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Jan. 16, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Ask Charlie Anything 131: Who Qualifies as a “Groomer?” Autism Sex Ed Classes? The True Meaning of Wokeism?
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Genesis 1 Through 11 00:09:16
Hey, everybody.
Today on the Charlie Kirk show, I take your questions.
It is an ask-me-anything episode.
And so, as I take your questions, we walk through all the different dynamics here of grooming, a take on Genesis 11 and more.
And also, the religious components of postmodern post-structural wokeism.
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Somebody said, Charlie, I really enjoyed your conversation on Genesis.
Can you do more of it?
How do you believe Genesis applies to our times today?
And so I just want to preface this by saying I'm by no means a biblical scholar.
I do not speak biblical Hebrew, but I do study the word and I love it.
And I'm actually spending a lot of time going deep into the Torah, which means teacher, through a mixture of commentaries, rabbi teachings.
Dennis Prager's rational Bible is terrific.
And then applying it to today, because what does the Torah or what does the Bible have to teach us today?
And the answer is quite a lot.
So to answer the actual, the question is one take on the kind of beginning of the Torah of Genesis, which is Genesis 1 through 11.
So Genesis 1 through 11 is very unique.
Genesis 1 through 11, you could argue, is the ultimate issues portion of Genesis.
Not to say that ultimate issues are not part of Genesis 12 through, I think Genesis goes to 50, right?
Genesis 50 chapters, not mistaken.
Genesis 12 through 50.
But it gets very historical, very literal, starting in Genesis 12.
And it's just abruptly says, God spoke to Abram, do this, do that, leave your father's home, take Sarai as your wife.
You know, one thing after the other, after the other, it gets very literal, and the genealogy begins.
But Genesis 1 through 11, at times, can seem somewhat abstract.
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
That's very literal.
But then it gets to the Garden of Eden and Cain and Abel and the sons of Noah and the Noahic covenant.
And then out of nowhere, if you read the Bible, and I encourage you guys to read the Bible in one year, you could do that with my wife's ministry, Biblein365.com.
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You read Genesis 9, all kind of flows.
God's coming with Noah.
Then you read Genesis 10, which is the table of nations, which is kind of this lineage.
And then you read Genesis 11, and it kind of comes out of nowhere.
So in Genesis 11, it says, Now the whole world had one language and a common speech as people moved eastward, they found a place in Shannar and settled there.
Now, this is not about the Jews or the people, or the sons of Noah.
The Jews don't really exist as a people yet.
They have not been given that covenant.
Abraham or Abram has not yet existed.
So it's kind of this one-off story.
And it's a very interesting story.
It's the story of the people of Babel.
Now, many of you know the story of the Tower of Babel, but that's actually not the correct telling of the story.
It's more accurate to say that it's the city of Babel.
It says here, come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly.
They used brick instead of stone.
And by the way, I'm using the NIV version, New International Version.
If that's not your version, then use the one you're comfortable with.
Then they said, quote, come, let us build ourselves a city with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that they can make a name for ourselves.
Otherwise, we'll be scattered over all the face of the whole earth.
So, really, they were building a centralized community, they were building an urban metropolis.
Now, there's a lot of emphasis on the tower aspect, and some of the reading is they were trying to build a tower to challenge God.
That is one reading, but that's a little exegetical, to be honest.
That's the way I was taught the story, and it doesn't necessarily say that.
It does say, Let us make ourselves a name.
So, they were trying to do something big and bold and ambitious, but by not honoring God.
That's the first lesson.
You should do things that are big, bold, and ambitious, but you cannot ignore God.
That was the first mistake of the Babel, would end up becoming the Babylonians or the people of Babel.
But the Lord came down to the city and the tower they were building.
And the Lord said, If as one people speaking the same language, they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.
Come, let us go down and confuse their language so that they will not understand each other.
Now, Babel literally means confusion, Babel, which EL is God, and Bab is confusion, if you go to the Hebraic root.
And so, it basically is God confused you.
So, the Lord scattered them from all over the earth, and they stopped building the city.
Again, not stop building the tower, but stop building the city.
And that's why it's called Babel or Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world and from there scattered them over the face of the earth.
You can make a rather robust argument that the Torah and Thomas Jefferson both hated big cities.
Thomas Jefferson wrote, I view great cities as a pestentennial to the morals.
I'm sorry, I don't use that word every single day.
What does that mean?
That's an interesting word.
That is not, Mr. Blake would know because he went to Dartmouth.
Pestilential.
Jeez, that's not a word I use every single day.
Okay, to the morals.
The health and the liberties of men.
True, they nourish some of the elegant arts, but the useful ones can thrive elsewhere.
And less perfection in the others with more health, virtue, and freedom would be my choice.
Jefferson also said, I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural.
And they will, as long as they shall be vacant lands in any part of America, when they get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, they'll become corrupt as in Europe.
Thomas Jefferson said, he's saying the same thing that is the lesson of Genesis 11.
The mobs of great cities add just so the support of pure government.
As soars do the strength of the human body, it is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigor.
A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats at the hearts of the laws and constitution.
Centralized government, centralized power by man bothered God.
God made a deliberate attempt to value the decentralized over the centralized, to value the local over the dictatorial.
Think of the biggest cities in America: New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.
They are the least religious.
They are the most craven.
They are some of the most miserable.
They are some of the most immoral, some of the most murderous, some of the most dangerous places in America.
Some of the most dirty, some of the most filthy, filthy, some of the most depressed.
Now, some people would say, well, Charlie, Phoenix is pretty big too.
Ah, you're right.
It's changing.
But it's not by population.
You see, Phoenix used to have height restrictions on buildings.
Phoenix always had a horizontal growth strategy, not a vertical growth strategy.
Phoenix used to say, go west, go buy land, go develop your community, go own an acre.
That's why Maricopa County is one of the largest counties in America.
You see, one of the political lessons of Genesis 11 is God does not like massive structures of centralized, clustered geographic power.
One of the takeaways is that geography can impact your spiritual life.
Now, I'm sure some of you live in New York or Seattle or Portland and are listening to this and you might disagree.
Geography And Spiritual Life 00:02:22
But I could say in my own personal life, I live a more fulfilling, a more purposeful, and meaningful life.
The more disconnected I am from urban chatter, from density of population, the more connected I am with God's creation, nature, the happier, the more joyful, the most peaceful, the more peaceful I am.
And that's one of the things that God is saying here.
And if you're trying to create a political community, do not try to make it urban metropolitan.
And boy, the founders understood that really well.
And we've butchered it.
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Pamela emails us, Charlie.
I started calling local teachers groomers in my local school district.
It did not go over well.
They asked for examples.
We got in a fighting match.
Anyway, can you give me some examples of what is grooming and where does it come from?
Love your show.
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Okay.
So yeah, I'm going to show you an example here of something.
And I got to give you a fair warning.
Predators Among Us 00:04:09
This is not a topic that we air lightly, but it is something that happened.
I want to get the exact specifics, though.
I want to get all the facts 100% correct before I play this tape.
So first, what is grooming?
So, there are three types of people in the world, and there's more than that, but in this particular category, there are infants, there are protectors of infants, and there are predators.
Those are the three types of people.
So, you could go into one of those three categories.
Now, in the West, because we do have a Christian inheritance in the West, now you might not like that.
You might be an atheist, you might be secular, you might be anti-Christian, but the values, the norms, and the customs that are baked into Western tradition and Western law is thanks to a robust Christian influence.
That Christian influence has certain customs that we just kind of believe are standard.
For example, the rich having some sort of obligation to give money charitably to the poor.
That is not a custom found in every culture.
It's not normal human behavior.
It is inherited from a Christian tradition.
How about this idea, this magical idea of natural rights?
We take the natural rights doctrine for granted as if every culture or custom can come towards it.
The 11th and 12th century was full of legal scholars that were steeped in Christian tradition that were pouring over the scriptures that came to verse after verse talking about human equality, human egalitarianism, natural rights theory that largely gets attributed to John Locke is actually an inheritance from robust Christian theological teaching.
And to be very perfectly honest, largely Catholic.
And I'm very pro-Catholic.
I'm an evangelical, but I think the war on Catholicism is not helpful or fruitful.
You can have disagreements.
I certainly do theologically, but there's a lot of anti-Catholic sentiments out there that I'm not a fan of.
And so there, you move to the next variation of this.
You can go to example example.
The one that is the most obvious, though, is how do you treat children?
The treatment of children, traditionally, ancient civilizations would do the following to children.
And it wouldn't just that they would have one-off examples, it's that they would endorse it, they would tolerate it.
So, for example, you would either sacrifice children, you would eliminate children that are not genetically compatible with the long-term success or prosperity of your tribe, or you would sexually prey on children.
In ancient Greece and in ancient Rome, but in particularly ancient Greece, it was well known that in the elite of society, rich men would have women for childbirth and boys for pleasure.
It was Christian norms and customs that broke this.
Children no longer being sacrificed.
Why?
Well, a repeated theme by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is you must protect children.
It's better to have a millstone hung around your neck than to interfere with a child.
That's a big deal.
Okay, so there are three types of people: infants, the protectors of infants, and predators.
It is the moral right of infant protectors to use force to go up against predators.
We now allow predators to become teachers to use influence to go after infants.
Okay, so there is this guy by the name of Dylan Caput.
This was a webinar on autistic sex education.
Not exactly a topic I anticipated to be speaking about on the Charlie Kirk show.
Now, he was talking to parents, and this is him.
He's definitely in the predator category.
Dylan Caput, cut 100.
If you are a parent, again, this is my offer to like, I will happily come talk about masturbation with your autistic child.
I've done it with many autistic children.
The Anti-Aging Enzyme NAD 00:03:26
It brings me a lot of joy.
And it's kind of, if it makes you uncomfortable because you're like, I'm a parent.
I am not that child parent, and I'm happy to do it.
Okay, so this is Dylan Caput, who is offering to parents that he finds joy, that's his word, not mine, in teaching minor children who are autistic how to masturbate.
So remember, three types of people: is this guy an infant, an infant protector, or a predator?
I think it's rather obvious.
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Penance And Wokeism 00:15:37
If you read the literature, and I have to give repeated and continued shout outs to Dr. James Lindsay.
He is a friend, and I don't use that word lightly, by the way.
And he is so smart.
And obviously, we have different religious beliefs.
I'm honestly so over some people in our email box.
Charlie, I'm never going to listen to James Lindsay again because he's not a Christian.
First of all, he knows the Bible better than most Christians.
He's open-minded.
He's a beautiful soul.
He's also wicked smart.
It's like saying, I'm never going to get on an airplane unless the pilot is a Christian.
Of course, I mean, he's a brain surgeon of wokeism.
He sees the tumor, knows where it is, and knows how to remove it.
And he's also just a pleasant person and is really sweet.
So I think that whole line of attack is really silly and not fruitful nor helpful.
But anyway, James Lindsay has told me as he reads the literature of Hegelianism and of what they believe is necessary.
They believe that initiation is necessary for progress.
Think about that.
Initiation, that's not a word that you use all the time.
When you think of initiation, what is the circumstance or the scenario that immediately comes to mind?
For me, it's fraternities and sororities.
Maybe you have a different immediate reaction.
When I think of initiation, I think of hazing.
I think of some sort of a process, albeit, that could mold or groom somebody towards a specific outcome.
Now, they don't like it when you call them groomers, but that's what they are.
And it's example after example after example.
This is not some one-off thing, whether it be the Francis Parker School in Chicago that was giving out sex toys, whether it be a sixth grade field trip.
This was just yesterday.
I want to make sure I get my specifics right, but I saw this yesterday on the wonderful postmillennial.com, a field trip of sixth graders that they were all pole dancing on a field trip yesterday.
Our team will get the specifics there.
I'm actually flipping through to try to see where it is.
Sixth grade, I think it was in Texas of all places.
Yeah, it is right here.
Detroit.
I'm sorry.
Detroit sixth graders pole dance during field trip.
Sixth graders.
Because again, the left believes that initiation of the youth is necessary towards their perverted view of progress.
Middle school teacher in Rochester schools allegedly took students to a strip club, sixth graders, where they tried out pole dancing during a field trip.
The story is now being publicized by a board of trustee member after the district has reportedly refused to address it.
Of course, the district's in favor of it.
Here's a very powerful email.
And this is why I tell people there's no such thing as white privilege.
It's nonsense.
There is Western privilege, though.
You are blessed.
I don't even like that word privilege.
There's Western blessing.
The fact you live in the West, you are so unbelievably blessed.
It is hard to put into words that the cynic or the ingrate, which means ungrateful, could possibly comprehend or understand.
I'll read you just this one email.
Charlie, I served in Afghanistan and they had T-boys.
The men would rape these young boys for pleasure.
It wasn't just some of them, they were their sex slaves.
It's part of their culture.
It's disgusting and there's nothing we could do about it.
The idea that we find that repulsive means that you are the inheritor of a moral tradition that is worthy of preserving.
The Greeks, the Romans, the Afghans, the Egyptians, the Mesopotamians, the Sumerians, the Aztecs, the Mayans, the Incans, some parts of Native Americans would exploit young boys and young children.
The idea that adults will protect kids is a rare idea.
Now, that's not to say that we're the only country that does that, of course not.
But Europe is an inheritor of that same Christian tradition.
Do you think children are protected in the Middle East?
Of course not.
I just use an example here of Afghanistan.
How about female genital mutilation?
That's widespread in the Islamic and the Arab world.
You think that children are treated well in China?
Of course not.
The idea that the adult, that the strong use their power to protect the weak, that is not common sense.
And this is one of the great, man, it is so unbelievably short-sighted.
And we're going to go about changing it.
If there's one thing I could change, it's to get Westerners to realize that what you think is common sense is not so common and it's not sensical to the rest of the world.
It, yes, is a mixture of Athens and Jerusalem.
It's that cliche that drives me nuts, but it is true.
Started by Harry Jaffa and repeated by many others.
But there is something that happened that came from the study of the scriptures that then gets implemented into what many Americans would just say, well, yeah, of course we protect children, obviously, duh.
And then you should ask them, where does that come from?
Why do you believe that?
Does Afghanistan?
Do parts of India?
Does China?
Does Ghana?
Does Senegal?
Some of those countries might, but most of them I know don't.
There are infants, there are protectors of infants, and there are predators.
In most nations, in most traditions, in most countries, the predators are allowed to roam free.
In fact, the predators are the elites.
We have been an aberration, the West, where the strong go against the predators.
And this guy, Dylan Caput, is a predator.
Full stop.
Dylan Caput giving a webinar to adults about autistic sex education.
I'm going to repeat the tape.
He also has entire parts of the seminar about, quote, teaching ethical pornography, where to find pornography and ethical porn consumption.
He says, I can't even see that.
I can't even say that on air, and nor do I want to, but talking about gay sex and things of that nature.
He says, I love the word masturbation.
It's one of my favorite words.
This guy really loves it, and he enjoys spending time around young children.
Let's repeat the tape just for emphasis.
Dylan Caput, who, just so you understand, though, Dylan Caput, outside of a Western framework, outside of the lens that you have been raised to look at the world from, that the left calls hierarchical and not hierarchical.
They will call it misogynistic and exploitive and colonialistic.
Outside of that lens, this right here, if you played this, many people in the Taliban would hear that.
They'd say, what's wrong with that?
Like, we rape boys all the time.
Repeat 100.
If you are a parent, again, this is my offer to like, I will happily come talk about masturbation with your autistic child.
I've done it with many autistic children.
It brings me a lot of joy.
And it's kind of, if it makes you uncomfortable because you're like, I'm a parent.
I am not that child parent and I'm happy to do it.
Yeah.
And also, I do want to be very clear.
And someone said, why are you playing it again in the live chat for emphasis?
Because now you'll never forget the point I'm making.
The point I'm making is the defense of children is not something that is passed down in the bloodstream.
It's not normal.
It has to be taught.
It's a value.
In fact, absent divine revelation, in my opinion, the passing down of that revelation, the state of nature is child sacrifice, child abandonment, child manipulation, or whatever Dylan believes.
And I want to be very clear.
I have no evidence that Dylan is sexually molesting the children.
I didn't mean to connect that with the Taliban and the raping.
I am saying, though, that the Taliban would find nothing wrong with sexually exploiting children, which he absolutely is doing as a predator.
Okay, email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
I want to get to this question here.
Charlie, I'm so sick and tired of wokeism.
Where does this come from?
I try to explain it to my friends and I fail miserably.
Anyway, love the show.
I'm trying to learn more.
And what book do you recommend for me to dive deep into it?
Thanks so much.
So anything by Dr. James Lindsay, race Marxism is really good.
But allow me to make a rather provocative argument about the need for divine revelation.
So there's some people that say that I am strict, they're strictly spiritual and they are not religious.
In some ways, I think that's better than being secular.
I will acknowledge that.
However, the question you should always just ask is, so what did your God that you believe reveal?
And if they can't tell you that that God has revealed anything, then largely a waste of time.
The Jews have a great answer, by the way.
They say the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob revealed the Ten Commandments.
He revealed the Tanakh.
He revealed the mitzvahs that many of our customs, our codes of conduct, our language was the basis for.
America, the founding fathers quoted Deuteronomy more than any other book, period, secular or religious.
That's a pretty big revelation then.
But if you say, well, my God hasn't, you know, or my God, the God I believe in hasn't revealed anything, then you haven't really thought very deeply about what you believe and why you believe it.
However, so let me build this out though.
So wokeism, in some ways, I actually would prefer secularism.
I know this sounds very provocative.
I prefer secularism over a perverted form of Christianity.
If you take a proper analytical lens on wokeism, it's actually misapplied Christianity.
So let's go through a couple givens to use a geometric phrase.
There's a God-size hole in our heart.
There's existential despair.
It's a very miserable generation.
And we are spiritual beings.
I believe all those things.
And I know almost all of you do as well.
Okay, so therefore, if you believe in those things and you believe that we have a God-size hole in our heart, and you believe that there's existential despair, then something is going to have to fill that void.
The power of what we call wokeism is not in their ideas.
It's not.
Because the ideas on themselves are insane.
But I had this kind of incredible breakthrough as I was reading their garbage literature because, and I've just been thinking and praying on this.
It's like, wow, I had this breakthrough that the reason why wokeism is so powerful is they have taken all Christian elements and repackaged them as immediate and temporal salvation.
I'm going to tell you about this.
It's brilliant what they did.
It was probably demonic and they didn't even think about that they were doing it, but they took the idea of original sin.
They took the idea of salvation.
They took the idea of penance.
They took the idea of egalitarianism and they packaged it under a postmodern, post-structuralist framework that was obviously based with Mercuza Derrida.
But they have hijacked the promise of Christianity and some of the premises straight into secular leftism.
And I don't think this argument is made very often.
The psychological and spiritual appeal of Christianity is universal.
And the wokeys realize that.
Why is it that what we call wokeism is so appealing that it's spreading?
Well, we have secularized our society and we believe there is a God-sized hole in our heart and that something else fills it.
And the kind of repeated version, which is technically true, is that it's communism, socialism, all the isms fill its part.
Government fills the role of God.
But let's go a level deeper.
One of the strokes of brilliance, dare I say, of the designers and the adapters of American modern wokeism is that they have appropriated Christianity and repackaged some of the functioning elements of it for their own woke Marxist desires.
So I'll give you some examples.
Wokeism operates a lot like religion would have in the Middle Ages.
Religious processions, for example, are dead, but wokeists love going to rallies and parades.
Wokeism involves fundamentally metaphysical claims, like no matter what, this is really a woman, even though it's not physically that way, but metaphysically they could be whatever they want.
Or how about original sin?
Instead of saying original sin, that we are all flawed because we're human beings, they say you are all flawed based on your tribal group.
So they just take original sin, which is a very compelling idea, and they apply it based on your melanin content or your sexual tendencies.
Christianity is an eschatological religion, which means it's a view of time or the end times.
Time has a beginning and end, unlike older religions.
Wokeism is just like this as well, though.
We're always one hill away from some sort of heaven on earth, from some sort of reushering of utopia here on the planet.
Just have to tear down another statue or destroy another remnant of old America.
Wokeism loves public confessions, just like how the early church handled wrongdoing.
And wokeism, though, one of the flaws of wokeism, not one of the flaws, but one of the big points of vulnerability is you can never actually properly atone.
That's why they say you have to be an ally.
For them, there is no redemption from your original sin.
That gives them unlimited and a perpetual power machine.
Now, let's be honest, for a lot of Americans, Christianity is compartmentalized, only going on Sunday type of thing, but it's supposed to be guiding your every act.
It's supposed to be your telos.
It's supposed to be your North Star.
And wokeism has definitely become that.
Every word that you say can be a sin against the religion of anti-racism.
So we have Nietzsche said, and he did not proclaim it, but he lamented in his famous allegory, God is dead.
He was not celebrating it, though.
And what have we replaced God with?
And Nietzsche warned, he said, hey, 20th century, you guys are going to have a mess on your hands because God is dead or he's dying.
And what's going to fill the void is not going to be good.
And what did we get?
Nazism, communism, Pol Pot, Maoism, 150-plus million people murdered, displacing civilization, intentional attempted extermination of God's chosen people.
Horrific, unimaginable tragedy because Nietzsche predicted, well, you should not clear that, because of the quote-unquote death of God or the de-emphasis of religion.
Churches used to be the head, the center of the village square.
Now they become kind of archaeological museums where people go and take pictures to go see what once used to actually have relevancy and meaning.
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We know a lot of people where their hobbies, their work, their friends, their relationship all now resolve, revolve around the religion of wokeism or the religion of anti-racism.
In the 1700s, it would be the church at the center of New Haven, Connecticut.
It would be the church at the center of Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
Now it is the woke temple that is at the center of the city.
Why is the woke virus spreading with such intensity?
It's because they've appropriated the tried and true and proven elements, both the physical, the metaphysical, the liturgical elements of Christianity and repackaged it in a heretical anti-racist religion.
Our schools used to teach a Christian worldview as a center of thought.
Now we teach wokeism from kindergarten on.
Met God-size hole that we have in our heart is trying to be filled by a man-made, clumsy, sloppy, diabolical, patched-together worldview.
The Christian saints replaced by the woke saints.
Thomas Aquinas replaced by Ibram X. Kendi, Harvey Milk, Nicole Hannah-Jones.
The church says, I just want to spread the gospel, but in reality, what they're saying is I'm too weak to call out the heretical religion of our time, the religion of anti-racism.
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