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Dec. 30, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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My Conservation with Greg Gutfeld LIVE from AmericaFest 2022
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Supporting The Charlie Kirk Show 00:01:48
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We talk about cancel culture, luggage theft, and the iron dome of wokeism.
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Greg, welcome to Phoenix.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me here.
I love TPUSA.
I love coming here.
And everybody's nice.
Last night I came in.
Nobody runs all over you and jumps on top of you.
They're very, very respectful.
Yes, we train them that way.
The Secret To Success Is Teasing 00:02:58
So, Greg, I first want to say your show is doing amazing.
It is, I want to make sure I get this right, the number one show in the 25 to 30, you know, 2540 demographic, right?
Yeah.
So we did, last year, we were talking about how the show was becoming successful and we were beating Kimmel and Fallon.
And we were talking about, okay, the current late night person is Colbert.
Now, and we were beating him once in a while.
Now I'm number one.
I mean, it's like, it's like.
So, yes.
And it's in the, it's in the, what is called the young person's demographics.
You know, it's because they always like to talk about how Fox, the Fox audience is like your parents and your grandparents and their parents.
Which is true because the audience is so large.
So if you have a large audience, you will have a lot of older people, but we also have more younger people than MSNBC or CNN combined and Comedy Central.
And I loved coming on.
One of the best parts about going on the show is you make your guests feel so comfortable because you actually laugh at their jokes.
Yeah.
And I was like, wow, Greg laughed at my joke.
I actually...
Well, that's, you know, even if it's not funny, Charlie, I will laugh.
No, the secret, the secret, I said this to you before, I'm a broken record.
The secret to the success of the five and Gutfeld is teasing.
And if you have people around, if you can't make fun of somebody or laugh with somebody, then you have no chemistry.
And I think that's what, you know, Kat and Tyra, we have great chemistry.
If you look at the five and you look at Dana and Jesse and myself, us three, like we, it's like a really well-oiled machine.
And now you have the judge and you got Harold and Jessica and what's that guy's name with the mustache?
Anyway, Geraldo.
But anyway, but you can tell, like, you can pass, it's like, it's like a band.
Everybody's got an instrument to play and it's fun.
But then if you compare that to other things, other like ensemble shows on CNN or MSNBC, you can see when it's bad.
You may not notice when it's good.
Like you'll get used to it watching the five, but when you notice when it's bad.
Like Morning Joe.
Yeah, Morning Joe is terrible.
It's like it's, I don't know which one's the puppet and which one's the puppeteer.
But I do miss Don Lemon handing off, or was it Chris Cuomo handing off to Don Lemon?
Both are gone.
The fact I didn't even know they were off CNN goes to show how irrelevant they are.
I really didn't even know that.
According to Don Lemon, he was promoted to the morning show.
Oh, promoted to the desirable 10 a.m. to noon demographic, right?
With their over-the-top ratings.
So you mentioned something interesting, Greg, which is at the core of the success of your program is teasing, which therefore, in order to be able to tease or receive teasing, you must not take yourself too seriously.
Taylor Lorenz And CNN Ratings 00:02:21
Amen.
And that is the 11th commandment of the left.
Thou shalt take themselves seriously.
This is what is killing the left, is that if you take yourself seriously, no one wants to be around you.
And the right has always been used to being made fun of.
Like, we're always the villains in movies.
We get it.
And we like, and oh, you know, we were interested in economics, capitalism, so therefore we must be greedy.
Okay, we'll take it.
You know, but it's like, you can't make fun of them.
And so that's why, so now you're seeing the whole comedy sphere being taken over by really ballsy comedians.
You start seeing it in England, you see Ricky Gervais or Russell Brand.
Russell Brand was a big-time leftist, not anymore.
And it's because he understood that leftism was suffocating comedy.
And in the teasing thing, that's a great correlation you made.
The teasing thing is that kind of like that hotel room flashlight, you know, where you try to look for the, that's how you can tell whether somebody has a sense of humor or not.
And like, if you start making fun of a leftist and they get pissed off, you know, it's you're seeing this now with Twitter.
It's like they were laughing their butts off when somebody would be permanently banned, but you give them a one-day suspension or a seven-day suspension.
They call it a massacre.
Did you notice that?
No, genocide.
Genocide.
They don't talk about fentanyl.
They don't talk about the crime epidemic.
But wait a minute.
You suspended Taylor Lorenz?
Oh my God.
Somebody do a welfare check on her.
Well, I could go on about Taylor Lorenz.
By the way, you know, we have more knowledge about when Jesus Christ was born than Taylor Lorenz.
You ever seen her Wikipedia profile?
They say she was born anywhere between 1984 to 1987.
It's a general range of dates.
Whenever I talk, most people don't understand the references when we talk about her on the show, but I always amp her age up to like the Taylor Lorenz in her mid-50s.
That's exactly.
No, but this is important.
I do have to emphasize this.
Some people are saying, who's Taylor Lorenz?
Taylor Lorenz, I think she still works the Washington Post.
She tried to destroy libs of TikTok's life.
Yes.
And one of the most cruel she would destroy your life.
She's a doxer.
Yes.
She was at the New York Times.
If the New York Times fires a leftist, that's a bad leftist.
Deep Seated Mental Problems 00:03:16
Because generally they don't.
They only fire conservatives, but they even knew she was psychotic.
And there are some people when you look at them, you can see if they got crazy eyes.
She's crazy eyes.
I mean, like Sam Brinton.
Sam Brinton.
Remind people who he is.
Sam Brinton is an American hero.
The non-binary chief assistant of nuclear cleansing, whatever.
Shaved head, bright lipstick, no pedigree whatsoever, except some pretty impressive majors at MIT, but no sources whatsoever.
It's like he doesn't get cited for anything, but he gets this major job in the government.
And why?
Because he ticked the intersectional boxes.
It's the toxin of wokeness.
It doesn't matter if you're incompetent.
And of course, what happens to the crazy eyes thing, when you see somebody that is clearly not well, you can see it.
But wokeism tells you that it's on you.
It's your fault if you see it.
So you look at this guy who dresses up publicly in S ⁇ M and walks men on leashes, right?
But no, you're the weirdo.
How dare you?
He calls it puppy play.
So anyway, for those of you who aren't aware of this, he's gotten busted.
He has a really weird penchant for stealing other people's luggage.
It's creepy, women's luggage.
So what he'll do, and talk about stupid.
There's no more surveillance in the world than in an airport.
It's more than a bank.
And he'll go in and he won't check a bag, but he'll take a bag.
And then he said, oh, it looked like my bag.
And he says, well, it still had my clothes in it.
And that's physically impossible.
And he goes, I left the clothes.
It was in the hotel room.
No, you didn't.
Then they find out he did it in Vegas.
First, he did it in Minneapolis.
So he finally turned himself in.
And it's just, it did give me an idea for a game show called, I think called Baggage Carousel.
Whose luggage is it anyway?
Yes.
That's better.
I hate you, Charlie.
Gee, I actually, imagine a game show where baggage is just going around and the contestants have to grab it and you never know what's in it.
But whose bag is it anyway?
Pretty good.
Yeah, so, but I think what's so interesting about the story, though, is anyone who dare notice, and that's a theme I want to explore with you, Greg, is the crime of noticing.
We were called bigot, anti-trans.
And actually, in reality, it's like, okay, this person has, I believe, deep-seated mental problems.
I don't want to trivialize that.
He is in charge of something rather significant, right?
It's not as if he was in charge of, you know, like he was like a dog catcher for the Sacramento, you know, local, you know, mosquito abatement district.
Okay, this guy's in charge of getting rid of the nuclear waste.
I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, there's something of that, right?
Exactly.
That's exactly what he does.
If you don't do that correctly, I would imagine you would have like a Chernobyl type.
I mean, it's a high-stakes thing.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter because you feel good that you hired him.
It doesn't matter if a disaster is looming.
It's important that you are so progressive and that, you know, oh, my friends are bigots.
High Stakes Nuclear Waste Cleanup 00:11:42
They don't understand this.
I always go back and I think about the families, the families of a sibling or a parent who's going through this.
There's a recent Navy SEALs guy who transitioned, a crisp.
Yeah, and then made an announcement it was a mistake.
That it was a mistake.
And when you listen to him talking about it, it's like, duh.
But imagine his family at the time he was going through that and being forced into silence because of this idea that if you disagree.
So you're sitting there and you're going like, man, I don't want my brother.
I think my brother's got an issue.
He's courageous.
He's won so many medals as a SEAL.
And he's saying that he wants to be a woman.
And there's something wrong here.
Why can't we talk about it?
And what happened in this trans movement is they are smart enough to know that if they can silence you and keep you from talking about it, then it's over.
And so that's why it's amazing.
People might be too young to remember this.
There was something called conversion therapy.
They thought that your child would be gay.
They would like try to make him ungay.
But it was all psychological therapy, maybe some aversion therapy, and it was wrong.
Now the people that claim that it's wrong are willing to mutilate children.
So it's like, okay, if your son is expressing effeminate features or your daughter is expressing masculine features, surgery is the answer.
That's freaking Nazism.
It's insane.
And there are doctors.
There are pediatric associations that are doing this.
And you can follow the money and find, and it's like, it's like, they'll talk about a patient.
They'll go like, a patient can give you hundreds of thousands of dollars over a period of years because of the hormone blockers.
And it's just, it's, I said this on, I don't know what it was.
It was, maybe it was Friday's show.
I keep going, like, where are the adults?
Like, we used to, there used to be people.
It's like, where are the people in your community, whether it was the doctors or law enforcement or political leaders who go like, this is, this whole thing is full of crap.
Well, no one's doing it.
Well, it's because, Greg, where are the men?
Like, let's be more specific, right?
But, you know, you notice who we're stepping up in the parents' meeting, our moms, which is phenomenal and it's admirable.
Yeah.
And that is actually primal when it comes to.
What are we scared of?
This is an interesting thing.
It's like, what happened that made us scared?
Like, we were scared.
Well, the cancel culture exploded.
The idea of being called a racist or a bigot.
But if all of us aren't that and we just said enough, they're done.
You take the power away.
We're living in a time of delusion.
Like this, this kind of trans, and you always have to do the preface when you talk about this.
Of course, there are legitimate people that undergo sex changes.
I'm so, I mean, that preamble, it's like you gotta get preamble.
And they're adults, and you know, like, like Caitlin Jenner waited until the grandkids were grown.
But it's like, you know, to feel that you have to be quiet when they're talking about 13-year-olds or eight-year-olds.
Hell no.
You notice I don't swear as much anymore.
But it's like, no, it's like, it's worth getting canceled.
It's worth it.
There's no bat.
There's honestly, there's no battle other than the battle over private property and how in the last four years, I'd say three years since the riots, we've decided that private property is no longer private.
So you can have looting, you can have arson.
That is potentially as big a problem here.
It's like there's certain under there's certain like fabrics to society that hold us together.
One of them is respecting property and the other one is like biology.
So property and biology is under attack.
These are two huge things.
I remember I was talking to Tucker about this and he said it.
He's like, do you remember in grade school, if a kid got caught stealing something from another kid, that was over.
Like the kid was like shit.
Like it was such a weird thing to know a kid that stole something.
Now it's like you just like everybody's stealing.
It's what's happening.
It's the same thing with biology.
It's like, where are the adults?
We are letting people out of prison.
We are closing prisons.
We are handing rights over to victimizers and we're telling victims that they have to endure it.
That it's like, you know what?
That's the way it goes.
I mean, the recidivism in New York City is insane.
Every single crime committed is never a first-time criminal.
He's on his 12th or 13th.
And we just have to sit there and go like, wow, will anybody stand up for us?
You know, I'm complaining a lot.
I apologize.
Well, no, Greg, this is important.
This is comedy, people.
Well, but this is how this all connects, right?
So the lack of response or without challenging the lie of the DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion, it becomes policy very quickly.
So what begins on a college campus, what begins on your cable television program, what begins on Twitter will then soon become policy.
For example, I remember seven or eight years ago, we hosted one of our first turning point events, and I said something, and I said, I really don't think it's a good idea to be normalizing the fact that you could just choose any gender that you want.
A rather innocent thing to say.
And I remember somebody said, Charlie, that's very inconsiderate, as an older person, considerate of people that have gender dysphoria.
And I didn't think much of it, but not even entertaining that this could get, I don't know, wildly out of control and eventually turn into the chemical castration of 11-year-olds or the medical mutilation of 14-year-olds.
So, Greg, in some ways, we are to blame for not fighting this stuff earlier.
I will take, I kind of, I have to say, when I was doing like Red Eye or the Five and talking about what was happening on campuses, it was under this mocking assumption that it stayed on campus.
It's like, oh, wait till these people, wait till these people get out in the real world, right?
They're not going to get a job, these gender studies majors, these woke, they didn't have a word, it wasn't woke, but let's say PC progress.
They can't get a real job.
Once they need to, the first time they have to pay a bill, they become an adult.
The first time they pay taxes, they'll become a conservative.
Boy, was I wrong because they got, they, they got jobs because of DIE, because what's that other thing that's dealing with corporations, ESG, ESG, which sounds better than it is.
What happened was you had middle management hiring these people that have nothing to do with profit or competence, but are you ticking the right box?
And where did they go?
They went into human resources.
And in human resources, it just continues the churn, this weird churn of like, it has nothing to do with the competence.
And then what it does is it creates a discomforting workplace where, why is this person here?
Why is this person reporting?
This person feels insensitive.
But my point is, I was wrong.
I thought that this stuff would end, but no, Disney.
Look at Disney.
What happened to Disney?
Look at American Girl.
So American Girl, I don't have kids.
I didn't know about that book, but I did that.
I think I did it on my show.
They have a book about like yourself.
It's one of those soft titles.
Whenever you see a children's book that has the word body in it, bad news.
It's like your body, yourselves, my body.
And so I'm looking at the pages and talking about like, you know, if you don't like your gender, there are places that you can go to without telling your parents.
And we have resources for that.
And they have like all these different names.
And I'm going, okay, this is American Girl, the most overpriced toy store in the world.
You're right.
I was talking to Tyrus.
Tyrus was saying, like, you know, you buy these little toys for the doll.
And he said, like, buying like a washing machine was like $70.
It's like, so now you understand why they do the woke stuff.
The woke stuff is their shield against being called greedy capitalists.
So all of this wokeism, which is energized by China, they want our companies to be obsessed with this stuff.
So like, oh, like, I'm not greedy.
Look how many special days we have.
Right?
If you work in a company, how many special days are there?
It's insane.
And sometimes they overlap.
Like, there'll be two special days.
Like, there'll be pan-Icelandic.
And then there'll be Trinidad and Tobago.
And it's like you're going, like, what is going on?
It's like, there's so many.
But it's like, this is what, this is to protect themselves from being the bad guy.
And all they have to do is throw money at this stuff.
And they think it goes away.
So there's two really smart points here, which is wokeism becomes a shield, a almost iron dome missile defense system of the most unethical behaviors of corporate America.
You cannot criticize Goldman Sachs anymore or American Express or Coca-Cola because they say, Hey, we got a bunch of trans people in our HR department.
And don't you know, today is December 18th, which is, you know, the lesbian Navajo Nation Day or whatever.
No offense, love the Navajo Nation, by the way.
Oh, boy.
Some of them by best fans.
But think about this.
And I know you got a lot of football fans out there, but we got to talk about why wokeism was so important to the NFL, right?
You're talking about brain injuries.
You're talking about brain injuries.
Greg, I can't understand this one, right?
Because I don't know, the average NFL viewer doesn't seem overly enthusiastic.
ESPN.
ESPN is a sports network.
There's no sports.
Increasingly, less and less.
But you're right.
You're right.
It's like, so they're looking at the sports, like, this is a great point because Disney appealed to people who don't go to Disney, activists.
Yes.
NFL appeals to people who don't watch football.
So they were appealing to, say, the, I would say, mostly publicists, public relations people that are on the kind of like the exterior of the industries, of all industries.
So they're the ones that go like, they're the white, guilty liberal that'll go like, oh my God, you know, this is so great.
We should be doing this, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, no, the people sitting at home want to watch a football game.
They don't want to be lectured to.
Disney.
Or the, or those like just nauseating helmet stickers they put on the back of their helmet.
It takes all of us.
Like, shut up.
Like, you're making $9 million as a black guy.
I don't need to hear about how it takes all of us, okay?
But how about you go give half your money to school choice in inner city Detroit?
It takes all of us.
No, it doesn't.
Like, you go give your money.
But I mean, you gotta, but there is a there is a mechanism behind this.
And the mechanism is stay away from the brain injury stuff.
That's what it's like.
It's like, again, wokeism is designed as a shield.
So if you look at every company that is doing wokeism, you could almost always find a reason.
It's like the old follow the money.
Follow the guilt.
Oh, that's a good one.
That's really good.
Follow the guilt.
Do you have a TV show where you could talk about that?
If only I had another show, Charlie.
Wokeism Designed As A Shield 00:03:03
Yes.
My God.
But you know, that's what it is.
That's so smart.
Follow the guilt.
So basically, you have people that have become fabulously wealthy, Hollywood celebrities.
Yes, exactly.
And the best one.
Here's the best one.
If you want one person, Harvey Weinstein, biggest left-wing, biggest left-wing supporter of Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Obama, everybody gave millions and millions and millions.
And why?
He was raping women.
Now you see it.
That's like the encapsulation of everything.
That is the symbol.
And all of those people, they couldn't call him out on it because do you remember what he said?
So do you know what Harvey Weinstein said when he was in jail?
If you let me out, I can help defeat climate change.
Do you remember that?
No, I missed that one.
I will dedicate my life to climate change.
The virtue signal was his way to continue his awful, horrible deeds.
He should die.
He should rot in prison.
But he got 30 years.
He got 30 years of sexually assaulting women because he pretended to be for women.
I have a phrase for that.
Geez, I better not.
I call it, no, the P-Pass.
Bill Clinton's, you know, the Kennedys.
As long as you claim you're for women's rights, you can abuse women.
Ted Kennedy was a feminist who apparently forgot his feminism as he fled a car underwater.
Chapaquittic.
Yeah.
Follow the guilt, Sam Bankman Freed.
Yes.
Sam Binkman.
Sam Bankman wanted to make billions of dollars, but realized the way to do that is to veil it under virtue signaling.
He even admitted this, though, in an interview.
Yeah.
Where he said, he said, and it was like, it was a biblical term, sibleths or something in the sense of sibleths, the spirit of the time, basically.
I just have to say the stuff and you'll stop.
I don't even believe it myself.
Yes.
Yes.
I mean, and the funny thing is, if you look at him, I mean, he looks like, I don't know, he looks like an inflated, well, he looks like he could be on the view.
But I mean, like we said before, that is the fattest vegan I've ever seen.
That's right.
Dude, if you're going to be fat, eat meat.
I mean, at least enjoy being fat.
Like, don't tell, don't walk around with, he's got bigger breasts than every woman I've dated.
And I'm like, okay, and you're eating asparagus.
What a horrible life.
You're lying.
And then he opens the fridge, and as Tyrus has pointed out, you can see all these condiments.
It's like, who puts mayonnaise on vegetables?
Who puts mustard on bed?
This guy's eating nothing but hot dogs.
He's the type of guy that steals $8 billion from customers' accounts, by the way.
But then, but what did he do?
He was smart enough to lay out the virtue signaling carpet.
And he goes, No, if you come with me.
Oh, think about this.
I was thinking about this the other day.
So obviously, Tom Brady is one of the guys that is going to be sued.
I think he's being sued because he was one of the motors of FTX.
Media Gaslighting And Family Issues 00:13:05
Yeah.
But think about this.
Brady's going to be fine no matter what he loses.
Imagine all those offensive linemen who, like, he said, hey, throw some money.
You got to buy some.
Imagine all these young guys that didn't know any better.
That, because it's, I find it interesting.
So it's billions and billions with thousands of victims.
And maybe that's why you don't hear that much because the money, like in a Ponzi scheme, is $2,000, $5,000, $10,000.
So they're going, but there are like, there was a school union, it was like $90 million.
Well, the California, the Canadian pension fund, Alberta or something, they put in a ton of money and they lost it all.
But Bankman Fried was playing the game.
It just was too big to sustain.
But he was able to understand, hey, I just have to give money to the correct politicians, say the right stuff.
I won't get investigated.
I won't get criticized.
You mentioned something that I want to make sure we go back and re-emphasize, which is you thought that the nonsense that happened on college campuses would stay there.
The equivalent metaphor I would use is we thought the gain of function research in the Wuhan Institute of Neurology would stay there.
Yes.
And the same way the mind pathogen on college campuses has leaked and infected our entire society.
Exactly.
And then, and when you talk about it, the people defending it will say it's necessary and it's not happening.
I love the fact that when, like with the leftism, it's necessary and it's not happening.
You know what I mean?
Well, it's not as bad as you think, but it's necessary.
There's a great pick your pick yourself.
Either be proud of it or say it's not happening, but don't say, oh, you know, it's that's what the gain of function.
They still, it's still going on.
It's still going on.
And Michael Anton had a great piece where he said, it's not happening and it's good that it is.
Yes, exactly.
And it's just so that's almost everything that happens in society, right?
Yeah.
Which is, hey, the border is perfectly secure and it's a good thing that 5,000 people are coming into our country every single day.
Exactly what it is.
It's like the border, the border is fine.
And they go, but you see, yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's no, but it's every example.
For example, it's, hey, there is no 9% inflation, but it's really good that prices are going up.
Yes.
Yes.
Wait, wait, which is it?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
I guess in that term, what's it called that everybody keeps using?
God, where they paradox contradiction.
People lie to you.
Gaslighting.
Gaslighting.
It's like, see, I hate it so much, I can't remember it.
But it is, it actually is gaslighting.
Gaslighting is way overused.
It wasn't overused a couple years ago, but now it's everywhere because it's true.
Because it's true.
And by the way, gaslighting comes from a 1930s play that where literally a guy was psychologically manipulating his wife by slightly turning down the lights.
And she said, Why is it getting darker in here?
And he said, No, no, you're crazy.
Yes.
And so then it became in psychological literature, 40s and 50s, actually a clinical term of manipulating somebody to say, What you're what don't believe your lying eyes, essentially.
You know, I'm going to repeat that entire story on the five tomorrow and pretend that I came up with that.
I wrote a play called Gaslighting.
Yes.
And then when you deny it, I'm going to go, No, you're crazy.
That's absolutely crazy.
What are you talking about?
I wrote on the way back from Phoenix.
I was never at turning point.
Oh, you can't find a single person who saw me there.
Well, Greg, there's these pictures.
Oh, yeah.
Nice.
You heard what they could do exactly with AI?
Pretty powerful now.
And so, Greg, you mentioned another thing I'm going to harness on, which I do want to make sure at this event we celebrate the good things because we've been talking about some heavy stuff.
But what is your take on the significance, the improbability of what is happening at Twitter?
I mean, more than anything else, it's fun, it's exciting, but it's also, I believe, a moral good for Western civilization that we are able to now speak freely online.
Okay, there's so many, I will be scattershot on this because there's so many good things.
Number one, I did a monologue called, I think it was called the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and I said something like, They got media, they got the arts, and they got academia, they're going to go for social media.
And that's the way it, that's what happened until now.
So finally, we actually are taking something back to a guy who is willing to spend $44 billion on a principal.
And you can tell he's, I mean, when you listen, when you look at, I mean, the greatest thing about this is that he's not just running Twitter, he's using it.
He's using it in front of you.
He's not doing everything, like all the people that are complaining were doing things behind closed doors.
He's doing it right in front of you.
He goes, Okay, I'm going to suspend you.
And then he goes, Should I keep these people suspended?
You guys decide.
The way Elon is running Twitter is how I wish Trump would have run the FBI and the CIA and protests.
No, I'm not, it's not a criticism of Trump because the government is harder, but I think we wanted to see mass firings like, oh, Christopher Ray, Russia Gates suspended.
Yeah.
Like, oh, really?
Like, you're leaking against me?
You're fired.
Like, I mean, that's kind of the energy that we wanted.
Yeah, exactly.
And he's, I think, Musk is showing you how easy it is to do something if you have a single idea.
It's like, if you have a principle, you don't have to think that much about what you're going to do next.
You just do the right thing.
That's so, you know what I mean?
By the way, corporate America has no idea how to handle that.
Yeah.
They're like, wait, you're driven by ideals?
Yeah, exactly.
Wait a second.
I mean, we don't do that around.
How many meetings did you have before you suspect?
I didn't have any meetings.
I just said, hey, hey, guys, this person doxed my plane.
We're going to put him on for seven days.
And they're like, okay.
And you go, you didn't have a meeting?
Why would I have a meeting for that?
Seems so easy.
So he is a singular, he's a heroic force right now.
You know, and it's great.
It's great to see it happening.
And especially after all of the people who are complaining right now had the thumb on the scale.
And the only reason why they're complaining is Musk is showing you where the thumb was and pulled the thumb off.
And they're mad that they're and also, this isn't a speech thing when he did it because, you know, if they're doxing his family, he just turned into a dad.
It's like, you're telling people where my kids are, you're out of here.
And he grounded him.
That's what he did.
And they cried like little babies.
Who cares?
And I loved what he said to them: maybe seven days off Twitter will be good for your soul.
That's what a dad would say.
You know, I would never say that about Fox News.
Like, I would never say, you should stop watching my show for seven days because then I would get in trouble.
But he's like, look, you know what?
Get off Twitter for seven days.
It might be good for you.
It was such a great line.
And not to mention, he's releasing the Twitter files.
They get so angry.
And by the way, you know why they're angry?
Because you're supposed to cover it up.
Yeah.
Yes.
Powerful people, when you inherit something that another powerful person did that was wrong, you shred, destroy, smash, or bleach bit.
Powerful people never tattle or leak on other powerful people.
That's like an unspoken fact of the Aspen ski lift.
Yes, exactly.
Which is, hey, I got your back in case in an MA I find out that you were, I don't know, embezzling money.
Yeah.
And then, and then when something big comes out, they're like, oh, yeah, everybody knew.
Going back to the Weinstein thing, or the Italian Briscolone, Silvio, the prime minister who had these orgies.
Everybody knew.
All of a sudden, everybody in power knew about it.
Yeah, which one?
But, you know, Silvio Bertlusconi.
Turns out he gets these like crazy underage things.
And it's like, oh, yeah, everybody in power.
Oh, yeah.
That's those.
Why didn't you say anything?
Oh, perfect.
Epstein.
You know, oh, that's no surprise.
They said, well, it is to us.
We think it's weird.
But it's also, I mean, I just got, you know, there's a lot of media here, and the media smears all of you as conspiracy theorists far too often.
And the thing that you have to respond with, if you ever called that, say, hold on a second.
10 years ago, if I were to mention that a former president was flying on a private jet to an island with underage girls, you would have smeared me as a conspiracy theorist.
So maybe you should expand the horizons of what is possible and what is happening and stop calling people names and entertain that there might be more to the story actually unfolding.
It's kind of interesting to see how the family as an issue is bifurcated into you know a parents' party and an anti-children party.
Well, I call it the perverts party.
Yeah, that's a you can you can get away with that.
No, I think I'll call it the perverts party, but it's not as much fun.
Pervert party sounds fun.
This is people that are based on fun.
Charlie, come on, I'll take you to some parties in Italy.
No, no, but no, it is this.
It's like, you know, you don't mind that kids are being taken from their parents or having these anonymous whatever dealings with surgeons.
That's not, that's crazy.
Or having, I don't know, like even Drag Queen Story Hour, if you talk about it, people go, oh, you're so stayed.
It's like, no, dude, drag queen story hour, I'd love it.
But there's something that we used to call age appropriateness.
That's all we're saying.
Saying, if you want, hey, look, if you want to do your drag queen story hour, you go ahead, do it to your, to the, do it with your children, your, you know, family.
But you know what?
There's something like third graders, don't you, like, there's something insane about that.
And so that the Republican Party is now becoming the voice for sense, and they're becoming the voice for just chaos and weirdness.
Yeah, and then you're the bigot for saying that.
Yeah, it's probably not a good thing to have second graders exposed.
Exactly.
And there's something wrong with you.
And this is the funny thing: that, like, what have you, what have you gone through for the past 15 years?
You've been called a racist.
So, what, what, what's kind of what I always look for the analogy, kind of like the correlation.
The correlation is calling them a groomer.
Watch them how upset they get.
It's like that's where you get you kicked off Twitter.
Yeah.
If you call them a groomer, it's like, but it's like, okay, so now you know how it feels.
Every time I did something on Fox, I was called, I was called a racist or a bigot, and there was no evidence whatsoever.
So now I go, like, okay, so you're for this, you're for this.
Sounds to me like you're a groomer.
What kind of adult stranger would want to keep things from the parents of other children?
That sounds like a groomer.
So, Greg, just to kind of put a capstone on the Twitter topic, that's a major development over the last calendar year.
That's a civilizational change in how we're able to interact, have dialogue, challenge authority.
I mean, can you just build out the significance of that a little bit more?
Well, I think that we are like, this is perhaps, okay, I said this before.
What runs the media for the longest time was Twitter?
Because people in the media, in the mainstream media, don't have original ideas.
So they look, if there's an incident that occurs, they look to media for that narrative.
And the narrative is controlled by the people that control Twitter.
They turn that faucet off.
They turn that faucet on.
You ever notice how there's no news during the holidays?
That's because all the media went on vacation.
It's a narrative.
There's no news.
There's no news when they're at the Hamptons.
It's so strange.
So it's like, so what Musk has done is, hey, he removed the power source.
That's a big deal.
That's a big deal.
That means all of those things that were silenced, the half, the 50% of stories that you never saw now reappear.
And all of a sudden, you start noticing on your feed that there's no more crazy people coming after you.
And it's just strange.
But now you're seeing real stuff.
Before you thought you saw the news, you didn't see the news.
You were seeing manufactured narratives from a select group of progressives.
That's done.
And it's too hard for them to make it.
The best testament of this is watching them try to make a new Twitter and it's called Mastodon.
Have you seen this?
It's hilarious.
Can you think of a worse name?
Mastodon, by the way, is a great metal band.
It's not a liberal social media entity.
It just sounds really dark.
I mean, if I were to name a James Bond villain, Mastodon.
But it's hilarious is they're banning each other.
They're banning.
So some leftist goes, I'm done with Twitter.
And that person goes to Mastodon, and that person linked a New York Times piece got banned for Mastodon for linking a New York Times piece.
So it's like, there's nothing more pleasurable than watching the left, you know, eat their own.
Mastodon is where the big meal is.
You said something super smart the other day where you said Twitter is the assembly line of elite opinion.
Yeah, which is exactly right, where it kind of gets put together.
All right, so we only got a couple minutes remaining here, Greg.
We have a massive student audience, a really big student activist army at Turning Point USA.
You know, I always like to have you talk about, you know, what it's like to be in a community where you're not in the ideological minority.
You live in one in New York City.
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The importance of speaking out, how you developed your career.
Just riff on that a little bit.
I always say, I said this, I think I said it the last time I was here.
And I'm going to say it again because I think it's the most important thing because I wish somebody had said it to me.
When you're outnumbered by somebody about an idea, let's say it's abortion, something that's like divided, you know, and you're in a situation on a campus, there's seven people just laughing at you.
You really don't believe the whole thing they always say to you is, you really don't believe that, do you?
You really don't believe that.
Come on.
Somebody's done that to you about something.
Your answer has to be, why is it important to you that I agree with you?
That's step one.
Because that forces them to ask themselves why they need to have a group.
It's like, why is it important for me?
Why is it important for you to have me agree with you?
And then the second part is, and I want to phrase it carefully because it's poignant.
Why would I, meaning you, why would I put myself through this when I could just be you?
Why would I choose to be ridiculed by you people when I could just be you?
Why am I doing that?
Do you ever wonder that?
Do you ever wonder why I'm suffering the slings and the arrows?
Do you ever wonder that maybe there's something more to this than what you think it is?
Why am I not, why should I join you?
My life would be so much easier, but I'm not.
Do you ever wonder why?
I don't even know if there's a response to that.
And what it does is it exposes that you really believe what you believe and that you believe it at a cost.
Yes.
And you might actually, out of those seven or eight people, one of them might actually go, wow, that person just told me I'm a sheep and they're right.
And maybe I should think about that.
You might not, it may not happen.
You may not get any of them, but it happened to you.
I mean, I learned from looking at other people.
And if you stand and you stand for your beliefs and you go like, look, yeah, I get it.
It would be so much easier.
The thing, saying it would be so much easier if I were you, I get it, but I'm not.
You should think about that.
That's like they will go like, wow, it's like they have to go home and then they have to do the strategic empathy where they have to think about, well, what is, why does Charlie think that way?
What does Charlie know that maybe I should listen to?
And that's the poke.
That's the first poke.
And it also makes you just seem pretty cool.
Greg, any closing thoughts?
I always have a great time here.
I think you guys are doing great work.
You know, you guys didn't exist when I was around.
And who knows?
You know, I was basically alone.
Yeah, at Berkeley.
So great job, you guys.
Greg, I speak on behalf of all the people here.
Your show's really special.
And we thank you for making us laugh and making fun of the bad guys.
God bless you, Greg.
Thanks so much.
Thank you, everybody.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.
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