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Feb. 7, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The 6 State of the Union Lies Biden Will Tell with Stephen Moore and Daniel Horowitz
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Vaccine Deaths vs Holocaust 00:10:20
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Daniel Horowitz argues that the vaccine has killed more people than the Holocaust.
It's quite a claim, but he substantiates it.
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I'm excited for this conversation.
He is tough.
He is smart.
And he really sees things correctly, especially on what I consider to be the issue that all of a sudden disappeared, which is COVID fascism.
And I learned a lot.
And most of what I learned these last couple years about my fellow citizens was awfully depressing.
Liberty is a value that most Americans do not think should be protected.
Daniel Horowitz is with us.
His book, Rise the Fourth Reich, with Steve Dace, is coming out February 14th, confronting COVID fascism with a new Nuremberg trial.
So this never happens again.
There's a lot there.
Daniel, welcome to the program.
Daniel, you are a religious Jew.
You take your Judaism seriously.
And I'm sure you don't like the media and or the chattering academic class using Nazi references just for the purpose of it, but you intentionally use a Reich reference.
As a religious Jew, you're not doing so flippantly.
There's a lot of weight to that.
Walk us through the argument as to why what we just lived through with the COVID fascist regime is morally equivalent to what Adolf Hitler attempted to do in the 1940s.
And we didn't just live through it.
It is still going on, shockingly, in a greater magnitude than when we started writing the book.
We obviously have one of our witnesses at our Mach Nuremberg trial we have in the book is a child holocaust survivor.
And the parallels are too numerous to even draw upon with this conversation, but we'll mention a few of them.
So one of the lead ships in that armada in the Third Reich, and it's important to talk about the 1930s, you don't get to Auschwitz in a vacuum.
And it was, it started at a governmental level, but it desensitized the people who went along with it.
This notion that you could declare another human being or group of human beings a threat to your health.
And therefore, the sky is the limit in terms of what you can do to them.
The leadship in that armada was public health nationalism, that the notion that individual rights are subservient to public health goals.
This was a big part of it.
This is why all the academic papers that have been written on this subject agree that the doctors and the scientists joined the Nazi party at a higher level than anyone else in greater numbers.
This is because they felt this notion, and this is what was established in 2020, that the government could declare you, Charlie, without prima fascia evidence, a threat to the public.
And unless you cover your breathing holes, I mean, say what you want about the yellow star.
We actually have yellow stars in some hospitals now.
They literally call them gold stars, yellow stars to identify if you have the shot, whether you have to cover your face.
Those things were put on your lapel.
They were humiliating.
This is put on your breathing holes, which we now know increases your CO2 levels and obviously doesn't stop the pathogen.
And we now have just this week, a big American WHO official came out talking about the need to track and trace everyone in perpetuity.
We now know the CDC is working on, they have ICD codes to track those who didn't get the shot and for what reason?
Reluctance.
So again, just Charlie, the broader point here is medical nationalism and your body is subservient to an elite's view of public health objectives.
That is the number one parallel that we have that needs to be stopped.
In the Talmud, it says the best doctors go to Gehenna or hell.
Did you know that?
You know, it was one of the cryptic statements that our whole life, we never really had a handle that what in the world does that mean?
And 2,000 years ago, and now you read it, you say, of course.
We have all been passing around that statement because what it likely means is that the best, the ones who think they are the best, how you could look at other people and you could have other doctors in front of you saying, look, we are treating like the case of Dr. Brian Tyson, 7,000 people with success.
You ought to look at what they're doing.
You could have thousands of people saying, we are being injured, and you don't even need to take their word for it.
But you have the CDC's own pharmacovigilance.
You know, from day one, over 3,000 entries per day covering over 14,000 maladies, every organ system in the body.
I mean, this was very early on.
And again, what we prove in the book, and it's been even more since it came out, is this wasn't just a case of, oh, I burnt the toast.
They knew this from day one.
They knew it in August 2020 in the clinical trials.
They contracted with General Dynamics to prepare for at least 1,000 bears entries per day.
Pfizer knew this with over 1,200 deaths and 45,000 serious injuries covering 1,400 serious AEs that they listed in nine pages.
They knew that in the first few weeks of its initiation before any younger person ever got this.
And to this day, they're still going on and on.
They have more mRNA.
And our best estimates, and I think this is conservative, that 7.5 million people at a minimum globally died so far.
How many?
Say that again?
Say that again.
7.5 million.
And they knew this.
Daniel, that's a huge number.
7.5 million.
Prove that.
Prove that to me.
So we have two data points.
One points to 7.5, one points to about 7.8.
Basically, the first one is Michigan State University just came out with an extrapolation based on a survey that as of December 20th, 2021.
So after the first year of the shot, 278,000 Americans died.
So what I did is I said, hey, how many doses were administered in the US then?
And then I extrapolated it for the world now.
It's 13.24 billion.
And that would work out to 7.5 million.
Another case is if you look at the theirs deaths in the United States, and I'm forgetting where it's at, maybe it's at 12,000 or so right now.
We know that almost nobody reports things to theirs.
I mean, that is obvious.
It's exhausting.
I don't know.
It's very bureaucratic and cumbersome.
Very bureaucratic.
It times out on you.
You know, once you get all the information, you got to restart it.
Even a lot of people with very prominent injuries in the clinical trial didn't submit it.
Anyway, we always wondered what was the underreporting factor.
And a lot of estimated somewhere between 20, 30, 40, somewhere around then.
Previous studies have shown that.
We now have a number of 26.
So by a factor of 26, where do we get that from?
CDC's own other system.
We now know, thanks to FOIAs, aside from theirs, they had vSAFE.
All along, they were tracking people would sign up to report on a reporting app, adverse events.
And that was called vSAFE 10.8 million registered.
That's a pretty large sample size.
Not everyone who got the shots.
It's over 230 million people, but a lot of people, big sample size.
Number one, they found a 7.7% rate of clinical level injury where you have to seek medical attention.
I mean, that's utterly insane.
But an interesting tidbit came out from that.
That among the people, we have the number among the people who participated in vSAFE, how many filled out a theirs report?
And it's 126.
And if anything, the people that volunteer to report to vSAFE relative to the general population would be more, you would think, more inclined to report to theirs.
So again, if you take the underreporting factor of 26 from CDC's own vSAFE just opposed to theirs, you multiply the theirs' deaths by 26.
In the U.S., again, you'll get several hundred thousand deaths in the U.S., about seven and a half million globally.
Just to make sure I understand, are you saying that more people died from the vaccine than died in the Holocaust?
There's no doubt about it.
And this is just the opening salvo before we get to the long-term injuries.
Daniel Horowitz with the new book, and you guys got to check it out, The Rise of the Fourth Reich, confronting COVID fascism with a new Nuremberg trial so this never happens again.
Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.
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Daniel, I want to get to two pieces of tape here, so we're going to go fast.
But you said it's still going on.
You're right.
This is 24.
I believe it is a recent ad advocating for what seems to be a booster shot, Play Cut 24.
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Then I want to get your opinion on something, your thoughts.
We're one of the only countries that allow that direct to consumer advertising from pharma, but that's all with our indemnity of liability, with our funding, our government taxpayer marketing of it that enabled them to do that.
Couple things here.
First of all, the New York City Health Department even admitted in a tweet recently, you're more likely to get COVID if you had the shot.
I mean, that is universal in all the literature out there.
The more you inject, the more you infect.
So it's actually negative efficacy.
You know, a study from BMJ just came out over the weekend from Scandinavia that you're five times more likely to get myocarditis from this shot than from the virus.
But moreover, it's not about this versus that.
The virus is a problem too.
That's what we address in the book as well.
That didn't come out of nowhere.
That came through HHS and DARPA on the defense military establishment working with these so-called private vendors on gain of function.
Pfizer recently admitted they're doing more of it, but the government forces them to do it.
How is it that three years into this, we don't have a handle on which pathogens they're creating, where, and what vaccines they're promoting alongside it?
Because I'll tell you, they're going to do this again.
So I got to get your opinion on this, Daniel.
I'm immensely curious, and I have no idea how you're going to answer.
Okay.
When I ask people that take the Torah seriously and study it and are Jews about their opinion of the devil and diabolical forces, I get answers all over the place because it's not exactly clear.
Daniel, I mean, you look at Pfizer sponsoring the satanic performance, the Luciferian, you know, dancing with Sam Smith last evening.
It seems as if some of this has to be diabolical.
Do you believe that there are satanic diabolical forces at play here?
Yes.
And that's why we wrote The Rise of the Fourth Reich.
This is what I learned.
I think a lot of us prior to COVID thought, yeah, farm agreed.
Farm agreed.
They want to make money.
They want to perpetuate a system that earns them the most money possible.
And that is true.
But what you are seeing, and especially the way it's seeped into the medical profession, even people that aren't at the top of Pfizer or the FDA or DARPA, this is a religious belief.
It is a religious belief.
You know, whenever we learned Bible studies, it's always hard to understand idolatry.
Have you worshiped an inanimate object?
And they will literally take something that the more you inject, the more you infect, and they'll still worship it.
It's almost like, again, in my religion, it's a religious procedure that at eight days old, you copy what Abraham was commanded to do and you get a circumcision.
They believe this is not just about money anymore, that to perfect the human body, to please the idols, you need to take every baby and make them a pincushion with an ever-growing litany of vaccines.
Now, 15 more mRNAs that code your body to produce various things in unlimited quantities throughout your body.
They're doing it with RSD in three to four months.
They just got expedited review approved.
If we don't have that new Nuremberg trial, if we don't put this to an end, they're going to do it again.
Daniel, one of the great contributions that Judaism brought the world in the Torah was it smashed polytheism and paganism.
Yes.
And it smashed this idea of child sacrifice.
It did so very clearly in God's direct intervention in Abraham's, not sacrifice of Isaac, but the test of Abraham.
Final thoughts here, Daniel.
As America becomes increasingly secular, we're being taken over by mad scientists.
Your thoughts?
This could have only happened because of paganism.
American society, our grandparents' generation would never have fallen for this.
They never would have fallen for that fear, that lack of belief in God and this utter obsessive belief that another human being is a threat to you if they don't take an intervention that you yourself are very welcome to take.
Daniel Horowitz, one of my favorite guests.
See you later.
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Economic Malinvestment and Debt 00:15:17
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Steve Moore.
Steve, welcome to the program.
Hi, Charlie.
Well, I think we both got out just in time, right?
It's only getting worse.
And I just, it's a tragedy.
We could talk about every time we're up.
Go ahead.
Yeah, no, it is a tragedy.
What the left has done to our great cities.
I mean, you and I love Chicago.
I grew up in Wrigley Field.
And, you know, when I was a kid, we used to love to go downtown to Chicago.
When I was a kid, I thought Chicago was one of the greatest cities on earth.
And I still think it's a great city, but it shows what happens when liberal progressives take over a place.
They have arguably the worst mayor in America, Charlie, in Chicago, in Lightfoot.
And it's just, it's a disgrace.
And this is what liberals do.
So, so, Steve, I didn't plan to talk about Chicago, Illinois.
It just so happens every time you're on.
We do.
Just really quick, I haven't been there in a couple months.
I'm going next month.
Is there any self-awareness by people that have been around there for a couple of generations?
This is not exactly the city it used to be.
You know, it's so funny you should ask that because I really scratched my head and I see what's happening in the great cities in America.
It's yep, Portland is being destroyed.
Seattle has been destroyed.
San Francisco has just been destroyed.
Detroit has been destroyed.
Los Angeles is being destroyed.
And, you know, you mentioned Chicago.
They have, you know, not just the worst mayor in America, but arguably one of the worst governors in America.
And I call him Putzger, but they call him Pittsburgh.
And he just got re-elected.
So I'm like, if people in Illinois are so stupid to re-elect the guy who's destroying their state, maybe they deserve this.
That's a deeper moral question, right?
But it really does.
So, Steve, you have a fabulous piece in the New York Post, and this is you playing your best role in clairvoyance because you know already what he's going to do.
Six lies Biden will tell in his State of the Union.
Let's go through them one by one.
What is number one?
Well, I forget the exact order, but I'll mention a few of them right to start out.
One of the things he's going to say is that he's reduced the deficit.
Have you heard him say that, Charlie?
I've reduced the deficit by $1.4 trillion.
And I've always scratched my head thinking, how can the king of debt, the person who's borrowed more money than any president in American history, say that he's reducing the deficit?
And what he's doing is he's saying, well, we borrowed $2.8 trillion in my first year in office, $2.8 trillion at all-time record high.
And this year, last year, we only borrowed $1.4 trillion, which is also one of the highest levels ever.
So he's saying he's claiming credit for reducing his own deficit level, even though we've borrowed $4.2 trillion while he's been president.
So it's a false statistic.
He is the king of debt and he's bankrupting this country.
Yeah, I mean, I increased it and then it went down a little bit so that I could take credit for decreasing it.
It's silly.
Exactly.
It's like a person who gains 50 pounds one year says, oh, you know, I went on a diet and I only gained 30 pounds the next year.
It's like, what?
You're still pretty fat.
Well, no, You're up 80 pounds.
That's what's so sick about this is that, okay, so I gained 50 one year and then I gained 30.
And they say, well, my weight deficit is down 20 pounds while you sound so great.
Yeah, but your net fat is up 80 pounds in two years.
No, no, no, but the rate of growth of which I'm gaining weight is down 20 pounds.
You look at him, you're like, you're up 80 pounds.
Now, second one has to do with energy policy.
And this is one, you know, I've written books on energy policy.
As you know, Charlie, you and I have talked about this before with President Trump.
He made America energy independent and not just energy independent, but energy dominant when he was president for the first time in my lifetime.
And I'm 62 years old.
And so Biden comes in and he's saying that he has promoted American drilling when in fact he, whereas Trump brought in tens of millions of new acres of production, Joe Biden has actually reduced the number of permits more than any president going back all the way to Harry Truman.
I think one of the great successes of the Trump administration was his wins on energy independence.
It's good for us geopolitically.
It was good for us economically.
It was good for middle class wages.
It was across the board.
Except for the radical environmentalist who said it was contributing to man-made climate change, which there's no evidence that that was.
It's actually the opposite, that emissions were going down and the more we were using natural gas.
Just talk a little bit more, Steve, about how tragic it is what Joe Biden has intentionally done with energy independence.
Donald Trump made us the envy of the world when it came to energy policy.
Yeah, so we would be producing roughly, according to my buddy, Casey Mulligan, one of the top economists in the country, we did a study finding that we'd be producing 3 million more barrels of oil a day, a day if Trump were still president.
If we just stuck with his pro-American energy policy, we'd be producing 200 to 250 billion dollars more in oil output.
Just think of that, what that would do to the economy.
And I would add to all the virtues you said.
Also, think of the jobs.
The people in the oil patch make over $100,000 a year for the truckers, workers, and drillers.
And then that's related to, by the way, another Biden lie.
He's going to actually say with a straight pace that he's lowered gas prices.
And it's exactly the same thing with respect to the deficit.
Wait a minute.
When Trump left office, it was $2.59 a gallon.
And so now this past summer, it went up to $5.50 a gallon.
And he's saying he's brought it all the way down to $350,000 a gallon.
But wait a minute, it's still a gallon more than it was when.
So it's the same kind of distorted logic this president uses.
And just really quickly, Steve, I want to get your thoughts on this.
The fact that America is the only major country that allows the private ownership of minerals is a big deal.
And so I think as an intermediary, I could see the Democrats or Biden arguing for government control of oil or natural gas.
Can you just riff on that for a second?
Because Saudi Arabia, Russia, Venezuela, it's all owned by the state.
The fact that we have private ownership of minerals has led to fracking, hydraulic exploration.
Just talk about that for a second.
Well, we have not only do we have more oil and gas and coal than any other country, we have more precious minerals than any other country in the world as well.
And this is a treasure chest.
We were endowed by God with more resources than any other country.
We're a wonderful country that's so blessed.
And we estimate, by the way, the value of these assets, Charlie, are you sitting down?
I think you are.
$60 trillion.
So if we were to drill for these and if we were to mine for these resources, we could produce revenue for the government, because the private companies would pay the government royalties, for we could probably knock off a couple trillion dollars from our national debt and create jobs and have the resources we need.
So we don't have to get them from China and other countries again, it's a no-brainer.
And yet it's a no-brainer that the Biden people don't seem to get.
It's because they're uh, they're environmentalists.
What's the next on your list?
Oh, the next one is when he says oh, he has another.
He says he's brought inflation down and and he says he's saying that um, the inflation is lower now than what he inherited.
Now, that's a.
That's quite a laugher, because do you know what the inflation rate Charlie was when Trump left office?
The inflation rate uh, three and a half, four percent, i'm just estimating one and a half to two percent.
And so then it went from one and a half to 2% in 18 months.
I mean, how do you do this?
Go from one and a half to 2% under Trump to 9% under Biden.
And then now it's come down.
He's going to say, oh, look, I brought it down from 9% to 6.5%.
Well, 6.5%, Charlie, is still one of the highest rates in 40 years.
Yep.
That's right.
So you have to, just kind of as a side note here, Steve, I'm going to ask you to predict more macro.
Where do you think this economy is headed into the summer?
Because Janet Yellen, some breaking news.
She just came out front page of yahoo.com saying that you do not have recessions in time like this.
Anything that she says or these fools say, I tend to discount because they've been rumbling at everything.
Where do you think we're headed, though, Steve?
Because I do not have faith in the current state of this economy.
What do you think?
Yeah, I'm with you.
I think it's an incredibly fragile economy.
I think it's precarious.
I think we're just drenched in red ink and debt, both at the federal level and consumers are taking on more debt.
So look, the positive sign on the economy is we did get a very good jobs report.
The jobs market is good.
But Charlie, every month that we have this high inflation, it's like a tax on poor people.
And so middle-income and poor people are falling further and further behind financially every month that Biden is in office.
We estimate about $4,000 of lost income for the average family.
And just to give you an example, there's an article in CNBC today that said Americans, more and more Americans have to go to the dollar store to buy their groceries because they can't afford to grow to the grocery store.
Yeah, that's not sustainable.
And so I think you're already starting to see the fault lines a little bit in real estate prices.
They're starting to go down 8%, 10% year over year.
But it is kind of a weird set of economic circumstances, isn't it?
Because you're near full employment, near it.
You have, but you're starting to see some disturbing canaries in a coal mine of the tech companies that are preemptively laying off really high-paying jobs.
30 seconds, Steve, your thoughts.
Well, the forecast, the standard forecast by every economic model, including the congressional budget office, is that if we stay with Biden policies, we'll grow at 1.5% per year for the next decade.
Charlie, that is a disaster.
That's like a turtle pace of growth.
I'm with Larry Kudlow.
We got to grow at 3.5% to 4%.
We've got to get back to the Trump policies that created the best economy ever.
And it's not simple.
And Biden has reversed every good thing that Trump has done on the economy.
I'm afraid we got to grow even more than that, Steve, if inflation keeps up.
If you're not at least growing.
That's true.
Good point.
If you're not even growing at the rate of inflation, I mean, you're really in a tough spot.
Think about it.
So you create all these trillions of dollars and you can't even keep the growth rate consistent with inflation.
Maybe there's been trillions of dollars of malinvestment.
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Steve, which what other lies can we expect that we have not covered yet?
Well, I left out one of the one of the real whoppers.
And I guarantee you, he's going to talk about this.
He's going to say that the border is under control.
Now, Charlie, how can the president, and he's been saying that?
He said, border's under control.
There's no problem at the border.
We have seen more illegal crossings, like three times as many as we did under Trump.
And the numbers continue to go.
And those are just some people we know have crossed the border.
So we know probably hundreds and hundreds of thousands have escaped through the border, you know, unknowingly.
And we call those getaways.
So this is an absurd idea by Biden.
And he will talk about we're doing everything we can to stop the border.
No, all he would have had done to stop the border crisis is just keep with the Trump policies and continue to build the wall.
What's the sense of building 80% of a wall and not continuing to build it?
Doesn't make any sense.
So Steve, kind of to summarize all this together, you know, the American economy is in a very fragile state.
Biden is intentionally doing all this, in my personal opinion.
61% of Americans rate the economy as bad.
Let's play cut eight.
CBS poll, let's play cut eight.
Six in 10 Americans believe the economy's condition is bad.
Pessimism that has been in place over the last year.
Among all America's challenges, our poll says the top priority, lowering inflation.
Three in four people said they worry about it the most.
Over the next year, our poll shows roughly six in 10 Americans expect the economy to be in recession or slowing.
Many everyday Americans are sweating this economy.
Instability generates insecurity.
So Steve, it's just a matter of time, in my opinion.
And I just, I don't want to fearmonger, but if the foundation of two out of three Americans think that things are awful and terrible, eventually that's going to reflect in real estate prices, consumer behavior, savings.
I mean, we're seeing some rather troubling leading indicators, aren't we?
Yeah, let me touch on that last one you mentioned, the savings rate.
So remember, that was another thing that Biden kept saying is we have the record high savings rate.
No, we don't.
We have a record low savings rate right now.
Article in the Bloomberg today that the amount of credit card debt has reached an all-time level.
And this is because incomes are falling behind inflation.
And so more and more Americans either have to take on more credit card debt, which is, by the way, dangerous because, you know, Charlie, some of those credit card companies will charge you 25 or 30% interest.
And also, Americans are now starting ready for this.
They're digging into their 401k plans to pay their current bills.
You do that, you're going to pay an enormous penalty.
So Americans are financially stressed out.
You have to pay, you have to pay the income tax plus 10%, I think.
Exactly.
Yeah, it's income plus.
And then good luck.
Don't do that, folks.
Do not take money from your 401k plan.
Do not amass more debt on your credit card.
I think the best thing to do is to vote against these morons who put in place these economic policies.
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The last line in my piece, by the way, Charlie, is the takeaway from Biden's speech tomorrow night will be liar, liar, pants on fire.
And what's the most frustrating part of it, Steve, is we've gone from a set of economic political communication strategies from I feel your pain to you're not in pain.
Or I caused your pain.
Yeah, it's just, but what's amazing is that Joe Biden is not going to give an inch to that people are even suffering or that they are feeling less than ideal.
It's just he's going to try to convince people that things are actually wonderful.
I just, I can't, for the life of me, think this is a sustainable political equation.
Closing thoughts, Steve.
And there's a reason for this.
As you know, I live in the swamp, Charlie.
I live in Washington, D.C.
And the swamp is a bubble.
People don't, in Washington, don't know what's happening on Main Street USA.
They have no concept.
Joe Biden doesn't know how real Americans are doing.
So this is why, you know, what was Donald Trump's strongest argument for being elected president?
Drain the swamp.
Biden isn't draining the swamp.
He's making Washington rich at the rest at the expense of all the rest of us.
Steve Moore, check out his newsletter.
What is the name of your newsletter again?
Committee to Unleashed Prosperity.
Go to our website, Committee to Unleash Prosperity.
Get our hotline.
And Charlie, you're going to love this.
Even in an inflation era, it's free.
It doesn't cost anything.
That's right.
It has doubled in price, which is nothing.
Zero times two is still zero.
Steve, thanks so much.
Appreciate it.
Okay, Charlie.
Have a great day.
Take care.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.
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