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Jan. 30, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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REWIND: Candace and Charlie on the Past 10 Years
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My Pronouns Are Z-Zerzim 00:05:25
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Candace Owens, what are your pronouns?
My pronouns are Z-Zerzim today.
Today.
Somebody asked me the other day, they said, how do you respond on a college campus if they require you to state your pronouns?
How would you respond?
If like you're in class or if you're-class or just some sort of like mandatory environment.
I probably would drop the course because if you have a professor that's supposed to be teaching you that's asking you something that's that stupid, you're probably not going to get much out of the semester.
You see the FBI Twitter file where the FBI agent Elvis Chan had his pronouns in the middle of it.
It's so embarrassing.
What embarrasses me is I just picture the Kremlin, right?
Sitting around when these things, like they must be having a good time.
You know what I mean?
Like we're not being taken seriously on the world stage anymore.
And that's what I always think of.
People that are adversaries of the United States have to be sitting back and laughing, going this country maybe has 10 more years when they, when the FBI starts putting pronouns in their bios and emails like pretending to be important, we're not in a good spot.
I mean, it is kind of the worst aspects of modernity.
The Twitter files, what's your original, like, what's your initial takeaway from that?
We already knew it.
I mean, I'm glad that we got more specific.
Like Charlie Kirk.
Okay, yeah, we figured that one.
I'm sure Candace Owens as well.
We're all on the list.
We know this.
We've been saying it for years.
It's nice to have the world have to acknowledge it and stop pretending that we're all conspiracy theorists.
You know, they say that the difference between the truth and the conspiracy is about, give it six weeks.
Because it's that short now.
It used to be two years.
It's mostly about five minutes these days.
But so, yeah, that's nice.
It feels good to have the press have to acknowledge that it wasn't just existing in our own heads.
But there wasn't anything I was surprised about.
I think I'm most excited for the Fauci files because that was a psychological experiment like we've never seen before.
And it just required total obedience.
And the social media companies were complicit.
And I'd like to see how far Dr. Fauci went if he inspired Elon Musk to say that my pronouns are prison prisoners.
Give us a shot.
And he said my pronouns are.
Oh, that Fauci for prison or something.
Fauci for prison.
And so for Elon Musk to tweet that when he's already been in the files, he has my attention.
That's all I'll say.
So before we go any further into that, Candace, you brought me to a meeting with Jack Dorsey.
I did.
We talk about, we have not talked about this in a very long time, but I talk about it on my show.
And I tell people, and I have so accurately assessed Jack Dorsey because I kept saying that I think people turned him into a boogeyman because he never really spoke out.
Like Mark Zuckerberg is very in your face.
I'm the CEO of Facebook.
And he's just very easy not to like because he looks like a lizard.
But Jack Dorsey was sort of quiet.
He had the Buddhist thing going on.
Right.
I'm sorry you've interrupted my meditation hour.
And I think that people thought that he was much more evil than he was.
And that my take from having met him several times was that he was very much a person who does not like attention, a techie, like just exactly what you would imagine somebody who was just a pure techie to be.
And he didn't know how to deal with this thing that he did create to make people more freer.
And he was almost like held hostage at his own company.
When you and I met with him that summer, I mean, you read him super well.
And I remember afterwards, we were walking in that kind of Twitter headquarters area and you said... Nice campus, by the way.
It was amazing.
And you said, Stockholm syndrome.
You said, this guy is being held captive by Yoel Roth was not in the meeting, but by these kind of engineers.
What do you remember from that meeting?
Because I remember some.
I wish I would have remembered more.
I just remember feeling like he was not in charge, which was a very weird thing to come in and to meet the CEO.
And I remember he was kind of slouched over.
He bites his nails.
This is not somebody who was confident.
It was somebody who had created something that was bigger than him.
And I felt bad for him.
And I knew that was such a weird thing to feel because you were supposed to hate everybody.
It was like, oh, hate him.
He's a part of this social media.
And I'm like, I don't think he likes Mark Zuckerberg.
I don't think he likes what's happening to his company, but he doesn't, he doesn't have that sort of a spirit to stand up to wrongness.
It Is Natural For Men To Lead 00:15:27
Not every single person is a warrior.
And I think it's very hard for warriors to understand that, right?
Because we sort of say, this is wrong.
I'm going to go into the fire and I'm going to take all the bullets.
And that's my perspective.
And it's become increasingly so since becoming a mother.
That's not the average person, right?
And Jack Dorsey is someone who has the, embodies the opposite of that spirit, who kind of probably wants to sit behind a computer and code, who created something that other people on the outside who were much more nefarious saw an opportunity.
And he was essentially held hostage at his own company.
And that's been Elon Musk's assessment too.
He doesn't think Jack Dorsey is a bad guy.
And I've always held that opinion.
He's not a bad guy, but he was the wrong guy.
He's definitely weak in some ways.
And it sounds like an insult, but there's a lot of weak people.
A lot of weak men.
Our society is suffering because we have an incredible amount of weak men and women, right?
Women who think that they're being strong because they've destroyed every remnant of their femininity.
And that actually renders a woman powerless.
That's your innate power as a woman.
All of these attributes, these God-given attributes that you have.
You know how to nurture.
You know how to care.
You're beautiful.
You're feminine.
And I spoke about this on stage today.
And then you have people that are telling you, rinse yourself of your superpowers and be something else, which renders you a weak fool.
And men are suffering from the same thing.
Where do you think that comes from on the woman's side?
It's the dogmatic approach to the education system.
It's the cultural understanding that there are different pillars.
So I would say that culture and education are probably the two biggest pillars that contribute to that.
And broken down families, I would say family is another pillar.
And so when you don't see two parents that are together embodying what it means to be masculine, embodying what it begins to mean feminine and what it means to come together, right?
How symbiotic the nature of those two things are.
And you instead hail from a broken home and then you go into a broken education system, which is teaching you these principles that are so backwards and so wrong and are never going to make you happy.
And then when you get out of the school system, it's reinforced by the culture, right?
You're watching movies and woman king.
What is that?
I don't know what that is.
What do you mean, a woman king?
What are you saying?
Right.
And so there's this push to psychologically confuse people and in the process, render them unhappy and weak.
And then as a body, and then it happens simultaneously with men, because then the excuse I get from some of the young ladies that we have at Turning Point USA is, I have to be strong because the men around me are weak.
Which is sad.
And by strong, that's not even the strong in the way you say, but I have to be masculine.
Right.
I have to become a masculine person because I cannot find a strong man around me.
Yeah.
And that kind of is that long-term suffering that women are going through, right?
Because we want strong men.
And so, despite the psychological conditioning that tells us you should want a man that's neutered, who wants like a dog that's walking around with this tail in between its legs?
You're not, if you're not.
The tail of the wrens would.
Maybe, yeah.
But could you imagine what to the park where you just saw like little dogs like this walking around with their tail in between their legs?
You're not like, I want that dog, right?
You, when you see a dog and you see how strong they look and how fortified they look, there's something that attracts you to it.
So women are rendering men weaker.
And then they realize, I don't want this man.
I actually don't want this neutered specimen beside me.
And it, like I said, renders people unhappy.
And yeah, we hear it all the time from young women that listen is that I pursued my career.
I'm in my early 30s.
I can't find a man.
They're all terrible around me.
And now I'm super confused, unhappy, or whatever it is.
Right.
And kind of going back to the Jack Dorsey, Jack Dorsey is a great example of the type of man that we have.
They might be successful, might be earning a wage, but there's no strength.
Yeah, there's no strength.
Poor testosterone.
But that's not true.
And the thing is, is that a part of that is because women aren't allowing men to lead because they're being taught not to allow men to lead.
And I'm a firm believer that you let men lead.
It's natural for men to lead in the world.
And it's natural for women to, despite what people think that happens, women lead in the household.
And we are the CEOs of our household.
There's something natural.
You understand it now because you have a child.
Our inklings towards a child.
Totally different.
Men are just, I look at men sometimes with an infant, and I'm just like, wow, you know nothing.
And yet I have this innate force that comes over me that I just know what to do when I see a child, right?
But then men have these amazing strengths, like the things that my husband thought about when we, like, I was thinking about pampers.
Did he have enough onesies?
When was he going to need the next size up?
What were we using in the bathtub?
My husband was thinking about his college fund and the will.
And I'm looking at him going, where are we?
And this is it.
We are coming together as men and as women and giving this child every perfect opportunity that they need in this world.
It's so similar.
We were already like, okay, every month, this much is going to go in that bank account.
Now, for us, it wasn't a college fund.
It was a don't go to college fund.
But that's just my own little worldview, right?
But it's the same sort of thing.
Future.
And Erica was like, this is what we have here.
And this is the room needs to be this perfect temperature.
That was me.
That was me.
Yeah.
The mess needs to be protected and the sound and the whole thing and the sleep cycles.
It's so natural.
You just step into it.
There's nobody.
It's not because you learned it.
It's not because of the patriarchy or the matriarchy.
It is natural and it is beautiful and it is wonderful and everybody should aspire to it.
But isn't it just, I mean, this is, again, I'm kind of on this theme with a lot of our guests of how we've messed up modernity because there's some great parts of modernity, right?
I mean, there's some great parts of being able to say, you know, I have a headache, I want an Advil, right?
Or being able to have a refrigerator or air conditioning, right?
But we're in a place now where we feel that we have to change nature.
And I think that makes you deeply unhappy.
Yeah.
Well, the thing about technology is that it's a double-edged sword, right?
So it renders you freer and weaker at the exact same time.
If you don't have to get up and perform certain tasks, right?
You lose the ability.
It's this whole old school perspective.
If you don't use it, you lose it.
Well, we're losing it, right?
Because we live in this tremendous time of privilege, right?
There's no calling upon us, you know, as I always talk about my grandfather when he had to get up in the morning and in order to make a living.
This is like, if you are going to eat today, to survive, here is what you have to do.
You have to get up at 4 a.m., right?
You have to lay out tobacco to dry in an attic.
You and your 12 brothers have to figure it out whether you're selling oranges on the corner.
And that makes a person a man because they're constantly working with their hands.
Well, Jack Dorsey's never worked with this.
I mean, I don't want to assume this, but I think we can safely assume that his existence was very separate from my grandfather's.
Yes.
Right.
And so that is a double-edged sword when it comes to technology is that it also renders us more lazy, where they were required to work hard.
Everything was working hard.
You know, the old, the old school story from your grandparents, I walk 10 miles to school every single day.
You cannot even fathom that today.
The kids are so privileged.
And it actually makes the children sadder in a way.
And I spoke about this on stage.
I said, you know, I remember the 90s growing up outside, playing outside.
It was just so no smartphones.
No smartphones.
You know how to make imaginary friends.
The land before smartphones was so much more social.
And it's ironic that we call these social media companies when, in fact, they render people antisocial.
They don't want to go outside.
They don't know how to have a conversation.
They don't know how to look people in the eye.
Dating now is a swipe, right?
You don't have to develop that courage that it takes to walk up to somebody and say, Hi, I think you're very beautiful.
Can we go on a date?
And maybe you'll get rejected.
It doesn't feel good to get rejected, but it actually makes you a stronger person to understand that this is how it happens, right?
It's super healthy to get rejected.
It's healthy.
You can hide behind your phone and go, okay, it doesn't matter if they swipe because I don't even know if they swipe left to me.
So they think they're sparing themselves these emotions and you might be temporarily sparing yourself to these emotions.
Then you go out in the world and you have to deal with the person face to face and you combust.
I mean, I see it, unfortunately, at our events, some of these kids that are totally antisocial.
And I mean that as lovingly as I can.
And these events, I think, are actually helping get the juices flowing and get the muscles improved.
But the ability to kind of dialogue, it's if you were to have kind of like a secret camera, not a secret camera, but just like a 35,000-who camera of just the behavior, even our conference, 10 steps, look at the phone.
Five steps, look at the phone, even around other people.
Well, the thing is, you said an important word there.
You said the ability to dialogue.
Everything now, because of our smartphones, is a monologue, right?
So even when you think that you're speaking to a bunch of people to the world, you're actually just talking to yourself, right?
You're holding up a black screen and you're saying, Hey, here I am in my bedroom, and I'm talking to you about whatever.
You haven't actually had a conversation.
You may have reached 100,000 people, but you just, you just spoke to yourself.
You stood in front of a mirror and you spoke to yourself.
And so that is why it is encouraging antisocial behavior.
People don't know how to communicate anymore.
It's rendering people massively less free, massively less happy.
And we have to do something to transform it.
And I think the easiest thing to do, if you're a parent, is to commit yourself not to allow your child that reliance.
Yeah, I mean, that's what we're committing to do.
It's going to be hard is to keep it.
It's going to be easy as hell for me.
Yeah.
I mean, I just only hard is that because it seems like all even the homeschooling stuff, the curriculums on iPads and Chromebooks and just.
I think it's going to be easy for me.
And I think the greatest thing to tell people is that all of those people that are giving you these social media apps send their kids to schools where they're not allowed to have iPads.
And that is something people don't know, that they all go to schools where they're not allowed to have iPads.
They're not allowed to have smartphones because they know that these things are evil.
And it makes it less likely that their children are going to become successful.
Because if you don't know how to go out and communicate with people, what are your chances of becoming successful in society?
Eventually, you are going to have to come out of your shell.
And they don't have an ability to do it.
So for me, I've always just been dead committed to not allowing my children to have smartphones.
You can hate your mom.
I don't care.
I'm not here to be your best friend, right?
I'm here to parent you and to give you the best opportunities that I can in this world.
And the best opportunities come from true self-growth, from being able to understand and to feel assertive in who you are in the world, right?
Not to be on TikTok learning trends and dances and posting it for like dopamine hits that goes away because then you're going, oh, what's the next thing I have to do for this next hit?
These are, these are drugs.
And there's a wonderful article that talks about the psychological immune system that has been so broken down, right?
That all of these data points are essentially, they're called digital toxins, right?
And people are sick.
You have a biological immune system and you also have a psychological immune system.
And people don't think about that when they're on social media.
And I think about it all the time.
I know when I need to tap out for a couple of days.
Yes.
I turn my phone off from Friday night to Saturday, take a Jewish phone Sabbath.
Oh, so that's I do it every weekend.
I love that.
Right, Andrew?
I'm unreachable.
I do it.
Yeah, we all use the Jewish term, literally unreachable.
Sometimes I go all the way to Sunday.
It's amazing.
It keeps me saying, oh, it's fabulous.
I also track my screen time and I break through it almost every day, but it's a reminder just to kind of see how I did.
And I become a happier person.
And it takes a while to kind of get used to it because it is a drug and you become so addicted to it.
So how do we go about solving this, though, more macro?
I mean, talk about the social media aspect of it, the kind of cultural aspect of it.
I mean, it seems overwhelming.
I would say we don't solve it macro.
We solve it micro.
And that's the problem is that when we, and this goes, speaks right to the heart of what conservatives believe, right?
We believe in freedoms for the individual, not that a government's going to come fix it, right?
We don't need a macro, so we need a micro solution.
So I always say to people is don't become so overwhelmed with saying, how am I going to fix it on a macro scale?
If you decide what you will allow in your household, if every single person decided, I will never allow this in my household.
It's a little act of defiance that amounts to a lot.
Yes.
Because it can seem like too much.
How am I going to solve the COVID?
Everything's shut down.
The mask is a little bit different.
I think you're exactly.
I said, I'm not going to mask in my house.
We had a baby nurse come and she was wearing a mask.
And we said, we actually, you don't need to wear that mask.
And she said, well, I want to wear the mask.
And we fired her right on the spot.
Yeah.
Because you're not going to look over my crib.
I can't control what you do out there, but I can't control what you do in my house.
No, a child should not see someone in a mask, period.
It's unless you live in Saudi Arabia or something.
And even then, it's kind of demented and weird.
So, but, you know, honestly, what gives me hope is that there were.
Did I get you that with that?
That's very, it was funny.
I could still make Candace Owens laugh, everybody.
Just a subtle, demented and weird.
Moving on.
But you're right, because despite all the propaganda, all the incentives, all the force, tens of millions of people made a micro decision saying, I'm not going to take the mRNA gene altering shot.
You were a leader on that.
I refused from the very beginning.
They tried to fire people, intimidate them.
Thankfully, I was in a position to say, you know what?
There's nothing really you could take away from me.
Okay, wow.
I can't, you know, travel to Turkey.
Like, okay, that's, that's terrific.
But a lot of people were faced with that.
And still, I think 40 to 50 million people did not take a dose of it.
That's a sign of defiance.
In a good way, though.
Micro-defiance.
Yeah, it was micro, right?
Because it wasn't like this big overarching thing.
It was 40 to 50 million people at 70%.
And that's what we know.
Many people got fake vaccine cards that said that they got the shot that I know.
They really didn't want to.
But even them, I put them in a category.
Yeah.
A lot of 40, 50 million people said, you could take whatever you want from me.
Yep.
Yep.
I was from day one, absolutely not way too educated when it comes to vaccines, properly educated, not what you learn in school and your doctor says educated, but properly.
I've done the research.
I understand.
I mean, I say to people all the time, LOL, if you think El Chapo and Pablo Escobar are the problem, what they wanted to accomplish, our government did.
They wanted a relationship so they could move drugs with the government.
They wanted to be able to control congressmen and be able to control the president of Mexico so they could move their job in Colombia so that they could move their drugs.
We did that in America.
That's exactly what Big Pharma is.
Congratulations.
It's an incredible market.
They demand your children take every single vaccine.
What once started as six is now 74 before they get out of high school.
The childhood schedule is unbelievable.
My children are not vaxed.
I'm very vocal about that.
I did not vax either of my children.
If you think that you're going to change my mind about that, you won't.
You're welcome to disagree.
You can roll up your sleeves.
You can, and I believe in freedom.
If you want to give your children 74 vaccines and wonder why there are so many autoimmune diseases and kids were never this sick.
I mean, you have to start to employ critical thinking and common sense.
Okay.
When I was a kid, there was maybe one kid that had a peanut allergy.
I didn't have any kids in my class who had gluten allergies.
These kids have never been more sick.
Okay.
So I employed common sense and then I researched and it wasn't for me and it wasn't for my family.
And shame on you if you think that the whole COVID thing was the first time that, you know, Big Pharma lied to you.
It's time for you to wake up and go backwards and start to realize when did this start?
Because when I say that there is a medical cartel, I mean it.
When I say that Pablo Escobar's ambitions are now taking place in America, what El Chapo wanted to accomplish, we have accomplished in America between the FDA and the CDC and people whose pockets are being lined because they trade on that information, right?
Down to Nancy Pelosi's husband.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
There is a real sinister thing that is happening and children are suffering because of it.
And that does not make me anti-pharma.
I believe in medicine.
I'm not a person that's...
Well, I'm anti-pharma is in Kurt's current state for sure.
Every Emotion Gets A Pill 00:05:36
Yeah, but I mean, if I'm like dying and I'm sick, am I going to take a pill?
Sure.
But I understand that a lot of drugs are designed to make you reliant on drugs.
And we're facing a crisis because of that truth.
And all they ever have to do is pay a fine.
The only good crisis.
Big pharma just paid a fine.
You know, no one's in prison.
Yeah.
The drugs are designed to create more dependency on drugs, which is a segue to the amount of children on psychiatric drugs in our country.
Oh, gosh, don't even get me started.
Why is it that conservatives don't ever talk about this?
Because it's not a left or right thing.
You know, I know a lot of people that are conservatives who give their kids drugs.
And I talk about it on my show.
Like benzodiazepines or Zoloft or Proza.
I said it tends to be that the kids that they tell you need to take Adderall are the smartest kids.
Well, I mean, I was.
And you were one of those kids.
Yes, that's correct.
Right?
Look at what you've done with your life.
Imagine if your mother had listened to that advice and had drugged you on Ritalin because, oh, well, he's not sitting down and he doesn't want to study math for three hours.
Yeah, I mean, he's six.
What six-year-old boy?
Boys have so much energy that he's being normal.
He can't sit in his seat and study his paper.
That's a normal six-year-old.
Okay.
He has a lot of things going on in his brain.
He wants to go outside.
Got a little bit of energy.
A tiny little bit of energy.
Allow your child to grow up.
And yet they give him a diagnosis.
Oh, well, if your child doesn't want to sit down, he's got ADD and here's a drug that you can give him.
And it's such a serious drug, you know, to give your children Adderall.
Six-year-olds are being given Adderall.
But there are also, there's six million children that are on either benzodiazepines, which is a very aggressive antidepressant.
Yeah.
By children, I mean under the age of 16.
Okay, just so we're clear.
Now, there's even more if you've got under 18, okay?
Prozac, right?
Xanax, the girl.
Xanax.
Xanax.
Zoloft, right?
I mean, you go through the list, and then, of course, Adderall, Ritalin.
And we don't even, we can't even comprehend what this is doing neurologically to kids.
Of course.
It's making things infinitely more worse.
America didn't become less depressed when we started handing out all of these children.
I became more depressed, actually.
Of course, because that's how it works.
You need more and more to get that feeling of high because you haven't actually dealt with that, you know, that underlying sadness.
If there is underlying sadness.
You're 12 years old.
Like, you might be having a bad day.
They prescribed me Xanax when I was 18 years old and I broke up with my boyfriend.
I thought it was the end of the world.
And I cried for three days.
And my dad drove all the way to pick me up from college, university.
And they prescribed me Xanax for being sad over a breakup.
And thank God I had a girlfriend at the time in my dorm when I came back with that prescription who said, why are you going to take this pill?
And I said, because I'm really sad and I can't stop crying about this breakup.
And she said, okay, but why can't you stop crying?
I was like, oh, because I love him so much and I'm so sad.
And she said, well, if you know why you're sad, it's just a human emotion, right?
You're going to have to learn to deal with that human emotion.
Every time you get a human emotion, you get to take a pill.
Like, oh, I feel anxious for a stuff.
I have a test.
It's okay to feel anxious because there's something happening.
It's okay to feel sad.
That is God gave you these senses for a reason.
You're happy.
You're sad.
And they're fleeting.
And there's a wonderful Louis C.K. clip.
I don't know.
We're not allowed to speak about him, I guess, now because of me too, whatever.
He's hilarious.
And there's a clip that you should go pursue before he got me too.
And it is, it's Louis C.K.
And the clip is entitled, Why I Don't Allow My Children to Have Cell Phones.
It's a wonderful clip of him talking about that.
That you have this beautiful biological design that even he likes talks about how he pulled over, he just cried and he cried and he cried in his car for no reason.
And then he said, And then right after he was done crying, this overwhelming relief and happiness came over him.
Like your body, like the happy came to meet the sad, right?
Stages of grief are real.
Yeah.
They work in a cycle, right?
And people don't know how to allow their bodies to do that.
Just not to go too off the beaten path.
Xanax is an extremely powerful drug.
It's crazy.
That neurologically is basically a thought stopper.
Is what it does.
Scary.
Is it slows down all of your ability to process and neurotransmit any form of emotion?
It is the closest thing to turning you into a zombie-like figure that we have in kind of just the modern, you know, it's not over the counter, but prescribed.
And there are tens of millions of Americans.
Forget children on Xanax.
Tens of millions.
And then there are, and I've had mothers write to me because I've talked about that on my show because there's so many young girls that are taking this.
And I think it's cool where it's like, oh, I need a Xanax.
I need a Xanax.
It's become this like culturally cool thing in a weird way to talk about the fact that you take Xanax and they don't realize how severe that is long term and that they're going to have to be able to deal with that emotion of anxiety that they have.
And moms say to me, well, you don't understand.
Like my daughter was going to kill herself.
She was so stressed about finals.
If your daughter, if you legitimately think that your daughter is going to kill herself over taking finals, you need to withdraw her from school.
You don't need to give her a pill.
Like there, that means that she's overwhelmed, right?
There's another solution than to giving her a pill to help her deal with the pressures from school.
And so it's a conversation.
And I don't judge mothers.
I know how hard it is to be a mother and you do the best that you can.
And obviously, I'm at the beginning of this.
And who knows, I might have a 16-year-old I'm going to kill myself over a final.
But we do have to have the courage to have the conversations about what big pharma has done.
I mean, I totally agree with that.
And you have from the vaccines to the pharmaceuticals to now, if you look, if you were to kind of be able to have a Project Veritas secret camera in New Jersey at Pfizer headquarters or wherever, they're sitting around a table and they're saying, okay, let's look at our 10-year growth trajectory.
And wow, profits were really good these last couple of years because we were able to get everyone mandated on the vaccine.
The Next Thing Is Medical Assisted Dying 00:07:34
And then they say, well, you know, what's going to be the big growth opportunity?
And they say, well, Lupron.
And in the Pfizer table, they say millions of kids are going to be taking sex-altering drugs that will then make them chemically imbalanced.
And then we'll be able to give them all these other variety of drugs.
I guarantee that conversation is happening.
Of course, it is 100%.
Forget the cosmetic procedures that they never really heal for hail from, that it throws their body into early aging, osteoporosis.
So there's so many drugs that they are going to have to be on to deal with it.
And you can't just mutilate your body and think everything's going to be fine.
No, it only chopped my arm off.
It's like a buffet line now of how many people are.
You become a client of the, you are an holy operator.
I read somewhere that you're like $25 million for the rest of your life will be spent on just drugs.
Yeah, absolutely.
And then beyond that, so then they, you know, they can't afford it.
And I've spoken to people that are formerly trans, they can't afford it.
You know, so they're on Medicaid.
And then another huge thing that's coming that needs to be talked about, and I have been talking about this for the last year and it's getting more and more sinister, is the MAID program up in Canada.
What do you mean?
Medical assistance in dying, or the doctors are just killing people.
Doctor-assisted suicide.
Physician-assisted suit.
Somebody just got signed off to be killed, right?
Right position is a suicide because he's poor.
Yeah, so this was the Dr. Kvorkian thing back.
I think it was the 80s, right?
80s or 90s.
Doctor death.
Well, it's back and he's here.
And Canada is killing thousands of people every single year under the MAID program.
You have this happening.
And it started with just people that are terminally ill.
And then they opened up the laws and they said, okay, well, also, if you don't think that they're psychologically okay.
And so there have been articles after articles I've been covering with on my show: people that are just allowed to kill themselves.
It started in Switzerland.
Now it's in Canada.
And this is what's going to come down the pipeline in America: that if you're just, oh, I'm sorry, did the Lupon drugs not work?
And now you're suicidal.
Well, here's a pill.
They're going to start killing people fully.
And the fact that there are doctors that are signing off on this man did a whole article in the Daily Mail the other day about how he just got a sign-off from a doctor to die because he was poor.
It's just like, I just don't want to be poor.
Could you imagine a doctor signing off because you don't want to be poor?
Do you realize how scary that is?
Is he dead now or the government?
Is it scheduled?
No, he needs one more doctor sign-off.
You have to get two sign-offs from doctors to kill yourself in Canada.
Yeah, I mean, I guess I hate to be more, but the obvious question is, what's stopping him?
I mean, just like, go find a train.
Yeah, no, well, because this will be comfortable.
You'll be in, you'll be in the hospital.
You'll be comfortable.
You don't have to worry about any of that.
You'll be comfortable.
Yeah.
And this is, and people are arguing for this.
I mean, to hear the arguments that they're having in parliament about this, it's being argued in the UK as well.
This is what is going to come down the pipeline of big pharma: they are going to be mass killing people, but they're going to convince people to kill themselves.
And don't ever doubt their capacity to do this.
They have just now convinced people that they can pick their gender.
Okay.
They convinced people that they should be afraid of a two-year-old breathing if it wasn't masked and to freak out on a plane if you saw a child breathing.
If you don't think that that same new structure has the ability to convince people to kill themselves, they're already running commercials of people that have already killed themselves being like, they used a woman as a spokesperson for this, and they ran a beautiful commercial of her voice in the afterlife being like, This was the best decision I ever made.
Charlie, it is sick.
I'll send you a link for it is sick.
Where they're trying to make it like, imagine like, you know, how big pharma commercials are always like running through a field.
Always.
And then like on the side of the dandelion with some like middle-aged man.
Yeah.
That dandelion with middle-aged man.
It's it's in Canada right now and it's it's to kill yourself.
She's like, I just knew it would make me freer.
It makes me feel more free.
They're never wearing shoes in those commercials.
Do you find it weird?
They're always like, they're always barefoot.
Exactly.
Yeah, I think that's what they're going to do.
What kind of weird, like John Lennon universe do you think we're living in?
I know.
It is like the beginning of the year.
There's no war.
There's only peace.
Like, actually, you know what?
No, taking whatever the latest Viagra or whatever is not going to get barefoot with a dandelion.
It's very strange.
But this is, again, it kind of goes back to this theme.
I mean, Alfred K. Moot, who was, you know, wrote about, he was not able to answer the question of what is the point of existence.
The secularists that run the have basically run the West, this is where it leads.
It will lead to mass subsidized, popularized suicide.
Yeah, absolutely.
If they've already made it palpable for women to rip children out of their wombs, like it's nothing, like it's a form of birth control.
Of course, they are going to also make it appetizing for people to kill themselves.
And it's sort of like before the trans thing blew up, I was on it five, like, I mean, from the beginning, everyone was like, this is not a big deal.
I'm telling you the news.
They're white early.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, like, as soon as I started, I was like, I don't, this, this demonic thing is what's around the corner.
And it happened overnight.
The next thing is going to be medical assisted dying.
And it's going to be doctors signing off on these kids in mass that are trans realized that they've ruined their lives.
They're sexually dysfunctional.
They actually know the doctors lied and you can't just stop puberty, pause puberty, and they're going to mass kill these kids.
There is nothing.
And say the word that they use is dying with dignity.
That's the phrase.
There is not a secular argument against this.
There is a Western religious argument against it.
They call it dignity.
You've got to see the commercials.
They're so sick.
They're so sick.
How do we stop this?
Well, we talk about it and we make people realize that the way that it's going to encroach its way into America is the same way that it encroaches its way into Canada.
First, they say it's the terminally ill who are suffering and are in pain, and then they go back and they vote and they start to erase parts of that law.
And then they run some fluffy commercials.
They get a few celebrities.
Obviously, you always have to involve Hollywood to say who will still be living by the way.
Yeah, and tell you how much, oh, it was so great to see their mother die with dignity.
Will Farrell's going to tell you to kill himself while he's still alive?
Yeah, pretty much.
And they'll try out the celebrities.
And you, and again, it comes down to your own household.
It's making sure that we as Christians have those conversations with our children and that we have that religious argument and that we make people understand how precious life is.
And unfortunately, this has not been an argument that we have won up until now, really.
I mean, the abortion, it feels like we finally scored a win with Roe v. Wade, but it's coming.
It's coming down the pipeline.
Trust me.
So you've had a big year.
I want to close out the conversation.
You welcome the other child into the world.
I did.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
She's a little angel, baby Louise.
I know the feeling.
Yeah.
And which is great.
And so what did you learn this last year?
Man, I feel like I haven't.
I ask every guest this, by the way.
So it's not sorry to put you on the screen.
No, no, it's it is a great question.
What did I learn this last year?
I feel like every single day I learned something new.
And I think this year, it's been the last two years, I would say, since I've had two kids in two years, it's been learning about myself.
You know, I think that is what motherhood is.
It unlocks something in women.
It's a superpower for women.
You suddenly realize your purpose.
And that's such a weird thing.
When you go back to that question of why am I here, right?
This sort of existential question.
Suddenly, it is so perfectly in picture when you start a family.
Yes.
You just go, I know exactly why I'm here.
I know exactly why I'm fighting.
And I know exactly why every single second spent fighting matters.
And so that has been the lesson.
I've learned why I'm here.
I totally agree.
I believe 99% of the people who ask why I'm here are childless.
Because they're plugging into a system that's meaningless, right?
Yes.
It's meaningless.
Just being college, getting degrees and meaningless degrees, and then not being able to drink until 2 a.m. or whatever.
It's a meaningless existence.
And then the family is what it's all about.
Yes, it's real.
Trump Loyalists Split And Get Angry 00:06:14
So 2024 is coming up.
It is.
You made some headlines.
I have.
Are people saying I should be the president?
Is it me?
You're running?
It's me.
No.
You could run.
You know you could run.
I run every morning.
I can run.
It's a fact.
She's not old enough.
Yes, I am.
How is she going to start rumors about me on the side over there?
Exactly.
It's a compliment to say you're not old enough.
Oh, thank you.
Think about it, though, right?
That's so silly.
You're never to guess a woman's age or something.
Now I love you.
You're supposed to round down.
Yeah, he was rounding down, but I'm not running, so it's all irrelevant.
Yeah, I know.
I'm like 22.
So how should we think about 2024?
You know, I'm not confident about it at this moment.
And I've been pretty vocal.
I know people get very angry because there's a lot of emotions in the American climate right now.
But I think we have to be very serious that the Republican Party is splintered for better or for worse.
And that we have to be able to have an honest conversation about why it's splintered.
And I think that there's just too much infighting, you know, and that we become our own worst enemies when it comes to the infighting.
And the left is so good at being in lockstep and getting behind each other, no matter what, no matter how bad the villain is, right?
If Gavin Newsom runs, they're all just going to get behind him.
Yeah.
John, who can't speak.
Right.
And right now, we have people that we don't have the same messaging.
We don't know who the leader is.
We don't know who the person is that we're all listening to.
And it's problematic.
And the reason for that is, you know, it's twofold.
First and foremost, we are more independent.
We're not like the left, right?
That's a good thing is that we are so independent, but we come up short when it comes to elections and when it comes behind us needing to all support one another for the purposes of saving this country.
So I don't know.
I feel like I don't want to make any prognostications about 2024.
What about you?
Well, I think we're in a tough spot.
I mean, we were asking some of the people outside and there was a lot of pro-Trump, but I mean, at least from our audience, it's increasingly split.
Yeah.
And I've been saying this for last year because I speak all over the country.
And then when I said it, when I said to people, hey guys, here's what I'm seeing, you know, like people that were Trump loyalists are splitting and they got angry at me.
It's like even saying it.
And I'm guys like, okay, well, if we, if we can't admit to the problem, we can't fix the problem, right?
We can't be following.
I want to defend you, Candace, because I think some of it's unfair because no one's defended Trump more than you.
No.
At a very, you know.
High level.
Yeah, at a big cost, right?
You were the one that went with me to UCLA while being screamed at by those apparatchiks and defending Trump during all the BLM stuff and during Floyd.
And so I just think it's a little bit.
And I say people, if you care about Trump.
It's unfair to say that.
But I think, look, the sentiment as you're saying is like, I want the country saved.
Yeah.
Right.
If you care about Trump, you can't lie about what's happening.
And people think that this is a form of caring about people.
You just lie.
But also, we shouldn't act like the NFT thing was good.
That was horrible.
And the thing is, is people have listened to me one month before, we wouldn't have gotten here.
My assessment has been that there are people that are around him, I don't know who they are, who are not looking out for his best interests.
No, I would go further.
I think there might be saboteurs within his circle.
I think they're looking at their own financial interests and that they are trying to sabotage his election.
And I think that because he has emerged from this past election rightfully angry, it's righteous anger, you know.
He doesn't know who to trust and he is trusting the wrong people.
That's my read.
That is my take on it.
And I think that he has to transform that anger back into what we loved, like the funny, right?
He was so lightweight.
When he was self-deprecating.
Yes.
The best, one of the best lines ever.
And this was like Trump in his stride.
When they go through all the Republican candidates, what's your call sign going to be when you're president, right?
Ted Cruz says something, you know, super academic and Jeb Bush has it all perfectly.
And they go to Donald Trump because they all have like these little things.
And Donald Trump says, my name will be Humble.
And you're like, that's why I love you.
Yeah.
And it's just like the funny moments of like when they would make fun of his hair.
And remember when he got off the plane, he's like, oh, he gave like a speech and he was like, you know, I think I do a good job combing my hair.
He was just so funny and lighthearted.
And you can sense a heaviness in him now.
Which is understandable.
It's understandable.
Because it is righteous.
Your bank was stolen.
I mean, your kind of bank account was stolen.
But I think that for those of us that love him, and I mean that, and defend him, we want him to be the magnanimous, positive Trump.
I think the best revenge for Trump is not to be bitter.
Yeah.
And it's hard not to do that.
And that's why that was really largely bringing it back to my message on stage tonight, was I said to them to the students tonight was be happy, right?
Yes.
That is what pisses the left off.
That's what it is.
That's why they hated Trump in 16.
He was so happy.
You got this like really like just deteriorating old woman who's just awful who's raising all this money.
And then there's this happy billionaire.
It's like, ha ha, whatever.
He's like, 10, well, just got 10 feet taller.
You should be in prison.
That's right.
You know, like these little one miles.
Like, what line, what liners do we remember recently?
None.
No.
And so, you know, I say these things publicly because you just have to hope that he hears it and understands that it's coming from people that have loved him the most, that have supported him the most.
And you have, that's true.
But we just can't be delusional.
We can't pretend that this is good.
We can't pretend the party is united.
And hopefully, he has a wake-up call and realizes that there are people that are not out for his best interests.
I feel like the equivalent, it's like 1859.
And we're like, hey, if we don't sort this out, like the Confederacy and the Union, like, there's going to be like, shut up, racist.
Like, no, no, like, there's going to be a lot of blood.
That's how I, that's how I feel.
I'm like, hey, guys.
And they were so angry.
They were like, I'm never, he, Trump made you.
I mean, Jenna Ellis was a whack job.
I was like, are you kidding me?
I was like, is she crazy?
Might be, probably crazy.
You know, how dare you speak against the king?
I was like, okay, well, if you care about him, you might.
Happy Warrior God Bless 00:02:44
No one made Candace Owens.
Let me just be very clear.
I know.
I saw it on YouTube.
Let's be very clear.
Red Pill Black.
Red Pill Black.
Look me up.
That's right.
So, but I say this from a position of, I want the Trump that was no holds barred, that was 16, 17, 18 energy.
Right.
And I want that back because I don't think bitterness wears well.
You always said be a happy warrior.
Yes, I know.
He was a warrior and he was happy.
And now he's a warrior.
We just need him to be the happy warrior that he was.
I hope he can get there.
Candace, your podcast is doing very well.
Tell our audience about it.
Thank you, guys.
You just find it.
Is this just called Candace Owens?
It's just called Candace.
It's just called Candace.
It's like Oprah now.
It's just one word.
I think it's Candace Owens.
Guys, all I know is there's a podcast, and it definitely might be Candace or Candace Owens.
I think it's just Candace.
I think it's just Candace.
Like, share.
Yeah.
Maybe I dropped the Owens.
Oh, maybe, you know, I think it's, I don't know.
This is really not good.
I shouldn't have made my own podcast.
You would think, no, I say welcome to Candace Owens for sure, Candace Owens.
And it's five days a week now, which is amazing.
I'm loving the podcasting space.
I love that.
It's sort of like having a diary, you know, anything that pisses me off.
Oh, I love podcasting.
I thought you were always made for podcasts.
Honestly, I was shocked that I had five days a week.
It is Candace Owens.
I'm just, I'm just, I'm just so, it was Candace for a while, and then we changed to Candace Owens.
So you're right.
That is, that's accurate.
And yeah, so it's Candace Owens.
It's fair days a week now.
I love it.
Yeah, look at that.
It's like I have a great, what?
Haters in the building.
You're not subscribed?
Oh, my gosh.
You're just out of my soul.
I told the truth, though.
Yeah.
You did.
You did tell the truth.
But it's good.
We're having fun.
And I think that people will really love it.
The format is completely different.
And it is really mine now.
Like, I get to do what I love every single day.
That's awesome.
Praise God.
And I think we're going to be doing some more stuff, but I'm just going to tease.
Yeah.
We have to make sure we have a big announcement.
Oh, big.
We're just going to tease a little bit of tease.
The team might be getting back together.
We'll see.
We'll see.
It's like the 90s bulls.
Jordan went to go play for the Chicago White Sox for a little bit and then came back and won three more titles.
I was thinking the Spice Girls when they did a tour.
Who?
The Spice Girls.
Spice up your life.
Every boy and every girl.
Spice up your life.
People of the world.
Spice up your life.
Ah.
Slam it to the left.
90s Bulls, everybody.
Spice World.
Rodman, Pippin, and Jordan.
Baby Spice.
Scary Spikes and Ginger.
God bless you, Candace.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always.
Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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