When To Get Angry: My Appearance at Grace Woodlands Church
Is "tolerance" a Christian virtue? What is the Church's role in turning America around? Why do so many people get angrier at the people who publicize evil than that the evil exists (and is taught in schools) in the first place? Charlie weighed in on all that and more during his appearance at Grace Woodlands Church in Houston, Texas. Listen to his entire interview in this special ad-free episode.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Well, Charlie, welcome to Grace.
Thanks for being here tonight.
Thank you.
Beautiful church.
Honored to be here.
Thank you.
So we're going to jump right in.
And I just want to say that all of the questions I'm asking tonight are my questions.
Charlie or his organization hasn't given me any questions to go by.
And not many people would do that.
You're pretty brave.
I haven't even seen them.
That's exactly right.
So you will be hearing them when I hear them.
So extemporaneous.
Let's start with some buzzwords.
Let's start with the word woke.
You told a group of pastors to, quote, exorcise the woke demon from the American church.
Yes.
So I thought I'd start with something like.
Do you like that?
That's good.
So how do we define woke?
One way to define it that I like is call everything racist till you control it, which is a pretty good definition.
Also, woke is basically an affront to the natural law.
And so that which is woke is against the design of God, against the design of the natural order, against the logos, as John starts.
And woke typically can also be summarized as saying ideas so insane you need a doctorate to understand them.
Ideas that when a plumber or electrician hears them, who actually has to work in the natural world and the real world, they think that they're completely outrageous.
For example, woke would be believing in black only dormitories or that men can give birth.
This idea of woke, by the way, the idea that men give birth is now in our military and in our government.
It's everywhere.
And the ideas of the woke come from postmodernism and post-structuralism, but they're actually deeper than that, which is exactly why what we are doing at TPUSA Faith, I think, is so important.
This is the same exact spiritual struggle that we see laid out in the first 11 books of Genesis, the foundation of our existence.
This is how Satan plots and plans and deceives.
And he has launched a virus, literally, not the Fauci virus, the woke mind virus, to destroy the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.
Wokeism manifests itself in the religion of tolerance, in the religion of the cult of anti-racism, in the religion of earth worship, all of which are completely against Christianity, which built Western civilization the greatest project in self-government in human history.
And so, yes, it is morally incumbent on every pastor in America to extrocise, to excommunicate, is actually the term I like even better, the demons of the woke.
Evil should not be tolerated in the American church.
Well, CRT has invaded everything.
So, what would you say to that?
Yeah, I mean, it's widespread.
It's institutionalized.
The tumor has metastasized, and it's happened because good people have allowed evil to spread.
And we've allowed the cult of anti-racism to take over our schools.
Now, you might say, well, Charlie, I didn't allow it.
Okay, but I mean more generally.
I believe that the only way to stop evil is to stop evil, that it will not stop on its own momentum or its own volition.
It's going to require good people with courage and boldness to stand up against what seems to be an overwhelming force and to say stop.
And so that's why I say, you know, one of the fake religions that are replacing Christianity in America is the religion of tolerance.
I do not believe tolerance to be a Christian value.
I don't.
This is a fake teaching.
I believe you can have compassion.
You can have love.
I will not tolerate young people having their breasts removed and call it gender-affirming care.
That is evil.
I have no tolerance for evil.
And you shouldn't either.
And so CRT is just one of several of these ideologies that have come into our schools, come into our military, come into our institutions.
And it's not easily defeated, but it can be defeated.
And it goes against everything that is the promise of Western civilization, which is basically all thanks to our Christian inheritance.
Christian inheritance believes that everybody is made of the image of God.
Wokeism believes that you are an accident of Darwinian evolution.
The Christian inheritance of the West believes in natural rights.
The woke or the wokeys or the left postmodernists believe that you are part of a tribal group.
They're directly at odds with one another.
And so CRT has spread, and now it's time for us to remove the tumor.
You mentioned gender choice.
If when I was your age, if anyone in my generation, someone had mentioned gender choice, they would have looked at you like you'd lost your mind.
And yet here we are, it's invading our day.
What do you say to that?
Yeah, and that's also happened, I think, because we've allowed it to happen.
But let's examine the philosophical underpinnings that have even entertained the main argument that make the trans, the trans deal satiable, Which is that you get to determine your own values, morals.
And we actually see it laced into a lot of kind of the one-liners where we say, Well, who am I to judge?
Or live and let live or you know what's best for you.
Now, those things can generally be true when you're choosing food or diet choices or what sports team.
But post-1960s, there was a way overemphasis on the individual being elevated above the beautiful, the true, and the good, and the proven.
And basically, this hyper-individualism manifested, of course, in a very robust economy.
But also, we saw this in kind of what we call the hippie movement called 1960s liberalism, where it's, I am the most important thing in the world.
Don't tell me what to do with my own self.
And again, in some ways, that's very attractive, and it can be consistent with Western values to an extent, where all of a sudden it starts to fall apart, and where it gets very dangerous is all of a sudden when you start to shred the entire Christian basis of your existence, and then you have to rebuild your values in place of that.
And so, for example, you know, you look at some of these people that are wearing woman face, right?
These men that are appropriating womanhood, and they say, Well, this is who I really am.
That inside my feelings dictate this.
Now, traditionally, we would never allow somebody's own personal feelings or delusions to determine our own independent actions.
If somebody has an imaginary friend, they don't get an extra seat on an airplane, they're delusional.
We don't accommodate society because somebody is living in an imaginary world.
And there is a treatment protocol that should be given that can be compassionate and clear to get somebody back into alignment with biological reality.
There's a great quote by Saint Augustine, who I just love, Augustine of Hippo, where he said, Those who argue with reality live in hell.
And the entire trans movement is about reality doesn't define me.
I get to determine my own reality.
And we as Christians need to be the guardians of reality.
We're the ones, I cannot emphasize how all-encompassing the word logos is.
We kind of, it's interpreted as the word in John 1 in the beginning was the word, and the word was God, and the word became flesh.
But it really is logos.
It means cosmological order, it means purpose to existence.
It means that you are not here by mistake.
It means that there's a natural law, that there's a harmony, that you are not God.
The Greeks pondered over this word.
It actually came from Ephesus.
The first time that word was ever uttered was by a Greek philosopher who said, There is a logos, there is a harmony, there is something bigger than you.
And then, you know, the epistle of John, John says, not only is there a logos, but the logos came to be a human being to save you from your own broken nature.
Like, whoa, that's massive.
That the harmony of the cosmos, the divine, the beautiful, the once distant God came into the broken, fleshly form.
That's a concept that even human brains can't totally comprehend.
And that's one of the reasons why Christianity is true.
And so, what we have is these kind of incantations that are repeated that emphasize that you matter more than God.
And yes, you do matter, but you have a duty to the divine and a duty to an order.
And it's interesting because should we ever say that somebody is making a mistake when we know they're doing something wrong?
But sometimes we stop short and we say, oh, no, no, they know what's best for them.
That's silly, and I'll prove it to you.
That any doctor who would give liposuction to someone who's anorexic should lose their license.
They don't need liposuction, but they think they're fat.
But they're demanding a medical procedure to accommodate their mental delusion.
That's exactly the same thing that we're doing to a 12-year-old who thinks they're something they are not.
It's the doctor's role not to affirm their delusion.
Instead, it's their role to challenge their delusion and to get them back into reality.
Not to accommodate their fiction.
And so that takes courage and clarity of thought.
But if you believe in a moral construct where the individual is always right regardless of what reality dictates, that's how you get into moral chaos.
And let me just be very clear.
Sometimes, and we're going to do questions.
Some people say, well, Charlie, how does it impact you, somebody in their own home, who thinks that they are a man when they're really a woman?
No one is actually debating that.
You can have your own imaginary friend, your own delusions, your own private struggles with reality.
The real debate is why do you want me to reaccommodate society for your delusion?
Why do you want me to create a bathroom so that men can go to all of a sudden say, well, I think I'm something, therefore I should be able to be around women.
That is tyrannical in nature.
That is what we have to call the totalitarianism of the minority.
That somehow we must reconfigure a rather functional society that we used to have.
Because a bunch of people have mental problems.
I'm not making fun of the fact they have mental problems.
I hope they have help.
They're made in the image of God.
But you do not all of a sudden tell people that are generally highly functional, that are generally ordinary, that if you're a bunch of women, you have to compete against men because that man might somehow be at risk for self-harm if you don't reaccommodate their society.
That is against justice.
That is against the principles that we stand for as Christians.
So what about the cancel culture that when people start or think about standing up, they are silenced?
And that's really one of the main issues, right?
I mean, I experience part of it.
I mean, we're very, very blessed at Turning Point USA and on my podcast and radio program.
You mean you're so timid that the cancel.
Well, yeah, I'm very timid.
You know, I am always...
We've noticed that.
Yeah, I'm not controversial at all.
And I'll actually talk about that later, which I think if you want to be happy, speak your mind and do it boldly because you're never a prisoner to somebody else's thought tyranny.
And you'll just be a happier person, honestly.
A lot of depression in the conservative side, I believe, comes from having to police your own speech, which is policing your thoughts, which means you're not free.
So you're living in a labyrinth of the left.
And so just stop doing that, right?
Just say what you believe and tell people to stop.
I don't care what you believe, and you'll be out of the shackles of totalitarianism.
So do that.
But anyway, that's a separate issue.
The crux of what we're talking about here as far as cancel culture is twofold.
Actually, ties into what I just said.
The number one form of censorship in America is you shutting up you.
I admire Dennis Prager greatly.
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He's one of my heroes.
And he's a religious Jew who wrote probably the most powerful Old Testament commentary of this generation, the Rational Bible.
I encourage you guys to read it.
As a Christian, it will really deepen your faith and open your eyes to insights that I certainly wasn't taught in Bible school.
But one of the things he said when he visited the Soviet Union is that unlike any other country he visited, he's been to 168 countries.
When he was in the Soviet Union under Soviet control, you know, pre-wall falling, that whenever somebody recognized him as an American, they would always look over their shoulder to make sure they weren't being listened to before they talked to him.
Because they were very worried about what other people would say or other people would think, in fact, they're talking to an American.
That's exactly what the country we live in now today, isn't it?
How often are you afraid of wearing a shirt that might offend somebody?
And again, that is the tyranny of the radical minority, which is somehow I have to change my behavior because of your sensitivity.
But the problem is that it's not just that they're sensitive, it's also that they're willing to use power to crush you.
So you have sensitive people that have been told that they're victims and they become the victimizer.
And so these are people that are told they're oppressed and then they immediately are saying, okay, conservatives are Mussolini, which gives me an excuse to act like Mussolini.
And we've seen this manifest in cancel culture.
I don't love the term that I understand the essence of it.
It really is just outright tyranny, is that I'm going to use power to crush people that I disagree with.
The best way we can fight back against cancel culture, in my personal opinion, is kind of do what I said, which is I'm going to say whatever I believe.
I don't care if you fire me.
I don't care if you kick me out.
I'm going to wear what shirt I want to wear.
I'm going to wear what hat I want to wear.
And I'm going to be disagreeable at times.
And so what?
That's it.
I'm going to be respectful, but I'm going to be disagreeable for truth.
Sorry.
Like, I'm not going to put up with your nonsense.
And then the second thing is this, which is we have to create our own institutions that support our voices and our heroes.
And that's a deeper topic, but support places like Rumble, support places that actually platform voices that believe what we believe and see the world the way we do.
So the culture war, are we winning or we losing?
We're losing.
And we can't have hopium.
Hope and opium mixed together feels really good, but it's not good for you.
We're definitely losing on some fronts.
We're winning on some fronts.
I'm not going to say, you have to look at the battlefield more generally.
There's some fronts that I see a lot of promising development.
I see homeschooling doubling in the last couple of years.
That's really amazing.
And that's going to bear fruit.
Love our homeschoolers.
Love it.
I see 35 million Americans that refused despite threats, subsidies, outright extortion to take an mRNA gene-altering shot, 35 million people.
It's a big deal.
That shows that there's a remnant.
There's a remnant of liberty in this country.
But look, I'm also, I'm not going to lie to you.
I respect you too much.
You come here and spend your time on a weeknight to learn that they control the FBI.
They control the New York Times.
They control the government.
They control almost every tech company.
They control the corporations.
They control the college campuses.
They control Hollywood.
They control professional athletics.
I mean, they have captured every major institution, right?
The only thing they haven't captured is those 35 to 40 million liberty lovers that resist these awful ideas at every corner and every turn.
And that drives them crazy.
So here's the good news.
Despite the fact that they're currently winning, if the scoreboard were to show wokies versus patriots, wokies would definitely be up.
Plenty of time left on the scoreboard to save the republic, right?
But despite the fact that they're quote-unquote winning, they've never been unhappier, more paranoid, more unstable than they are now.
These people are, and I think it's a spiritual vacuum, obviously.
There's an emptiness, right?
They don't know the Lord.
They don't believe in God.
They don't believe in what we believe in.
So there's just a lot of unhappiness and lack of joy as a byproduct of that.
But their meaning comes from trying to crush you.
Their meaning comes from trying to make your life more difficult.
That's why they just kind of get so excited at even the prospect of indicting Donald Trump, that somehow, if we're able to indict Donald Trump, that my life is going to be somewhat better.
And that's a really sick existence, right?
That you're able to put a former president in handcuffs for the first time in American history, and that's going to make your day.
Like, that's really twisted.
I got to be honest, especially on just kind of invented, fabricated crimes, right?
It's just the whole thing is so silly.
But yeah, look, you have to be honest.
So, how do we win back the culture war?
Well, I think we're in the actual institution that the left has not completely taken over that can win this thing back.
If the American church stood boldly and courageously, we retake the lead in the culture war.
And if we're honest with ourselves, most American churches, most not all, you go to a great church here.
This is a fabulous church, by the way.
You guys should really be proud of this church.
Most American churches are filled with cowards.
They might be nice people.
They might be good people, but they might be cowards.
They're probably cowards.
And that's okay.
You can be a nice coward.
The cool thing about being a coward is you could change it immediately.
Does he have to go to university?
It just takes a choice to be courageous.
That's what's so beautiful about battlefield literature.
I love reading about this: you never know who in the platoon is going to end up being courageous.
I have never served, and I talked, you know, we have amazing veterans that serve on our security detail, and God bless our veterans.
And what I have gleaned over the years by asking them questions is that despite the machismo or all this, you never quite know who's going to be the courageous one when the bullets start firing.
And that it's an interesting thing, right?
It's a person you might least expect, sometimes you most expect.
But courage is a decision.
It's a choice.
It's a pattern of action.
And every single person can choose to be courageous tonight.
It is the highest of all the virtues, Aristotle believed, because without courage, there are no other virtues, right?
So, what is courage?
How do I define it?
Courage is doing the right thing regardless of the cost.
That is courage, okay?
Doing something moral, doing something good, doing something beautiful, regardless of the penalty that you might pay.
That is courage.
It's lacking in the country.
But look, in the culture war, what does the church have to do?
Cowardly pastors have to resign, and righteous, bold pastors have to be raised up to preach the word of God and to defend liberty in a time such as this.
So, since you brought that up, you did a clip on how to tell if you have a cowardly pastor.
Address that.
I hope you don't qualify.
No, I'm kidding.
Me too.
I'm interested here.
Yeah, no, okay.
Very simple.
Did your pastor mention or celebrate the reversal of Roe versus Wade?
And if the answer is no, you got a problem.
It's that simple.
50 years of prayer, fasting, tithing, activism of the Christian community to try to stop the slaughter of the unborn, and a pastor can't even mention it because they're afraid of offending somebody.
How about this?
Did your pastor close for more than a month, month and a half?
This church should not.
This church only closed a week and opened boldly and did a prayer ceremony for 12 days.
Does your pastor, when talking about political matters, all of a sudden start to change the octave of their tone?
Do they start to say, Now, everybody, I know this is really something, and they slow down.
Coward, get him out.
Does your pastor say this?
I only preach the gospel.
I don't do politics.
Coward, get him out.
And by the way, I'm not asking you to be political.
I'm asking you to be biblical because the Bible covers all of these issues.
Is your pastor mentioned at least once or twice the fact that thousands of kids are being preyed on by these pediatric gender reassignment reaffirming clinics?
If not, got to find a new pastor.
It's one of the great threats to biological reality in our time.
And most pastors will not say a thing about how God's design is being slaughtered by these secular humanists every single day.
Won't say a thing.
I could go on, by the way.
But the final thing is this.
Does your pastor not only encourage you to vote, tell you it's a biblical mandate to vote, but tell you that you must vote in harmony with biblical principles of three major things.
That the church should never be deemed non-essential again.
That life begins at conception and God created man and woman.
If your pastor does not do that, you got to find a new pastor or find a new church.
Did you pass the test, Pastor?
I think so.
Well, let me tell you this.
You kind of get a little bit of a pass.
You're having Charlie Kirk and TPSA Faith at your church.
So you're at a pretty high level here in my book.
So most pastors wouldn't even, I'll just tell you a true story.
A church in Arizona, I really want to say the name, but I won't because we're trying to remedy this.
But we have this amazing program all set.
We're going to bless them with free of charge men's summit.
We have an amazing men's summit that we do, by the way, where we change men's lives.
We're raising up biblical, strong men in the tradition of, you know, Joshua and Moses and Daniel.
And we have this whole thing set.
And the church comes back and they say we have to back out because Turning Point USA and Charlie Kirk are too controversial.
And we had this whole thing planned and we told them to go to heaven.
And, you know, so and there were other words said too, but that was it.
And so God bless you for having us.
It means a lot because most churches wouldn't even think about it.
You mentioned Roe v. Wade.
Talk about the importance and impact of abolishing that.
Oh, I mean, it's huge.
I mean, here in Texas, you guys have really, we have the Texas Right to Life group here somewhere.
They've done a fabulous job.
I saw them.
I don't know if he's still here, but they deserve to be applauded.
They're doing a great job.
So let's talk about it.
Genesis 1.26 and 127.
Not only is it an Old Testament proof of the Trinity because it says, let us in the Hebrew, which is obviously the Trinity.
It's not God talking to the angels or God talking to the animals.
It's the Trinity talking.
So anyway, that's a separate issue.
But let us make man in our image.
And so therefore, we are image bearers of the divine.
That is such an unbelievably different philosophical and moral argument than anything you will hear at a secular university.
And so it's a very basic thing.
This is why it drives me nuts when pastors say, well, I'm not political.
You don't know anything.
Okay?
First of all, what is politics?
What is a human being?
How do you appropriate power?
All politics is, is to decide who gets power and when and how.
That's all politics is.
It's really simple, right?
We kind of messy it up with Republican and Democrat and all this.
Politics is community.
So instead of saying politics, ask your pastor, do you talk about community?
Oh, yeah, I love community.
Okay.
Then who gets power in our community?
How should we determine who gets power in our community?
That's all politics is.
Politics is the business of the city, literally, if you go back to the Greek.
Anyway, so the question of what is a human being is a question that the Greeks wrestled with, and Aristotle was so close, and he really inspired Thomas Aquinas in so many ways.
But Aristotle argued without even reading the Old Testament scriptures that we know of, he said that we are the speaking beings.
We're the ones with the logos, rational speech, the ability to reason.
And he was right about that.
But the scriptures are even more clear that we are made in the image of God.
And therefore, if we're made in the image of God, we're able to speak and create, which is exactly right, because 25 verses previous, we learned that creation comes through speech, right?
God spoke it into existence, God spoke it into existence, God spoke it into existence.
No animal or beast of the earth is able to do that except human beings.
We are the highest of all the beasts, as the Greeks would say.
The Bible would say it differently.
You're made in the image of God.
Therefore, you have a soul.
Therefore, you have a date with eternity.
Therefore, you're more than a random combination of cells.
You're not an accident.
You're intentional.
It's a big difference.
If you believe that human beings are an accident, a random combustion of cells that come together, then why not crush the ones you don't want?
Now, what's the argument?
It's the same argument that every secular totalitarian used in the last 100 years.
I believe that I don't like these people.
I don't think there's anything exceptional about them, anything special about them.
I'm going to crush them because all I care about is power.
What the Bible argues, not just the Old Testament, the whole Bible argues, is something so different, that it's an image-bearer made with a direct purpose, and God is four things.
Okay?
God is many things.
The best way I could describe God in a way that really pushes back against pagan polytheism.
Because people say, well, Charlie, how would you describe God?
Describe God.
It's like, boy, that's a big question.
So here's the best way I could do it.
God is above nature.
God is personal.
God is holy.
And God is personal.
God is personal.
God is holy.
God is above nature.
And boy, there's one more.
I'll think about it in a second.
And God is moral.
That's right.
God is moral.
God is personal.
God is holy.
And God is above nature, right?
Personal is a big deal.
That God yearns to have a personal and intimate relationship with each and every one of you.
He wants you to come on home, right?
And so if you are massacring a million of your fellow countrymen every single year, you are terminating a million image bearers.
That's a million souls.
That's not a million accidents of Darwinian evolution.
That's not a million rolls of the dice.
That's a million souls that all of a sudden you believe you're more important than, that my convenience matters more than.
That is you playing God, which is exactly why the people that support abortion also support the trans thing.
It is directly consistent.
The same sort of moral darkness, the same sort of moral brokenness that pushes people to say it's okay to crush a baby in the womb think it's okay to exert their will to try to change a man into a woman.
It's just war on God's natural design by different means.
The society that allows you to crush the infant in the womb because it's small or an inconvenience thinks it's perfectly fine to give hormone blockers to an 11-year-old or a 12-year-old.
And so, look, it's the great question of our time, which is, are we willing to use courageous and bold action, politics, community, government, to say that the least of these that Jesus commanded us to protect and say, hands are off limits, you're not a touch, are they willing and deserving of our protection?
And the reversal of Roe versus Wade was the great moral advancement of our time.
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Praise God.
Thanks to Christians and churches that actually did something about it.
The problem and the issue, based on a non-scientific survey that we did amongst our radio audience, is 90 to 95% of pastors and churches were too cowardly to mention it or celebrate it.
What should have happened should have been weeks or months long of fasting and prayer, thanking God, Jehovah, Adana, that we were able to repeal the horror of Roe versus Wade, and babies and image bearers are now going to be able to breathe.
Instead, the American church rolled their eyes, shrugged their shoulders, and said, I don't want to offend the suburban wine mom that comes because she might have had an abortion when she was young, and my tithes and offerings might go down and I can't have bigger buildings and I can't have bigger budgets and I can't have my latte bar in the lobby.
Therefore, I'm not going to mention it.
Yeah, it was amazing here on that Sunday morning.
I didn't even get the whole announcement out and the place erupted.
Praise God for your courage, Frank.
I mean that.
You deserve credit for that.
You should be applauded for that.
That's a big deal.
It is the victory of our lifetime.
And it took prayer and it took multi-generational thinking.
And I'm going to say something that some of you won't like, but I want you to pray on it, okay?
The people that gave us that Supreme Court decision were Catholic.
And I know there's a lot of anti-Catholic beliefs out there, but there's something that we as evangelicals can learn from Catholics.
I am not Catholic, okay?
My mom was raised Catholic.
My grandma was one of the most devout Catholics.
She loved the Lord, and she accepted Jesus as her Lord and Savior.
And I believe she's in heaven.
I believe that firmly.
However, I do not believe in a lot of, obviously, Catholic theology.
I'm not a Catholic.
But you know what the Catholics did 40 or 50 years ago?
They built for the future.
They built Catholic schools and they poured into their young.
And guess what?
Praise God they did that because now you have Clarence Thomas and you had Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett who gave you that decision.
You think about it, that's actually a really interesting thing.
Why is it that we, I think Gorsuch might be Protestant.
How is it possible that the Christians on the Supreme Court are all Catholic?
And you got to give the Catholic Church credit for all their problems and all their issues.
They believed in multi-generational education and they did a good job.
And I think we need to take a page from that book and learn that that can be a moral good for society.
Let's turn to tragedy for just a second.
The latest school shooting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not easy to talk about.
I did a whole radio program on it today.
Obviously a tragedy and totally horrific.
The media is very quick to talk about guns.
We could talk about guns if you guys want.
But the New York Times is more worried about gendering the killer.
The New York Times came out today and issued an apology saying that we previously gendered the killer as a female and the killer wanted to be a man.
And so we apologize.
That's sick.
That's evil.
You got six dead people, three dead kids, three dead adults, and they're yearning over gender pronouns.
Look, there's a disturbing trend of shooters, Aberdeen, Colorado Springs, and others, that are kind of in that mental delusion of being trans.
That is something I'm unfortunately, I don't see any pattern of slowing down.
There's a call on April 1st for, quote, a trans day of vengeance.
Trending on Twitter last week was the alphabet mafia, the trans people, going on Twitter with imagery that said trans equality, five pictures of guns, dot, dot, dot, or else, which is a threat.
Was yesterday the or else?
I don't know.
We'll find out.
The manifesto has been scooped up by the FBI.
Was this a targeted hate crime against Christians?
Probably.
Probably.
Yeah.
The media won't mention that, so they're going to move on very quickly.
The same way that the Kenosha Christmas parade was a targeted hate crime against Christians, and no one talks about that or thinks about that.
And so it's a tragedy.
It's horrific.
Of course, guns aren't the problem here, and we could talk about that at great length, and they're going to use it as an excuse.
But will we actually have a serious conversation?
The answer is, of course, no, about whether or not making people with a mental delusion and a mental illness believe that there is a quote-unquote trans genocide might turn them to erratic and violent behavior, because it's exactly what's happening.
And I'll give you a true example of this.
I lived through this two or three weeks ago.
Many of you probably saw, maybe you didn't, my mostly peaceful campus event at University of California, Davis.
Did you guys see it or not?
It's in some ways not worth getting into all the details.
There is one detail that is worthy, though, of talking about.
A trans person activist tweets out that I support the lynching of trans people.
That's a lie.
It's against my beliefs.
I do not support it.
We're going to sue them for it.
The whole thing is totally messed up, right?
But it's an internet rumor.
It gets seen by 6 million people.
But Sacramento Bee picks it up, and then the head of the school picks it up.
They repeat it: violent mob comes with weapons, assault police officers.
But that's the same kind of playbook that we're seeing play out macro, which they just make this stuff up, and they don't care about the violence that then ensues.
And so there is a repeated mantra and a narrative that they say it's a trans genocide, it's a transgenocide.
And you have these people that are very unstable that are on testosterone replacement therapy that believe it, and then they commit these mass shootings.
That's a serious problem, everybody.
And the media will not touch this with a 10-foot poll.
And I'm sorry, if you guys blame every mentally deranged shooter who also said they were a Christian for Christianity, I now have a total license to ask the question of whether or not this even entertaining of this trans delusion is creating unnecessary violence in dead children.
And I'm not going to back down from asking that question: does giving testosterone to children make them erratic?
Does it make them more violent?
Does it make them more aggressive?
Does giving serotonin disruptors, SSRIs, make people more mentally unstable?
Does giving people benzodiazepans or Zoloft or Prozac, is that a good idea to somebody that also exhibits these mental issues and these mental conditions?
Final thing I'll say with this: I do not understand for the life of me.
I personally have a daughter now, praise God, she will never go to a school that does not have multiple armed guards and a single point of entry.
Period.
I'm not telling you how to raise your kids.
I don't know how you do it, parents, if you send your kid to somebody that does not have, and you say, oh, you want your kid to go to a place that has an armed guard, the fortification of America?
You want your money guarded by people with no guns?
So your money can have armed guards.
Your airlines can have armed guards.
You go to George Bush, you got armed guards everywhere, but our children don't have armed guards.
I don't get it.
I don't understand it.
It's not going to happen through legislation because our politicians are weak.
I'm just asking you, for any of you that are on boards of schools, you have to demand immediately single point of entry, armed guards.
If our money deserves armed guards, our kids deserve armed guards in America.
So we're seeing news reports all over the country of parents who have had it with local school boards.
They're standing up, pushing back, running for office.
Speak to that.
This is one of the beautiful things in the culture war because I know I painted a rather bleak picture.
It's not all bad.
I said we're losing that that we've lost.
Okay, I want you to be very clear.
Those are two distinct things.
One of the most promising things happening in America is moms and dads rising up in the parents' party to challenge what's happening in local school boards.
And for those of you out there that are doing this, God bless you, what you are doing is bold and moral and important and courageous and needs to continue.
And we're really seeing the separation of the perverts party and the parents' party.
These people are outright groomers.
What they have in our schools, they are pushing outright pornography on these kids.
Go and read the books yourself.
It is graphic.
You know, it's so interesting.
I really am so blessed.
I love my day job because I have a human laboratory of millions of people throughout a month to be able to see how people act.
Our podcast, our radio show, we're on Real America's Voice every day.
If you guys ever want to watch us, we have a lot of fun.
I'm sure some of you guys watch it.
And so I start reading some of the pornographic stuff that is in these schools.
And I start putting it up on the live stream with an explicit warning, this is bad.
And I'm getting emails from listeners saying how offended they are that I'm airing it on my program.
And I got really mad because I said, why aren't you mad that kids are being exposed to this in your local school board?
They're emailing me.
How dare you play?
You know, you read about how they're training nine-year-olds to have oral sex, which is a real thing, by the way.
Like, how dare you air that?
Look, I don't enjoy putting that on my program.
But maybe you should direct, I don't know, the righteous indignation at the school board that is putting that into curriculum at your local school.
Not the radio host that is exposing it.
Hello?
And so they say, well, Charlie, you can't engage in the profanity.
I'm not.
If you are getting angry at me, then why would you not get motivated to protect a child and their innocence?
Anyway, it's really, it's a stunning thing.
I haven't quite figured out the human psychology behind that.
Any theories you have of somebody who's willing to send an angrily worded email to the radio host for exposing it, but not willing to go to the school board that is protecting and defending it.
I am open.
I am all ears to where that sort of strange moral universe comes from.
But it is good and it needs to accelerate.
We have to kick the groomers off these school boards.
Any teacher that preys on children sexually must be fired.
And we must be relentless.
They're going after our kids.
This is not an isolated social contagion.
And so a couple things.
The micro and the macro.
I am going to homeschool our daughter for as long as we can.
Okay?
If we ever send our daughter to private school, they will have armed guards, will be classically trained, all that stuff.
But if you're not able to homeschool or send a private school or public school, I totally understand that.
Not everybody has the financial ability to do it.
I totally get it.
I still believe, though, that the public schools should not be forgotten.
I do not believe the public schools should just be abandoned.
I believe that you must still show up at the school boards, even if you've never sent a kid to that school district.
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I still think that if you're a taxpayer, you as a citizen have a moral right, an obligation to care about your fellow countrymen that is being indoctrinated in a government school right down the road, regardless of what you do with your kid.
However, the ideal is your own personal kid that you are a steward of, that you are a custodian of, I would get them the heck out of government schools and homeschool them if you can.
In the micro.
In the macro, do everything you can to try to change these schools.
For other people's kids, maybe your kid, because what's happening there is pure wicked.
So what's the role of the church if the nation is to be turned around?
That's a great question.
I love how simple and wise your questions are.
Sometimes I do these events and it's these long, elaborate things, and it's very, very powerful.
We have to go back to the scriptures.
I get a lot of objections, and it's so funny.
They never want to debate me in person.
It's always kind of like these op-eds they write, and they just run to the...
So someone says, Charlie, nowhere in the Bible does it say to get involved in politics, which is, I don't know what Bible they're reading.
It's like an Andy Stanley Bible where they only read where he says, I don't do the Old Testament.
It's a true quote.
Andy Stanley, who calls himself a pastor.
I'm sorry if I'm bothering you, but I have to go into this.
So, okay, good.
Andy Stanley, who calls himself a pastor, says that you guys get the exact quote.
I never want to be imprecise, but he says, Christianity is more than the complexity of 66 books.
It's about the testimony of Jesus of Nazareth, which of course is somewhat true.
But then if the Old Testament didn't matter, then why did Jesus quote Deuteronomy more than any other book?
So to understand Jesus, you should probably understand Deuteronomy.
Anyway, that's probably way too complex for Andy Stanley, who hasn't said anything insightful or wise in a couple decades.
So anyway, the people like him who are intellectual midgets and cowards say that we've got to stay out of politics, got to stay out of the culture war and all this.
So I have to wonder, I say, wait a second, what do you do with Esther, Nehemiah, Jeremiah?
What do you have to do with Daniel?
What do you have to do with Old Testament and New Testament characters as well, mostly Old Testament, that were counselors to the king for God's purpose?
That God called us to counsel the king towards virtue.
Were they wrong?
Were they incorrect to actually contest for righteousness?
Were they making a mistake when they were trying to influence the king for the good?
Should we remove them from the scriptures?
What is the argument for that?
And so what is the role of the church?
We have to reassert what the founding fathers believed was what was going to preserve liberty in America, which was an act of church.
And James Madison, John Adams, wrote routinely that liberty is only as good as the people who believe in it.
But the backstop was that they thought as long as the church was robust and was clear in biblical teaching, then people could then have self-government.
They believed the church was the fail-safe.
And when the church stops being that, then the whole civilization starts falling apart.
What is the role of the church?
Let's become counselor to the king again.
Let's lean in.
Let's call good from evil.
Let's do Psalm 97, 10.
If you love God, you must hate evil.
And so, and then finally, we must run for political office.
We must influence our political leaders.
We must contest for righteousness.
And the church must be in an active posture in this way, must be calling out all these different things that are happening in society, exposing the deeds of darkness as it tells us to do in Ephesians 5.
And kind of one final point.
What is the role of the church?
The role of the church must understand that the entire civilization, the greatest civilization ever to exist, which is Western society, will fall apart if we remain cowardly, complicit, and we remain in a position of just neutrality.
We must get into an active attitude, active posture.
And this church is one of the ones that are doing it.
What does that look like?
Take a page from Billy Graham.
Billy Graham called Marxism Satan's religion.
How many pastors today are willing to say that?
Well, I don't want to offend anybody.
If you don't want to offend anybody, you're in the wrong line of business because when you talk about eternal matters, I don't know, Luke 15.
I did not come here to unite but divide.
Not exactly John Lennon post-1960s, live and let live, rolling hills, kumbaya Christianity.
Look, I believe we should love all people.
I believe God loves all people.
I also believe that not all people are going to heaven.
That's a harsh but true teaching.
And so if you don't want to offend somebody, go do something, go sell cars or something.
I don't know.
Well, actually, that actually might offend somebody.
I don't know.
We have some great people that own car dealerships here.
I don't know if that offends anybody.
What you're really telling me is that you're not cut to lead the ministry, and that's okay.
So I think we have to have a purging of the American ministry.
I really do.
That the cowards have got to go.
New bold, courageous teachers have to rise, and that we have to act against evil for righteousness.
So I've lived long enough to have lived through much of the open racial conflict in our nation, and I'm shocked at the seeming focus back on attempting to divide the nation by race.
That's correct.
It's Satan.
The country I grew up in no longer exists, sadly.
I went to a high school in the suburbs of Chicago that was 53% Hispanic.
There was over 60 countries represented.
I was actually a racial minority as a white individual, and no one cared about race.
No one talked about it.
No one commented on it.
It meant nothing growing up.
up.
Nothing.
It was a beautiful country to grow up and it was a great community.
The community is now dead.
CRT has infested that school, Wheeling High School District 214, CRT, white privilege seminars, racial reconciliation.
All they talk about is race all day long.
We have Robin D'Angelo who wrote White Fragility who said, quote, last week, it's time for blacks to separate themselves from white people.
At Grand Valley State University, Columbia University, and many others, they have black-only graduation ceremonies where white people are not allowed.
At hundreds of universities across the country, they have black-only dormitories where white people are not allowed.
This is not just an idea.
This is now policy, okay?
I hope you understand that.
This is not just a bunch of bad ideas because I get that objectional, Charlie.
This is a bunch of academic fervor.
No, no, this is now actually how we're configuring society.
You understand that, right?
We are inches away from white bathroom, black bathroom, like really close.
And this is an interesting, and the whole canon of the word of God speaks to this.
But let's talk about, let's talk about in the book of Exodus in particular, once God delivers his people from tyranny.
He has to continually command his people to love the stranger.
He has to continually say to love somebody who's different than you.
Why?
Because it doesn't come easily.
Tribalism is the norm.
God was telling the Hebrews repeatedly, the people of Israel, that yes, I'm speaking to you and through you, but you're not the only ones on this earth.
And you've got to expand beyond.
You've got to love all people.
You got to love people that look different than you, that think different than you, that speak differently than you.
And Paul said it beautifully.
It doesn't matter your race, your creed, never slave, nor Greek, nor Jew, but you're all one in Christ Jesus.
That is an argument for human equality more beautiful than anything I've heard anything come out of the university in the last hundred years.
But they don't believe in human equality.
And this is controversial to say, but I say it because it's important.
And you guys come here to hear me tell you things that other people don't say.
A lot of this is rooted in anti-whiteness.
And I don't delight in saying that, but there is a bitter hatred of white people in this country that is manifesting itself in a very serious and pernicious way.
This is not about racial harmony.
This is not about trying to wound, you know, put up racial wounds.
There is a group, not everybody, of academics that call for the outright abolition of white people and saying that whiteness and white culture is what's wrong with it.
I don't even acknowledge white culture.
I don't even know what that means, but they're the ones that are using bigoted phrases and terminology against another racial group to what I believe.
I think they're trying to start a race war in this country.
And number one, we shouldn't take the bait, but this is why I get so angry at pastors because they have no idea the satanic influences behind these ideas.
They have no clue when they even toy with this wokeism and this postmodernism and dividing people by race.
They don't know Jacques Derrida from Michelle Foucault to Gene Stefanik to Derek Bell.
They don't know any of these post-act.
They don't know any of these thinkers.
They have not read intradocritical race theory.
They have not read One Dimensional Man, but they did see a BLM Instagram post and they thought they were a cool, skinny gene-wearing pastor and they wanted to win over their millennial congregants who were half drunk hungover anyway from the night before.
Like, I'm really cool because I believe black lives matter.
Okay, Judas Smith.
Like, you should resign.
You're an intellectual and moral coward.
And, oh, am I not allowed to say that?
Levi Lusko, Judas Smith, all these people should resign.
Rick Warren, they're all a waste of time.
And you might say, oh, Charlie, you're not allowed to say that.
I'm sorry.
I don't play by the rules that you guys play by.
I don't like evil.
And when a pastor embraces evil, I'm going to call it out.
Okay?
So anyway, the essence of this is that the race thing is the ticking time bomb.
I went through the five fake religions yesterday at Texas Christian University, earth worship, the religion of power, the religion of tolerance, scientism.
But the one that bothers me the most, the one that is the ticking time bomb, the one that could set off like a match, is the return to tribalism.
It is an affront to every commandment of the Bible.
God wants his people to live in harmony.
He does not look at people based on race, does not look at people based on tribe.
And it is the religion of anti-racism, the cult of diversity.
And it is so dangerous.
And I could tell you why it's dangerous.
Because the people pushing it the most are not black and they're not Hispanic.
They're angry, secular white liberals that are looking for meaning.
These are self-hating people that are pushing the religion of anti-racism.
There are a few apparatchic, you know, kind of black academics.
But guess what?
The majority of black people think this is crazy.
The majority of black and Hispanic people actually don't hate white people.
But the majority of upper middle-class white liberals hate themselves.
And they do not believe in God.
And they believe in a secular, pagan, polytheistic replacement religion that requires you to atone for something you never did, but you look like somebody that did something bad 150 years ago.
That is outright evil, period.
And we as Christians must stand against it.
Just two more things.
The first one is you've talked about the nature of the conflict as being spiritual.
Sir.
I do believe there's an invisible war brewing all around us.
I think everything we see manifests in the physical has spiritual elements.
I don't profess to be an expert in that, but I will cite our Lord and Savior.
I'll cite Paul the Apostle, and I'll cite C.S. Lewis.
Jesus Christ himself called Satan the prince of this world.
Paul called Satan the God of this world.
C.S. Lewis said, all of us are on enemy-occupied territory, and we must launch a sabotage campaign against the enemy.
I just love that.
C.S. Lewis is so, he was so great, wasn't he?
Oh, he was so special.
Every child in America, I believe, has a moral right to learn C.S. Lewis in a proper environment.
It would create a better world.
I really believe that.
Anyway, that's a separate issue.
But yes, so we're living in a dominion that is currently, quote unquote, controlled by Lucifer, right?
God will retake his throne.
Jesus is coming back.
I don't know when.
Don't ask me that question in the Q ⁇ A because I don't know when.
The time and the hour is unknown.
And I think if you use the promise of Christ's return as an excuse for inaction, you're reading it wrong.
And I think that's biblically incorrect.
We could talk about that.
Do not allow your eschatology to be an excuse to not act.
But it's a spiritual war.
And therefore, we must understand spiritual elements of how Satan gets footholds or strongholds on people.
In particular, sexual sin is a proven biblical theological gateway, which I believe we see the widespread degeneracy of sexual sin in our country.
I believe false prophets and false teachers is another way that Satan is able to get strongholds in people's lives and footholds into these kind of vectors, if you will.
And finally, I believe that if Satan can't control you to do what he wants you to do, he'll at least get you to not do the right thing.
And I don't know the answer to this, and I'm fully open.
You guys can email me anytime.
I read every single email.
What is more dangerous for society?
People that worship Satan or people that don't believe Satan exists?
I do not know the answer to that.
And I really don't think it's clear because both are really bad.
Because you see Hollywood outright worship Satan and put him out, and then you have academics that say there is no Satan, therefore there is no hell, and there is no cost to my evil.
So that's an interesting question.
You guys can tell me your thoughts in QA or whenever, but both are at play right now.
But this is a spiritual war.
Why does that matter?
Because it's not flesh and blood that we struggle against.
And it should give you comfort just to be able to close your eyes and say, yes, my moral action is required, but why?
It's required out of obedience and worship because the battle is already won.
The why is critical.
It is not up to you to win the battle.
You do it out of obedience to the divine because the battle has already been won by Jesus Christ who won the spiritual battle for you.
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So let's finish this part of the evening with this.
You said, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.
Speak to that.
So everyone's going to have a date with eternity.
I know I'm going to heaven, and that gives me great comfort.
I believe Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.
I believe God's word is true.
It pains me when we do all sorts of different types of events and people don't get to hear about the gospel.
The gospel is a rescue mission.
It's a rescue mission of the divine, the logos that took on a rather very broken form because he loves you and he wants you to be in eternity.
That should move you because there's no other religion, no other concept, no other worldview where God came to you.
Everything else requires you to go to God.
The gospel in four words is Jesus took my place.
The gospel in three words is him for me.
The gospel in two words is substitutionary atonement.
The gospel in one word is grace.
Name of this church.
What is grace?
Well, first, what is justice?
And what is mercy?
Then we'll get to grace.
Justice is giving every man what he is owed.
You get what you deserve.
We all deserve hell.
We're all sinners.
We don't deserve heaven.
Mercy is getting less of what you deserve, a reduced prison sentence.
You come in, you get your sentence, and the judge says, ah, you get less of what you deserve.
I'll be merciful.
Grace is something completely different.
Grace is here at your sentencing hearing.
They said, here's the 555 million things you did wrong in your lifetime, and you deserve eternal damnation.
And you bow your head in disgrace, guilt, and out of nowhere, somebody comes in and says, you know what?
I know him.
I know her.
I'll serve that prison sentence for him so they can live free.
Grace is something completely different.
Grace is not a reduced prison sentence.
Grace is the divine going into the prison cell for you so that you can live with liberty.
The promise of Christianity, the promise of Christianity is very simple.
That you're made with a purpose, that this universe is not a mistake.
It has a logos, it has a harmony, it has a rhythm, it has an end point.
But eternity does not.
It is the alpha, the omega, the beginning, and the end.
And so every single one of us are going to have to hold account for our actions.
Those of us that know Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior, that have experienced Jesus, we know that we're going to get a ticket into eternity.
I encourage you to accept that invitation tonight.
And just in just a couple of seconds, for someone who might be saying, how would I do that?
There's something called the sinner's prayer.
I'm not a pastor, and so you could lead them through it, but it's very simple.
You acknowledge there is a God and you are not him.
It's the first step.
By the way, that's just a good way to live your life.
You do those two things, you'll be a happier person.
Every day you should say, there is a God, and I am not him.
It's a good way to start your day.
It is.
And you say, I believe the scriptures are true, and that Jesus Christ was more than a man, but God incarnate.
That he lived a perfect life, died an unjust death, and rose from the dead to conquer death so I could live forever.
God, I believe this.
Jesus Christ is now the chairman of the board of my life.
He's my personal savior, and I want to be born new into the kingdom of heaven.
You say those words and mean it and believe it.
You're a Christian.
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Congratulations.
So let's thank Charlie for this part of the evening, and we're going to move into QA.
Yes.
So we'll start lining up.
Is that okay?
I'm not a pastor.
Yeah, okay.
Thank you, everybody.
Thank you.
That's very kind.
Thank you.
Not my strong suit.
Thank you.
All right.
We'll start lining up for some questions.
I'm going to stay for as long as my team lets me, 25, 30 minutes.
I'm going to ask something.
They'll please make them short, quick questions.
I don't need to hear your interpretation of the Hegelian dialectic.
If you're running for dog catcher, that's terrific.
I'm going to encourage you to get to the questions so we get to as many questions as possible.
Cool?
Great.
Okay.
We'll get to the first question.
All right.
Not a statement with a question mark.
Okay.
Great.
We'll start right here.
Hi.
So a lot of women say about the abortion topic that men don't have an opinion and that they can't say anything about it since they don't have a uterus.
But I was, I don't agree with that, but I was also wondering your opinion on that.
Yes, that's a great question.
It's a silly point because the baby is actually half the man's, and we need to remember that, even from just regular property contract law, right?
Half sperm, half egg, right?
It's kind of we've so somehow the man has kind of been lost in that.
He's a co-owner, if you will, like a co-investor.
Doesn't exactly hold up in court, but it should if you think about it, right?
It's completely irrelevant.
It's an argument from authority.
Either something is true or it is not.
You are allowed to comment on any topic, any matter, regardless of your age, regardless of your sex.
Things are true or they are not true.
This is like somebody saying, well, you're not allowed to talk about racial matters because you're not black.
No, no, it's completely irrelevant.
It's irrelevant when you're racist.
Is it true or is it not true?
If all of a sudden we're only allowing certain people to speak based on how they look or based on their chromosomes, then we're entering into a very strange politically correct tyrannical moment where certain people are invalidated from expressing rather nuanced or true opinions based on things they can't change.
And that's a really bad idea.
And so anybody can comment on any topic at any time, regardless of how you look or your chromosomal makeup.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
With the recently released Jesus Revolution movie, we saw the challenge that the church faced with addressing people that came into the church that was not in the same culture.
As we're expecting God to bring revival again and expecting many people to come into the church that don't fit or conform to the way we see them, can you give us ideas of how we can love them and yet challenge the beliefs and the mindset that they have to bring them to Christ?
That's a great question.
So Jesus Revolution is a great film.
I encourage you to see it.
It includes Chuck Smith, who started Calvary Chapel out in California.
I'm very close with a lot of Calvary guys.
I think the world of them.
Chuck taught the Bible verse by verse, chapter by chapter, believe in the inerrancy of scripture.
So that's a great question.
The number one piece of feedback I receive from young people as to why they're not Christians is to say Christians are too judgmental.
And I find that to be a very unpersuasive thing.
I mean, God is judgmental, okay?
So let's just put it that way.
I mean, I have a very contrarian view where I think for every time we have a billboard that said God loves you, we should have one that says God judges you.
But I just, I don't think that exactly would pass the sales pitch committee.
By the way, he judges you because he loves you.
And that's the point.
They're not opposites.
They're not a conflict.
Parents know this, right?
You judge that which you correct to come into alignment with the best and proper way to live, right?
Anyway, we could talk into that deeper.
So you have to be compassionate.
I would listen more than you would talk, right?
But I would never compromise on truth.
And it's okay not to say something, even if you hear something that you find to be objectionable.
Let me give you an example, okay?
Let's pretend at this church, someone comes in and they're really seeking Jesus and they say, look, I engage in homosexual behavior.
Sometimes your silence can actually be the greatest comment.
You don't have to say something.
You can just say, well, I'm really glad you're here.
God bless you.
You don't have to say anything about Leviticus.
One man should not lay with another man.
Probably wouldn't lead with that, right?
But sometimes the silence can be, you know, never compromise on truth.
I'm really big on this because I debate these Christians all the time.
They say, Charlie, we're going to turn people away unless we make ourselves more attractive.
And I say, okay, let's just test that hypothesis.
The church has been doing nothing more, has been doing almost nothing but diluting the word of God for 30 years, creating churches into TED Talks with rock concerts, woke skinny gene culture, totally perverting the word.
And we've never been a less Christian country, right?
So I don't believe you when you tell me that diluting the truth is somehow more attractive.
Now, I will say this, though.
I don't find this actually to be a lot of churches, but they're definitely out there.
Try not to be angry.
Angry Christians do turn people off.
I get angry at a lot of stuff.
That's probably why I wouldn't be a great pastor.
But the more you can embody the joy of Jesus Christ, but still also articulate the truth, the better.
But don't compromise on deeply held beliefs, period.
That is a bad idea.
The truth is the only thing we have against the lies.
So if somebody comes in and they believe things that aren't true, love them enough to correct the error.
And that's what someone who truly loves does.
Thank you.
Hi.
I would love to start speaking out more, but I feel like I can't effectively articulate and argue my position.
Become an expert in apologetics of conservatism.
Like Isabel Brown can argue every single issue.
Mastering Truth Through Practice00:02:31
Alex Clark, how do I get there?
That's a great question.
So here's, if you really want to get there and you want to do the work, you have to write.
Okay?
Nothing will hone your vocabulary and your ability to harness the spoken word quite like writing.
Because writing is a lot harder than talking.
So here's what I encourage you to do.
Go buy a journal and just say abortion and just write out what you believe if it's convincing and then read it out loud to yourself and then do it again and then do it again.
What I find lacking in the younger generation, not you, obviously, I don't know you, but is the ability to write has been completely lost, right?
When we hire people, I'm like, how did you get through anything?
I mean, it's just, I mean, did ChatGPT do all of your work when you were in college?
It's rather extraordinary, right?
And we have some wonderful writers at Turning Point and some wonderful staff people, but I see some of these resumes, and it's not even just bad grammar, okay?
The grammar is fine because somebody fixed that for them.
It just makes no sense, right?
There's no flow, there's no argument, there is no, the diction is sloppy, it's just anyway.
So, writing is something that you, this is the cool thing about writing.
I can guarantee you'll get better at it if you do a lot of it.
And so that's just, you just got to work at it, right?
So, people say, Charlie, how have you, you know, become a good public speaker?
And look, I had some natural gifts.
I have, I personally traveled over the last decade well over 2,000 days, right?
2,000 days across America.
They say the 10,000 hour rule, I've given over 20,000 hours of speeches and lectures and hosting radio and interviews.
You get good after you do 20,000 hours of anything, right?
I'm not saying you have to do that, but you got to work at it.
And then you got to challenge yourself.
And then you have to be honestly critical of yourself throughout that process.
And then if you really want to get good at it, you have to just breathe it.
You got to eat it.
Listen to the podcast.
Finish people's sentences.
You got to listen to a thousand hours of podcasts before you even begin.
Like Prager, Shapiro, Owens, my podcast, Walsh.
You're going to just immerse all of it.
And then in the car, you're going to turn off.
You're going to be like doing, you're talking to yourself, doing your arguments, and then shadow boxing yourself back.
And that might sound insane, but how is it any different than somebody going to shoot free throws that is a good athlete, right?
You have to practice at the things you care about to get good at the things you care about.
Thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
Thank you, Charlie, for what you do in the universities.
Marxism And Economic Observation00:03:18
What we see on the streets with the BLM movement, with the Antifas, these are young college students who turn to violence.
Could you speak a little bit into how Antonio Gramsci's work has played into what is being taught in the colleges?
Yeah, that's a really, really good question.
So Antonio Gramsci wrote a series of letters from prison.
They're literally called the prison letters.
And he's the author of Cultural Marxism.
That's basically where that term comes from.
Interestingly enough, do you know who the chief scholar of Gramsci is in America?
Pete Buddhajudge's father at University of Notre Dame, lesser-known fact that people don't know about, tells you a lot about Buddhajudge, doesn't it?
So Gramsci argued this.
So we all kind of have an idea of what Marxism is, right?
So Marxism was written as an economic theory of conflict, okay?
So it was written as the bourgeoisie versus the proletariat, constantly at odds with one another, people that control capital, people that control labor, the people that control the capital will actually exploit labor.
And they actually termed the term capitalist as a pejorative, right?
As someone that will exploit the proletariat for their own means, okay?
But it was simply an economic observation, an economic argument, right?
And albeit somewhat of a little bit of a clumsy one, right?
And so what we're really getting at, and I think is important, is Marxism had its kind of heyday in the late 1800s, early 1900s, specifically the Russian Revolution.
And then it kind of somewhat turned into like totalitarianism.
So Antonio Gramsci was a committed Marxist, went to prison for it, and he argued, he said, this is not enough.
The economic thing is not going to work.
We have to assume a cultural identity that actually brings the struggle beyond just the bourgeoisie and the proletariat, but to broader societal power dynamics that actually transcend, you know, what some of these other implications.
So then this was adopted by the Frankfurt School, which literally learned from Gramsci, Herbert Marcuse, Jacques Derrida, and they came here and brought these ideas.
But how do I best explain this, if none of that made sense to you?
Marxism is thought of to just be economic.
Marxism is a theory of conflict, okay?
So when we talk about division, conflict is not a mistake in Marxism.
It's the design of Marxism, right?
Marxism is about mobilizing labor against capital.
Marxism now in America, which is cultural Marxism, is mobilizing the identity group of blacks against the identity group of whites, mobilizing women against men.
And they've tried this in many iterations, and it fails sometimes.
Occupy Wall Street was a failure because it turns out middle-class Americans are not going to want to just tear down the entire American free market system.
It actually failed when they tried Me Too.
Turns out that you can't actually thwart a Supreme Court justice from getting confirmed like Brett Kavanaugh by making up complete lies saying he's a gang rapist, right?
But it worked with race.
And that was interesting.
They tried it with economics.
They tried it with feminism.
Growing Anti-White Crusade00:04:12
But with race, we were complete cowards.
And it's because of what Shelby Steele calls white guilt.
A bunch of white people that feel as if they have to be guilty for something they didn't do, but because they looked like somebody who might have done something bad a long time ago.
And I believe white guilt is one of the most damaging ideologies that has really seeped into society.
And BLM financed themselves behind white guilt.
They preyed on white guilt.
And so BLM uses the Marxist theory of conflict as articulated by Gramsci and Marcuse and applies it to today.
They do not believe in truth.
They do not believe in speech.
All they believe is in power dynamics.
And they believe that we must overthrow the white culture.
And I'll say it again.
There is a growing anti-white crusade in this country.
It gives me no joy in saying that.
And the sooner we recognize and call it out as the bigotry it is, hopefully the sooner we can stop it.
Thank you so much.
Hey, Charlie.
So being a senior in high school and finishing off our turning point chapter, I'm one of the leaders at Legacy Prep for our Turning Point chapter.
How would you suggest that we could motivate other students to come to events like this?
I mean, if you look around, most of us aren't high school students.
So, you know, how would you suggest that we can motivate people to get active and continue what we've built into the future?
I love the question.
Thank you.
So first of all, I'll give it up for him for running a Turning Point USA high school chapter.
So I want to just make a, we are doing an incredibly aggressive push at Turning Point USA.
We're hiring more staff.
We're pouring resources into Texas.
Texas is one of our top priorities of any state in the country.
So we need your help, okay?
We need your help here.
We have some very ambitious Turning Point USA high school chapter goals where we want to start at least another 20 or 30 Turning Point USA high school chapters in the next couple of weeks.
So it's a call to action for all of you here.
If you have a student in high school, a grandson, anything, please go to our table afterwards.
We want Texas to be the number one, the strongest state of any turning point USA state in the country, and you guys can help us get us there.
So we need all of your active help tonight.
So your homework, I'm not asking you to give money or whatever.
I'm asking you to find one person that can help start a high school chapter tonight, and we'll do the rest.
We have a full-time staff that can help you through it.
And the final thing that I'll say just kind of help to get more people is leaders like you that, you know, they'll trust colleagues.
They'll trust people their own age.
Turning point USA high school leaders give me great hope.
You know, we have more turning point USA high school chapters than college chapters.
That's a promising sign, isn't it?
That we have more turning point USA high school groups across America.
It's a beautiful thing.
So we support you 100%.
And again, our call to action tonight: let's all collectively agree that we're going to make Texas the number one turning point USA state in the country.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
As you know, Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple.
Yes, he did.
I am very concerned.
I'm a political organizer.
I've been a political organizer for over 40 years with Lyndon LaRouche, and we're now in the crisis he warned of.
And I would like to hear you speak more on what are we going to do about glass legal regulations on the banks, getting rid of the Federal Reserve, going back to a national bank, because if we don't restore the constitutional economy that we were blessed with under the Constitution of George Washington and Alexander Hamilton, how are we going to have a moral society?
Restoring The Gold Standard00:02:07
I think morality and economics are a these are the queen sciences, I believe.
I think that's a really smart point.
Yeah, and look, the Federal Reserve never should have been implemented and is a big mistake.
Read Creature from Jekyll Island, it will open your eyes of what these people did and how they've deteriorated our currency and how they're basically untouchable.
There's only so many topics I could talk about at an event, so don't hold it against me.
But I do cover this topic a lot on our program.
And it's really interesting.
Neoliberalism needed fiat currency.
Open borders, invade the world, invite the world, needed the ability to be able to have soft currency to be able to deploy that has actual no material or metallic backing whatsoever.
I support a restoration of the gold standard.
That's how radical I am, right?
I think we should have had that a long time ago.
The problem with that argument, though, is a lot of the social welfare spending that we have becomes impossible when you have a metallic-based currency.
I think that's a good thing.
It actually restores us back to fiscal sanity.
So I hear you completely.
The Federal Reserve is going to push.
This is the more applicable thing right now.
CBDC, which is centralized bank digital currency.
Everyone, you've got to read up on it.
It is very dangerous what's happening here.
I am all open to suggestions of what the solution is to it.
I have no idea what the solution is.
Maybe blockchain, but it seems inadequate up against the CBDC.
Maybe everyone buys gold and silver, but even that seems to be a little clumsy and expensive.
I personally own a fair amount of gold.
If you guys, we have sponsors on our show that I've vetted as good gold dealers.
I'm not here to sell you gold.
You guys know that.
But if you want actual gold people that aren't shysters, just go to our program, Noble Gold Investments.
They'll treat you the right way.
So most gold people are really, they're not good.
But I'm not saying to buy gold, but if you want to.
I personally am buying a lot of bullets because I think those appreciate in value over time.
That is one thing that I think will always be, those funds will always transfer.
Yeah.
Leaning Into The Darwin Question00:08:05
So, and also preparedness supplies.
It's funny, if you listen to the Charlie Kirk Show podcast, you could really get everything you need for the, you got patriot supply, right?
You got gold, you got the pillow, right?
You got everything, right?
It's it's so you don't sleep through the apocalypse too far.
You know, you got relief factor energy, you got the whole thing.
God bless you.
Thank you for the question.
That's right, good ranchers.
Good ranchers, and you could feed your family with good ranchers as well.
Yes, next question.
Thank you so much, Charlie.
This has been amazing.
I wanted to touch on Charles Darwin's book, The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or by Perservation of Favored Races Struggle for Life.
And I wanted to ask you what your awareness is of Ma'afa and the Negro dilemma.
If you could speak to that.
Not as much.
I don't know about that, but I can speak to Darwin's worldview, if that's helpful.
And promise me that you will look at Ma'afa because it means calamity or disaster.
It's the whole history of what they did when the emancipation came about.
This was the solution, the dilemma to get rid of the freed slaves because we didn't drive the economy.
That's fascinating.
I ran for Congress to unseat Sheila Jackson Lee back in 2020.
And I am furious at how they have targeted my people to use us to destroy this nation.
Can you expand on that?
Just tell in about a minute, how have they used the black community to destroy the nation?
To say that I'm a victim because of the melon in my skin, or my grandchildren or my great-grandchildren, by the way, who are multiple ethnicities.
I don't believe in multiple races.
It's one race, the human race, with multiple ethnicities.
And the Negro dilemma was, it was all hidden right after the emancipation.
And if you look at the documentary, Ma'afa, M-A-A-F-A, it is amazing.
So let me just talk about Darwin for a second because I think it's important.
I think Christians are far too weak on the Darwin question and they cower in fear on it.
There's a fabulous book.
You have to read it called Darwin's Doubt or Doubting Darwin by Dr. Stephen Meyer.
It's fabulous.
There is a growing consensus of Christian and non-Christian scientists that are coming together and basically argue that Darwin's theory is laughable.
It's a very exciting undercurrent happening in science right now.
You would never know it if you read the scientific journals.
It is robust.
It's deep.
It's thoughtful.
And essentially, these are mathematicians, physicists, evolutionary, formerly evolutionary biologists that have come together and they say the mathematical improbability of what Darwin was arguing is the greatest leap of faith of any sort of widely accepted metaphysical view of a species leap.
And they go through the actual mathematic improbability.
There's a fabulous dialogue of three of them, Dr. Stephen Meyer, and there's two other scientists I can't remember, mathematician and another guy who actually had his arm blown off by the Unibomber.
And it's brought to you by the Hoover Institution.
If you guys ever want to watch it, it's fabulous content where for an hour and a half they just talk about how wrong Darwin was.
And why does that matter?
So much of the timidity that we find from Christians stems from the world making us believe that Darwin is unquestionable.
If you think about it, right?
How many of your kids go to college and start to believe this crap, right?
And so I just encourage, we have to really lean in on the Darwin question.
I think it will bear fruit.
We've got to play offense on it.
And then also talk about the utter racism, eugenic bigotry that was driving natural selection and Darwinism, which is equally as important.
But let me just say this again.
Again, I'm far from an expert on the question of it, but if you guys ever want to watch his videos or read his other book, The Return of the God Hypothesis by Dr. Stephen Meyer, if that stuff animates you and drives you and you really like deeping into the intellectual material,
there is a massive library of thoughtful thinkers that are publishing monthly, defending the Christian worldview when it comes to creation, using the most advanced developments in quantum physics and other places to show that the Bible is 100% true.
Thank you so much.
God bless you.
She's a tough act to follow, I'll tell you that.
So, thank you so much for being here.
And thank you for starting Turning Point USA.
I think it's a very important thing that you started, and I've seen it working.
I have spoken at the high school in the woodlands and tried to reach the children.
And in fact, I did explain to them the Hegelian dialectic.
It took a little time, but we got through it.
That's a toughie.
But it turned, made some lights go on, right?
Also, everything you said about the school system, I totally agree with.
And that's what I wanted to come here and speak to you about.
And even what you said about the Catholic schools.
I myself went to a Catholic school, and I always was above, head and shoulders above with my education, my self-discipline, etc.
I belong to this church.
This is where I come.
So I'll let you all do the math on that.
So, my point.
Question.
Yes.
What's your question?
Yes.
So, Jack Hibbs starting a school.
I think our churches, we need to get out of the schools.
We need to get out of that board game they're playing.
We go to the school board meetings.
I do not see all the schools.
You got to get to the question.
I'm sorry.
Yes, sir.
You were right.
But I am going to get to this question.
So what can Turning Point USA do 2.0 and help us get some good schools together and get away from the government schools?
Perfect question.
Thank you for the question.
So we have Turning Point Academy that was launched about a year ago.
You guys should all be involved and start church hybrid schools at Turning Point Academy.
Right now, we have fully operational hybrid schools that are able to empower you as Christians, homeschoolers, pastors, and church leaders.
You can go to Turning Point Academy, I think it's TurningPointAcademy.com, the website there, and we're here to empower you.
And the number one thing that we need to do, if you are a pastor, we talked about this earlier in our roundtable.
If you're not running a Christian school, part of your budget, part of your allocation needs to go every single month to Christian education.
We have to financially and generously pour in to Christian education in an unprecedented way.
Yes, sorry to cut you off.
We're just getting tight on time.
Yes.
First of all, I want to say super excited to be here.
But my question is, if you already live in a conservative community and go to a conservative school, how can you still expand the movement while only being in high school?
That's a great question.
Start a Turning Point USA chapter.
It's important.
A criticism I get sometimes is, Charlie, you only preach to the choir, which is silly because I go to college campuses.
So that doesn't make any sense, right?
So they don't always think when they accuse me of stuff, right?
But yeah, okay, let's pretend we're all the choir.
Okay, well, I think one of the problems over the last 40 years is the choir forgot the melody.
Sometimes the choir needs some preaching.
So just because people agree with you doesn't mean that they're as deep as they should be or as committed as they should be or as active as they should be.
And there's still a lot of work to be done to also preserve to make sure that conservative communism become a liberal community, right?
And that happens like this.
Oh, you better believe it, right?
Biblical View On Slavery00:03:03
I mean, I just go to downtown Houston.
I mean, you guys got like soul cycles now and like vegan bars.
Like, what is going on?
Like, these liberals, they're leaving Travis County and they're coming in here.
I'm like, what is, this is not the Houston I remember, right?
I mean, it used to be just pure barbecue, gun shops, pawn dealers, right?
And then a church right next door, because you guys don't have zoning, right?
That's the way it would work, right?
It would be the pawn shop, the church, the strip club, the liquor store, and then all right there, you can run the gamut because we don't believe in zoning, which I think has some advantages and some disadvantages.
That's a totally separate issue for a different time.
But don't get too comfortable that Houston is all solidly, you know, conservative.
You guys know that.
I know.
So there's always work to do.
God bless you.
Thank you.
Last question.
My mom told my brother that thanks to the biblical or godly values, slavery was ended here in the USA.
But he asked, how come the Bible talks about slain?
I mean, about the slaves obeying their master.
Can you talk about that?
Yeah, that's a great question.
So, first of all, it's impossible to read the biblical text in its entirety and justify slavery, okay?
For example, the entire book of Exodus is the release of people from slavery, right?
That's the whole thing, God does not yearn for people ever to be owned from one person to the other.
Secondly, the idea of human equality.
I can't speak to this specifics of the slave and master dichotomy.
Heard a pastor explain it once.
Happy if you want to chime in, Pastor, on that.
But never in the scriptures is there a justification for the owning of another human being, right?
This was a perversion of the theology done by John C. Calhoun, who was a trickster from the American South, and made some contorted theological, unbiblical views of that way.
But God wants you to be free.
That is a repeated refrain.
But here, let's go to the biblical view.
Why is slavery wrong?
Slavery is wrong because we're made in the image of God, and that would be owning another image bearer.
Slavery is wrong because of human equality, and we're all made equal in the image of God.
Therefore, no person should be able to own another person.
And so, to the exact verse that you talk about, I'm not exactly sure how to answer that.
Pastor could dive into it, but I will say it is impossible to justify any form of slavery whatsoever through a proper reading of the entirety of the biblical text.
So, thank you.
All right, in closing, everybody, I want to get just to reinforce: please help us start Turning Point USA high school chapters.
We really need you.
There is one way you guys can also help us tonight.
There's something that's about to go up on screens.
Challenge Yourself To Do More00:02:31
So, we do three podcasts a day.
Anyone listen to our podcast?
A couple people?
Wow, it's amazing.
Thank you.
If you are not yet subscribed to our podcast, it would bless me and us personally if you would do this.
It helps grow the audience base.
It helps allow us to reach more Americans.
We could send a message to the New York Times.
All you have to do is follow that QR code and press subscribe.
So, you take out your phone and you do that.
If you don't know how to follow a QR code, I think there's an eight-year-old around here that could show you how to do that.
Let me just reinforce this: it's a free-of-charge way for us to be able to earn us and our podcast to become a daily news source for you.
We do three podcasts a day.
It's always from a biblical conservative worldview, challenging the lies and trying to inform you.
So, if you guys follow that and do that, we deeply appreciate it.
Pastor, did you want to mention anything before we close?
Okay.
I want to just thank this amazing church again for hosting us.
Truly.
And I'll close with this.
I get asked all the time: Charlie, are you pessimistic or are you optimistic?
If I were to tell you I was optimistic, you would go home and say, I don't have to do anything because Charlie's optimistic and he thinks we're going to win.
If I said I was pessimistic, you would go home and say, up, I don't have to do anything because Charlie thinks we're going to lose.
Many of you here tonight are probably rolling your eyes at times and saying, I've done everything that has been asked of me.
I watched Tucker Carlson.
I bought the pillow.
I've done everything that, by the way, promo code Kirk at mypillow.com, just so we're clear.
Okay?
There's nothing else I have to do.
It is the man in the arena that counts.
My call to action tonight is out of obedience to the Lord as an act of worship.
Challenge yourself to do more.
Challenge yourself to fight for this republic, to educate our children, to fight for every inch, to push back against evil.
You as a Christian are not allowed to despair.
You are not allowed to engage in cynicism.
We are a hopeful people because we know the battle is already won.
And so let's continue to fight for Jesus, fight for liberty, and fight for the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.
God bless you guys.
Thank you so much.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email us your thoughts.
As always, freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
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