, exactly, I know.
But very few speak up, right?
Yeah.
Why do you think that?
Because the regime punishes all the family members who are left behind.
And they also tried to kill or assassinate the dissent like me.
I've been on the killing list for a long time now.
Oh, you're on the kill list?
Yeah.
Do you fear for your life?
I do.
But I live in New York City, so I think I might get dying the subway more than before Kim Jong-un kills me at this point.
Yeah.
Some crazy homeless person might throw you in front of the subway.
Absolutely.
That's a very...
It's a very real thing.
So, but it's in your understanding that maybe Kim Jong-un might send an assassin to the United States?
I was informed by the South Korean intelligence.
That such a thing might happen.
That I'm on the killing list, so told him not to go to a lot of countries, like where he killed his brother in Malaysia airport.
So a lot of countries, it's so easier to hire hitmen that it just costs five grand to hire hitmen in many parts of the world.
Kim Jong-nam.
Yeah, Kim Jong-nam was a brother who got killed in Malaysia.
So like stabbed in the throat or something?
No, they hired some actress girls, rubber poison, and just he died at the airport.
It was not even stabbing, he was rubbing some poison on his nose, and that's how he died.
So what countries are you trying to avoid?
Definitely not Malaysia.
Yeah, that's not going to be on the top of the list.
A lot of the South American countries, a lot of countries that has a relationship with North Korea, like Cuba, Iran, I mean, and a lot of Southeast Asia, they have a relationship with North Korea.
Wow.
So there's 209 defectors.
Most don't speak out because they're afraid of family retribution.
In the leadership of the North Korean regime, I'm talking about, let's just say, the top 100 people around Kim Jong-un.
Do they know better?
Do they know good and evil?
Absolutely.
I mean, Kim Jong-un educated in Switzerland.
Their children themselves go study in Europe.
And so the people around Kim Jong-un, they go to Europe, they see what a free society is, and then they willingly come back to North Korea.
Because they be a royalty then.
They know if North Korea becomes like South Korea, everybody's equal.
But in North Korea, we have different one, different caste system.
They began the country to make everything equal.
They divided us into 51 different classes.
And they're on the top of that class.
So what are those classes?
Not all 51, but basically.
So big three characters is something, it's almost like a, you know, fruit, it's a joke.
It's a number one class, core class is a tomato.
You're inside the red, outside the red.
You're a really good communist.
Second half of the class is an apple.
You're outside the red, but inside the white, you're questionable, so you need surveillance.
The remaining, the bottom, third class is a grape.
You're not red outside, you're not ready inside.
You're damned.
You're a hostile class.
They're going to put, just oppress you, take advantage of you.
But that class determined not by what you do, what your ancestors did.
So if your great-grand-grandfather was a landowner, they say your blood is tainted.
Your genetics is oppressive to other people.
That's how your class is determined.
Before you are born, you know which class you belong to.
So the average North Korean citizen, when you were growing up, is there any awareness of how bad it actually is?
Because they have nothing to compare it to.
And we don't know the word even to describe our situation.
That's why the language controls...
Words.
Yeah, that's why it scares me in America.
They keep controlling what we can say, what we cannot say, because if you don't know the word, you don't understand the concept.
That's how the regime gets worse.
We don't have a word stress because how can you be stressed living in a socialist paradise?
You cannot be.
So they got rid of that word.
They got rid of the word stress.
Yes, because you cannot be stressed.
How about the word happy?
I think it is there, but we don't talk about that.
It's not something people we think we need.
It's not in the constitution that we deserve happiness, right?
So we don't think that's something we need in life.
We don't know.
We know as a vocabulary in the dictionary.
So how does marriage work in North Korea?
So that's a good point.
Because the regime does not want people to mix between caste systems.
So there's no such thing as a matter of fact.
No tomatoes with grapes or apples with grape.
No, you can.
You marry somebody who is a grape, then three generations of the guy's family, everybody who's alive, who's going to be born, gonna go down together.
So you only can't go down.
You can't go up.
You cannot go up.
So then, so marriage is it what is the main driver of marriage?
Reproducing to create a child so they can work for the commist revolution.
It's not a family of happiness and fulfilling your purpose.
It's a children is not your state.
It's government.
They own your children.
So the state is the true parent.
Yeah, that's what the teacher tells you since you're young.
Every room in North Korea we have portraits of dictators and saying, your real father is not important.
If he says something wrong, come tell us.
Your real father is our dear leader.
That is the most important father that you have in your life.
Did you believe that growing up?
I believe that.
Yeah.
I believe that he was God until I was 17, I think.
That he was God.
Yeah.
I thought he could read my mind.
There's no technology in North Korea, right?
Very little.
No, there's no internet.
We don't even know what that is.
No internet?
No internet.
I mean, we don't have cars, AC.
We don't have a shower.
We don't have sewage.
I mean, our lifestyle is like dark ages.
We go to the river to shower in the summer.
We don't have a laundry or refrigerator.
We don't have any of that.
So Kim Jong-un, who knows better, decides not to change any of it.
Yeah.
What do you know about him that you can share?
This is a description of a pretty evil man.
Yeah.
He was educated with his own sister, Kim Yeo-zong, in Switzerland.
His entire childhood was in abroad.
And when his father was sick, he came to North Korea, started ruling as a leader in the early 20s in his life.
I mean, he knows that maintaining the status quo is the most important thing to him.
And if he opens a market, opens a country, people are going to learn and see and start demanding justice from him.
So that's why he can never open that up.
Because he wants to be a king.
Who comes after him?
His son.
He has a son?
Yes.
He has many, many mistresses.
In North Korea, something called the pleasure squad.
Pleasure squad.
So the officials in each region have to go get this girl in the elementary school.
These dictators in North Korea believe that if you have sex with young girls, you get longevity from the energy of a child.
So North Korea, every region have to submit these young virgin girls to the regime.
And after Kim Jong-un takes advantage of them, he gives them to other guys as gifts.
It's something called gift politics.
How young are these girls?
From 9 to 11 to 13 to 16.
And after 23, you're not usable.
You're too old.
So then what happens?
They cannot join the society.
So these girls are gifted to bodyguards of Kim Jong-un and the high officials.
At 23?
Yeah.
That's just keep on getting passed down.
Yeah.
And they cannot come to the normal society.
Do you think people are naturally good?
No.
There's no naturally good.
No way.
You have to learn to be good.
I don't think that's not even.
If naturally good, North Korea couldn't exist.
The predominant view in every college in America is human beings are naturally good.
Really?
Yes.
Wow.
In fact, we had a group of students, and even our conservative kids, half of them think human beings are naturally good.
We're capable of being good if we get trained.
We think naturally.
That's false.
No, humans are naturally very evil.
No, I totally agree.
Yeah, humans are very naturally evil.
Yeah, if people were naturally good, then they would say, wait, stop.
Let's not have nine-year-olds as sex slaves.
Right.
Yeah.
No, humans are.
Yeah, that's a thing.
I can be totally bad, you know, if I did not come to America.
Everybody capable of being.
Well, I think that's what we naturally are.
The significance of that question is that if you think people are naturally good, then your explanation for evil is we have to get rid of the system.
Ah, not the people.
Not improving the person.
Exactly.
That's why Marxists love the idea of natural goodness.
Yeah.
So Kim Jong-un lives as this dictator and this leader.
What does he do to his political dissidents or opponents?
He doesn't have political dissidents.
He's a lifetime God.
If let's say somebody said, I want to run for office against Kim Jong-un.
Not even office.
I know it's not a concept.
Let's say somebody spoke against him.
What would he do?
He executed his own uncle.
He made those meat eaten by dogs in front of other officials.
When you see in America a current president trying to put his political opponent in prison, what does that mean to you?
That's actually been happening in South Korea too.
Every ex-president is coming, going to the prison.
It becomes a path to becoming third world countries, really, where that revenge comes from the political retribution.
I've never seen that in America, but it's a sign of decline of democracy in a way to me.
That it's a your political opponent is a political opponent.
You cannot send in.
I don't know.
It's so that I don't understand why America is choosing this path right now.
And also this path where there was a saying when I came to America where they say, don't hate the person.
You can hate the idea, but you don't hate the people.
You need to love the people.
Love your neighbors.
This was, I think, coming from very Christianity.
As the society becomes very secular, I think you hate the person.
America's Decline and Political Retribution 00:04:12
That's right.
Because they have this idea.
You have to revenge them.
So you grew up not even believing in the concept of God, but believing if there was a God, it would be Kim Jong-un.
Is that fair?
Yeah.
We didn't have the word of God.
We had the word leader.
So the word God did not exist.
He didn't exist.
And the concept of God did not exist.
No.
Okay.
So you come to the West.
What is your religious view now?
I'm spiritual and I'm in the journey because when I got out, honestly, when I was rescued by Christians, they said, if you believe in God, we're going to rescue you.
If you don't, you're not going to rescue you.
So you said yes.
Yes, because I was so desperate.
And you know what?
You know, it's very...
Can I just pause?
This is exactly why lying sometimes can be the right thing.
This is a provocative thing.
People say you should never lie.
I'm glad you said you believed in God.
But I actually did at the time because you didn't.
So it wasn't a lie.
You're so desperate.
And even if it was a lie, you have to save your life.
You were sex trafficked.
Even somebody brought a rock to me.
If you don't believe in this, I'm not going to rescue you.
You would have done anything.
I would have done anything.
That's exactly right.
Yes.
So you did believe in God at that point.
Now, at the time, and then once I came out, I was sick of like this people trying to control what you can believe, what you cannot believe.
And I think I became spiritual.
I believe in God now since I became a mother.
I think that's when I.
A mother.
Yeah.
I mean, when I heard my son, I realized that's a miracle.
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So now you're becoming spiritual.
What warning do you have for the country as it becomes less religious, less spiritual?
So that is the thing.
When I understood freedom for the first time as a North Korean, as an adult, freedom was a discipline and it was a responsibility.
Freedom was not just going on the street, shooting yourself like all with heroin.
And you can say that's freedom.
But what intentional freedom meant by the founding fathers in the country was that it came with a discipline.
It had to have a virtue.
Otherwise, it would be anarchy.
And licentiousness.
Right.
But that virtue came from scripture at the time.
Yes.
Now we removed God and they're trying to fill that gap with something else.
And I think that's why this, the woke ideology looks like a religion to me.
Yes, it is.
It's a chant, right?
Men and women are the same.
Like the chanting, just they keep saying as if it's going to be true if they say more and more.
Yes.
And I think that is a real question.
Like, what are you going to replace that with?
Because freedom needs that, the discipline, responsibility, and virtue.
It's a Gregorian type chant as if you're in a monastery from the 1600s.
Men can give birth.
Men can give birth.
Yeah.
It's a religious incantation, basically.
Yeah.
So you're on your own spiritual journey, which is great.
But you're living in a godless city in a secular city.
Woke Ideology as a Religion 00:11:19
One of the more powerful parts of your story is when you talk about you went to Columbia and people said that you were privileged or entitled or all this stuff.
But I want to actually ask something more personal because we've talked about that on the show before.
Why aren't you super bitter personally?
Why are you a happy person and joyful?
Because you have every reason to be bitter.
You had 17 years of your life stolen.
You were raped, correct?
Sold into a sex trade.
Barely.
Why aren't you bitter?
Why are you a happy person?
Because I went through it.
I think because I didn't have any of freedom.
I think in a way, I can have a different perspective because of my past.
At home, when I have a refrigerator, I know that how unusual that kind of lifestyle is.
And this is the idea where my agent, when I was writing my first book, they were asking me to go see a therapist.
And they say, you know, people in America who gone through PTSD, they need to see a therapist.
And I asked them, what is a therapy?
And it's like, if there's a place called therapy exists, I'm in a good place, right?
Like, I really don't need to go see a therapist.
I'm in a good place.
Don't see a therapist, by the way.
90% of them will mess you up even more.
Yeah, I did not see them.
They're good.
That's why you're happy.
Yeah, definitely.
I think it's like, yeah, I mean, people really in America haven't experienced real hardship a lot of times.
In imagination, it's a hardship for them.
That's right.
But never like they felt actual physical hardship.
So they cannot really appreciate what they have.
The best you can into words, can you describe the difference between somebody says an insult to you versus what it's like to eat for two weeks?
There's no comparison.
I would like hear the insults every day.
Yeah, because college kids are saying speech is violence.
Yeah.
They think what we say can kill them.
Words can kill people.
I mean, as a survivor, even being raped was being better than starved.
Did you make a decision to be happy?
Yes.
A lot of days is a decision.
Happiness is a choice.
Happiness is a choice.
Tell me about that.
It's why there are s ⁇ days.
No matter what, even in freedom, for sure there are sh days.
And those days, what do you do?
You choose to be happy.
It's not something that somebody going to give me happiness that day.
I choose to be happy and get up and do my job.
Where did you get that belief from?
I think it's instinctive.
I think when you...
Not for Americans.
That's.
I agree with you.
Most Americans think happiness happens to them.
Oh, this is how it happened.
And you got to...
Or yeah, happiness is something far out in the distant that eventually I'll get to.
Or happiness is, it has to be like certain days happy or not, but you're saying that it's an act of the will.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I mean, in this case.
Which is 100% correct.
Right.
Yeah, I think that's interesting.
Yeah, I think.
This is why Americans are so unhappy.
They think happiness happens to them.
Right.
Or my friends think therapists on the medication.
Because the therapists are, they need therapists.
Most people get into therapy because they got problems.
It's just the way it is.
Fascinating.
There's some good therapists, but most of them are not good.
So we live in a really sad country.
You're a happy person, which I think is what is so incredibly charming about you is that you talk about like concentration camp open-air prison getting raped with a smile and people don't really quite know how to handle that.
And we live in a super depressed country, a suicidal country, a country that is increasingly drug addicted.
And here you are, you've been to literal hell on earth and you're happy and joyful.
That's worthy of recognition and noticing.
And I just want to re-emphasize, what percentage of people listening to this, when they saw their refrigerator, thought something about it?
Right?
Yeah.
So when you see a refrigerator, what do you think?
I see prosperity.
I have food.
Like, literally, right now, a Washington Post is writing a hit piece on me.
What are they going to hit you on?
That I said I've been helping the NGOs to rescue defectors.
And it's like, does that mean that you are going back to North Korea rescuing this person?
Like, how don't you have to be thinking that?
Yeah.
Tell me the reporter afterwards, and we'll learn more about it.
But, I mean, to me, why don't we send them the Pyongyang?
Exactly.
They need to go to Pyongyang.
They should.
Go spend a month in Pyongyang Pal.
Yeah.
But I think for me, eventually, like, it comes down to that.
Like, I have so much to be grateful for.
And I think this is one thing that my mom told me.
She one day prayed to God, like, how can I be happy, God?
Like, let me make me happy.
Because she's going through a lot.
And God told her, learn gratitude.
If you learn gratitude, you're going to be happy.
And I think that's what they are missing in Americans that they are not grateful.
They are just not thankful at all for what they're having here.
The entire country teaches ingratitude.
At Columbia, how many of your teachers would tell you to be grateful?
Oh, they tell you to be angry.
Very opposite.
Not even be neutral about it.
They say, stay angry.
Be outraged because how evil the American system is.
How unthinkable everything is.
That they say the only solution is a communist revolution.
Literally, this is a thing they say.
And the only solution is... Columbia.
Yeah, we have to dismantle the American system.
Are you going to send your son eventually to college?
Mostly not.
We are sending him to Catholic school anymore.
Oh, that's a great idea.
As long as they're not woke.
Yeah, they're better than other schools.
And we want him to start business, want to build things, not thinking about reading a textbook and thinking that you know something that men can give birth or something.
Yeah, like that.
Unless you learn a skill to build something magnificent, you don't know anything.
So we want him to become a builder and become a business person.
What is it going to take to save this country, Yanmi?
It takes all of us who can save.
Is America savable?
Yeah, I think so.
You had some hesitation.
Yeah, some days I'm down, some days, but like, you know, what's the alternative if you are not hopeful?
What is, I think that even being optimistic, pessimistic is irrelevant at this point.
We know what's the right thing to do.
We need to use the waking up people.
And we need to teach our children better, preparing the next generation better, and telling our friends.
And that's the thing.
Like, I'm eventually not going to focus on can I be hopeful or not.
I just know what's the right thing to do.
And so I'm going to do that.
To do your duty and the right thing to do.
What do Marxists fear, totalitarian Marxists?
What is their Achilles heel?
They hate truth.
That's why they care the truth tellers.
I mean, and they're, yeah.
And put them in prison.
Yes, they do.
They hate the truth.
Why do they hate the truth so much?
Because it exposes them, exposes their lie.
Because Marxism is built on the lie and goes against absolute human nature.
Does a Marxist regime, when people start to speak up, does that get them to get nervous?
Yes.
Yeah.
Even Northern regime, they hate the dissent.
I think that is where that's why they lose their control.
If somebody exposes them with the truth, they literally lose control and do everything to silence those people.
Do you think there's a spiritual dimension to what's happening in North Korea?
Meaning that it's an evil spiritual oppression?
It is definitely that because When look at just complete South Korea and North Korea.
South Korea is the number one nation that produces missionaries.
Yes.
Given the population of the nation.
It's 100 million people, right?
No, less.
Like, yeah.
How many?
50 million.
Is it 50?
What's the North Korean population?
Around 21.
Yeah, it would be less.
Okay.
Right.
And look at the result.
One is God's country, one is Godless country.
And I think that's why I say that we need God.
He doesn't need us.
Nation needs a God.
They do, really do.
Yeah, there's a debate going on in some Christian circles where they say politics don't matter and government doesn't matter.
And there's 21 people in an open-air prison in North Korea.
Politics can matter a lot, correct?
Yeah.
I mean, that determines everything in the society.
Politics is the most important thing, the foundation of everything.
Even you want to have the most amazing idea to build something.
If a political system is not there to help you, there's nothing you can, there's no human potential to be reached if the political system is.
So if there's an average American listening right now, 16, 17 year old, what's your advice to them?
It's a I don't want to be right now 16, 17 America because it's just don't go on the social media.
Delete your social media.
Pick up the books, not the current New Times bestseller, those trash.
That is garbage.
Pick up the classical books.
Yes.
Classical literature.
Get into those books and read them until you understand them.
And see this original work of our founding fathers and what it meant to be free, what this nation meant to be.
Were you taught to read in North Korea?
I had a second, first grade of education in North Korea.
What books were you given, if any, to read there?
Oh, Kim Mir-song's all the propaganda books.
There's no other books allowed.
So just the propaganda book?
Absolutely.
Did you never came in contact with a Bible there?
People, recently in North Korea, the two-year-old was sentenced to concentration camp because the parent had a Bible.
North Korea is the number one nation that persecutes Christianity.
There are more than 70,000 Christians in the concentration camp right now.
On a Bible, read a Bible, met somebody believer, they are going to get executed and three generations of family sent to prison camp.
Propaganda Books from First Grade 00:02:58
In your lifetime, do you think you're going to see the collapse of the North Korean regime?
If we don't change Chinese regime, it's not going to change North Korea.
So it's a proxy state of the CCP.
China runs North Korea.
The accountability is not even on Kim Jong-un.
He's a puppet of China.
Our government's also a puppet of China.
Right.
So we have that in common.
Yeah.
So unless we don't change China, there's no hope for North Korean people.
How do we change the CCP?
How do we take down the CCP?
Americans, we are the only country that can match China currently.
We have to wake up that this is an actual threat to our democracy and our way of life here.
Because as long as there is freedom, it's a threat to totalitarian states.
Always.
Always.
That's why they hate free states, free countries.
So this war will continue as long as China stays to be this communist party.
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So North Korea is attached to, they're an attaché to the CCP.
Yeah.
What does the CCP get out of it?
So the, you know, Mao sent his son during the Korean War and he died.
Really?
So the relationship between North Korea and China is put by Chinese words between your teeth and the lips.
If you don't have the lips, your teeth are going to get affected.
Without teeth, you cannot eat.
You need each other to survive.
So one, North Korea is a buffer zone.
There's an American army in South and Japan.
So it's a buffer zone for the free movement to come to China.
They need North Korea to block that.
Second of all, it's a leverage.
Whenever North Korea tests nuclear weapons, who Americanists go to begging China to talk to Kim Jong-un?
Because North Korea does not talk to America.
Refounding the Nation on Old Principles 00:03:50
That's fascinating.
So it's a leverage stick.
So if they want to cash in a fate, if China wants to keep leverage over America, they have that.
Just sign off a rocket.
Yeah, and whenever they want America to annoy America, they can tell Kim Jong-un, why don't you test more nukes right now?
And then America have to go beg them again.
Can you ask North Korea to escalate?
So it's a very useful state for China to maintain.
You think that the CCP can be defeated?
I don't care if it can.
I just know it has to be.
We need to fight for it.
That is the correct answer.
Yeah.
So I have no idea either.
You know that they've purchased most of our elites in our country.
Yeah.
Most of our corporations.
I've met those people.
You've met those people?
Yeah.
What do you mean?
I met Jeff Bezos.
Yeah, he's a big CCP guy.
Right.
I met all the powerful people in America and they said, I'm sorry what you went through, but please don't tell people that you know me.
Really?
What other people did you meet?
Hillary Clinton.
Oh, really?
Nance Pelosi.
How is Hillary in person?
Absolute fake and liar, right?
Because so the reason you met these people is that early on in your story, it was interesting to them or something because you were doing a lot of human rights stuff, a lot of UN stuff.
I don't think they invite you anymore, right?
No, because they say you've been on Fox.
That's it.
Yeah.
Once you speak out about the Marxism here, you are untouchable.
Yeah, I'm a Nazi right now today.
Oh, is that right?
Yeah, so actually, yeah.
So initially, I did not know a conservative or democratic.
I had no agenda.
I did not know anything.
I just believed everybody that on the surface they say they care about slavery, that they denounce slavery.
And I invent them.
They are modern-day slaves.
I was one of them.
There are 300,000 North Korean girls in China who are slaved.
Can you do something about it?
And they said, no, like, don't tell people that you know me.
Yeah, the CCP has really purchased big parts of this country.
Final thought on here.
Marxism is on the march.
You're doing your duty.
Most Americans, a lot of Americans want to give up.
What's your message to them?
I think this is where, you know, it's our time to be the founders again.
And we decide the future of this country.
The founding fathers cannot come back from the graving and do something about this.
We are the only ones going to decide which path our country is going to take.
And if we believe in these values that we hold in this country, we have to fight for it, like our founding fathers did.
And this is a new era that there's enemies, actual enemies, try to get rid of our system.
That's right.
Abraham Lincoln called it a new birth of freedom.
Yeah, I've said for a while we're going to have to refound this country.
I don't know what it looks like, but that's what we have to do.
We know what worked.
That's the thing.
So why can we not do that?
That's like where in human history, many things failed, but their thing certainly worked.
And that things create the most tolerant, most prosperous, most equal society.
Not equality of outcomes, but the opportunity-wise people had the same opportunity.
The strongest nation ever.
Yes.
So we know what principles gave rise to that nation.
Then we need to go back to finding those principles.
It's not that hard.
It's not like nobody ever achieved it.
We have done it already.
We just know how to find that way back there.
Teaching Healthy Choices Amid Abundance 00:05:52
Any books or podcasts or things you want to plug for our audience?
No, this is your work is amazing.
I'm learning so much.
You're very kind.
You are incredibly bright and insightful.
And to be very honest, if most Americans had the perspective you had, we wouldn't be in this mess.
These self-righteous, lazy Americans, many of them, that just sit around and do nothing.
What do you think, by the way, this is a side note, what do you think when you see somebody vastly overweight?
It's a well, I mean, I'm going to be very honest.
Like a lack of self-control.
Yeah.
Now they say, oh, the obesity is a genetics.
It's not a bad thing.
Your city of New York says it's that it's some sort of a good thing.
It's a brain or it's a thing.
And now they say, you know, every size is healthy.
I mean, that is factually wrong.
Not every size is healthy.
Were there fat people besides Kim Jong-un in North Korea?
No.
But I live in South Korea and people work for it.
They make the right choices to stay healthy.
They're not an obese country, are they?
No, no.
And I think in America, in the name of compassion, they try to make everybody feel good.
It's all about, I have a crazy friend in New York, really.
I don't know.
Like, literally, they don't even want to say the no word to the dog.
The no word to a dog?
Because they don't want to hurt the dog's feelings.
So this dog is a trash and draws up, gets sick if it's a trash.
So you need to teach a dog, don't eat the trash.
But they literally say, eh, no, eh, no, like, because they don't want to hurt a dog's feelings.
They're good people, just very misguided.
They think the discipline of telling the truth is like something you cannot do.
So they now, not just beyond not hurting somebody's feelings, they don't want to even hurt a dog's feelings.
That is, they are doing something to destructive their body.
You need to stop them, right?
That's our response.
We know better.
We teach a dog, don't eat the trash.
You're going to get sick.
And now in society, we are doing that because people think every size is healthy.
Every size is beautiful.
Beauty, I don't care.
Healthiness matters.
Healthy really matters for the quality of your life.
You gotta stay healthy.
100%.
Yeah.
I mean, does it also make you feel that, I mean, they have so much food, so much excess?
I mean, I can't imagine.
It probably animates you.
Like, you have no idea.
Yeah.
Right?
What you have.
Like, I mean, if you're obese, you're taking food for granted and your lifestyle for granted.
Yeah, I think, but the thing is, even having this much abundance, that's a reason for them to complain.
They say, oh, we have too much food.
We have too much bad food.
And I give people.
Yeah, control yourself.
Yeah, but trust me, I've been to Costco.
I go to Costco.
There are chicken salad scissors salads.
It's a huge, gigantic pack for like nine bucks for entire week.
Your family can eat.
Yes.
They're cheaper than McDonald's.
Yes.
And telling me there's no cheap option for healthy food.
No, go to Costco.
There are a lot of healthy options that is very, very inexpensive.
So like I go to Costco, buy healthy options.
What they're telling me, there's no cheap, healthy food.
This all lie.
They just want to be comfortable.
And this new thing Eric Adams had come out where he said that being fat is a condition.
No, it's a new civil right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're like, oh, we need a bigger seat at the airlines for free.
Like they just entirely.
Do you think Americans are too tolerant of this stuff?
Yeah.
As much, I don't like government to control it, but I do think it needs to be taught.
Discipline needs to be taught.
Yes.
These things have to be taught somewhere.
And I don't think they learned it from their parents because their parents in America, I have play dates with my friends, like mothers go out.
My son, like, I put them in healthy food.
I don't give him the bad food.
If he doesn't want to eat, that's the only you're going to get.
My friends, like, I want to mommy cupcake.
Okay, you get cupcake.
I don't want to eat healthy.
That's fine.
Because they can make their choice.
One-year-old.
If they have an option, of course, they're going to only eat cupcakes.
They're not going to eat broccoli and carrots.
And I think this is where parents are so apologetic.
They say this new parenting method, they keep telling me, you need to get a consent from an infant when you change diaper.
It's an infant cannot talk, but still they can hear you.
So whenever you change their diaper, may I change your diaper and wait for them their eyesight and then change them.
What kind of sick freak is telling you this?
This is a new modern day parenting are very popular among moms.
It's very popular with new moms.
Every mom talking about this.
Every mom you know is doing yeah, this new book that somebody wrote, like you can drink wine.
There's all four studies that you cannot drink wine.
And now drinking wine is fine.
So mom's drinking wine.
Or the wine moms.
Yeah, but like this new book that somebody wrote is like widely read and everybody talks about it.
What's the name of the book?
I don't know.
I won't even read it.
I'm miserable and my kids should be too.
That's probably what it's called.
Beyond me, God bless you.
Very insightful.
I'm happy to try to refound the country with you.
It's an admirable cause.
God bless you.
It's always a pleasure.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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