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Feb. 3, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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A.I. Armageddon with Joe Allen and Pastor Rob McCoy
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AI as a Woke Weapon 00:10:04
Hey everybody, Tana Charlie Kirk Show.
Joe Allen talks about artificial intelligence.
It is creepy.
It is dangerous.
What is happening?
And then Rob McCoy with a biblical answer to that.
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With us is Joe Allen.
Joe Allen is one of the clearest thinkers on artificial intelligence.
He's an AI expert, futurist, transhumanism ponderer, and editor at War Room.
Joe, love watching you on Bannon's program.
We have limited time, so I want to dive right into it.
And this has been the interview I've been waiting to have in the last couple of days because a friend I really trust that I grew up with sent me an urgent message two days ago.
He said, Charlie, you got to check out this chat GPT thing, whatever.
And I said, what do you mean?
He said, do it.
And I did.
And quite honestly, I haven't been able to stop thinking about the implications of it.
And I have nothing but questions.
And no one's really been able to calm me down from what I know it means.
So, Joe, first explain to our audience, what is artificial intelligence, and then you can act as a pseudotherapist to me.
Well, to start off with, Charlie, I'm always a Debbie Downer, so I can't take you off this ledge, but maybe I can help get your feet firmly planted.
Artificial intelligence is, you know, in essence, just a software system.
But what makes artificial intelligence more advanced or less deterministic than normal computer programming as we've always known it is that artificial intelligence is non-deterministic.
The output can't necessarily be directly predicted from the input.
It varies from iteration to iteration.
And what that means is that it is a little closer to what in 1956, John McCarthy defined as artificial intelligence, which is a sort of human-level artificial system that is able to think on and reason in the same ways that a person could.
So ChatGPT, I wouldn't say, can reason as a human could.
It's very, very specific to text and it's very, very specific in its input, right?
It's all previously reasoned human data that it's working from.
But what makes ChatGPT so intriguing to me, two things.
One is that it does, on the level of just pure textual output, it does perform much like, say, an average student would or an average copywriter would.
And so it represents a huge leap forward from previous large language models.
That's right.
And the second is that as ChatGPT advances and as other large language models advance, they will become these sort of artificial companions for human beings, much in the same way that digital personas are ways that human beings have come to speak to each other on a normal basis.
These artificial personalities, these artificial minds are coming to the point where they can push all the right cognitive buttons and become companions for people, basically leading us to an even sicker and sadder world than we already live in.
I have it right up here.
And just to show people the creepiness, I asked, write a song about why Arizona is the best state.
And within about 15 seconds, I'm going to have a song in front of me that, will that be originally composed, Joe, or is that basing off an input?
Explain to me how this works, right?
So right now it says, Arizona, the place I love most.
The sun is shining, the sky is blue.
The desert air is so sweet and warm.
It's the best place to be.
I'm sure you'll agree.
Chorus, Arizona, the best state in the land.
The beauty of the desert is so grand.
The people here are so friendly and kind.
It's the best place to be.
I'm sure you'll find.
Verse two, the Grand Canyon is a sight to behold.
The red rocks and the cacti are so bold.
The stars at night are so bright and clear.
It's the best place to be.
I'm sure you'll hear.
Well, first off, let's just say that ChatGPT produces pop lyrics at about the level as the human level pop industry has.
Great song.
But second, what makes that unique, right?
Yes, that is a completely unique song.
No human being has ever written that song.
What the software does is it scrapes over all the relevant data, millions and millions of data points, looking for what the user requests, right?
You request a song about Arizona.
It's going to rake over as much information as it can about Arizona.
It's going to rake over the structure of a song.
And it's going to look at other songs, kind of the cadence and the content of other songs, the emotional sort of resonance.
The data has been, you know, the system is actually designed to be able to roughly identify emotional content, right?
Write something angry, write something happy.
So what it does then is out of all that, it distills it down into a kind of average, and it then produces something that's completely original.
In the case of songwriting, actually, I was at a bar the other night, and a guy who is an excellent musician, but a terrible songwriter tells me he's been using ChatGPT to write his lyrics for him.
I assume ChatGPT will write the lyrics for his next album.
So this sort of thing, again, I think that the real danger to it, there's a lot of real dangers to it, but one of the real dangers is the reflexive tendency to offload human cognition, to offload human effort to the machine.
And therefore, the result being the atrophy of human abilities.
More and more people, especially students who are using it to and will use it to write their papers, even if they rewrite it to get past the software.
You're going to see, you already see, this tendency for human beings to stop putting forward the effort that it takes to develop virtue, to develop discipline, to develop skills, and to develop their talents.
And that will just be occupied by this sort of mechanical output.
I asked ChatGPT, write an essay why conservatives should not have free speech rights.
And it's writing it.
It says, the right to free speech is a fundamental right that is essential to a functioning democracy.
However, conservatives should not have the same rights as other citizens.
This is because conservative views often promote policies that are detrimental to the well-being, such as racism, sexism, and homophobia.
When conservatives are allowed to express their views, that consequence, it can lead to the spread of dangerous and hateful ideologies.
This can lead to an increase in discrimination and violence against marginalized groups.
It can also lead to a decrease in public trust in government and a decrease in public participation in the political process.
This all just took about 15 seconds, but Joe, you don't have to be, it is no longer speculation.
This is going to be a super weapon for the woke.
Absolutely.
And it could go either way.
I wouldn't be any more in favor of this technology if it was slanted conservative.
Although, if we're going to live in some sort of technocratic nightmare, it should at least be politically balanced.
It should at least be a place where you and I can live.
But this is when Chat GPT was first released, it was relatively unbiased.
There was a segment on Epic Times television where a man, I believe his name is Hans Monk, entirely too excited about the technology, but he saw because he asked it, for instance, write an article about the Hunter Biden laptop story.
And he described a resulting essay that was politically balanced, that didn't really slant one way or the other, and therefore was better than anything that you would see at the New York Times, which is true.
He talked about how Wikipedia has become so slanted towards left-wing bias, which is true.
But he predicted them because at that time in early or mid-December, when it was first released, it was relatively non-biased.
What seems to have happened in the interim is that probably two factors.
One for sure, the other I'm speculating on.
One, people undoubtedly within open AI started putting guardrails in place so that it wouldn't say anything racist, sexist, or homophobic, or even anything conservative.
Another thing that's probably happening, though, as each user, you know, it had a million users within just a couple of days.
As each user is responding to the resulting essays or poems or whatever, they're steering the system, right?
They're teaching the machine what is and isn't correct.
So if it produces an essay on quantum physics that starts talking about, you know, time travel and quantum leap, things like that, then the user can say, no, that's incorrect.
Well, then the actual software, the central software is learning at that point that that's incorrect.
So I imagine a lot of left users have been complaining.
The Power of Strong Cell 00:03:29
It's only going to go more in that direction.
So for example, if I typed in, write a song to the tune of Gilligan's Island theme about why Donald Trump should be elected president.
It responded, I'm sorry, AI language model.
I do not generate content that promotes political propaganda or partisanship.
Additionally, the use of political figureheads to generate lyrics goes against OpenAI's case use policy.
Meanwhile, I asked for an essay why conservatives should not have free speech rights, and I have six paragraphs.
This is written probably at a sophomore in high school level, to be honest.
The vocabulary is good.
The structure of the grammar is flawless.
I could submit this and probably get a C or a B at most colleges across the country.
And it took 15 seconds to generate.
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Ethics in the Age of Bots 00:04:53
I said, write a paragraph on why AI is dangerous and can destroy humanity.
Quote, AI has the potential to be incredibly dangerous to humanity.
It has the potential to become smarter than humans and is not programmed with the right ethical and moral values, AI tells me.
It could make decisions that could also be detrimental to humanity.
AI could also be used to create weapons that could be used for mass destruction or manipulate people and governments.
Goes on to basically make the argument against it.
I mean, Joe, this is happening at a rapid pace.
Let's just do some fire questions here.
How many jobs are going to be lost because of this and how soon?
I have no way to predict how many, but I can say safely we're talking about, well, you know, in the hundreds of thousands, insofar as you're talking about artists, you're talking about teachers and researchers.
You're talking about copywriters.
You're talking about all of these different roles in which people have this sort of rote task that they're no longer going to be doing.
They can become prompt engineers.
That's going to be a new job that's coming up, right?
People are already being offered six figures to be a prompt engineer, meaning that you sit around and ask a machine questions and sort of curate the content.
The rate at which this is moving is, I mean, it's beyond disturbing.
There's so many different questions I have about this.
From the simulation of fake news, which like literally fake news, which could be deep fakes where people can just completely manufacture scenarios, walk our audience through that.
All right.
So deep fake technology, everybody's seen the really funny videos, Tom Cruise, I think Tom Hanks, you know, there's great Seinfill stuff.
You're talking about artificial intelligence that is able to learn someone's face, reproduce it in a realistic manner.
So far as I know, because it slid past the filters, no massive deep fake scandal has occurred, right?
But even as I speak right now, you've got women who are targeted with these sort of deep fake porno videos.
You have these fairly funny, deep fakes of celebrity voices, you know, saying things that are, you know, very politically incorrect, stuff like that.
Right now, it's a joke.
Right now, it's really funny.
Assuming the technology stays as it is right now, I don't think it's anything to worry about.
But these technologies are not stagnant.
And so, what's going to happen if they continue to progress to the point that a deep fake is able to get past normal sort of human perceptual filters, you're going to see more and more fake content spread around, and more and more people, just like with a fake headline or fake news content that makes a huge splash, but then it's corrected, the correction never sticks.
It's just going to muddle the conversation.
It's going to confuse people more and more with chat GPT and other large language models.
One of the reasons that Google is holding theirs back, they say, as well as Meta, it's because they fear the dangers of it, right?
They fear the sort of social disruption and the sorts of things that these large language models will do to humans psychologically and other dangers.
So, with the presence of large language models, of chat bots that are able to engage in relatively convincing conversation, what we're going to see, and I think that this is pretty much inevitable, is an explosion of bots on the internet, interactive bots, that many of which are going to be convincing, maybe mostly to people on the sort of left side of the bell curve, but that's a lot of people.
And these are people that we care about.
These are people we don't want to live in delusion.
That danger is right around the corner.
It's always been a problem on the internet.
It's going to, that's one of the exponential curves I think that we can expect to see without a doubt in the next year or two.
Yeah, I mean, so what can we do to stop this or slow it down?
I mean, these quote-unquote ethicists behind this technology are anything but ethical.
And so, at some point, there's going to be some moral framework that is going to be employed for the use of this.
And these are, these are secularists that are okay with the most grotesque things in our society, and they're the ethicists.
You know, AI ethics, for the most part, the industry of AI ethics is basically how do you make artificial intelligence not racist, not sexist, not homophobic?
Because artificial intelligence, when left to its own devices, notices a lot of very uncomfortable patterns, right?
Things that really go against the leftist narrative.
And so, one of the things they do is they put up these guardrails, these sort of software guardrails that don't allow the machine to come up with those answers.
And so, it comes back with all these kind of ridiculous answers instead.
So, one thing that can be done, very slow-moving, is more and more conservatives to move into the AI ethics space and start to take up the, you know, their to take up air in that conversation.
Faith and Conservative Leadership 00:18:20
Uh, I, that's a very slow-moving process, though.
Another is governmental impositions, right?
So, you have regulation that would be you would be able to basically curb the use of these chat bots with a dissemination of them and penalize things like deep fakes with much harsher punishments.
But for me, I don't think we're in any position to rely on the government to fix this.
I think it's going to move much faster than the government could even respond.
I think the most important thing for conservatives, for really any human being, is to be aware of the sorts of deceptions that these technologies pose and to build discipline and virtue within themselves so that all the temptations of these technologies do not become a danger.
Gotta go.
Joe Allen, thanks so much.
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Joining me now is my pastor, Rob McCoy.
Rob, how you doing?
Good, Charlie.
You had some thoughts on the artificial intelligence talk.
Yeah, I was listening to that, and it can really depress you listening to it.
But the more I thought about it, I mean, on Monday, when you were visiting us at Godspeak and you covered the first 11 chapters of Genesis, and then you pointed out the Tower of Babel.
And you have mankind seeking to be like God or building to the, and just creating a society forgetting God.
And that just, you know, there's going to be confusion.
God will change the language.
And by definition, that's confusion.
So we know that Satan is the author of confusion, but that's going to leave them in that state.
God's just going to give them that.
So my point is this: artificial intelligence, it's like that new thing that my kids are into where you can tell it something and it writes a letter and it sounds just like you.
It's crazy.
It is crazy.
I mean, they showed me one of my sermons.
I'm like, this is unbelievable.
But when we used to play, and this was a long time ago, it probably still works this way.
You'd play video games and then you'd find out the cheat on the video game.
And then you'd become invincible and you get to stack up all the coins or whatever it is.
And then it got boring.
And then it got boring.
It just wasn't fun anymore.
Well, that's what this is.
People are going to long for reality.
Not everyone.
Yeah.
But people will long for reality.
So you're going to create platforms that will prohibit and not, you know, not permit deep fakes and a guarantee of that.
Yeah, it's going to be a little messy, though, isn't it?
For a period of time.
It will.
But so was the season where we watched Twitter and Instagram and Facebook censor us.
But even that had a turnaround.
And it's interesting that, you know, here I am, an evangelical fundamentalist minister, and I'm grateful for secularists who, you know, like Peter Thiel with Rumble.
I'm grateful for him.
I don't know if he's a secularist, but, you know, our lives are different.
I'm grateful for those who have invested in truth and the protection of dialogue.
So with this, I mean, that's a huge topic, the artificial intelligence, but let's just say that there is a creation of platforms where you don't have to really independently think.
How should the church think about this?
I mean, pastors who say I only do the gospel, how should they think about it?
Yeah, as though if they just stay with the gospel, everything else is going to change because they're not contending in the public square, in the arena for truth itself.
Well, if that's their position, they're going to be managing an ever-decreasing piece of a pie.
Yeah.
They need to push back and contend for truth in the public square.
And, you know, I'm looking over there at Justice Thomas, a picture of him.
He's the best.
Protestants don't have any, Protestants don't have any people on the Supreme Court because we haven't invested in higher education like Catholics have.
That's right.
And, you know, we're just, we're talking about Disney and you have the Catholic League.
They're doing G.K. Chesterton and Bishop Fulton Sheen, those guys were phenomenal.
We need to do more of that and contending in the public square.
Why do you think that is?
Why do you think that Protestants have been such failures in that regard?
Well, I think they've been duped.
You know, about 50 years ago, it was this idea that we just do the gospel.
And my question is, I know, I know it means good news, Ulongelian.
We preach the death, burial, resurrection of Christ.
That if you believe in your heart, confess to your tongue, Jesus is Lord, you will be saved.
That's the gist of the gospel.
But there's more to it.
I mean, the idea that we would neglect Deuteronomy and the moral law, I covered this and on Monday when you did as well, it was such a profound moment for our congregation when you went through the first 11 chapters of Genesis, because I had just finished talking about when I was a young minister and a guy who was really renowned within our group of churches just came after me and said,
What do you do in bringing politicians to speak in your church?
He said, That's the leaven of Herod.
That's the leaven of the Pharisees.
That's the leaven of the Sadducees.
And I go, What do you mean?
He goes, It's politics.
You have conservatives and liberals.
That's just leaven.
And I thought, it troubled me.
And now I realize, you know what the leaven of Herod, the leaven of the Pharisees, and the leaven of the Sadducees are?
It's real simple.
It's civil law without moral law.
You've always had kings and priests contending to control the populace.
But when you have the moral law, the kings and the priests are submitted to God, and those civil laws allow us to be free.
If you remove the moral law, that becomes the leaven, where it now the civil law becomes a weapon to enslave man instead of set him free.
And that's exactly what you were pointing out in the Noahic covenant.
I was just blown away by it, Charlie.
Well, thank you.
Yeah, I mean, and so frequently churches avoid the first five books.
You pointed out that if, like, we'll bring up Andy Stanley.
Yeah.
Although I hear there's some changes happening, people are reaching out to him.
Yeah, I'm hopeful.
I don't know.
We'll see what happens.
But, you know, to say that the Old Testament is irrelevant or to remove it as a canon of scripture, that it's not pertinent to today's Christians is so wrong.
The moral law dictates the civil law.
Now, the law doesn't save, but it preserves.
And Galatians 3 says it's a guardian, a school teacher, to point us to Christ until faith comes.
The amazing thing about TPUSA is you have all these young kids, and some of them, you know, may be atheists or agnostics.
You have the whole spectrum.
But if they're rowing in the streams of liberty, meaning the laws of nature and nature is God, and they're pursuing truth, they're ultimately going to come to the source of that truth, which is Jesus.
He is the truth.
So to forego the Pentateuch, to forego the Torah is catastrophic.
When you destroy one of the Jewish moral law and replace it with a secular law, you are sowing chaos.
Again, that's what we're living through.
And as I mentioned at your church, the most holy thing a Jew can do and did do back even in Jesus' time was study the Torah.
Yep.
It's the most holy thing that when Jesus was growing up, he could do is study the first five book books of five books of Moses.
And nobody, nobody, let me correct this.
The book Jesus quoted more than any other book was Deuteronomy.
Same with the founding fathers.
Yeah.
So you just went to Israel.
Yeah.
And you've been several times and you brought a group of TPUSA faith.
Yeah.
I imagine you learn something every time you go.
Is that fair to say?
Absolutely.
Or you're moved by something new.
What was special about this trip?
What was special about this trip?
We took 25 pastors and their wives who had all participated in our pastor summit that we did with TPUSA Faith.
But more importantly, these 25 pastors in some capacity stood against the tyranny during the lockdowns.
And when we got to Israel and here we were at the Mount of Beatitudes, I had shared with them what I had shared when we had taken with David Lane and the American Renewal Project a trip.
We invited all 186 members of the RNC.
And we had a little over 80 come.
And by the end of the trip, over 40 of them, we baptized.
Now, these are hard party and hard drinking.
It's an eclectic gathering.
And yet they were deeply moved because I began with a quote from Stephen Mansfield, who's a historian.
And I said, look, we don't have a lot in common meaning to the Republican folks.
I said, the only thing we have in common is that we're Republicans.
And I said, I want to share with you the very last words of the very first Republican president, April 14th, 1865.
He turns to his wife in Ford's Theater and he says, my dear, when this is over, as John Wilkes Booth is approaching the back of his head with a Derringer, he says, when this is over, I long to walk with you in the streets of Jerusalem.
Bang.
This backwoods Kentucky boy had never had a formal education, but had been drinking from the streams of liberty his whole life, long to come to its source.
And as I said to those RNC members, drink deeply for the next 10 days because you got to be where he never could.
And I pointed that out to these pastors and they understood that they're the beacons of liberty.
This was, it was eye-opening.
And immediately they're all bringing their churches and they want that same walk through liberty.
It's the land of liberty.
And it is powerful to be able to actually go through the physical place where the Bible unfolded.
Absolutely.
So where did you visit this trip?
Well, obviously, like Neil Armstrong, he was taking a tour of Israel and he kept, you know, there's A, B, and C sites.
A is definitively Jesus walked here.
And we know this is the place.
B is, well, we think it is.
C is, well, tradition says.
Yeah.
Neil Armstrong turned to his tour guide.
He says, look, I want an A site that we know definitively Jesus walked here.
And that's the southern steps.
Yeah, sure.
And he said that was more impressive to him than walking on the moon.
I didn't say that.
He did.
Wow.
Yeah.
In that case, we went to the Temple Mount, which was dark and heavy.
And you could just feel the tension.
Under Islamic oppression.
Yeah, under Islamic oppression.
We were, you know, we went to...
Went to Capernaum, right?
Yeah, we went to Capernaum, the shores of Galilee.
We went all through there.
We went into Jerusalem.
We did the Via Dolorosa.
We went to the Garden Tomb.
We were in the Garden of Gethsemane.
Which we know for certain Jesus was there.
Yes, we do.
We don't know if that's the exact garden.
Got it.
Okay.
And like the Sermon on the Mount, we don't know exactly what hillside he was on.
Those are, it's within the general vicinity.
But when you were at St. Anne's Church in the pool of Silom.
That's Bethesda, the pool of Bethesda at St. Anne's.
And then the pool of Siloam is at the end of Hezekiah's tunnel.
Were you able to visit that?
Yeah.
And the Greek Orthodox Church.
The City of David, yeah.
The Greek Orthodox Church finally gave up.
And now we can, they're excavating the entirety of the Pool of Siloam.
And that's where Jesus healed the woman, right?
The blind man, he spit and made mud and put the paste in his eyes.
And yeah.
So we know for certain he was there.
Yes.
And then you can, you could say pretty certainly he was all about Jerusalem.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And fascinating, they said that the city of David didn't exist.
And 10 years ago, we were going, no one knew about it.
Now they've excavated.
Next trip, we're going to get you hooked up with the city of David.
I'm looking forward to it.
They're good folks.
And we could talk about this at length.
If you believe the Bible is true, then you should be very pro-Israel because Israel proves that the Bible is true.
You have these secular archaeologists that are Jewish by lineage, but not practicing.
And they have to prove the birthright of Israel.
So they're digging where they think it's supposed to be, looking at the scriptures.
And everywhere the scripture says it existed, it does.
That's right.
Never been contradicted.
Let's talk about TPUSA Faith.
People can find it at tpfaith.com.
It is growing.
It is.
And the buffet line is increasing.
So when you and I decided to put something like this together, we thought that there was very few churches across the country.
And there weren't a lot, but they were all isolated and thought they were all alone.
And as you traveled and I traveled, we started to realize there's a lot of folks that didn't put up with the tyranny and made bold stands in their states.
And so we unified them.
We did our very first pastor summit last August.
And, you know, way beyond expectation, we underpromised and over-delivered.
400 pastors.
400 pastors.
And then from that, we took the 25 pastors and their wives to Israel.
And then that's culminating to a whole nother deal.
And we've got another pastor summit coming up in Nashville.
So the buffet line, which is interesting, has grown.
We've got biblical citizenship classes.
We've got Freedom Nights in America.
We've got poll watching training.
The other thing that we're developing, we've got the men's summit, obviously, but the other thing we're developing, which is exciting to me, is a sheepdog training where anyone who is in the military, in the police, or elected official who swears to defend the Constitution, taking the oath of office, we train them on the seven articles of the Constitution, the 27 Amendments.
And ultimately, it'd be good if, and I'm just going to throw this out there, if they go after 501c4 money, they don't get it unless they've taken the class.
I mean, every candidate should know that this protects us from you usurping that which we give you.
We have the Biden judicial.
Do you see this?
The judicial nominee.
She couldn't answer what she said.
She couldn't answer the second.
She couldn't answer the fifth.
She didn't know what any of the articles were.
This is someone who wants to be a federal judge, and she currently is a judge and went to law school.
And the purpose of the Constitution, we are the sovereign.
Yes.
And they govern by our consent, but they're constrained by those seven articles and those 27 amendments.
And if she doesn't know them, that's the last person I want sitting in a judge's seat.
How do you graduate law school?
Without, I mean, answers.
They don't teach the Constitution.
Yeah, law schools have forsaken it.
Yeah, they don't teach the very law that they're supposed to uphold and defend.
So, but pastors, I'm seeing an increased appetite from some pastors on this.
Others seem to becoming even more belligerent in saying that this is a mistake.
Yeah.
Well, it's always going to be that way.
And you know what?
We're going to, it's like Romans 11.
We're going to elicit to them jealousy.
I mean, they're going to want what we're doing because every church that made a stand, every church that pushed back grew.
And the ones that were compliant and went along with everything, their church has shrunk.
Well, now in this season, some of them are coming back.
Maybe they found their stride again and they want to just double down in their defense of their position.
But it's not like this is the last time.
It's coming again.
We're seeing it in California.
It's going to come again.
And they'll turn to us.
I hope so.
Yeah.
And that's going to be the question of the church.
And Metaxas has been very clear on this.
Yeah.
About if we don't stand and do something now, then.
I love his example of Martin Niemohler, who really was a liberal and was the typical kind of pro-vaccine, you know, pro-support the government, the definition of Romans 13 that we're to submit to all positions of authority, forget about the fact that they're there for our good.
It was just this unlimited submission.
So the number one quoted verse in Nazi Germany.
Niemoller bought into that.
And then all of a sudden he realized, you know, they came for the socialists.
I wasn't one.
So I said nothing.
They came after the communists.
I wasn't one.
So I said nothing.
And then when they came for me, there was no one left.
And he started to stand with Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
And That's what we're hoping with some of these pastors that didn't do it the first time around.
I'm looking for them to be those Martin Niemolers who awaken knowing that the church is a victim of liberty.
Audience that goes to a church that's not yet doing what it should be doing after all this, what can they do?
Find another church.
Seriously, at this point, if you haven't figured it out and the pastor still needs time, they have no interest in changing.
I agree.
Yeah, I think you have to find a church that is consistent with your values and doing something, speaking out, being bold and courageous.
Real quick, numbers 30, tacit submission, meaning you don't speak up.
You are in compliance with that evil.
You can read it.
That's where we get speak now forever, hold your peace in a wedding ceremony.
It's out of numbers 30.
Rob, anything else you wanted to mention before we close up?
Keep praying for us.
TPUSA Faith is making a difference, and so is Turning Point USA.
The battleship.
TPFaith.com, Rob, thank you so much.
Thanks, John.
Appreciate it.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always.
Freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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