Eliminating Normalcy Bias with Garrett O'Boyle and Kurt Schlichter
Things in Biden's America keep getting worse, yet for tens of millions of ordinary Americans, no alarm bells are going off. The culprit: Normalcy bias, which allows people to see the status quo as "normal" now matter how much it would horrify their grandparents, their parents, or even themselves just a few years ago. Plus, FBI whistleblower Garrett O'Boyle describes the rot inside the FBI, where it comes from, and how bureaucratic tyrants have tried to destroy his life and livelihood for stepping out of line.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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The ostrich syndrome, also known as denial.
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Garrett O'Boyle, who testified in front of the House Judiciary Committee and the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, has tried to destroy his life, but he's not letting that happen.
Garrett O'Boyle, FBI whistleblower, joins us now.
Garrett, God bless you.
Welcome to the program.
Thanks for having me, Charlie.
Garrett, tell your story and talk about what the FBI did to you.
Well, open-ended like that.
We're going to be here a while.
So I started providing protective disclosures to Congress after I started seeing things inside the FBI that were not aligned with my oath to this country and to the Constitution.
I think more importantly than that, they also weren't in line with my faith as a Christian.
And I just couldn't.
I got to a point where I just, I couldn't go on continuing to know that things had gotten so far off the rails in the FBI and day in and day out going and trying to keep my head down and focus on my particular area of things where I could say, hey, well, I'm doing the right thing with my little piece of the puzzle, knowing that there are a multitude of things going wrong inside the agency.
Even after I got suspended, they gave me the quote-unquote opportunity to provide a written statement trying to counteract some of the suspension actions against me.
And in that statement, I included a verse from James chapter 4 at the end of the chapter.
It says, for those who know to do the right thing and fail to do it, for him it is sin.
And that is an absolute pillar of my faith.
And it's an absolute pillar of the Christian faith.
And I think in large part that is the crux of why I started providing those disclosures to Congress.
And in retaliatory fashion, they made an allegation against me that has been completely false from the start.
I won't get into too many of the details yet since there's ongoing litigation and internal processes with the FBI.
But yeah, so they ended up suspending me on false pretenses.
And at that initial point, I told them, well, this allegation is not true.
And I have been making whistleblower disclosures and protective disclosures to Congress, but they had already made up their mind.
And that was in the middle of a transfer from Wichita, Kansas to the Quantico area of Virginia.
So I had tried out for a new specialty unit that was being established.
And so I tried out.
I made it.
I got selected for that unit.
The FBI let us sell our house.
They knew my wife was pregnant at the time, but we still went forward with the transfer in good faith, thinking that there was nothing amiss.
I had no idea that this was coming, none at all.
But I did find out later that those in my management in the Kansas City field office did.
They did know, and they still allowed us to carry on with that transfer and sell our house and have a baby and then let me report before we closed on our new house in Virginia.
So we were never able to close on that house because once the lender found out there was an adverse employment action, they wouldn't let us go forward with the loan.
So, you know, as I said in my testimony yesterday, they rendered my family homeless with three very young girls and a newborn baby girl as well.
And, you know, it has been a very difficult time for me and my family.
You know, I'm very grateful.
You know, my wife is a true Proverbs 31 woman, if you're familiar with that chapter.
Very familiar.
I'm just very blessed to have her in my life and my four sweet girls.
And, you know, I've said it before, maybe not in my testimony like this, but I don't really care what the FBI does to me.
They can do whatever they want.
I don't care about me.
I'm willing to make those sacrifices, you know, up to and including death on behalf of this nation.
I have sworn that oath many times.
I have lived that oath in Iraq and Afghanistan.
But I didn't swear that oath for the FBI to destroy my family.
And so, in large part, fighting for them and fighting for our faith and fighting for the people of this country is really what has brought me here.
So, Garrett, that's heroic and courageous.
Garrett, can you tell us what were the, as you say in your words, things that were going wrong, the troubling instances that you started to see in the FBI?
Can you give us some examples?
I can.
So, just some of the ones that are public that have been released in the public domain, I can touch on.
I was advised to stay away from some of the other things just because they're still protected.
And my counsel said, just don't get into stuff that isn't already out in the public domain.
So, one of the things in the judiciary report that they released prior to the hearing yesterday from my closed-door deposition back in February, which as an aside, I headed into that deposition under the belief that it was confidential and private, and I was told not to talk about it.
And then a few weeks later, my name and limited excerpts of my deposition and even outright falsities and lies and obfuscations were leaked to the media.
And so that's how my name first got out there.
But anyways, I think a primary example is I had a militia violent extremism case.
In actuality, it was one case.
But in the FBI, they had me open up four separate cases because there were four individuals involved with that case.
Now, for whatever reason, the FBI's policies indicate that for anything terrorism, quote-unquote, terrorism-related, you open a case on each individual.
But say I had a case on a gang and I had four people who were part of this gang that I was investigating.
You would open one case and you would have a sub-file for each individual, you know, John Doe, one, two, three, and four.
But for whatever reason, and I think it's so the FBI can say, look, look at all the terrorism.
They can go to Congress and say, we need more money.
Look at all the terrorism we have.
We have, just in Wichita, Kansas, one agent has four cases.
But that's not really true.
I think they're hiding the ball there to kind of muddy the waters on what the American people know about the types of crimes that they're actually investigating.
And I know after some of that testimony was leaked, the FBI responded and said something to the effect of, you know, that's just false, that we manipulate statistics like that.
Okay, they can claim that all they want, but I think the American people need to be the deciding factor here and say, well, if an agent is pretty much submitting every single document that he writes to all four of those cases, why isn't it just one case?
Because that's how you would do it in a gang case, for instance.
So that's just one example.
And I mean, there are many, many others that me and other whistleblowers have talked about, but I think that's a primary one to show that when the FBI says, look at all the terrorism we're investigating, look at all the domestic terrorism.
They want to inflate the numbers.
Yeah, it's in their best interest to make it seem as if domestic violent extremism is bigger than I.
But is there a link for our audience to be able to support you?
Yeah.
So the one that's being used right now, there's another whistleblower out there.
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He got suspended long before I did.
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And we're very grateful.
But that link, give send go slash Kyle Serifin, is probably best.
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Garrett O'Boyle is with us.
He is a whistleblower.
So Garrett, I'm curious, since you have decided to speak out, what has the response been from friends that you still have in the Bureau?
Are there more people that wish they could speak out?
I hope so.
I don't know if that's the case.
So after yesterday, well, first, the last eight months, the amount of people who have reached out have been very, very, very minuscule.
And it has been part of the demoralizing aspects of this whole suspension process.
I think I honestly think that it's part of their process.
They do it on purpose.
The process is the punishment, as me and Steve Friend and Kyle Serifin and others have said.
And I think they do that on purpose, to make you just want to quit, because then you literally have zero recourse at that point because they say, well, you resigned on your own.
And they tell your colleagues that, you know, like I mentioned in my testimony yesterday, I know for certain, I've had it verified by more than one person that my first-line supervisor in Wichita, after I was suspended, had a squad meeting and told all my former colleagues who I worked with for years that I was going to be arrested, charged, and fired.
And it's like, he's not privy to that information unless he's part of the investigation, which I would say is probably some type of violation since he's just a local level supervisor, not HR or security division or anything like that.
But then he's going and slandering my name to all these people that I used to work with, and that really chilled their speech.
It took a while for even the first person to reach out kind of on the side and say, hey, man, I'm sure you're going through a hard time.
But then, oddly enough, after yesterday, a small contingent more of people have reached out to me and said, man, I had no idea.
They told us not to talk to you and things of that nature.
And it's like, well, why?
Why would they tell you not to talk to me?
You still have a First Amendment right to speak to whoever you want.
I can still be your friend and a former colleague, but they chill that speech of those current FBI employees.
And it's also sent as a sign and a signal to them.
If you step out of line, which I would say whistleblowing isn't stepping out of line, it's a good thing.
We're supposed to have people in government who say, hey, this is wrong.
The American people need to know about it, so I'm going to go to Congress or any of the other avenues you can go to for a protective disclosure.
But instead of the FBI, they say, nope, it reminds me of the Hoover era of the FBI where they just destroy any type of dissent, and they just want yes men, which is, I think, the absolute opposite of what we need in law enforcement.
Well, it sure seems like that's what's happening.
And do you think that the D.C. field officer, Christopher Wray, is letting this happen or is orchestrating this?
You know, I don't know how much he has his hand in it.
He has said himself before that he's rather insulated.
I think that's also by design.
So I think the seventh floor of the Hoover building is really who's running the show, and they're the ones who are squashing this dissent.
But as the director of the FBI, he should have a better handle of the organization than to let people under him just destroy people's lives who are trying to shine a light on their darkness.
In closing here, one minute remaining.
How, if at all, can the FBI be fixed or remedied?
You were in a field office before, right, in Kansas, Kansas City, if I'm not mistaken from what you mentioned.
And then is this a rot all throughout the FBI?
How do we fix this?
About one minute remaining.
So, I don't know that it's a rot for the whole organization.
In Kansas City, in the Kansas City field office, where I was, and the resident agency down in Wichita, and I would imagine most other field offices, by and large, there are decent people who want to do the right thing, but then they get to a point where they're too afraid to speak out about malfeasance in the organization.
I think the real rot is the headquarters element and the people we call blue flames inside the organization.
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So, those are the type of people who just want to get promoted.
They don't really care about the Constitution.
They don't really care about doing actual work on behalf of the American people.
They just like the status and ego that it brings.
We have to somehow figure out a way to fix that.
Well, I want to thank you for your courage, Garrett.
We're going to be sending you an invite and all the FBI whistleblowers to come to our event this summer.
And there is a give send-go.
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The left, by the way, the left has an entire nonprofit infrastructure to support whistleblowers.
On the right, we have nothing.
Again, another wonderful failure of the RNC.
Thank you so much.
God bless you.
Garrett, we have your back.
Thank you, Charlie.
Thank you.
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Kurt Schlichter is with us right now.
Kurt, a couple things I want to kind of go through with you.
You're super smart.
I said in the first hour, my current take on the last week's events, last couple weeks' events, I should say.
Tony Blinken with the Intel Letter, 50 Intel officials fraudulently signing that letter, the Elon Musk discoveries from Twitter that FBI and Twitter colluded.
Enemy Occupation of Institutions00:15:06
And then, of course, the Durham report, which was nothing new, but it was confirmation of what we already knew, is that I believe there's going to be an active seditious conspiracy going in 2024.
Kurt, if you were the Democrats and you were at the Aspen Institute and you were whiteboarding the 2024 plan, what are they going to do in your guesstimate to try to interfere with the 2024 election to try to re-implement whomever their candidate is?
Well, look, I think you're going to see a multi-pronged attack.
The first is, once again, trying to game the system and change the rules.
And unfortunately, we as Republicans pick the same person who failed to defend against that in 2020.
I've told this story many times before.
When I got to Nevada one day after the election in 2020, the GOP had one lawyer on the ground, one guy.
He brought his dog.
That was nice.
But the dog was not a lot of help in spending the six months before the election preparing the battlefield.
I have seen zero plan from Rona McDaniel.
Maybe there is one, but you know, it would be nice to know it.
The second thing that we're going to see is the regime media doing what the regime media does and attempting to destroy whoever they think is going to win the primary.
If it's Donald Trump, Donald Trump will be the worst thing in the history of humanity.
And if it's Ron DeSantis, Ron DeSantis will even be worse than Donald Trump.
And if it's Nikki Haley, a giant meteor is going to hit the earth and it's all going to be over.
Anyway, finally, we will see, I have no doubt, the laws and the judicial system used to essentially frame Donald Trump if he's the nominee.
And I would not be surprised to see the same thing against anybody who happens to beat Donald Trump in the nomination race.
So, you know, those are the kind of three pillars.
Exploit the judicial system, regime media, and try and change the election rules.
Yeah, so Kurt, they're going to do something.
It's going to be a launch seditious conspiracy, and we have to keep talking about it.
What is your reaction on the Bearham report then?
I mean, I'm bitter over the whole thing.
My whole tone this week has been a little bitter, I'll be honest, just because none of these people go to jail.
Our wonderful audience has been repeatedly emailing us, Kurt, at freedom at charliekirk.com.
Who cares?
Book report.
Why is no one in jail?
And meanwhile, we have to watch our team members, Kurt, go to jail.
Moms and dads, pro-life leaders.
They've indicted Bannon.
I mean, so it creates a sense of cynicism, understandable.
Is that unfounded, Kurt?
No, cynicism is the appropriate response to this.
We need to understand that this is not the same country we grew up with.
For those of us my age, it's not even the same country my kids grew up with.
This is a different country, a less free country, a country where the institutions have been captured by the left and they are running on residual respect and deference by normal people.
You know, I grew up watching Ephraim Zimbless Jr. in the FBI when they were chasing bank robbers and communists, you know, doing God's work.
And there's still 20 FBI shows apparently on free TV.
Apparently, there are people out there who still watch network TV, as bizarre as that seems.
And the people watching those shows really don't understand.
The FBI is a garbage organization whose corruption is only matched by its incompetence.
The institutions we used to believe in have completely betrayed our trust.
That's everything from the military to the judiciary to the freaking guys who make beer.
I don't want to misgender them, Charlie.
I don't want that kind of heat.
And to the sports companies, I mean, Adidas have dudes walking around.
And so, Kurt, you're touching on something really powerful.
And when I talk to the grassroots, the muscular class, the ordinary people, they just have confusion and anger.
They do not understand why the Marines have gone woke.
They don't get it.
And how do you best explain it?
I mean, when Miller Light also just comes out, did you see Ford's new commercial, by the way?
Ford's idea.
Ford's new commercial where they have rainbow pickup trucks and they're celebrating it.
It's as if they either don't care or they really care about these ideas and they hate us and they're so untouchable or they've been corrupted by HR departments.
And what am I, what are we missing here, Kurt?
Well, look, our ruling class, the Ivy League nitwits who do things like get marketing degrees and then get hired at Miller Light or Bud Light or Ford and have absolutely no connection to the actual audience, they are still running on residual respect.
I wrote about in town hall this morning.
That's a good term.
Yeah.
That's good.
Yeah, people still think things are normal, but that's not, it is unsustainable.
Eventually, people are going to wake up and go, why is my truck painted in a rainbow?
That's not what I'm about.
You know, I'm not an LGBT pound symbol hashtag Z. You know, that's not who I am, and I don't want it.
We're still at the point where we're in a glide path before normal people say, wait, stop.
You and I, we're saying stop already.
Look, your audience is base.
We all understand the essential corruption of our institutions.
They've been taken over by the left.
Normal people, the same kind of people who watch NCIS, Rancho, Kookamonga, they don't like politics.
They don't want to be part of politics.
But you know, politics is going to catch up with them.
And when it does, we're going to see a backlash.
We see it throughout history.
Just go back 50 years, you have Nixon's silent majority.
Go back to the 1980s, you see the movement that threw Jimmy Carter out.
Jimmy Carter is the only guy who's happy about this, Charlie, because, you know, he's finally not going to be the worst president of the last hundred years.
So, you know, Jimmy's got that going for him.
But we saw it at Tea Party.
We saw it in the Trump movement.
It is inevitable that normal people will push back.
And once that happens, I think we're going to see the institutions either collapse and new ones rise to take their place, or the institutions figure out, yeah, we better change or we're in trouble.
So that's very smart.
It's enemy occupation of these current cultural institutions.
And you're right.
I think there's another element to this, though, Kurt.
When I talk to normies and I show them all this, there's a resistance because it's almost as if they started to believe what we believe their life would get less comfortable.
That it's as if the, oh, no, everything's fine.
And let's just go drink Chardonnay at the local restaurant.
The denial is very comforting.
It's not as bad.
That Charlie Kirk guy and that Kurt Schlichter guy, they're always over-exaggerating stuff.
And I mean, come on, it's just fine.
And not to, I mean, just forgetting we just lived through three years of dystopian insanity, hell of the masks, the lockdowns, the vaccines, and nobody wants to remember it.
But I think that's part of it.
I think it's a temperamental issue too, Kurt, where people want, they find comfort in the denial.
Yes.
Look, it's human nature, Charlie, because if you accept that our institutions are run by a bunch of cultural communists who hate us, and if you put Dylan Mulvaney on a beer can, you hate beer drinkers.
All right.
You're telling them, screw you, I'm shoving this down your throat.
Okay.
This is the Mike Pence.
This is the whole basis of Mike Pence's soon-to-be humiliating campaign failure, which is if we shut our eyes real tight and pretend real hard, we can go back to 2005.
But you can't.
But it isn't going to happen.
And people are going to have to accept that.
Here's the problem.
And again, I wrote about in town hall, the normalcy bias.
If you accept that things have changed fundamentally for the worse, you are therefore required to do something.
And you look at a lot of, you look at a lot of our Republican politicians and a lot of the conservative guys, and it's like, well, I don't want to actually have to fight.
Look, yet, when you see somebody go, well, you know, this guy in the subway, we have to see how the judicial system works.
And if we question the judicial system, it'll all collapse.
Dude, it's rubble already.
Our job is to make the rubble bounce and then to clear the rubble and then to build a real one-tiered justice system on that ground.
Kurt, institutionalism is the current orthodoxy of the American elite.
And it has really turned into wishful thinking.
I mean, you see it with Lady Graham, right?
Lady Graham from South Carolina.
He comes out and he says, well, the FBI has told me they're sorry.
That's his response.
That they're sorry.
Oh, boy.
You know, they're sorry in every sense of the word.
Here's the thing.
A lot of these guys want to believe in institutions.
Just a few bad apples.
What they don't understand is the institutions have been taken over by people who stopped doing their job and started doing leftism.
It's like a cell and a virus.
Virus comes along, infests the cell, kills the cell, but uses the cell's machinery to pump out more virus.
That's what leftists do.
They take one institution, they turn it into a machine to pump out more leftism, and all the other institutions around it get infected.
None of this is a surprise if you understand how communists work, but it is unsustainable in the long term when people are aware of it and when they act.
And eventually they will act because I just don't see Americans going, well, you know, this experiment in freedom and liberty and civil rights and all that stuff.
It was fun while it lasted, but I'm going to sit down, watch, you know, FBI, the revenge on CBS at nine o'clock with a glass of Zima or bloodlight and just, you know, and enjoy being a serf.
I just don't see it.
Normalcy bias is a powerful way to summarize it, that it is the human condition.
It's that meme where it's just, it's all fine.
Everything is just fine.
It's all burning around you.
This is fine.
This is great.
The little dog with a coffee.
No, that's right.
No, let's get that one up there.
It's the ostrich with the head in its sand.
The country is largely the ostrich with the head in the sand because normalcy bias can keep you in denial and comfort.
I see it all the time amongst the normies.
And part of the awakening is get, hey, you're going to have to get a little uncomfortable.
You're going to have to recognize the Blitzkrieg is underway.
That's not Blitzkrieg.
That's a thunderstorm.
They're bombing London.
No, it's not.
Yes.
No, they're not.
Everything's fine.
St. Peters is on fire, but everything's great.
Oh, Piccadilly Square just exploded.
No, everything's good to go.
Cheerio.
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We're living in a country of normalcy bias where some people say, oh, there's nothing wrong with that.
We got to try to shake them awake.
You got to wonder when that breaking point happens.
So, Kurt, knowing what we know and being uncomfortable with the truth, which is the truth will set you free, but there's definitely some turbulence on the way.
How do we then go about waking up other people?
This is just a more philosophical question.
What is the most effective way?
Wait till it hits them.
Because you got to wonder, I mean, in California, the old joke is, well, you know, eventually they're going to wake up.
Yeah, it doesn't seem that way in LA.
It just doesn't.
It's just the same cycle of nonsense and garbage.
How do you then wake people up?
Well, you have to understand that there is no bottom for these leftists.
Look at Venezuela.
You had people actually breaking into the zoo to eat zebras because they had no meat.
And if you actually care about your people and you see them breaking into the zoos to eat zebras because they have no meat, you're going to say, maybe my socialist stuff doesn't work.
But that's not what socialists think.
Socialists are about one thing, power for the socialists.
So they are never going to come around.
It's normal people who are going to have to come around.
And look, I'm a student of history.
All right.
And things that can't go on do not go on.
Things are going to get worse and then people are going to push back.
We saw 25 years ago in New York City, a complete renaissance.
New York of the 70s and 80s, if you've seen Taxi Driver, that kind of sums it up.
It was an urban hellhole of foulness and violence and crime.
And a guy named Rudy Giuliani came in and cleaned it up.
And he came in because the people got sick of it.
And the most left-wing city on earth, or one of them, elected a moderate Republican who actually believed that criminals belong in jail.
And he cleaned up the city and it became a show place until people were able to get complacent again.
And they put in a bunch of communist mayors who let go to hell.
These are cycles, Charlie.
They will come around.
People can learn because we discuss things with them.
Smart people will learn from other people's experience.
Dumb people will learn from pain, but they will learn.
Sure hope that's right.
I think that unfortunately the pain needs to increase in the country because there has just been an unrestricted flow of pleasure for year after year.
And people are just so afraid of losing that, including the comfort in the denial.
So I want to re-emphasize one thing you said here, Kurt.
I mean, you've spent some time in the Republican Party.
You know, we're getting a lot of emails.
They said, well, Charlie, you're talking about the wargaming on the right.
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What is the plan for the RNC and the right?
Kurt, you and I both know there is no plan, right?
There's a bunch of people.
I have zero faith in Rona McDaniel.
Look, I commanded at the battalion level as an active brigade commander.
And one of the things you've got to do is make sure your people, A, know the plan, B, know there is a plan.
Guys will fight for you.
They'll fight hard, but they want to know you're doing your job as a leader, that you've got some idea of what's going on, that you're just not going to lead them into a wood chipper.
Rona, what's the plan?
Look, I was not, I wanted Rona out.
She lost five times in a row.
That was enough for me.
Other people disagreed.
Fine.
There was a fair election.
She won.
Great.
She's still making the same mistakes that she made before.
She needs to come out and say, guys, this is what we're doing.
I am telling you what we're doing and how we're doing it so that you can see that your donations aren't being squandered, your time's not being wasted when we ask you to knock on doors and make calls, and that I'm getting stuff ready for the fight we all know is coming.
That's what she needs to do as a leader.
Instead, she's, I don't know what the hell she's doing, going on TV, talking about policy.
I don't care about what Rona McDaniel thinks about policy, not even a little.
It's an administrative job.
What is she doing to set up a logistical foundation that we need to execute the operation that is the 2024 general election?
That's all I care about.
And one of the key facets is the legal battle.
What is the plan, Rona?
What's the plan?
We should have an avalanche of lawsuits in Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia.
And I'm telling you, I'm just going to keep on beating this.
We need to identify how they're going to do the 2024 equivalent of Crossfire Hurricane.
So let's just work our way backwards.
What is the Time magazine article they want to write in December of 2025?
The secret, you know, think about it.
And then let's try to lay out the elements so we can preempt their shenanigans.
Exactly.
We have to reverse-engineer their plan and then get in the way of it.
Instead, Kurt, 30 seconds, I had a donor call me.
He said, Well, Charlie, I think the key is having someone like Tim Scott.
Oh, come on.
It's not.
Tim Scott is a very nice guy.
Sweet person.
If I had to move, I would call him up and say, help me carry my couch.
I'd love him living next door because he'd take me to the airport at 4 a.m.
He would.
It's not time for a nice guy.
Okay.
I want a guy who is focused, calculating, and utterly ruthless about exercising legitimate power.
I just want to win.
That's right.
I want to win, and I'm sick of losing.
We're out of time.
Thanks so much, Kurt.
Excellent job today.
Thank you.
Thanks for having me.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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