After a short Christmas break at The Charlie Kirk Show, Charlie is back in studio to quickly catch up on a wild end to the year. First he digs into updates on Kari Lake's lawsuit, and new developments from Pinal County that have made Abe Hamadeh's AG race even closer than it was before. Then, Charlie explores one of the most baffling stories in memory: The saga of George Santos, who won a seat in Congress after apparently fabricating every single detail in his biography. Should Republicans compel Santos to resign? Or does the tenuous situation in Congress demand a different reaction instead? And wait a minute, why do Democrats *now* care about prominent politicians lying about their past?Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Election Law Violations00:08:46
Hey everybody, today the Charlie Kirk show, latest of Kerry Lake's lawsuit update, Abraham Homeday and George Santos, the court jester.
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In the last week, Carrie Lake and Abe Homeday's legal challenges met a certain fate.
Now, it's not over.
There are appeals that are unfolding.
But let's start with Carrie Lake.
So last week, right, I think on Christmas Eve or the eve of Christmas Eve, Kerry Lake's lawsuit was dismissed by a judge.
I believe this ruling was incorrect, although predictable, given the lack of courage and given the lack of conviction that has unfortunately permeated the American legal community, especially judges.
The judge basically said, sure, there's a lot of things that went wrong, but there's very little evidence that this was done intentionally.
So it really is this question of incompetence versus malevolence.
Effectively, the judge said, yeah, okay, there were long lines and there were machine failures, but can you prove to me that it was done intentionally?
Of which that really is an irrelevant question, isn't it?
Why does he get to set the standard of intent?
It should be the question of impact, not the question of intent.
If the question is simply intent, then the practitioner just has to say, well, I didn't mean to do it.
I'm just kind of an idiot.
And in this case, it is so black and white, it would be as if you run somebody over with your car and there's no such thing as third-degree murder.
We're not saying necessarily there has to always be first-degree murder when it comes to elections, but there's no way to hold Maricopa County accountable at all.
There's no remedy if they just say, well, I guess I was just being an idiot.
I was driving drunk.
I didn't mean to do it.
That was basically their defense.
So Carrie Lake is now appealing to the Arizona Supreme Court.
She is appealing to the Division I of the Arizona Court of Appeals, but also seeking, quote, a direct review by the Arizona Supreme Court, either by petition for emergency transfer or by special action.
I'm not really sure what that means, maybe to hike it up even further in the courts.
Now, interestingly, let's put the Kerry Lake case on pause.
This judge ruled incorrectly.
I was not shocked by it.
Unfortunately, we see time and time again, these judges do the bidding of the feckless and corrupt regime.
But let's kind of put that on hold for a second.
What is more interesting is the recount that happened in Abraham Homiday's race, the Arizona Attorney General's race.
Now, in the Arizona Attorney General's race, a mandatory recount was necessary.
Pinal County, which is a Republican county.
It's a Republican, very rural county south of Maricopa County, did a recount.
And the recount started, and it showed Mays or Hayes or whatever her name is, I think it's Mays Hayes, whatever her name is, up 550 votes.
After the recount, it now shows that Abe Homeday trails by 250 votes, effectively eroding 45% of the lead in the Attorney General's race.
You think about that.
That's just a simple recount in one county.
Now, you look at the, it's Chris Mays, by the way.
So it's Chris Mays, who was enjoying a 500-vote lead in one county.
In one recount, you found a 300-vote discrepancy.
What do you think you would find if you did an actual audit of Pima County or Apache County or Navajo County?
That is a single county that showed a 300-vote discrepancy that was harming Abraham Homiday.
300 votes.
And so what we need now is a hand recount in every single county across Arizona, but that's probably not going to happen.
Right now, we have an attorney general's race that is within 250 votes out of 2 million votes, and they are rushing.
They are running to get this done by January 2nd.
Now, the Kerry Lake situation is critical, but it is even more egregious what is happening with Abraham Homiday.
And in many different ways, what's happening at Abraham Homiday is impacting the Kerry Lake race, where you have a 45% difference in counting votes, 45% change in the margin.
And you're trying to tell me we shouldn't go to a hand recount in every single county?
What are these judges looking at exactly?
If you're a judge, you say, oh, wow, one county, 40, one county impacted the statewide margin by 45%.
If I was a judge, I would order a recount in every single county in Cochise, in Yavapai, in La Paz, in Gila, and yes, of course, in Maricopa, but especially in the most corrupt Democrat county in Pima.
And then why not Coconino, which is another corrupt Democrat county in Arizona.
So you now have an Attorney General's race separated by a couple hundred votes.
The Pinal County recount discrepancy is shocking, according to experts in Arizona elections.
You look at this right here: the tabulation and administration issues have affected the attorney general's race.
It is now only 200 votes, more or less, that are going to impact the future of the entire attorney general's race in Arizona.
That was 500 until a single county recounts and they say, oh, sorry, now we're at 200.
And these are just recounts done with machines.
This is not a hand recount.
Abraham Homiday should be suing immediately, demanding a hand recount.
But the forces that are behind the scenes, the power, if you will, the administrators of the Arizona elections want to ram this through.
They want to jam this through.
And who is the person that is overseeing all of this?
Katie Hobbs.
Now, we said the entire time that Katie Hobbs should not be allowed to administer her own election, that Katie Hobbs should not be able to be the referee of her own Super Bowl game.
She should not be able to be the umpire of her own World Series game.
She should not be able to be the impartial mediator of a game that she is personally invested in.
Abraham Hamaday has tweeted, quote, Katie Hobbs had the results of the recount illegally sent to her office for reconciliation and accuracy when it should have gone from the counties directly to the court.
This is how Democrats operate.
They openly violate the law.
It is maddening.
And I know this creates a fair amount of cynicism, a fair amount of disgust and anger because when we break the law, when we don't even break the law, when we're suspected of breaking the law, our side goes to jail in record numbers.
When the government breaks the law, they get promoted to governor.
Katie Hobbs breaks the law.
Maricopa County breaks the law.
Stephen Richard breaks the law.
Bill Gates breaks the law.
And all they have to say is, well, I didn't mean to do it.
Scranton's Dark Legacy00:02:59
I didn't mean to rob the bank.
I didn't mean to run the person over.
I didn't mean to burn the house down.
Oh.
Is that a defense in criminal court?
The answer is no.
It might lower the threshold of what the state is able to prosecute you for, third-degree murder versus first-degree murder.
The question should not be about intent.
It's impossible, nearly impossible to prove intent 35 days after an election or 40 days after an election when they're able to burn documents and hold, withhold evidence.
The question should not be intent.
It should be impact.
Was there a fair election?
No, there was not.
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The person who is suspected of murdering the four Idaho college students, which was on the verge of becoming a cold case, has been arrested.
It is Brian Christopher Koberger, 28 years old of Scranton, Pennsylvania, and is the suspect in the Idaho massacre.
Reportedly, a, again, this is all allegedly, reportedly a PhD student in criminology at Washington State University in nearby Pullman, Washington.
If we can get the picture up on screen, you'll see that the eyes are the windows to the soul.
And there's something that doesn't exactly sit right when you look at a picture of this guy allegedly murdering four college kids.
Not sure I would be thrilled to see that guy walking down the street at 3 a.m.
Okay, we're going to follow that story.
And it's a very sick story, by the way.
I don't know how familiar you are with that, but four murders with a knife.
Future of the Republic00:05:32
And it seems to, we don't know if this guy has any connection or why he was in Scranton, Pennsylvania.
People that do a lot of damage tend to come from Scranton, Pennsylvania.
And I'm not talking about Michael Scott.
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So look, someone says here, Charlie, I don't agree with you.
It shouldn't be intent, but it should be impact.
No, I'm not saying it should be intent.
I'm saying that's the standard that the judge has based on Arizona law and the standard that the judge decided to follow.
I agree, it shouldn't be intent.
How on earth are you going to prove intent in a matter of a couple weeks when you are an outside plaintiff against the government?
All they have to do is say, well, you know, we didn't mean to do it.
All we have to say is, yeah, I mean, you know, we're just incompetent.
We're not really good at our job.
If intent is the threshold, then they just never have to admit that they were trying to ambush or sabotage this election, of which the question that needs to be answered, of which the government avoided and the judge did not do a good enough job of pinning down is: okay, why is it that the machines passed the test the night before?
Why is it the machines were working perfectly and working swimmingly?
Why is it the machines were working so well?
And then after the machines were working great the night before, 52% of them crash on election day.
Why is that?
What caused that to happen?
That was all by mistake?
That was incompetence?
No, that is too widespread to attribute to incompetence.
And what is so unfair and what is so deeply unjust is that you have an outside candidate, a citizen of Cary Lake, that is doing her best to prove this case against the government.
And the government just hides documents, withholds testimony, says, oh, yeah, this is perfectly normal.
Stephen Richard, who comes on a Zoom call on vacation.
I mean, come on, everything just worked just fine.
And that is the standard?
No, the standard should be that you had four-hour waiting lines in Anthem.
The standard should be that we have in our email inbox people that were unable to vote.
Somebody said right here, Charlie, I'm so tired of hearing about Arizona.
It's a waste of time.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
I'm going to say this as nicely as I can.
You're wrong.
This is the future of the entire republic.
The entire country goes through Arizona.
What they did in Arizona will only multiply into your neighborhood into more places and previously red states.
There is no way to win back America without winning Arizona.
Period.
There is no math.
It does not work electorally.
It does not work through the Senate.
It doesn't work congressionally.
It does not work through securing the border.
So you can choose not to care.
That is not a luxury that a patriotic American has right now.
Every state matters, but the way our system is set up is currently certain elections matter more than other elections.
The Arizona Attorney General's race and the Arizona governor's race just matters more right now than dog catcher in Corvallis, Oregon.
I hope the dog catching race in Corvallis, Oregon goes well.
I really do.
I hope that a strong constitutional conservative becomes dog catcher in Corvallis, Oregon.
But I'm worried about whether or not the Republic is going to fall apart because it all goes through the railhead, the red line of state 48.
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Okay, I want to get to some tape here and then we're going to get into the very strange saga of this Santos character.
Let's go to Cut 15, Carrie Lake on the Great Steve Bannon's program about sanctions against her for Katie Hobbes lawyers.
So the question is: should now Carrie Lake's lawyers be sanctioned?
I'll be very honest.
I'm largely uninterested in this question.
Justice for Elections00:15:31
I'm more interested in whether or not there will be justice to the election, but I think it's important for one minor reason: that they want to punish anybody that dares bring an election integrity lawsuit and challenges the outright injustice of what our elections have become.
Play Cut 15.
And the fact that they want to say I had no merit with this lawsuit, I am standing up for the people of this state, the people who were done wrong on election day.
People of Arizona want me to stand up for them and get some answers as to what happened in our election.
We really should have our elected officials doing that.
And now they're trying to sanction me to pay for their lawyers.
This is outrageous.
The judge, by the mere fact that he allowed this case to go forward, he looked at our lawsuit, he allowed two of the counts to go forward, shows that it had merit.
So, look, this is important in this regard, okay, is that the sanctions could potentially prevent us from doing other lawsuits in the future.
For example, it creates an obligation to not be frivolous and it could create other potential bad precedents.
And so, where we are at right now is that the Abe Homiday margin was changed by 45%.
45%.
And we are likely not going to get a hand recount, even though we demand and deserve one.
Who cares if we demand one, right?
We deserve a hand recount.
You have just one county, Pinal County, which is a Republican county that miscounted their ballots by 300 votes.
Now, you might say, well, Charlie, didn't the whole state just do a recount?
No, they did a machine recount.
They just put the same ballots to the same machines the same way they did.
And it just so happens Pinal County caught that there were 300 vote.
There was a 300-vote discrepancy.
What do you think that discrepancy is in Pima County?
I would guess at least 5,000 to 6,000 votes.
How about signature verification?
And this is one of the issues of the era of mass mail-in voting.
And Mark Elias knows this.
Mark Elias has been suing and suing and suing to relax the signature verification threshold.
So, what is a signature verification?
Signature verification is: okay, let's just say my signature looks a certain way.
If I scribble, it'll get accepted even if it's remotely close.
Or there's almost no signature verification.
And so, if you have mass mail-in voting, which I can't stand mail-in voting, I think it should all be sunsetted and put out to pasture and should be taken out behind the barn, whatever sort of metaphor you want to use to get rid of something.
However, if you have mail-in voting, the only way that it could sort of work is if you have robust, stringent, and heavily enforced signature verification thresholds.
That you reject a lot of ballots, you are going to have to reject a fair amount of ballots.
If you don't do that, then you do not have any integrity in your elections at all whatsoever.
And that is exactly what we are living through right now in Arizona.
Now, by the way, the judge ruled in Kerry Lake's favor about sanctions.
She did not have to pay $200,000 to $300,000 in sanctions, but was hit with $30,000 in witness fees.
Now, mind you, Kerry Lake is still appealing through the Division I of the Arizona Court of Appeals, right?
So, look, I just want to manage expectations.
I did this throughout the first Kerry Lake challenge.
It is unlikely that this challenge will bear any fruit.
That is a tragedy.
I don't like it.
I wish it would.
But I want to make sure all of your expectations at home are properly managed and that you do not unnecessarily get your hopes up.
And you say, Charlie, you spent all this time getting my hopes up and then we just crash and burn.
I have too much respect for you and your time to do that.
But let me tell you what should happen.
What should happen is a judge should order a new election.
That's unfortunately very unlikely.
Okay, let's shift gears here.
By the way, you guys can email us your thoughts: freedom at charliekirk.com.
Any thoughts on this?
We have one here where someone says that it was Kerry Lake's lawyer's fault that they did not do a good enough job.
Okay, I thought they did fine.
I watched a fair amount of it.
That's a tough position to be in.
We are getting a fair amount of emails of people saying they did not like the arguments that were made.
And just to be clear, and I said this from the outset, the likelihood of winning an election challenge from the beginning was very, very low.
And we did say that, and that's important because judges are unlikely to do something bold and dramatic.
Judges almost always go with what the status quo is when it comes in elections, unless, of course, it's Mark Elias suing on behalf of black disenfranchisement.
Okay, let's get to Santos.
Okay, so this is a very important story because right now, Kevin McCarthy is trying to become Speaker of the House.
Republicans are enjoying a four-seat majority.
And the New York Times decided to come out with a series of articles investigating and exposing this guy, George Santos.
So let me just be very clear.
I never heard the name George Santos before the last couple of weeks.
Yes, I know I probably should have known him.
He ran in Long Island.
He was one of the swing seats.
Not exactly a candidate I was super enthusiastic about, definitely more on the moderate spectrum.
And that's fine.
Okay, but the investigations into this guy by the media have been rather extraordinary.
And so Santos ran as first and foremost, allegedly being a gay candidate.
So that's just like the first part of it.
And we'll get into that.
So look, Santos is the newly elected representative of the New York redrawn third district, which covers portion of Queens and Long Island.
He won the race by about eight points.
Pretty amazing.
It was rated as a slightly Democrat-leaning seat beforehand.
So this was a little bit of an upset.
Santos had actually ran for this seat in 2020, but he lost.
Otherwise, nothing remarkable, but lost, but otherwise nothing remarkable really happened.
But then suddenly after he won, it comes out that almost everything in his biography is a fabrication.
So Santos claimed to be Jewish and that his maternal grandparents fled the Holocaust to come to America.
But research has shown that both of his maternal grandparents were born in Brazil.
Yeah, I don't think that's where Auschwitz was.
Incredibly, Santos told the New York Post they never claimed to be Jewish, but only Jew, hyphen-ish.
That claim is probably the only authentically Jewish thing about Santos.
It sounds like a Seinfeld joke of like, yeah, I'm sort of Jew-ish.
I'm Jewish in spirit.
But it's not just his religious background.
Santos then claimed to work in finance for government SACS and for Citigroup.
But the companies have no record of him doing so during the time he claimed to be working in the financial sector.
There's evidence that he was working as a customer service agent instead for the Dish Network.
Santos also said he got a degree in finance from Baruch College or Barak College in 2010.
But there's no record of him attending there.
And now Santos admits that he never graduated college.
Santos said he also attended the elite Horace Mann Preparatory School in Bronx.
That also just appears to be a fabrication.
Santos claimed to be a small-scale landlord with 13 tenants who had gone to Linkland on rent.
Now he admits he owns no real estate.
And Santos himself instead says he's been evicted multiple times.
Santos says he is gay and in fact would be the first openly gay Republican in Congress, but he has an ex-wife that he divorced in 2019.
Despite this, Santos specifically said that he has, quote, never had an issue with my sexual identity in the past decades.
He now says he's married to a man, but the Daily Beast could find no record of such a marriage.
Santos said he has found, just keeps going.
Santos said that he founded an animal charity, Friends of Pets United, but no incorporated or corporated charity of that name exists in New York.
There's also evidence that Santos held a fundraiser in 2017 that charged $50 admission, but then didn't forward any money to the supposed beneficiary.
Now, this is not a lie per se, but Santos has an outstanding check fraud and charge in Brazil.
And so this is all pretty bad and embarrassing.
It just goes to show that he's a pathological liar.
Tulsi Gabbard challenged him.
I got to give him credit.
I mean, after all of this to go on Fox News and still have the backbone and the gall to defend yourself, play cut 14.
We can debate my resume and how I worked with firms such as Golden Group.
Is it debatable or is it just false?
No, is it debatable or is there debatable?
No, no, it's not false at all.
It's debatable.
I can sit down and explain to you what you can do in private equity, in capital intro, via servicing limited partners and general partners.
And we can have this discussion that's going to go way above the American people's head.
But that's not what I campaigned on.
I campaigned on delivering results for the American people by lowering inflation.
I can sit down and if you want to have that discussion, I'd be glad to, Tulsi, to explain that to you and make sure that we settle the score.
This is not about settling scores.
And I think you just kind of highlighted, I think, my concern and the concern that people at home have.
You're saying that this discussion will go way above the heads of the American people, basically insulting their intelligence.
So not only are you now backtracking lies that you've told, but you're saying that you can't explain it in a way that your constituents would actually be able to understand.
I can explain it in a way that these lies or to be a different person.
What do you think Mr. Santos should do?
Should he resign?
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So let me just kind of first give you my moral take on Mr. Santos.
Mr. Santos is obviously a deceiver beyond.
He's a liar.
He's also just kind of a clown.
Goes on TV almost zero shame.
I'll be very honest, I don't like him.
I don't like him.
I don't like anything about him.
I don't like his smugness.
I don't like his attitude.
I don't like his condescension.
I don't like the lies.
I don't like what he calls the fibbing or the debate or the elitism.
I don't like any of it.
I don't like the fabrication.
I don't like any of it.
I'm not going to say something nice about Santos.
But what should one do then?
What should Santos do?
I do not believe Santos should resign.
I don't.
We are in a bitter gridlock against a Marxist, revolutionary, communist force that wishes to tear down and destroy our entire country.
Whether I like it or whether you like it or not, the maybe gay, maybe not, maybe Jewish, maybe Brazilian, maybe animal lover, maybe not, Pillsbury doboy-looking guy who's a liar from Long Island actually plays a role in saving the republic.
His integrity is gone.
So is everybody else in Washington, D.C.
They all lie.
I hate it.
Makes me want to take a shower after listening to it.
Willard Mitt Romney lies.
All these Republicans that just sent all this money to Ukraine lied.
That's all they do is lie.
Mitch McConnell lied.
Blumenthal lies.
Joe Biden lies.
Nancy Pelosi lies.
They all lie.
And so we are in a big struggle.
We do not have the luxury right now to say, oh, well, you know, Santos is a pretty bad guy.
But, you know, all that inside insider trading for Pelosi, we're going to turn a blind eye to that.
I am laughing at some of the people that say, we must excommunicate Santos and demand his resignation.
Why?
No, no, seriously, what is the argument?
By what standard?
It's terrible what he did.
He's a clown.
I don't like the guy at all.
But here's the reality.
We are in a big struggle, and we need to use whoever we can.
And this clown from Long Island, this liar, is part right now of the vanguard of keeping the House majority.
If Santos resigns, we lose 20% of our House margin.
That does not help anybody.
We need every vote we can to save the Republic.
It's that much easier than to pull off some coup to make like Liz Cheney House Speaker.
So guess what?
The way that George Santos, the lying court jester, can atone is keep your head down and vote as conservative as possible.
That's the way you can atone for your obvious lies and deception.
You think the liberals are going to thank you when you resign?
You think you're going to have some sort of parade and you have some sort of courage?
No, of course not.
They're going to be thrilled that they were able to pick off another member of the House of Representatives to get closer to abolishing the Electoral College, making D.C. and Puerto Rico a state, getting rid of private property as we know it, and to destroy any semblance of victory we have from the midterm elections.
Let me just reiterate it.
I don't like Santos.
I think he's scummy.
He's slimy.
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I look at him.
I say, there's something wrong with that guy.
Okay, keep your head down and go vote.
Now, we had someone email Charlie.
I don't like the sound of that.
It sounds like you're justifying his lies.
No, I'm not.
What I am saying is I'm being real.
I'm not willing to lose 20% of our House majority to appease the unethical, immoral, lack of integrity New York Times.
While they say, oh, yeah, you know, Santos has to resign, but Elizabeth Warren can lie about being from the Cherokee tribe and Blumenthal can lie about his service in Vietnam.
Let me say something clearly for those of you in the cheap seats.
Elon Omar has done things, done things, not said things, far more immoral and unethical than George Santos.
Now, someone will say, well, Charlie, that makes us no better than the Democrats.
If I wanted my members of Congress to be moral arbiters, I would have a completely different opinion.
Santos is a mess.
I hope he gets his life straightened out.
Now, go vote to make sure that our kids don't get chemically castrated.
Go vote to make sure we don't get invaded.
That you can still do.
Go on a process of atonement by voting to save the republic.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.
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