Live on Stage at the Pastor's Summit with Michael Knowles
TPUSA's Pastor's Summit was one of the largest gatherings of faith leaders in America, but it wasn't just for pastors. One of the event's highlights was a conversation on stage between Charlie and Catholic Daily Wire commentator Michael Knowles. Charlies and Michael talk about Dante, the existence of Hell, the spiritual falsehood of the trans movement, and more. Listen in to an ad-free conversation you don't want to miss!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Learning From Charlie Kirk00:01:47
Hey, everybody.
Happy Sunday.
Advertiser-free conversation brought to you by TPUSA Faith, where we just had 1,100 pastors in Nashville, Tennessee, largest gathering of its kind, with Michael Knowles.
Michael Knowles and I talk about Dante.
We talk about hell.
We talk about the trans movement.
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Here we go.
Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
I want to thank Charlie.
He's an incredible guy.
His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
That's why we are here.
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Now, I have to warn all of you, I'm only going to mention this once, okay?
Michael's a Roman Catholic, so don't run out of the room.
I'm waiting for a reenactment of the defenestration of Prague.
Charlie's going to throw me out the window, launch the 30 Years' War.
Misquoted Speeches Explained00:02:58
But before then, I don't know, we can talk about something else.
However, I will say this, and I've said it publicly before: evangelicals, those of us that are not Catholics, we can learn a lot from the Catholics on how they've built schools for multiple generations to influence culture.
There is a lot that we can learn.
How many Protestant, Bible-believing Christians are there on the Supreme Court?
Not even close to as many Catholics as there are because they invest in education way better than Protestants do.
It's the truth.
On that uplifting note, Michael, I'm going to turn.
I want to turn my chair.
I feel like I'm facing away from you.
Yes.
So Michael is a podcaster, and Daily Wire, which many of you know, is headquartered here in Nashville.
And I actually was texting Michael this morning and I said, hey, Michael, you got to come to this event.
And Michael made headlines a couple months ago because Michael gave a speech where he said, we must, I don't want to misquote you, but eradicate transgenderism from the public conversation.
Is that correct?
Now, it got misquoted as transgenders.
It's transgenderism.
Michael, what did you mean by that?
And floor is yours.
I chose my words very carefully because I knew that the libs were going to run with it.
But I wanted to make the point as clearly as I possibly could.
I said, and I've now memorized this line because it was misquoted by the media, including by the White House, by Corinne Jampier.
I said, for the good of society and especially for the good of the poor people who have fallen prey to this confusion, transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely.
The whole preposterous ideology at every level.
Pretty clear.
I felt pretty clear.
Thank you.
Now, the way that you know that this line really, really worried the liberals is that they had to lie about what I said.
And first it was the Daily Beast, then it was the Huffington Post, then it was the White House, then it was the president's spokesman.
And the news outlets changed their headlines when I pointed out that they had committed criminal libel.
And a number of politicians pointed this out too.
So I think they got a call from their legal departments.
The editorial departments changed it.
But you know exactly what happens.
These liberal media will run the lie on page one, and then they'll maybe issue the correction on page 2,000 three weeks later, and nobody sees it.
And so that's what happened here.
But the reason that I gave my speech, the reason that it resonated in the room, and the reason the liberals lied about it, was because what I endeavored to do was take back ground that the liberals thought they conquered.
The liberals thought that they had already won on the issue of transgenderism, and so they thought the debate at this point was between do we trans the kids at age eight or do we wait until they turn nine?
Do we do it?
Is it third grade or do we wait until fourth grade?
And I said, no, either transgenderism is true or it's false.
The Soul And Body Symbol00:07:39
Either a man can be a woman or a man cannot be a woman.
If it is true, if a man really can become a woman, not only should we tolerate this for 25-year-olds, we probably should trans the kids, right?
I mean, if they really can be born in the wrong body, then it would seem cruel to force them to go through the wrong puberty or all of the jargon that they talk about.
But we know it isn't true.
We know that a man is a man.
We know a woman is a woman.
And so if it isn't true, then it isn't true for anybody else either.
And so, you know, Charlie, I mean, you are so good at this.
You are so good at just bringing the fight to the liberals, especially on cultural issues where the liberals think they've already won.
Sometimes the best defense is a good offense.
And I think we need to start retaking some ground on this issue.
And by the way, if men and women really are different and if men can't become women and vice versa, well, then we need to stand up for eternal truths about the relationship between men and women, of what marriage really means, of what the fundamental political institution is.
There is no reason to give that up.
We are Christian.
Either our faith is true or it's not true.
And if it's not true, then as St. Paul tells us, we are most to be pitied.
But it is true, okay?
And we can know these things revealed by our Lord, and we can know these things from the natural law.
And we can know these things using our reason and our moral conscience from the created world.
And if we don't have the courage to stand up for the basic nature of our humanity and for the basic political unit, then we're not going to stand up for anything.
We might as well close up the churches.
We might as well throw it all in and let the liberals run the country.
So, Michael, let's get down to the root of it.
The trans agenda, the ideology that transgenderism presents itself, is an affront on objective truth, on the logos, on the harmony of existence.
Why does that matter for pastors?
Why does that matter for the church?
Because I'll be very honest, the church is not the one leading on this cultural conversation.
Some of the people that are the loudest on this are people that are kind of indifferent religiously, some of the most eloquent speakers.
The church is actually afraid, in my opinion, to contest on this issue.
And not all everybody here, there's so many people that are speaking out, but it shouldn't even be a question.
And so, what is the agenda?
What is the goal of the trans movement, and how is that at odds with Christianity?
Obviously, to some degree, we are preaching to the choir here, because if you're in this room, you probably are quite animated by the truth and inspired and have the courage to stand up about it.
But we really have to articulate these basic truths.
Sometimes the liberals will say, oh, who cares?
Who cares if a man wants to put on high heels and call himself Sally?
What's the big deal?
And my answer to that is always, You seem to care.
You people who are forcing this into our bathrooms and on our sports teams and into our schools, you seem to care a lot.
You're devoting a lot of time and energy and resources to getting us to use the wrong pronouns to refer to any of these people.
And so you have to ask yourselves why.
And especially from your position as pastors, it cuts right to the heart of what you are preaching and what you're talking about.
Because our faith is an incarnational faith.
The incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ is the pivot of history.
Our Lord, the second person of the Trinity, takes on flesh on humanity and dwells among us in a real time and place with a real knee and with hands and with skin and with bones and with flesh.
And so the question of transgenderism is, does our identity have anything at all to do with our bodies?
Transgenderism says no.
You, Charlie, you're a pretty tall guy, broad-shouldered.
You look, you got a nice Adam's apple there.
It looks like you're a guy.
But according to transgenderism, you might really truly, at some deeper level, be a girl.
Well, how is that the case?
Because if they were willing to use the language of traditional religion and philosophy, they would say, well, you've got the soul of a woman, even though you've got the body of a man.
But then this raises a question that philosophers and theologians have debated for many years, which is, can your soul be a different sex from your body?
Does the soul have a sex at all?
What is the relationship between the soul and the body?
And luckily, we don't need to have some eccentric from the New York Times answer this question for us.
We've got good old Uncle Aristotle.
We've got Thomas Aquinas.
We've got a lot of other smart guys in the meantime.
And we know that the soul is the substantial form of the body.
That our body is in a way a symbol of our soul.
And we're both of these things.
And our soul and our body are inextricable while we're here on earth.
It doesn't make any sense to say that your soul and your body are sexually in opposition.
And your will is completely irrelevant against God's design that he gave you, right?
You are declaring war on nature.
And with that, you are trying to say that my will is over the design, right?
And this is also why the trans movement is so pernicious.
Is that Genesis 1 through 11, which I think most pastors need to talk more about Genesis 1 through 11, which the entire word of God really is based, it is the fulcrum point, right?
It is the foundation.
Because Genesis 1-1 sets up the whole ballgame.
Why are we here?
Is our existence an accident or is it purposeful, right?
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1.26, 1.27.
What is a human being?
Is a human being an accident of Darwinian evolution?
Or is it designed in the image of the divine and the creator?
These are the most important questions that we can ask in a culture.
The distinctions, Michael, between God and man, man and nature, male and female, between the profane and the holy, good and evil.
The distinctions is what the trans movement seeks to destroy.
Because when you do not have distinctions, you have moral and absolute societal chaos.
I'm so glad you mentioned the will.
That was such a great point.
Because the traditional understanding of our human nature, what makes us human, is that we have will and intellect.
We have a rational soul.
We all have a lower appetite, which is, you know, you want to eat the fifth cookie even though you probably should cut it off because your pants are tight.
But you also don't want to eat that fifth cookie because you want to look good and you want to be healthy.
Well, what does that mean?
It means we have an appetite, a lower will, and we have a rational will.
And the rational will is supposed to mediate between the appetite and the divine will.
That's how we understand it.
For the pro-trans movement, all that intellect stuff, that's out.
All that matters is will.
You see this in the satanic musings of Aleister Crowley, the first commandment of Satanism.
The only commandment is, do as thou wilt.
You see this in the Garden of Eden.
What does the serpent say to Eve?
He says that ye shall be as gods.
Oh, surely you won't die.
Ye shall be as gods.
George Bernard Shaw, who's a socialist playwright, wrote a line that has been quoted by John F. Kennedy, by his brother Robert Kennedy, and by Democrat politicians ever since.
Acting Versus Contemplating Life00:02:50
And the line is, some people see things that are, I'll do it in a Kennedy voice.
Some people see things that are and say, why?
I dream things that never were and say, why not?
And this has been quoted by countless liberals ever since.
And what they never tell you, that's the only time a Kennedy, it's the only time a Kennedy is going to get applause at a TPUSA conference.
But that's the line that they all quote.
And what they don't tell you is that that line comes from a play cycle called Back to Methuselah, a modern pentateuch.
This was a rewriting of the Bible by Bernard Shaw.
And it's actually a line from the serpent in the Garden of Eden tempting Eve.
Those are the words of the devil.
And so for the liberals, what they insist upon is their will.
You see this in Humpty Dumpty and Alice in Wonderland.
Humpty Dumpty says that words mean whatever I want them to mean.
And Alice says, can words really mean so many different things?
And Humpty Dumpty says, the question is, which is to be master?
That is all.
Does intellect matter?
Does truth matter?
No.
Only the will matters.
And so this brings us to a point that I think is really important for pastors to understand, which is you are courageous people.
Your presence in this room tells me, you get it.
I'm looking at my friend Rob McCoy out there.
I know these are people who understand the place we are in the culture and in politics and recognize we need to stand up against the lies and the deceit.
So that's wonderful, and you have to keep doing that.
But Christians are not called only to act.
In fact, we're not called even primarily to act.
We are called primarily to interpret.
You see this in Luke chapter 10 when our Lord is in the home of Martha and Mary.
Martha's going about serving.
It's Martha's home.
Martha's gotten the money to keep the roof over everybody's head.
She's serving lunch.
And Mary is sitting at the feet of our Lord, anointing with oil, listening to the words of our Lord.
And Martha complains about this.
And Martha says, Hey, Jesus, aren't you going to say something?
There's my sister just sitting there.
Meanwhile, I'm putting on this whole party.
And our Lord says, your sister has the better part.
Your sister Mary has the best part because she is listening to the words of her Lord.
And you, Martha, are engaged in the act of life.
There's a role for the act of life, but what we're called to is the contemplative life, too, the interpretive life.
We're called to see signs.
You know, our Lord mocks the Pharisees.
He says, you know the signs of the weather, but you don't see the signs of the times.
And so to this wicked generation that seeks after these signs and wonders that they don't understand, no sign shall be given except for the sign of Jonah, which I always love.
Seeking Truth Above All Things00:15:02
It's like saying, you won't get any prize today except a Ferrari.
You won't get any sign except for the sign of the resurrection, the sign of salvation.
And that sign is what we have to point toward.
You know, we Christians understand that history has happened.
It has a meaning.
There is truth.
We can discern that truth using our reason, using our moral conscience.
And then we need to proclaim that truth.
And it doesn't matter how many people want to pretend that they're the wrong sex or 57 other different sexes or genders.
Your willfulness does not make it so.
We will proclaim the truth or we will not proclaim anything at all.
And remember, Jesus did not go to the cross willingly.
He went obediently.
Thy will be done.
And by the way, Michael, I want to compliment you.
You know the Bible as a Catholic better than almost any Catholic I've come across.
Maybe it's because I'm friends with so many Protestants.
Yeah, it's because you're hanging around us.
So, Michael, I want to emphasize the tyrannical nature in the LGBT because I think it really stands for tyranny.
This is not about live and let live, which temperamentally I think most of us in this room and in the country have a live and let live attitude where we don't want to over-police people's imaginations or delusions.
I think it's now triggered a lot of our response because they're in public life.
They're taking over corporations.
But it's never just about somebody in their own living room thinking they are something they are not.
No, no, it's much more than this.
It is about, as the great Matt Walsh would go through the four sequent steps, right?
First, you must tolerate it, right?
I think at first it goes tolerate, then no, tolerate, accept, celebrate, participate, right?
Tolerate, accept, celebrate, participate.
I always have to relearn it going into June because it just remanifests itself as we go into June, our wonderful Pride Month, everybody, right?
What a nationwide disgrace June has become, by the way.
I think manifesting is the operative word.
Yeah, exactly.
Manifest.
But Michael, you and I both, this is, by the way, what we're about to articulate here, this is not a sob story.
We're not doing a victimhood thing.
I just want to make sure you know honestly what you deal with if you stand for truth.
We both get death threats all the time.
We cannot show up to college campuses and speak about these issues, violent interruptions, all that stuff.
This is not a peaceful movement.
This is not a live and let live.
This is not about dialogue or middle ground.
This is tyrannical.
It's totalitarian.
It's Bolshevik at its nature.
Michael, can you just add something to this?
I think it's important for pastors and people that lead churches to know that this is different than most of the other kind of culture war debates that are happening in the country.
It is different.
And it's different in that we've talked about all sorts of different issues.
I'm sure you've all talked about all sorts of different issues.
And you can be criticized.
But people tend to behave at least somewhat rationally in their criticism.
On this issue, they do not.
And that's because this issue is premised on irrationality.
This issue is premised on the idea that you can never know anything about reality beyond what a delusional person will tell you subjectively.
So that's why the behavior becomes increasingly irrational.
And it is very dangerous.
And do you know, I was burned in effigy a few weeks ago.
That was a funnier version of this.
You know, some of them are scarier.
That one I got a kick out of.
Because it actually gets to an important truth about the transgender movement, which is it's about symbols.
It's about the symbols that we use.
We're heading into Pride Month.
It's the new liberal liturgical calendar that gives a quarter of the year, basically, to strange.
It's kind of like a lead-up.
I noticed this, Michael.
We have like pre-Pride Month, and then we have Pre-Trans Pride Month.
It's like Pride Quarter at this point.
It is.
No joke.
June is the Pride Month.
October is LGBT History Month.
We're in May.
Somehow there are rainbows everywhere already.
So it goes on and on and on.
It's literally more, I mean this non-sarcastically, more lead-up, more pageantry, and more media support than the Christmas season now has in America.
That's not an exaggeration.
There's no avoiding it because we live in time and space.
We live in a society.
No man is an island entire of himself.
And so we have to agree on certain things.
You know, this is why, on certain issues, you can have a conciliatory middle ground.
I want low taxes.
The libs want high taxes.
Okay, I'll agree to some middle ground of taxes.
I want significantly less migration into the country.
The Libs want open borders entirely.
Okay, we can agree on some number in the middle, maybe.
Either women have their own bathrooms or they don't.
There's no the minute that one guy says he has the right to go into a woman's bathroom, women just don't have bathrooms anymore.
Women will either have their own sports teams or they won't.
The state necessarily will say something about that.
The culture necessarily will say something about that.
Pastors necessarily will say something about that.
So we just have to pick a side.
If you are lukewarm, you will be spit out.
It's inevitable.
I mean, it's promised to us.
I'm reminded of Dante.
I love Dante.
Perhaps because I'm Italian.
I really love Dante in the Divine Comedy.
And in the earliest stages of hell, there are the non-committal people, the lukewarm people.
They are people who are so disgusting by their surrender of their reason, by their surrender of their will and their courage, that heaven won't have them, and hell won't have them either.
They've been spit out by everybody.
They're not even good enough for hell.
And so on these issues that are so fundamental, who are we?
What is a man?
What is a woman?
If we cannot take a stand and enshrine that stand in law, enforce that stand through our civil society, and yes, impose reality on people, then we simply cannot have a society at all.
Revelation 20, the cowards will be the first one judged.
I remember that.
And there's a lot of them, unfortunately, out there.
And speaking of Dante, this is an interesting wrinkle, though, because I feel as if we're being sold out because the seventh circle of hell, occupied by Cassius, Brutus, and Judas, the trihead of deceit, according to Dante, he believed that the worst thing you could do is to betray.
And specifically betray your benefactors in that lowest part.
What are we to make of our elites that make a deal with the trans lobby?
As Dante would say, they get to the lowest level of hell.
It's happening more and more.
Yeah, there are all sorts of political figures who are not merely in the lowest circles of hell, but they're all throughout hell.
Some make it to heaven too, so it's not without hope for those of us in public life.
But there are a lot of politicians in hell, and there are a lot of prelates and clergy and the popes, the popes in hell that Dante puts.
I'm sure the popes didn't like it very much when he wrote about it, but he didn't care.
And part of this you see actually explained in Paradise when Dante is speaking to his one illustrious ancestor, a guy named Cacciuida.
And Cachaguida goes on and gives Dante political advice.
And he says, Dante, you're a partisan.
And partisanship is not going to help Dante.
He's going to end up being exiled from Florence.
But he says, ultimately, you have to be a party of yourself.
Un partito di sesteso.
You have to be a party of yourself because you're going to stand there before that judgment seat.
I mean, and that's going to be on you.
And so we come together, we work in coalitions.
I loved when you said, folks, we've got to put some minor theological quibbling aside for a second, or we're all going to be quibbling from the gulag.
And so we have to work together.
We have to cooperate.
We have to recognize we're in society and make some priorities here.
Ultimately, though, we are going to be before that judgment seat.
And there are going to be people who call Lord Lord, and our Lord will say, I did not know you.
And so You have to be very careful, and you have to be very courageous, and you have to be very clear about what you think.
You know, Christianity is the only political revolution that has ever really mattered.
When our Lord is crucified and is resurrected, that is the final political revolution, because it deprives the tyrants of the one tool they had, which is the subject's fear of death.
We don't fear death anymore, okay?
They can our political leaders, they might be able to make us scream, but they can't make us lie.
Only we can consent to telling a lie.
And we shouldn't do it because the consequences of lying, the consequences of saying no to our Lord, to saying no to truth himself, are going to be a hell of a lot greater than the consequences of saying no to some woke apparatchik.
So, Michael, let's get down to some action steps, okay?
What would success look like?
I could comment for a little bit on here.
It's Pride Month.
How should a pastor talk about it, right?
First of all, I hope everyone here does talk about it.
It would be my encouragement to you that you give a sermon or a series of sermons talking about how we're basically under imperialistic colonization occupation.
I mean, you cannot walk into a major corporation or go to a major social media feed for an entire month without seeing a rainbow, which, by the way, is supposed to be a symbol from the Bible that has been co-opted by, let's just say, a not very good movement.
We need to reclaim the rainbow, by the way.
It needs to be reclaimed.
This is supposed to be a covenant against ultimate destruction, not whatever this is.
And think about what the rainbow symbolizes is not merely weird sex stuff, as a lot of us tend to think it is.
It symbolizes pride.
It symbolizes literally that, yes, not only a sin, the deadliest of the seven deadly sins, what St. Thomas Aquinas called the queen of all vice, which my friend Andrew Clavin points out has now become the vice of all queens, which I think is very, very funny.
But it's everywhere, and it's pride.
It's the biggest one of all.
And so, you know, actually, to Drew's point, to that line, I think this is a really important tactic that pastors can use.
I'm not a huge fan of yucking it up from the pulpit.
I think we're talking about serious matters.
Anything over seven minutes, Michael gets really nervous.
That's too long of a homily.
Keep it going.
You know, I always answer with the homilies.
The length really depends on who's giving it, you know, and what they're saying.
But I don't think you need to make jokes and yuck it up up there.
However, you can have some levity.
You can be a little winsome in this.
You know, I think what the liberals are betting on is that when we talk about pride, we make it very super serious.
These people who think that they're the opposite sex, we need to just be as somber as we possibly can.
Or on the other side, they'll expect us to be extraordinarily fire and brimstone, yelling and screaming our heads off.
We don't have to do that.
We can point out, we don't have to be either of those things.
We can point out that if not for all of the suffering that comes as a consequence of sin, sin is absurd.
Sin is kind of funny.
The idea that a man thinks he's a woman is a funny thing, okay?
And it's very silly.
The idea that men and women are going to engage in all sorts of deviant and bizarre and eccentric sexual sorts of practices.
I think of the Biden administration guy who was stealing women's suitcases and dressing up in leather dog outfits.
And obviously, he's committing crimes.
He's making people suffer.
But it's also in charge of our nuclear arsenal.
Yeah, right, right.
True.
It's somewhat of a high-stakes job.
Having your finger near any nuclear material is not great, but it's very funny.
And so you can point out, you can say, guys, this is aberrant stuff.
One of my favorite phrases, it's sort of an old-timey phrase, but whenever I talk about these issues, I say, you know, so-and-so, he's a little bit light in the loafers.
Okay, it's not, you don't need to be totally condemnatory.
You don't need to, you say, look, this is a little bit off, okay?
If you think you're a man, you think you're a woman.
It's a little bit off.
We've got to straighten that stuff out.
But it's okay.
We've got an answer for you.
And it's a message of love, and it's a message of truth, and it's a message of beauty.
And I promise you, whatever bizarre delusion you've got, where you think you're the 57th gender, you think that will give you a euphoria.
I mean, people will report, actually, that if they go through the transition, it gives them a brief feeling of euphoria and almost kind of an ecstasy.
Yes.
But that goes away.
And so we have data on this.
I think social science is pretty much all bunk, but I'm happy to quote it when it serves my argument.
And in this case, it does.
And in this case, we know from the largest data set on the transgender transition, we know that it does not improve mental health outcomes, anxiety, suicide, depression.
In fact, in one case, in the case of anxiety, it would appear to make the condition worse.
We know that it's spreading tremendously.
We know that the rates of regret, again, according to the largest data set we have on that now, are not 1 or 2%.
It's upwards of 30%.
We know that this is harming younger and younger children.
If you pursue this, you might feel a brief ecstasy or you might not, but you are very likely going to put yourself into a position of a lot of anxiety and sadness and depression.
It reminds me of a line from C.S. Lewis.
It's a line I come back to a lot.
And it's a line I think you can really preach on this issue.
If you look for truth, you might find comfort in the end.
But if you look for comfort, you will find neither truth nor comfort.
Only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin, and in the end, despair.
Seek the truth above all things.
A happy consequence of that is it will bring you joy as well.
And to piggyback on that, the church must articulate the good and the true.
You do not know a line is crooked unless you have a straight line to compare it to.
And the church, on a weekly and daily basis, has to articulate what that straight line is, which is the word of God, which is the logos, which is truth.
And, you know, I'm sure we're going to have QA throughout this.
Obligation To Preach Truth00:02:30
And I'm sure some of you say, well, Charlie, how do I deal with one of these people in our congregation?
With love and truth.
Love them enough to try to get them to escape from the delusion that is currently occupying their body, where they think they have to wage war on their biology, and somehow that's going to liberate them.
It will not liberate them.
It will further torment them.
This is an unclean spirit that's being pushed by pharmacological agents and pharmaceutical companies that are doing such damage to people.
And kind of on the idea of the lightheartedness, one of my favorite Tucker Carlson quotes, he's so special.
He says, the slogan of the trans movement: anything that a woman can do, a man can do better.
It's the opposite of what we were told growing up.
That's the slogan of the trans movement.
41 seconds, Michael, final thoughts.
Often Christians will quote that Bible verse about the millstones.
You know, if you go after the little ones, those millstones ought to be tossed around your neck.
And we quote that when we're talking about abortion.
Now we quote that when we talk about abusing children, transing the kids.
But don't forget, that verse from our Lord is not about abusing a child.
It's not about punching a child.
That verse is about scandal.
It's about causing the little ones to stumble, to be a stumbling block and an obstacle and a scandal to them.
And so keep in mind, you have an obligation to preach the truth.
You have an obligation to care for the people in your congregation.
And you as a pastor will have to answer for the people in your congregation, for your flock.
So you have that obligation.
And you have an obligation furthermore not to cause any of them to stumble.
And when you go squishy, and not that you would do this, but when pastors go squishy, when they try to compromise on the truth because they think it will be politically correct or it maybe will make someone feel better briefly in the moment, you could be causing countless members of your flock to stumble.
Do not do it.
It is not worth it.
You speak that truth.
You will have no greater reward than that.
God bless you, Michael.
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