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Jan. 12, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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A New Job for the Pillow Merchant? with Mike Lindell and Thomas Massie
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Accountability for Election Fraud 00:10:05
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Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Mike Lindell joins us to make the case for why he should run the RNC.
And then Thomas Massey, one of the most honest and courageous members of Congress, talks about how he is going to let the dogs loose against the Intel agencies.
And I ask him bluntly, is he worried about his safety?
And his answer should send chills down the spine.
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Mike Lindell joins us.
Mike, you're a great American patriot.
Love having you on.
You're also running for RNC chair.
I have not had a chance to have you on the program to discuss that.
And I'm super glad you're running because we have to make changes with Ronna Romney running the RNC.
Mike, make the case.
Why should you run the RNC?
Well, it's like a big business, and I'm very good at running businesses and business with adversity.
I have over 2,000 employees and we've made it through some of the biggest adversity you could imagine.
And the RNC has not changed what they do based on their current footprint.
And I've checked, I've really investigated a lot of it now, but let's just take the big donors that don't, and the micro donors, they don't trust the RNC anymore.
We've had five losses in a row and five apps I give Rana in a row.
And when you take almost 40% of the money that comes from a donor and you're going to fundraising, the fundraiser and going to the person that runs the project in a particular state, that's like being a middleman.
That's way too much.
So you can fix that.
Also, the platforms, Charlie, within the RNC, I heard just an example.
You know, their machine that runs at your email blast and your text marketing.
I heard that the Gmails, just their Gmails alone, 90% were going into spam before the 2022 election.
Well, yes, granted, Gmails are almost 35% of all your emails.
And they are working on, they did go after Google on that.
So that was a good move they made.
But there's also 30 some other email platforms.
They all need to be looked at to make their all working efficiently.
And then I would, the first thing I would do too is set up an information hub like I have with my own cause of America, dealing with all 50 states on a weekly basis.
168 heads are better than one.
And I've been calling them all, you know, talking to them, finding out what they see as problems.
And also one of the biggest things that comes up is communication.
If you have something good going over going on in Nevada, you better let people over in Florida know about it too.
So that we and the other thing that I bring to the table is marketing and branding.
Yeah, I bring it.
Instant trust to the RNC, instant trust.
If I'm my, by the way, my, my, my wage would go right back into the RNC in its current form.
But I'll tell you, if I have to look a donor in the eye and say, hey, put money into this, it's like buying a pillow.
Every product I have, I use myself.
I believe in it.
Or why how would I, why would I dare go ask a donor for money, Charlie?
And Mike, you've been a donor yourself.
You've given serious money.
I mean, not just the RNC, but you've given, I would say, $10 plus million dollars to the effort of good and noble cause the last couple of years.
Is that correct?
Well, I put in, I put my own money, probably about 40 million the last couple of years.
Okay, well, I'm off by a factor of four.
No, no, I'm complimenting you.
That's so, so you're, you're invested here.
This is not a chance to extract.
You say, hey, I want my country to succeed and I want 40 million bucks.
Let's get this figured out.
100%.
And Charlie, you bring up the biggest point there where I'm the person for the job is if the RNC, one of the biggest problems is why did you have this when you should have had the biggest red wave in history, when Donald Trump should have overwhelmingly won, which he did.
But when you have all the platforms broken, when I say, you know, you need to have paper ballots hand counted, you need to fix the voter rolls, fix mail-in voting, all of these things.
Charlie, I've been working on this for two years.
I'm two years ahead of anybody on this.
And we have so much going on.
We have over 200 counties that have committed to going to paper.
But with those platforms, that manifestation of all the work of myself and others over the next two years is going to, you're going to see the fruits of that.
But so that part, I don't even have, because people say, well, Mike, we want you to continue going on that.
No, that's ready.
Now I just sit back.
I've got lawyers, everybody else working on that.
So that's a big thing that got fixed or that is getting fixed.
So all these other silos within the RNC, they'll be able to function not only better, but you will have a fair playing field.
That was one of the biggest things.
This is important.
I mean, Mike, running a $200 to $300 million operation doesn't intimidate you.
You kind of understand how to do that, right?
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, because these numbers sometimes, for someone who really has not that kind of experience of running big operations, you know, because for example, the financials came out and they're spending 700 grand on flowers and all that.
Now, they said that's a small percentage, but Mike, you running a big business know that it's the margins that make success.
That's right.
So talk about that.
Yeah, you know, it's I view every, I'll give you an example.
I view every one of my, I'm on over, I don't know, thousands of radio stations and podcasts.
But I view every one of them.
Like, what if it was my only one or every part of my business?
What if you had to rely just on this?
You want to make that part the best it can be.
And you're not only in the RNC right now, you're not just getting no return on your investment, but you're the money you are putting in, you better make, you better maximize that and look at each part.
You can't just say, oh, let's just collect more money because we're spending 40% on overhead.
Charlie, I've ran a foundation.
I set up my own about four or five years ago where it was in 104 countries and we were less than 5% overhead.
Now, that's unheard of, but that, but it's just, I'm just telling you, this is what I can do.
You want to make everything streamlined as best as it can be.
There's a thing called WinRED within the RNC and Data Trust.
Win Red, quite frankly, I think it's double what it should be.
That's a merchant server.
I've looked at that.
I'm going, why is it almost 4%?
It should be 2%.
Well, everyone says, well, that's the question of percentage.
But percentage or two, Mike, that's the difference between my pillow being profitable or unprofitable.
Absolutely.
And these numbers, when you're in business, you know, I'm going to tell you too: you duplicate your successes and you look at deviations.
Like my company, Charlie, 500 of my employees have my direct number and everyone says, What?
You're kidding.
Out of 2,000 employees, 500 have my direct number.
They will call me if there's a deviation, so we have communication.
But if I'm not hearing from them, I know that everything's running perfect.
Now, when I say that, is if you got all these states and territories, if you have a success or a deviation, hey, we had something really good happen here.
I want to know about it immediately so that I can reach out to everyone else and duplicate that.
Duplicate your successes.
If something bad went on, I'm going to let the other ones know: hey, we don't want to do this.
And when I talk about, I specifically talk about two is fundraising for the states.
And they've asked me as I've called these 168 as I've been going through them.
They asked me, they go, well, Mike, you know, Ronna gave us this and she promised us this money from the RNC money.
I said, well, I don't know how that works.
I'm not going to promise you that, but I will promise you this.
I will come to each and every state and territory and I will raise money there.
That's what I can do.
That's what I've done.
I don't take a fee.
I've been to all 50 states except for two in the last year alone.
And that's including Hawaii and Alaska.
So I take, I've been, I've been at the grassroots Charlie dealing from the grassroots all the way up to meeting with all the attorney generals and all the politicians, but mostly you're down at the precinct level.
And this is, and then up through the RNC.
And like you said, I've been an El Partsman.
I've been a donor.
I'm a little upset when they collect money in 2020, tens of millions of dollars based on, hey, we're going to look into the election.
We're going to look into election fraud and crime and election integrity.
And they never spent a dime on that.
There's got to be some accountability there.
So here's the test.
If I were to ask an average person, what is the my pillow slogan?
They'd say, well, it's the best night's sleep you'll ever have.
What's the RNC slogan?
That right there.
And that's just an interesting, you know how to market, Mike.
I mean, yeah, if you got a brand, we've got a slogan for the midterms.
What was the slogan?
Yeah, we for the midterms.
I don't know.
Why We Need New Input 00:06:37
Who does know?
But they, but the RNC, it needs to be, it needs a new brand.
It needs to be the brand of success.
And that's the first thing.
I bring instant trust because I know I can fix it.
Charlie, I did my due diligence and seen what was broken and seen what needs to be fixed before I even put my hat in there and knowing that I could do the job.
I care about this country.
I love my country.
And we can't lose the American dream because we're at the most critical time in history right now.
That's right.
If we don't change things now, it's over.
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So, Mike, a concern that one of our listeners has emailed us that I think is important to navigate is they're worried that you and Harmit are going to split the America first vote.
Now, I don't know how big of a deal that is because a vote not for Rana actually just lowers the threshold for Rana.
Walk us through that, Mike.
It's actually the opposite of what they're saying.
It's very important that we both are in this race because when you get to California and when they vote on the 27th, you have to have 85 of the 168.
So, and I believe that there are people, as I've been talking to members and they're saying, I'm voting for you, Mike.
They believe in me, everything I've done.
And Harmeet's getting the same thing, and she's talking to them all.
And so let's just, between the two of us, we need to keep, if you keep Rana under 85 on the first vote, remember, this doesn't, now you just go into the next vote.
The bottom person does not get taken off, Charlie.
So the vote, you just keep giving votes and votes, but I believe back with Ryan Spriebus, it took seven votes.
Now, if Harmee, I mean, if Rana is under 85, which I believe she's sitting now around 70, 75, that's what I'm, you know, by my best estimations.
And also, I want to tell everyone, there's no machines in this vote, everybody.
And it is a secret vote.
So people can say all they want.
They're out there that, you know, they might say just like they do with their president.
You might have some going, I'm not going to vote for Mike Lindell.
Or you might have some say, I'm voting for Rana, but they're really not voting for Rana because no one's going to know when that secret vote ballot goes in.
But Charlie, it's very important.
Let's say, which it will, it'll go to the second, it goes into the second vote now.
I don't, once you've left the Rana bucket, you're not going back in that bucket because now, because now we're there, both Harmeet and I have great change that we bring to the RNC because the RANA, you can't have the same input and get the same output.
You need a different input here.
I want to tell you right thing right now, this is something that if I was head of the RNC right now, and I'm not, but I'm the one getting the word out, there is something so terrible that could happen this Saturday to not just the state of South Dakota, but the RNC in general and our whole country.
And this is this, that we put in over the last two years, people at the precinct level, Charlie, and at the precinct level, all over the country.
And in South Dakota, it was hundreds more that have been sat empty for decades at the precinct committee level.
Now, last June, they were put into power.
They all got voted in.
They went to the convention.
They actually voted out a very bad Secretary of State and voted in a very good one.
And so then these, then they also vote on all the rest of the GOP throughout the state of South Dakota.
Well, that vote would be coming up in February.
So what the GOP did in South Dakota, they're having a special meeting this Saturday.
Everybody get ready for this to vote on to get rid of the precinct strategy or the precinct committee people's votes.
In other words, they're going to vote them out that they could never vote again in the history of South Dakota.
And so you basically, if that sets a precedent for this country, every precinct person in the country would lose their, that's our foundation of the RNC.
That's our base.
And I was on a call with, I was on a call with thousands of the grassroots, three calls I made this week were concerned over this.
And I had one in Arizona said, oh, this could never happen in Arizona.
I said, hey, the times we're in now, you better stop stuff at its genesis.
You better stop this.
So it is so important.
I called the governor.
I reached out to the governor of South Dakota, Christy Noams, and I said, Christy, you need to come out with a statement.
I haven't heard her statement yet, Charlie.
This is a big concern.
Ronna McDaniel should be all over the news and all over everything right now and saying, hey, we can't have this or the Republican Party's destroyed from the grassroots.
And I did talk, I actually talked to Harmit about this too.
We talked on Sunday about this because I said, what would you do if you were in?
She'd be all over it.
We both would be all over this.
And Ronna McDaniel is sitting there.
I don't know if she doesn't know, but I would think she does.
Maybe that's something that she has no problem with.
She doesn't care then about the grassroots people, about the precinct committeemen.
Leaks from the Democrats 00:15:48
It's a shame, Charlie.
It really is.
And we just got to pray that they don't vote them, vote out the precinct people, because this would be it.
Mike, I'm really glad you're running.
And I love your passion for America.
$40 plus million dollars that you've spent to save the country.
You are an investor, not a taker.
And there's so few people like that.
God bless you, Mike.
Thank you so much.
God bless you.
Charlie, and you're awesome.
You've done great things for our country, and we're proud of you.
Thanks.
See you in Dana Point, Mike.
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One of the most exciting developments from last week's negotiations is the new church committee.
And one of the members of that new church committee is one of my favorite members of Congress.
He loves the Constitution.
He loves liberty.
He's honest and he's tough.
And he's going to really go after the Intel agencies.
It's Thomas Massey, who's just terrific from Kentucky.
Congressman Massey, welcome to the program.
Hey, thanks for having me on, Charlie.
So, Congressman Massey, explain to us what is this new committee and what is the goal of the new church and pike committee that has now been launched.
Great.
Yeah, I'll give you the formal name of it.
It's the select subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government.
And our charter, we got a very broad charter that was granted to us as a result of all that hard work that Chip Roy and some of the other folks did in negotiating the speaker's race.
And one of the things that we got in the negotiations was the ability to get information on ongoing investigations.
You know, that's the hardest thing about this committee is going to be getting the federal government to turn over the documents.
A lot of it's going to be classified.
They're going to throw up all kinds of reasons.
And so their favorite reason is to say ongoing investigation, not going to comment, that they're not going to be able to do that.
Of course, they may try it.
They may take us to court to avoid releasing it.
But at least in the charter of this committee, we've stated plainly and clearly that that's on the table.
The other thing that we got in the negotiations was that if we hit up against a wall, let's say we're going down.
some trail on the FBI and it turns out there's another three-letter Intel agency involved.
We are basically a functional appendage of the Intel Committee.
So we will be able to get any level of classification, any level of classification of document that's necessary to pursue this investigation.
And then what our broad charter is, that's sort of some of the specific things that were hammered out.
When you say what is within our jurisdiction and what is not, well, anything involving the civil liberties of Americans is within our jurisdiction.
Wow.
At first, you know, at first, you would, what would first come to mind, I think, are the Twitter files and the fact that the FBI was actively engaged in colluding with a corporation to censor American speech.
But there's also privacy issues.
There are lots of civil liberties that could be infringed, and all of those are on the table.
So what is going, what is the strategy, not if, but when you guys encounter the labyrinth, the created maze of the intel agencies.
Right now, Christopher Wray and all of the criminals that are running our government are creating trapdoors and double-side mirrors and smoke screen to try to draw out the process.
Now, you said that this is going to be done in a skiff, which I'm a little torn on, I'll be honest.
Will there be a public component to this as well?
Absolutely.
We'll do our homework in the skiff.
Good.
And then when we find something that the American people need to know about, we will have public hearings.
And our charter lasts until January, two years from now.
We have the entire Congress to do this work.
We have a large budget.
The budget's the size of the January 6th committee budget.
And they spent a lot of money.
They wasted a lot of money on nothing there.
We're going to spend that same amount on real things for the American people, not about some political event that happened once or not about the third impeachment of the president.
This is about the American people.
It's not about relitigating any politicians' outcomes.
But what they did, they blazed the trail.
They went to court to get a lot of those documents, and they were dealing with a friendly administration, of course, but they set the precedent.
And now we've got that precedent to go after these documents ourselves.
And, you know, we have to issue a final report at the end, but that doesn't mean that we can't issue interim reports, make interim statements, and have hearings available to the public as we go along.
And just know, Charlie, that they're going to be the administrative state is going to be front running us, I think.
They're going to try.
You know how the FBI works.
This is not a conspiracy theory, by the way.
We know that Comey was leaking stuff to the New York Times when he was disgruntled so that he could control the narrative on Trump.
And we've seen that before.
We see leaks that aren't always attributed to somebody, but we know where they came from.
They're going to do that sort of thing.
And there may be leaks from the Democrats on this committee.
You know, they're there.
They're going to be there.
There will be five Democrats if they choose to populate them on this committee.
And I hope they do.
I hope they put serious Democrats down there.
You know, actually, I hope they put some of the most progressive members of their conference on that committee, you know, like Roe Conna or Zoe Lofgren.
These are people who I've worked across the aisle with on matters of war powers and privacy and infringement.
I love how the Democrats in the debate yesterday on the floor when we voted to establish this committee, they call it the tinfoil hat committee, the MAGA conspiracy grievance committee.
But the reality is a lot of stuff we're going to be looking at involves the same things that Democrats have co-sponsored with me in the past, like getting, make sure, making sure that if you're spying on Americans, by golly, you got a warrant and you're in compliance with the Constitution.
So we'll see how this goes if the Dems decide to just stay on the obstructionist side.
If they do, they run the risk of looking like fools when we uncover what's there.
I agree.
I have been searching for the old civil liberty Democrats.
They just all seem to be kind of Intel regime defenders now.
But it used to be the enthusiasm for checking and balancing the security state used to be a largely left-wing issue.
It was Dennis Kucinich and it was the old school Democrats.
They're just gone now, basically.
Bernie Sanders talks a good game sometimes on it, but I think a deal with the devil has been negotiated where they say, hey, you don't touch the Intel agencies and we're just going to go after Republicans.
And it's really a sad and unfortunate reality.
But do you think you could get an Elon Omo?
I mean, I don't think she should be on it because I think she's just awful.
But I mean, a Pramila Jayapal.
I mean, the only reason I say that is I think that the communists in the Democrat Party, and I use that word intentionally, I think they might be somewhat interesting members to have because they're afraid that the Intel agencies will then be pivoted against them at some point.
What are your thoughts on that?
Well, let me give you an example of a Democrat who's been a good faith actor, at least on this one issue.
He's in the Senate, unfortunately, Ron Wyden.
I believe it was Wyden's questioning that got Clapper to lie to Congress about whether broad swaths of surveillance were happening against Americans.
Clapper just lied.
He lied to Congress, lied to the American people.
And I would love to see a Democrat like Ron Wyden on this committee.
You would hope that some of the progressives would be there.
I mentioned Roe Conno because in the Twitter files, he was the one Congressman that was inside of that in those emails.
And he said, hey, this doesn't look good.
Looks like maybe violating the First Amendment.
So my hat's off to him.
I talked to Roe yesterday on the floor and I said, hey, get on this committee with us.
And it's interesting.
Back when I got my start in politics and the liberty movement was really getting popular, the complaint I always received from the left in regard to civil liberties was the well-documented campaign in the late 60s and 70s that infiltrated the Black Panthers and infiltrated the Global Communist League.
And they weren't wrong.
I mean, in some sense, it kind of became folklore in the American left where, you know, Elizabeth Warren, a lot of these people were raised in an environment where their kind of big shtick was, we could have taken over America if it wasn't for the Intel agency.
Now, I think they're a little bit grandiose and hyperbolic in the telling of their story, but it was somewhat fundamental to being a progressive in the early 2000s was, I'm a progressive and I hate the Intel agencies.
And some of that might have just been kind of, I hate George W. Bush and I don't like, but that energy just seems to have evaporated.
It's, it's evaporated.
It's suppressed.
I do think there are members on the other side who care about it, but Nancy Pelosi, now it'll be Hakeem Jeffries, gets them all to line up like poodles and do whatever the narrative is that day.
And the Republican conference has been criticized for not lining up like poodles like the Democrats do, but we're not poodles.
Okay.
So, but while we're picking on the Democrats, let me just say that the spy state against Americans, the weaponization of these federal agencies against American citizens, has also happened, I wouldn't say through acts of commission, but possibly through acts of omission from Republicans.
You know, we've been in charge of judiciary and Intel before, and these things were happening.
And the only good thing you can say about the Republican chairman and the members of those committees that were in charge when we were in the majority is that maybe it was being hidden from them.
But I think that's, Charlie, if I could get one point across on your show that I've not, I've actually not said anywhere.
That's why this is important that it's a select committee, that it's going to be populated with a few members of judiciary and at least, I believe, one member of Intel, but there will be members of the conference on here from other committees.
And we will have jurisdiction that goes across the different layers.
And I think it's important because you can't really check your own homework.
The Intel committee is populated with substantially the same staff they had before and the same on judiciary.
And Jim Jordan's got, I think, the best staff of anybody because he actually took them from oversight with him.
And when I was on oversight, I'm familiar with all his staff.
They're great.
But it's going to be great also to have new staff with a fresh set of eyeballs that haven't been on any of these committees, outside talent to come in, some of them from the executive branch who know, who have some insight in how things work over there.
It's so important.
I'm thrilled.
I'm ecstatic that you're going to have a green light to be able to check the fourth branch of government.
It's a historic opportunity, once in a generation, hasn't happened in my lifetime.
This might sound like a strange question, but I know it's on everybody's mind.
You're going to be on the committee that will oversee the most powerful institutions on the planet, the FBI, the CIA, maybe the IRS.
Are you concerned for your own safety and/or what they might try to do to blackmail you?
We know the Intel agencies have files on every lawmaker that might become disagreeable.
This is not some sort of tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.
I'm sure this has crossed your thoughts.
Oh, absolutely.
You'd be, by the way, you're not qualified to be on this committee if you don't realize that there will be an effort to discredit me.
But you know what?
Of all the people that they try to discredit, I've married my high school sweetheart.
I don't have an interesting romantic past.
We grow our own food.
We make our own power.
At the end of the day, what are they going to do to me?
I'll just go back to my farm and live out my days if they are in any way successful in ruining me.
But this is so important, it's worth it.
If I can't do it, who can?
If I can't break through this, who can't?
And that's why I'm, you know, I've been here 10 years.
It's easy to get jaded.
I'm redoubling my efforts.
I'm excited to come to work and work on this every day.
And I think that's what's going to take.
It's going to take a dogged perseverance and just sort of ignoring the detractors.
You know, the left is saying this is a tinfoil hat committee.
This is conspiracy, MAGA conspiracy committee.
But it is no conspiracy to know what has gone on.
We've seen things that have come out.
We've got facts about what has gone on.
And I know we're going to be bumping up not just against the FBI, but the other three-letter agencies and probably three-letter agencies in other countries because it's all so commingled.
And so I'm going to be a target of a lot of capable efforts.
So, Congressman, I want to play a piece of tape here.
And by the way, they are going to come after you in every way, shape, or form.
And I know you know this.
You have an ally here in this program getting information out.
Nothing scares the intel agencies and pushes back more than information.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant for these cockroaches.
Now, the Democrats are messaging this.
This is my favorite tape.
I saw this on MSNBC and I said, it's so Orwellian.
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They said that overseeing the weaponization of government is abuse of power.
Overseeing the abuse of power is abuse of power.
It's just extraordinary.
Play Cut 62.
You heard from Jim Jordan and other Republicans yesterday about this new effort to investigate what they deem the weaponization of the federal government.
What is your assessment of that and what concerns you have?
John, it's an outrageous abuse of power.
Never before has Congress put in a resolution that it has the authority to investigate ongoing criminal investigations.
The purpose of it is to interfere with ongoing investigations.
And that's why I've called it the Republican Committee to Obstruct Justice.
Congressman Massey, your thoughts?
Well, we debated this on the floor of the House yesterday, and I went down there without a speech written because I knew I would get enough things to talk about, just rebutting all the falsehoods they said.
Let me start with one of the big lies he said there.
He said we shouldn't be investigating anything that overlaps with an ongoing investigation.
Hold on a second.
What was the January 6th committee?
The whole committee was an ongoing investigation.
It was, they overlapped with hundreds of ongoing investigations.
Or how about the 9-11 report?
That wasn't an ongoing investigation?
Or the Warren Commission?
Or Watergate.
Yes.
There were ongoing investigations then as well.
I ran Contra.
There were ongoing criminal investigations as Congress was looking into it.
There's so many precedents for this that they've flipped their lid.
Now, one of the reasons that I heard that they shouldn't be investigated from Adam Schiff, the guy who was in charge of keeping them in their constitutional bounds and failed to do his job, at least with some of the three-letter agencies, that Nadler was responsible for FBI, but Schiff was responsible for the rest of them.
The reason he gave for not having this committee is that if we form this committee and start looking into what they're doing, they'll be reluctant to share information with us that we need to draft legislation.
And I got up and said on the floor debate, that is evidence that we need to create this committee.
If anybody in any of those organizations who is reluctant to submit to Congress's oversight authority should be summarily dismissed and fired from that job because they don't understand that they were created by Congress and they're funded by Congress.
They don't want that to be true.
Congressman Massey, we are behind you.
I can't wait to see what you discover.
God bless you.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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