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Jan. 4, 2023 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The House Speaker Apocalypse with Abe Hamadeh and Tyler Bowyer
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Arizona Lawsuit and Recount 00:09:48
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Today in the Charlie Kirk show, Abe Hamiday joins us for the latest in his race in Arizona.
And then Tyler Boyer joins us to talk about the RNC race and the ever interesting and dramatic Speaker of the House race.
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Joining us right now is Abe Hamaday, who I believe was treated so terribly by the Arizona election system, Maricopa County, and others.
The latest tally says he's down 200-something votes, and his lawsuit is very sharply written.
And I look forward to an update from him.
Abe, welcome back to the program.
Thanks for having me on, Charlie.
Good to be with you.
Abe, what is the latest in regards to your ever confusing and contentious lawsuit in the state of Arizona?
What's going on?
Well, just like what, you know, Carrie Lake and me were still in this fight.
If you look at what happened over the holiday break, Charlie, there is a recount, right?
This is separate from the election contest that I want people to understand.
The election lawsuit was separate than the recount.
Since my race was closed, it was within half a percentage point.
It was the closest race in Arizona history.
It was subject to a recount, automatic recount.
We were down 511 votes going into that recount, and now we are down 280.
I mean, that was such a huge disparity, right?
I mean, you had, I won over 420 votes.
She got about 190 votes.
In Arizona history, recounts have only altered about 14 votes.
This was a 600-vote spread.
It was quite shocking.
And the reason why is because Canal County, another incompetent county besides Maricopa, apparently they found ballots.
Luckily, they were in my favor.
But what also happened was that they started to discover that these tabulation machines were not counting certain votes correctly.
This is unbelievable.
And so, so, Abe, I don't mean to interrupt, but that's almost a 45% change in the margin differential.
And that's just one recount, right?
That's just in one way.
What about Pima County?
Pima County is run by a bunch of criminals.
Exactly.
So you're right about the whole idea about why we're so confident about this new election lawsuit where we're just filing in right now a new motion for a new trial.
Because Charlie, we didn't have these facts going into our first lawsuit that we lost by because we had no evidence.
But you know who did have the facts?
It was Secretary of State Katie Hobbs at the time.
She had all the facts and she withheld this from the court.
She withheld this from me.
So we weren't able to present any of this evidence.
And she's trying to claim that the recount was secret.
So she didn't have a duty to disclose.
That's completely wrong.
And today, when we're going to file our new motion for a new trial, the judge got snookered, Charlie.
Let's be real.
You know, I give Democrats a lot of credit.
They are relentless and ruthless in getting what they want.
They're so unethical.
These people are a bunch of snakes.
But now, so just so everyone knows, and this is an unfortunate fact, Katie Hobbs is now governor of Arizona.
She was sworn in yesterday, not even able to do the oath of office.
What you're saying, though, Abe, is that she withheld information.
She paused and she delayed, probably intentionally to destroy your race and protect her own.
Is that right?
That's completely right.
She wanted to get her ally, Chris Mays, who also took the oath of office yesterday.
The recount results were supposed to be announced on December 22nd.
They pushed it back a week because of our intentionally, and they knew that we would have no time.
And it was a holiday weekend, January 1st, New Year's.
And so my opponent was sworn in.
But again, Charlie, in Arizona, we have removed a sitting governor before, by the way.
We've done that.
And with this case being, what do you mean?
That's interesting.
What do you mean by that?
Tell me about that.
The whole election contest in Arizona hinges on this one case called Hunt v. Campbell.
At the time in 1916, the sitting governor, he lost his election supposedly by 30 votes out of 55,000, which, by the way, is a bigger margin than my race with 280 out of 2.5 million.
But after all the litigation went through, months went by, the governor, the de facto governor in effect, was removed from office, had to pay back his salary.
And then the rightful winner took office.
So there is precedent for this to happen.
I know a lot of people like to throw out hyperbole.
You know, I'm a pretty measured person, Charlie.
I wouldn't be in this fight if I didn't think we had a chance and if I didn't think that there were legitimate problems on the election.
Right now, I'll give hope to your listeners and your viewers right now.
We were going into our first lawsuit down 511 votes.
This new fact that just came out, we are now going into a lawsuit down 280, and there's still thousands of uncounted ballots.
There's 50,000 plus under votes in Maricopa County.
Those are people who supposedly skipped the attorney general race.
But what we just discovered in Pinal County was there was about 65 ballots there that were counted as under votes that actually went my way.
And that's where we're talking about these tabulation machines are not reading it correctly.
What we need to do and what President Trump just came out with a statement the other day, he wants a full hand recount.
What's that?
I mean, this is so wrong, Abe.
You have millions of votes cast.
What, 2.4 million, right?
Is that correct?
2.4, 2.5 million, right?
Is that about right?
Yeah.
And your differential, you're down 280 votes.
And the way that the current regime works in Arizona is that they just let's just implement them, throw them into office.
This is so wrong.
And not to mention the signature verification issues, the chain of custody issues.
Imagine, Abe, forget Pima County, just Coconino County.
Imagine how much nonsense is in Coconino.
Flagstaff, you know, NAU.
And so what is the remedy then here, Abe?
What is the path forward?
So currently, Katie Hobbs is governor, and currently Chris Mays is the Attorney General of Arizona.
But you're contending that you're not going to give up.
Is that correct?
Well, that's absolutely right.
And if you remember, Carrie Lake had her election lawsuit basically the same time mine was going on.
And what we discovered in her lawsuit is helping our case.
I mean, what they discovered was those 19-inch ballots when only 20-inch ballots were supposed to be printed.
So that's going to help our case.
But ultimately, what's going to happen is we're filing this new motion for new trial.
If the judge grants it, we're going to put on a whole new trial again and get proper time to actually go through the ballots.
Last time, the judge gave us six hours to go through millions of ballots, Charlie, because he was pushed around by the Secretary of State, Katie Hobbs, and Chris Mays' legal team.
That's what I mean when I say I give Democrats credit.
They intimidated this judge.
They basically withheld information.
They snookered him.
And if I were him, I would be really pissed off right now because what's going on?
I mean, they have basically taken this in broad daylight with the court system because when one side, Republicans, only play by the rules, the other side doesn't care.
We can't operate in a system like that.
No, they've never cared about the rules.
Abe, how can people help you or support you in this critical juncture and effort?
Well, right now, you know, we've got very good, generous donors for helping out our legal efforts, which I'm super thankful for.
But it's just to keep spreading the message around.
Get the message around.
I know in Pinal County tomorrow actually has a public meeting to discuss why they even certified their election, knowing that they had this huge discrepancy prior to even the recount.
You know, I would encourage people to go out there, go confront your government officials.
And for everybody else, just to keep the word out.
This fight is not over in Arizona by any means right now.
And I'm going to fight this until we actually know who legitimately won this election.
Abe, thank you for fighting.
We have your back.
It's so wrong what's happened to you.
Abe, thank you so much.
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And so the House of Representatives is about to go into recess and the votes, they are going one by one by one.
Five Republicans Seek Speaker 00:05:04
So there have been five Republicans that have said they are not going to support Kevin McCarthy.
And so Kevin has a couple options.
Based on all of your emails and our audience, you guys have a very negative view of Kevin McCarthy.
And I generally understand the skepticism, the apprehension, and the cynicism towards all Republican leadership.
I've told you guys before, Kevin was very sweet to our turning point USA leaders a couple years ago.
And he was actually, he's always been very honest.
I mean, he's not, I don't think he's a movement conservative, but he's also not Paul Ryan.
I don't think that's fair.
But here's a legitimate thing.
Now, Kevin McCarthy has an option.
Kevin can keep on negotiating with the House Freedom Caucus.
Kevin can try to go to Democrats to get votes.
Or there could be other people that are going to be proposed for Speaker of the House.
There can be Jim Jordan.
There can be Justin Amash.
There can be Evan Kinzinger.
There can be Liz Cheney.
And you might say, oh, well, what Republicans will vote for those people?
All you need is a few.
Democrats would consider it a massive accomplishment right now to be able to block all investigations in a mayorkus into Biden by getting a uniparty type speaker.
And so Democrats right now, they know they're not going to be able to take back the House.
That's not what I'm saying.
People say, Charlie, Democrats are going to take over the House.
That's not what I've said.
I say Republicans could lose it.
That's a completely different thing.
So Democrats right now, because Democrats understand power and Republicans, we're still learning.
We got a lot of Machiavelli still to read.
Democrats will enthusiastically go for a compromise candidate, all of them, basically, if they could pick off five Republicans.
That would mean no oversight of any agencies.
That would mean no oversight of Google, no oversight of Twitter, no oversight of the FBI, none of it.
And there's at least 12 rhinos in the House that will go along with this because they'll probably get put as chair of committees.
Now, some of you say, well, Charlie, I just called Don Bacon's office and he assures me he's not doing this.
He's not talking to Democrats.
Of course, he's going to deny it.
He's already said publicly, first and foremost: look, there is a type of Republican out there, and there's about 20 or 30 of them that are worse than rhinos.
They are more moderate than Paul Ryan.
I know that's hard to believe.
They're extraordinarily moderate.
And so what they will see this as an opportunity.
They will smell blood.
They will see blood in the water.
While the Freedom Caucus thinks they have all the power, and that's probably true right now.
There are these silent rhinos, about 20 of them, that are going to meet in conference right now.
And they're going to say, let's just go for Justin Amash.
Let's go meet with Jeffries, make Jeffries the whip, make Justin Amash Speaker of the House.
20 of us will caucus with Democrats.
And yeah, you'll probably lose five to 10 Democrats, but they're going to be in more power than they even thought they would be.
And then they're going to start cutting deals with Amash.
And there goes all of your subpoena power, your oversight, Jim Jordan, Marjorie Taylor Greene, they will be in another cycle of a House majority.
Now, some of you are a minority.
Some of you are saying, well, Charlie, that's fear-mongering.
No, I think it's actually a rational fear.
It's a rational fear that right now, there are lobbyists that are running the halls.
I know this for certain that are trying to now get someone like Liz Cheney or Don Bacon or Adam Kinzinger Speaker of the House.
It's happening right now.
Those deals are trying to get cut.
Someone says here: Charlie McCarthy has no business being Speaker.
Everyone in D.C. has their hands in their pockets.
He's the definition of a swamp rat uniparty rhino, anybody but him.
Now, William's a fan of the show, and I appreciate that.
I don't think he means anybody, though.
I don't think you would want Liz Cheney as Speaker of the House more than Kevin McCarthy.
That is not prudent.
That is allowing your enthusiasm of hatred against establishment Republicans to allow you to capture reason critical thinking.
Politics is about power.
Power is the currency that allows political progress to be made possible.
And the fact is, we do not have enough power to simply demand everything that we want.
Jim Jordan, which I think we all support, he's about to become chairman of the House Oversight Committee.
Do not tell me that is nothing.
That's a big deal.
Now, what's the best case scenario?
Here's the, you say, well, Charlie, is there anything good that could happen?
Yes, there is a chance that through this process, you get an even more conservative speaker.
That is a lower likelihood then, actually, than the higher likelihood is someone like Scalese, who's actually more moderate than Paul Ryan.
You're like, oh, yeah, I like Steve Scalise.
He's more moderate than Kevin McCarthy.
Scalise Pushes for Conservative Shift 00:15:19
Steve Scalise is buddies with Liz Cheney.
So you hate Kevin McCarthy so much you would rather have a Liz Cheneyite?
Kevin McCarthy is not buddies with Liz Cheney.
They got in public feuds repeatedly, and he supported Harriet Hageman.
You got a big risk that has been entered into the calculus in the equation.
As Trump says, we'll see what happens.
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With us, Tyler Boyer, who runs Turning Point Action.
It's good to see you.
Also one of the 168 who Rana says, I only talk to the 168.
That's what she said.
I don't know if she's talking to you, though.
167.
Yeah, 167.
Confirmed.
I mean, look, again, we've talked about this at length prior to Christmas.
You know, this is a big deal, this leadership race.
And there's only 168 people, you know, that represent the states and territories who call the shots for the Republican Party at the national level.
And I want to reiterate something for a lot of people because a lot of people are like, oh, well, the RNC doesn't matter.
No, there's a lot that matters.
There's a lot that matters to the RNC.
Yeah, that is the call point where the strategy and the prioritization of how we win, that's where it all starts.
And if you don't have an RNC that's functioning on your behalf, that is smart, that is focusing on the states that we need to absolutely win, first the presidency and then our federal, most important federal races, we're going to lose.
We're going to lose the entire country.
So we're monitoring two things at once.
We are monitoring the RNC race that's happening on 127, right?
Is that correct?
Yeah.
That's correct.
The 27th?
Yep, 24 days.
And then also right now, the speaker of the house race, which is going to put the house into suspense, which they're doing roll call.
And I think Andy Biggs has 10 votes.
So there's a lot more people that are defecting from Kevin McCarthy than people would have imagined.
This puts it into now conference.
And therefore, there could be a uniparty.
Speaker, right, Tyler, this is a real thing.
In fact, I got a text from a Hill staffer where he said, now there's a legit possibility the House majority is eliminated.
This is from a House staffer.
He says that deals are already starting to get cut to try to bring someone like Liz Cheney to become Speaker of the House.
Yeah, I mean, that would be the worst case scenario that happens out of this entire thing.
I mean, I'll tell you what, this is this speaker.
I have a little bit of a different take on the speakers race.
The in-depth conversation is not very different from this entire RNC race conversation, which is the Republican Party has a real issue right now.
And it's that we are not working together the way that we're supposed to be working together.
We're not communicating.
So again, you just said, hey, Ronna says she talks to the 168.
Well, she doesn't talk to the 10.
I'm one of the 168.
She doesn't even talk to the people.
She doesn't talk to our entire state in Arizona.
I can tell you that.
So that's at least three of the 168 that she's been talking to.
I know for a fact there's dozens of others that she doesn't actually talk to.
And so the fact is, I think this is the same issue with Kevin McCarthy.
And I, you know, and again, I actually, you have a lot of good things to say about Kevin.
I actually think that Ron is a nice person, but we need more than nice.
We need people who are strategic and can communicate.
Can this issue that's happening right now on the floor be avoided?
Probably.
Without a doubt.
If we, if we can work together a little bit better, if we bring people in, if we actually make concessions that the Freedom Caucus want in ahead of time, that could have been avoided.
I totally agree.
And I'm not, I've never been carrying the banner of Kevin McCarthy.
No, my whole fear this whole time has been this.
No, this situation was I was told by people in our audience, Charlie, you are wrong and fear-mongering that this thing's going to go back into conference.
It's now going back into conference.
First time in 100 years.
That's probably that's a risk.
You now have a risk of a Liz Cheney speaker of the House.
If you don't acknowledge that, you're not living in reality.
Yeah.
Look, I mean, if that happens, if something like that happens, I will tell you this, though.
But this is the hole that the establishment digs itself into, right?
If that happens, we will see the greatest turnover in the history of the Republican Party in Congress, which doesn't happen.
We see the low approval ratings for Congress year in and year out.
But what always happens?
Same guys get elected over and over and over, right?
It just doesn't change.
I will tell you this.
If Liz Cheney becomes speaker, people are going to be very upset about it.
And a Liz Cheney-esque type person, right?
So Justin Amash is being floated right now, who's just the same thing.
But Liz Cheney, think about it.
A lot of Democrats would vote for Liz Cheney.
Oh, totally.
At least 20 or 30 Republicans will vote for Liz Cheney.
Oh, yeah.
And she would happily obliterate a Republican majority.
So that would mean is that every committee would have equal representation, which means that no subpoenas of Biden, no subpoenas of Twitter, no subpoenas of the FBI, no subpoenas of the border.
It would effectively destroy the House majority.
Yeah, it would.
And so, but you're right is that the weeks leading up to this, McCarthy team and others should have been more assertive in brokering a deal with the House Freedom Caucus.
Is that right?
They shut down a majority of what the Freedom Caucus had asked for.
And I think that was a bad mistake.
Because I think if the McCarthy team would have, I mean, a lot of what the Freedom Caucus was asking for is like what the movement wants, like in general.
So votes on term limits.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, all this stuff's going to go to die anyways.
We're living under Biden, right?
Like, so like, why not be the most conservative speaker ever, unexpectedly, right?
Unexpectedly, the most conservative speaker that the Republican Party has had, maybe since Newt Gingrich, right?
Maybe beyond that, because even like a lot of the conservatives didn't like Newt Gingrich at the time.
But like he could have worn that banner and been a leader in that way.
And he's done it with Trump.
So all he had to do was kind of get across the finish line and get a couple of these guys of the Freedom Caucus to like really carry that banner.
And I think we were, I think he was really close.
But, you know, they pushed too many buttons and we have a much more fractured party after these last terms.
And again, also, I'll say this point.
Had the Republicans done better.
I mean, number one, this won't even be an issue to begin with.
Had they done better.
So that's Kevin McCarthy's own bed that was made here.
But you would have you, you, you would have more of a reason to shut down the Freedom Caucus on these things.
The situation that we're in now is that in most states, and this includes Arizona, we are losing, but we're losing by the minority of the party that are in the establishment who aren't getting on board for an America first agenda.
And that's kind of what's happening here in Congress.
That's what's happening at the RNC level.
That's what's happening in some state parties right now.
And we just have to come to the realization that we have to work together.
And that might mean a more America first party and then work our way down from there.
And that's okay.
Yeah.
And so this is now being put into a big question.
And the majority of our audience, the emails we're receiving, just so we're clear, is that most of our audience says it's okay if we lose the House of Representatives as long as it's not McCarthy.
The majority of our base.
Everybody hates, Charlie, everybody hates McConnell, McCarthy, McDaniel.
No, and I'm just, you got to listen to your audience, right?
So I'm not going to fight the audience, obviously.
I am going to contribute to the conversation.
I would rather have Jim Jordan as chairman of the oversight committee than Adam Schiff.
I agree with that, but I do think that this is the part of the, again, the expectation, and I'll say it this way: the reason why we have leadership in Congress, leaders, is to figure this stuff out.
This is their job.
And to listen to voters, hopefully, but they don't.
Well, I understand.
But like, you listen to voters in your role as congressman.
You become leader of a majority or a minority in order to manage herd cats, to manage all those people who get elected.
So hopefully the voice of the grassroots comes up through the individuals who write legislation.
And it's the job of the leadership to make sure the legislation gets across the finish line.
The very basic job that they have is to make sure that leadership gets elected.
If you can't even do that as leader, this is a real question that the audience is asking, essentially.
And they're maybe not asking it this way, but if you can't even get the votes to become leader, right?
Comments true.
The speaker of the house.
That's right.
How am I going to trust that you're going to be the guy that's going to be able to get massive pieces of legislation across the finish line and negotiate broker deals with the Biden administration?
You're just not going to do it, right?
So I don't blame people for having second thoughts and questions about McCarthy because of this.
What I do know is this, is that it's their job to figure this out, and they're not getting that job done.
So why would we ask them to do more?
So the way the speaker's race is unfolding, I think they're still voting right now, if I'm not mistaken.
And Hakeem Jeffries is at 209.
Isn't it interesting how the Democrats all vote for the same person?
Not one of them defect.
And Kevin McCarthy at 195.
And by the way, that's one of the reasons why we're conservative because we don't always go along with the mob and we think independently.
Well, who were the other votes that we think?
Well, others, Jim Jordan, Banks.
So we think some of those were Jim.
Yeah, so Andy Biggs got 10.
So there's 19 non-Kevin votes, which is way more than they expected.
Yeah, they expected four or five.
They expected less than 10.
Yes, four or five.
And so this is a real problem.
We now have a real problem on our hands because this isn't about Kevin McCarthy going and getting the couple of votes that he needs.
Now we have a real problem on our hands.
So someone says, well, Charlie, what do we have to lose?
A fair amount.
I would say that there is a lot to lose.
You lose all oversight, capacity, ability, basically effectively saying to the voters that showed up in big numbers to win back the House of Representatives, you don't get the House.
I mean, this could go on for days.
It could go on for weeks.
It could go on for months.
That's where we're at.
So to your point, so the question is: what are the alternatives to McCarthy?
That's the question, right?
Yeah.
And so Scalise, who's worse?
Who's worse?
Scalise's buddies with Liz Cheney and defended Liz Cheney in the Wyoming primary, and McCarthy was behind Harriet.
Yeah.
So that's option one.
Scalise is going to make a run for it after this.
Well, McCarthy didn't really have a choice because they were 11.
Well, correct.
But there was a huge fallout between McCarthy and Cheney publicly, like public disputes, and like, I'm no longer with, like, but part of that was because of the R, and this is like in the weeds here.
In the RNC, there's what they call Rule 11, and it's part of the rules, which are the bylaws of the RNC, which says that the RNC members, the three people from that state.
The three people of that state can basically identify that no support shall be given to anyone else other than whoever they name to be the nominee, essentially.
And so they did this with Harriet Hagman.
But Scalise did have a choice.
Yeah.
And Scalise chose to not back Harriet.
Yes.
So that just shows you what you're dealing with with Steve Carter.
Yeah, so he's worse.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And obviously, we have a lot of respect for his personal struggle and all that, but that's not relevant to this conversation.
He's not more conservative than Kevin McCarthy.
So they say, what about Jim Jordan?
Well, right now, Kevin McCarthy has 60 loyal people that say they're not going to vote for anybody but Kevin McCarthy.
And they certainly will not vote for Jim Jordan.
No.
So, not Jim Jordan.
Well, they say, what about Tom Emmer?
Tom Emmer is worse than Kevin McCarthy.
By a lot.
Like a lot.
He's like beyond worse.
He voted for gay marriage, all this stuff.
So, okay, you want Tom Emmer?
You'll have a lot worse legislation.
Okay.
Well, what about Lee Zeldin?
Those 60 people that are voting for Kevin are not going to move.
So they say, what about Matt Gates?
Yeah, he'll get like four votes.
Yeah.
What about Andy Biggs?
Andy Biggs just got 10 votes.
Not going to happen.
Not going to happen.
So we're open for suggestions.
There's always the make Trump speaker play.
I don't think that's going to happen.
I mean, I don't think that.
I don't think 30 or 40 Republicans will go for that either.
Oh, no.
More than that.
Yeah.
Probably like 60, 70.
Someone says, what about Trey Gowdy?
He's worse than Kevin.
Like, this is what's so funny.
Someone says, well, what about this?
One person says, why don't we bring back Paul Ryan?
I'm like, what?
What?
This is the irrational.
Sometimes you have to understand that you can really hate somebody, but then I think we should bring in Ron Paul.
All right.
Yeah, he'll get three votes.
He'll get two.
Yeah.
He'll get Thomas Nasse.
And no, I mean, Charlie, this is a conversation we were having off the air here.
But I mean, this does not bode well for the next two years.
And this is what we're saying.
Oh, we're going to lose it.
This is an RNC race in this.
There is a, we have a strong fracturing now that happens that even Trump can't unite, right?
Trump's trying.
Trump's trying to do everything he can to try to unite people.
And people were united under Trump, right?
But then we had a lot of states have a lot of funny business happen in them in 2020.
And so now we're in this position where we haven't fixed elections.
That has to be number one.
And we have a 2024 election coming up, and none of us are on the same page.
Oh, we're in a terrible spot.
Yeah, Democrats are on poise to win everything in 24 and take over the whole country.
We have the RNC race on 127, but in some ways, the speaker's race, does it foreshadow the chaos and the tumult of what's going to happen in the RNC race as well?
If I'm watching this right now, I'm Rana.
I am very concerned because this was not how this was supposed to go.
How this was supposed to go was that McCarthy would easily glide to speaker.
There's a reason why we're holding the RNC meeting in Southern California.
In Dana Point, California.
In Dana Point, California.
What is the reason?
Well, Kevin McCarthy.
Well, if it was in Bakersfield, yeah, that would make more sense.
No, but we're in California because of Kevin McCarthy.
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Right.
So that's without question.
And again, you know, wherever you fall on the Kevin McCarthy thing, I think this, I think it would have been a smart move to spend time listening to the grassroots, responding to the grassroots all last month and saying, you know what?
You know, maybe we need to shake things up at the RNC a little bit.
Maybe things need to change around.
And here's how you know that things are, there's not like a setup here with Harmeet.
Harmeet is from California.
And Kevin McCarthy supports Rana, who's not from California, right?
So I trust Harmeet Dillon even more now because of this whole situation.
If I'm the grassroots, I trust Harmeet more now because she is clearly not on like McCarthy payroll, right?
And that's the whole thing here.
So look, regardless of what happens with what happens in this congressional vote here for Speaker, we now have an even more important vote now on 127.
And that's crazy.
All right.
I want to play a piece of tape here.
This is Dan Crenshaw.
Let me be very clear.
Crenshaw is helping nobody by doing this.
This makes me incensed.
This attitude.
Only himself.
This does not help the cause of trying to destroy a Liz Cheney speaker at all.
Dan Crenshaw basically saying we have an all-out civil war going on.
This is Kinzinger stuff.
Not helpful.
Play Cut 22.
This handful of members is very clearly looking for notoriety over principal.
They lost those debates.
That should have been the end of it because that's how a team works, right?
You hash this stuff out, figure it out, and then you move on.
But if you're a narcissist, if you're a narcissist and you believe that your opinion is so much more important than everyone else's, then you'll keep going.
And you'll threaten to tear down the team for the benefit of the Democrats just because of your own sense of self-importance.
That's exactly what's happening here.
They are enemies now.
They have made it clear that they prefer a Democrat agenda and a Republican one.
All right.
I mean, Dan, if you're trying to make me sympathetic with everything that is happening, you've done a great job.
I mean, calling Bobert and Gates bigs and good enemies, stop it.
That is the wrong tone.
This is what happened to Trump in 2016, right?
So what happened is everybody called Trump the enemy.
He was in like 16th place in Iowa.
And then guess what happened?
He's right.
He did get notoriety.
And he became the most popular person within the conservative movement.
So they are falling for the trap.
I mean, it's easy with Dan Crenshaw and those guys, right?
The Adam Kinzingers, the Jeff Flakes.
They fall for the trap that's laid.
The trap that's laid here is like, yeah, that is actually what's going to happen.
There's going to be a lot of good notoriety that's placed on these people who are standing up for something.
That's what people want.
That's what people wanted in Trump.
And now the question is, is that going to propel them to the success?
Well, it's not going to the same way that it did for president, for Trump, because you had public votes.
That's not how this works for Speaker.
And that's not how it works for the RNC.
Yeah, so the way it works now is this is in suspense.
There are deals trying to be cut to get a more uniparty moderate Republican.
Democrats are willing to basically vote for a moderate Republican, which would even out the House of Representatives.
The Freedom Caucus is now, they're probably screaming at each other right now, McCarthy and the Freedom Caucus.
And they're in conference.
And right now, there is no Speaker of the House.
There is no House of Representatives as of right now.
I think all McCarthy had to do was agree to all the concessions that the Freedom Caucus wanted.
So hopefully that's happening right now.
I hope so.
Tyler, we'll talk more about 127.
You guys can go to hireharmeet.com, H-I-R-E, like you're hiring somebody, harmeet.com, and contact your state chairman or committeeman or committeewoman demanding change at the RNC.
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