From Bernie Backer to 'Right Wing Extremist' with Tim Pool
Charlie sits down with YouTube's #1 Live Streamer, who tells his story of how he went from a Greenpeace, Bernie backing activist and atheist to believing in God and believing the political Right will save the country. Hosting Timcast IRL Mon-Fri at 8pm ET on YouTube, Tim explains his uniquely American journey, one that is very illuminating of the same transformation many young Americans have traveled in the last ten years battling the excesses of wokeness, Occupy Wall Street, and the legacy news media. One of the most famous interviewers in the country, Charlie flips the script and interviews the one and only, Tim Pool. Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Everybody, Tim Poole is here.
Tim, welcome in.
How's it going?
Thanks for having me.
I finally get to interview you now.
Oh, all right.
That's very cool.
Because I've been on your show.
You've been, I think, three times now.
You've been nice enough to have me on.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's great to have you.
We got to get you another debate.
Oh, totally.
I'm totally on that.
We saw that poster downstairs with you and Vosh, like the MMA.
Do you think it's best to do it again with Vosh or maybe somebody else?
Somebody else.
I mean, Vosh is one of the few who's willing to consistently do it.
Yeah, got to give him credit for that.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, fair.
But somebody else.
You are the number one most viewed live streamer on YouTube.
For a live audience, apparently that's the case.
Media Matters was insulting me.
And that was one of their strong talking points, like, fear him.
He's the biggest.
And I was like, I didn't know that.
I knew we had some large presence when it came to live, but I didn't know that we average basically at the top on YouTube for live shows.
How'd you get to that place?
Started live streaming every day.
I think consistency.
We started doing a nightly show Monday through Friday, and we've always done it with very few days off, holidays and stuff like that.
But I think for the average person, it becomes a routine where it's you get back from work, you're cooking dinner.
And they watch on their TVs.
They watch on their smart TVs mostly.
That's been a big, big advance.
So tell us your story.
You grew up in Chicago.
Oh, yeah.
Now you're number one on YouTube.
How did that work?
Southside of Chicago.
We have that in common.
Well, you're Arlington Tonight.
I had some friends up there skating.
But yeah, south side of Chicago by Midway.
So it's like Southwest.
I don't know, man.
I got introduced to pop punk music, which introduced me into more punk music.
Skateboarding became very popular, which introduced me to a bunch of anarchists and very politically minded people.
My family risked everything to open a small business.
I'll put it that way, which ultimately, I think, destroyed my family.
My mom and dad happily married, three kids, you know, dog.
My dad's a firefighter.
My mom said she wanted to do something more.
She wanted to open a coffee house to actually build something she could leave to us, you know, when they're old or whatever.
So there could be a chain of cafes or something, something more, you know, entrepreneurial family.
So we took a lot of risks, put up the house as collateral, things like that.
And then when I was working at this coffee house, I was like nine to 11 years old.
It was in Wrigleyville slash Boys Town in Chicago, North Halstead.
And so everything there was very, very political because it was a gay neighborhood.
And I don't mean LGBTQ, like literally gay.
So it's like most people live there were men who liked men, but they're talking politics all day.
So if I'm making a coffee as like a 10-year-old kid or grabbing a muffin or something, there's people talking about policy, vote, things like that.
So it was kind of ancillary.
I didn't know too much, but I will tell you this as an aside.
My mom wouldn't let me go outside during Pride.
And you know why, right?
I could speculate.
Oh, yeah, everyone's naked.
There's like gratuitous sexual acts.
And so my mom was like, you can't go outside.
And so I was a little kid.
I couldn't go outside.
But anyway, we can talk more about that in a second.
So anyway.
Not allowed to say that, Tim.
Children should be involved in pride parades, right?
But I mean, it's funny that like my mom is this liberal who supports gay rights, but has her kid kept inside like it's not appropriate for children.
Like, hey, it's kind of like where I'm at these days where, you know, I've got friends who are LGBTQ and I don't think certain things are appropriate for children, especially what's going on in San Antonio.
But I'll give you the long story short, I guess, with that is when construction started happening and my family started falling apart, my dad is unhappy with the current situation because my mom's working all the time and he, you know, he's, there's no one watching the kids.
He ultimately just says, I can't do this.
And the bills were racking up.
People were stealing from the business.
It was brutal.
And so my mom decides we're going to shut it down, which brought us into bankruptcy, lost the house.
Wow.
Family parents still ended up getting divorced because it was so messy.
How old were you?
When it all fell apart, like 12.
Wow.
What year was this?
This is 1999, I think.
Got it.
Yeah, around 99 because I was born in 86.
But then a couple years later, right before I turned 14, I think my parents were like, we're getting divorced.
Like losing the house was bad.
Then we were living in a rental.
The fighting never stopped.
And eventually they're just like, we can't do this anymore.
And so, but, but, you know, throughout that is what basically gets me more active in politics, I guess, the experience I had with my family's business.
Then skateboarding became popular.
You skateboard as like a generic, you know, kind of trend thing.
But then a bunch of these skateboarders are anarchists who are listening to punk rock for some reason.
Don't ask me why.
And then I started listening to music that's more punk rock.
They start talking about things that are overtly political.
I start looking into those political things.
Then I become very political.
And then from there, that's like the trajectory into constantly being involved in some kind of political element of the world, be it activism or whatever.
So by the time I was like 20, I was actually doing fundraising for nonprofits like Greenpeace, the ACLU, Human Rights Campaign, Save the Children, Children International, et cetera, et cetera, homeless shelters.
So that was like me being, hey, you know, like I care about the world.
I care about politics.
I'm sick of the BS.
I'm going to actively get involved in these.
I'm going to find a career doing things that matter.
And the long story short of that whole career arc is all these nonprofits just want money.
If they actually were to solve the problems they complained about, they'd go out of business.
So in the end.
So you started as kind of like a social justice activist.
Is that fair to say?
I don't know about social justice because my dad was, you know, like my mom's half Korean, like Korean and Japanese.
My dad's this tall German white guy.
And so when I'm a little kid, the Chicago fire department basically tells my family, my dad is not entitled to a promotion because he's a white man.
My dad comes home upset, and I hear him talking to my mom.
And he's like, I've been fighting so hard for this.
We're upper lower class, right?
We are a family of five living on the south side of Chicago with like a $30,000 a year salary.
And so, and this is like early 90s.
And my dad's like, they're passing me up for this promotion, which would have given him a huge salary bump just because he was white.
So my dad then had to take a second job and a third.
He was detailing cars.
He was doing construction work and he was a firefighter because he couldn't make ends meet just on one of those jobs.
And then when he decided to work hard and pass the test and become a lieutenant, they said, you're a white man.
And because he missed that promotion, it meant he would never become a chief.
And this is how I remember.
I was a little kid at the time, but the general thing I remember was you have to, you become a firefighter, which is very hard.
You then have to pass the promotion and become a lieutenant.
The next opportunity, you must become a captain.
The next opportunity, you must become a chief.
If you miss any one of those steps, you will never make it in time by retirement.
So when they passed him over, he was pissed.
He said, this is just complete.
Yeah, my mom was also really angry because she was like, you know, he was really high up on passing the test.
He's a hardworking, poor man.
He came from humble beginnings, married to a mixed race woman with mixed race kids, but they said, too bad you're white, therefore you're privileged, and we're going to give it to somebody else.
So I'm like 12 and I hear that.
I'm angry.
Why is it that my dad, who's this progressive guy who is in an interracial relationship and me with, you know, part Asian background are being told that because he's white, he's racist or something.
And that happened to me very, very early on.
So when I'm getting into the activism stuff, not social justice, it was more like anti-authoritarian and more focused on, you know, when I, when I, the first company I worked for was Greenpeace.
They're talking about the wanton destruction of the environment by corporations who have, who face no regulation and are unimpeded.
And I'm like, I agree, that's a problem.
I think centralized power too much needs to have some pushback.
So at the very least, will be that pushback.
And then I learned very early on, like very quickly, these companies are all basically just like, say whatever you have to say to get the money from them and then lie about it.
So I'll tell you real quick what I ended up learning.
All of these nonprofits run 501c3s and 501c4s so that they can collect money through the 501c4, not report it, and then donate a small fraction to the 501c3.
Then the 501c3 issues its report saying we only brought in a million dollars this year.
That way they could use that talking point.
It's very clever.
You walk up to someone on the street and you say, last year we only made $1 million.
With your support, we can do better.
But what they don't tell you is you're donating to a 501c4, which doesn't have to disclose revenue, which brings in hundreds of millions.
Then the 501c4 just decides a million will go to our fundraising branch.
Very, very manipulative.
And I was like, I'm not doing it.
I'm out.
Then you learn a lot of these other fundraising companies are just that, for-profit enterprises that are paid a fee to fundraise on behalf of the nonprofit.
And then I was like, it's all a game.
So then how did you get from there into journalism or videoing?
So I had always been doing video, skateboarding.
You know, since I was probably 13 or 14, I was editing videos on Adobe.
Even before that, I was programming video games.
I was making Flash animations.
I made Flash websites.
I built my first computer when I was like eight or eight or so years old.
So I was always doing something with that.
Video editing came about because I was skateboarding.
You go skateboard, you film it, you got to edit it.
So then when I'm, you know, I'm doing all this political stuff, it's mostly in the background.
It's like it's a job I have.
And then eventually I say these companies are corrupt.
I quit.
I moved to California, work for a few more.
And then I'm like, hey, it wasn't a one-off with these companies in Chicago.
It turns out these big companies all basically do the same thing.
So I'm in California and I end up leaving one company rather acrimoniously, a nonprofit.
And my brother says, hey, if you're not doing anything, just come hang out in Virginia.
My brother was in the Army stationed at Fort Eustis.
So I was like, sure.
LA was boring.
I'd been there, done that.
I was there for like two years.
Go to Virginia and hang out with my brother, have a bunch of money saved up when Occupy Wall Street starts.
And I see this video on Facebook of a guy being dragged by his legs and his hands are bleeding because the cops were removing him from the park.
And I was like, whoa, that's crazy.
My brother runs in the room and he's like, did you hear people are like trying to storm Wall Street or something?
And I was like, yeah, I saw some video about it on Facebook.
And I was like, I'm going to go check it out.
I'm not doing anything else, right?
I had just come out to visit.
I was there for like a month or two, made a few skate videos, bought a round trip ticket for 20 bucks on a bus and decided to go up there.
So while I'm there, just to see what's happening, I started filming.
Zuccotti Park.
Zuccotti Park.
Started filming, but I didn't have anything to do with the videos.
And my phone filled up instantly.
So I was like, I don't know if this is working.
And then eventually, you know, I was working with this other guy I started talking to.
He wanted to produce something.
He called it the Other 99.
And then I was like, I can figure this out.
Let's start live streaming.
And so then I instantly switched.
I shouldn't say instantly, but I switched from video recording to streaming on the Ustream app because how did you even stream in 2012?
Mobile phone.
My phone.
This was the fall of 2011 is Occupy Wall Street.
Yeah, so Ustream.
I was there, actually.
You were at Occupy?
Long story.
I did my official visit at West Point because I wanted to go there.
Oh, cool.
And so I was staying the weekend in Manhattan.
I just walked by and spent a whole day.
We probably were there at the same time.
Hilarious.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was there the whole time, basically.
Yeah, so I remember it vividly.
It was October 2011.
Yep, definitely was there.
You could stream in very low quality with Ustream.
And I think there was a couple others.
I can't remember their name.
But this was before sophisticated live streaming technology.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was like super low.
It was Facebook Live.
There was no Periscope.
Nope, there was none of that.
Nope, it was Ustream.
And then once I started streaming there, within a week, I was getting 2,000 concurrents watching my live stream as I walked around.
This is kind of crazy, too, because I basically created this methodology of taking a mobile phone, plugging it into an external battery, and then live streaming for extended periods.
And then after about a month or two, everyone started doing it.
For me, it was just the easiest thing to do.
Before me, people would have a laptop and they would hold a webcam and they'd walk around with it.
It was crazy.
Yeah, but when the part got rated, I showed up, started streaming, and I streamed for 22 hours straight to, you know, it was like millions of people.
On the stream itself, I think it was like 70 or 80,000 concurrent viewers at any one time.
But it was being picked up by news networks and television networks around the world to rebroadcast and show.
So then Time magazine puts me on the front page of their website.
I get all these big media companies hitting me up, offering me jobs.
And I just didn't, I was like, no, I don't want to do any of that stuff.
But for about a year after that, I started just doing these streams around the country at various protests.
And then after about a year and a half, I was like, okay, this is starting to dry up.
Live streaming protests only works if there's big protests and there's news.
And the news was shifting into other areas, especially with like, you know, election stuff coming around.
Leaving Vice For Fusion00:05:34
So I ended up going to a couple different companies, ultimately going to Vice and being like, look what I do.
Let's like, I can't do this all day every day.
I can do it a couple times a month.
You guys can fill those gaps.
I can host content for you.
And then when there's big breaking news, live stream it.
So we get both the big live stream and the longstanding, like the evergreen documentary.
They agreed.
We did it.
It was great.
Worked there for about a year.
Could have been better.
I wasn't their biggest priority.
That's fine.
I don't need to be.
So I went to ABC News Univision company called Fusion.
They offered me a bunch of money and said, do what you're doing, but do it here.
We'll give you a budget.
You'll be in charge.
Went there, two year contract.
Within eight months, they went from nice vice to absolutely woke.
Trans kids, all that stuff.
This was 2014.
Wow.
So they hired me like, we're going to be nice vice.
We're going to do what Vice does on the ground reporting, but we're not going to be so, you know, crude and stuff.
And I was like, perfect.
A more professional angle.
I'll take it.
I was having some issues at Vice.
Like I said, I wasn't their priority.
So the things I was having problems with weren't getting resolved.
And so I just said, look, you guys do your thing.
I'm not here to step on your toes.
Granted, they were pissed that I left.
And then I went to Fusion.
It was like six to eight months later.
They fired their editor-in-chief, brought in another, another traditional journalist, told him to go woke.
He said, sure.
And then all of a sudden, the content they're producing was just nonsense.
I remember I was in an editorial meeting and they were like, the new Ghost in the Shell movie is coming out.
But the main character is being played by Scarlett Johansson and she's a white woman.
And the movie is an anime.
So this is racist.
And then I corrected them and I was like, I'm actually a big fan of Ghost in the Shell.
And having Scarlett Johansson, a white woman, play the major, the character from the show, actually makes sense because Ghost in the Shell is about transcending from your body to a different body, right?
The main character lives in a prosthetic body because she was basically dead and they put her ghost in a robot body.
So that actually fits the theme really well.
In fact, that at the end of the movie, Scarlett Johanss, like they reveal Scarlett Johansson, this white woman, her original body was a young Asian woman.
And I'm like, that's kind of the point of the sci-fi.
But they were like, nope, nope, nope, it's racist.
You're like, we're just going to run with it's racist.
And I was like, I'm going to say.
Shut up, racist.
Yeah.
I'm a fan of the show.
Like, why are you yelling?
And I just couldn't do it.
And I went to the boss and I said, I wanted to quit.
And he was like, no.
This whole other thing where they basically admitted they were lying to people, siding with the audience, they called it.
And that meant I asked the president, does that mean, I was in a one-on-one meeting and we were talking about it.
And he said, our job is to side with the audience.
And I was like, does that mean if there's a factual news story, but it would upset our audience, we won't report it?
And he said, yeah, I think that's fair.
I think the president actually was kind of more based, more middle of the road, religious, but he's a businessman.
So he was like, this is how we do the business.
So I'm like, less principled, but he knew what he was doing.
So I left.
They tried to keep me.
They tried paying me a bonus, but I was just like, when that contract is up, I'm out.
And so when I left, I just started, I'm like, I just make my own thing, I guess.
These companies, they're going to try and make you do whatever stupid agenda they got planned.
I did talk to a bunch of the other typical New York media companies.
I don't need to name all of them, but it's obvious the companies like Vice, to put it that way.
As well as like, I meet a couple meetings with NBC, a couple different meetings.
And I'm just like, they don't know what they're doing.
And it's like they want to hire people who are just going to sit there and say, yeah, whatever, I guess.
So I started doing my own thing and it slowly started getting bigger and bigger.
Within like a year, I went from burning my savings to actually starting to make a little bit of money.
And that for me was like, that's it.
I'm good.
The moment I was making a little bit of money, and this is like 2017, I think I was making, I got to the point where I went from negative to making maybe like 40 or 50K a year.
Granted, I was making hundreds of thousands with Disney, right?
With Fusion, but I'm like running my own business, so I'm investing in myself.
At that point, I was like, I'm fine.
If I sat right here and I've got enough money to pay my rent, to buy my equipment, to travel and cover the news and do these stories, I'm good.
But then like three months later, I was making the equivalent of like 100,000 a year.
And I was like, wow.
Year after that, I was making the equivalent of like a couple hundred thousand dollars a year.
And then like a year after that, we're running a massive eight-figure operation.
And it's just like, so I don't know, man.
I just work every day.
I get up and I just put another grain of sand in the heat.
It gets bigger.
I hire more people.
But you probably get it because like you're bigger than I am.
You know what I mean?
This is massive.
You got this crazy thing going on.
Yeah, we've been super blessed.
I just, I love that story.
So you start kind of doing the Greenpeace thing and then you move with your brother and you're like, let's go to Zuccotti Park.
And then you see that happen.
And you go to Vice and Fusion.
Then you start your own thing.
So 17, 18, were there any inflection points?
I mean, were you doing more stuff of like traditional live streaming or were you out kind of like covering stuff or a little bit of both?
If I remember correctly, you were on the front lines of something massive, like an 18 or 19.
A bunch of stuff.
I mean, like, you know, I got started with Occupy Wall Street, then I went to the Spanish protests.
Then what did I do?
I was in Brazil.
I was in Ukraine.
I was in Uzuela.
You just traveled like a crazy person, basically.
Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, man.
I was flying twice a week.
It was crazy.
But something happens around 2016.
I leave Fusion.
I'm going on the ground and filming stuff.
In the beginning of 2017, I went to Sweden.
Donald Trump goes on TV and says, did you see what happened last night in Sweden?
And the media makes fun of him.
And so then I put up a GoFundMe.
I was like, I'll go to Sweden and I'll do a report like I normally do.
Like, you know, we'll make a documentary.
We'll do some live streams.
And that was really funny.
That was an inflection point because people who worked for Vice started messaging me saying, don't go.
And I was like, what do you mean, don't go?
And they were like, Trump's a bad guy.
Like, don't, don't defend him.
Don't tell the truth.
But I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
I think Trump's wrong.
Like, I'm going there to disprove him.
They're like, no, no, no, don't do it.
I had one guy tell me to take all the money I raised and give it to a charity for immigrants.
And I was like, bro, that's illegal.
Like, that's illegal.
I can't do that.
You can't do that.
But it was crazy to see people from Vice who know what I do all of a sudden be like, don't go and do the thing you do for political reasons.
What were you fine in Sweden?
I found that it was like a mixed bag.
A lot of people on the right, I think, here's what I think happens.
Was this the no-go zone thing?
Yeah, they're real.
No-go-zone is a colloquial term to represent areas where the police tell, like, basically try to avoid or whatever.
Crime skyrocketed.
Murder the year before was like, there was one murder and the next year there was like 13.
I'm probably getting the numbers wrong, but something like that.
Now, you go to someone and tell them that there were 13 murders in a city of 300,000 in the United States.
They're going to be like, that's all?
Because we got a lot of murder.
We have problems.
But for the Swedish people, it's terrifying to hear another murder?
Like, how is this happening?
So the Swedish people are going on social media and screaming, crime is up 1,000%.
American conservatives then hear that, but associate that with America.
So you think of Baltimore, you think of a 1,000% crime increase.
There wouldn't be any people.
There's no civilization's gone.
You're talking about like a, like, what would that be?
Like 800,000 murders?
Like some ridiculous number?
Because there's like 800.
Yeah, that's right.
You know, and so I go there and I find crime is way up.
It is because of the children of Somali refugees and migrants from the 90s, not because of Afghan migrants.
And the crime wasn't nearly as bad as people in America thought.
So it was like a mixed bag.
They got so mad at it.
But it wasn't a total lie.
And so there you go.
No, right.
Right.
Conservatives were rightly pointing out that crime was skyrocketing and it was partly due to failures of immigration.
And so I came and kind of just refined things, said, calm down, everybody.
It is still way worse in the U.S. and our cities.
We should probably fix those problems.
But I understand why the Swedish people are upset that crime is going up.
So you actually had like Slate, Huffington Post, and a bunch of leftist outlets.
All of a sudden, they were freaking out about me going.
Now, all of a sudden, they're like Tim Poole, a notable journalist, finds no strong evidence of rampant crime and violence until we went to Rinkabee and got threatened by a guy screaming at us and pulling masks up.
The police escorted us out.
Then all of a sudden, all the Swedish press was calling, they were calling us far right, conspiracy theorists, liars.
And I'm like, we just showed up.
We filmed what happened.
We left.
We told you what happened.
Like, you're lying.
The police never escorted you.
And I'm like, there's a video of the police escorting us to our car.
Nope, coincidence.
And I'm like, okay, I don't know.
That's weird.
I still was not pushing any strong narrative of like widespread rampant crime or anything like that.
But they, they just, they got so offended, I guess, and so scared of their narrative breaking.
But that was really big.
And that kicked off my YouTube channel where I wasn't just losing money.
I was making money, but I was still losing more money.
And then what ends up happening is a moment like that generates too much notoriety for me.
I covered Berkeley, the conflict in Berkeley, the fighting.
With Milo or with...
Not with Milo.
It was the battle for Berkeley.
So after the bass stick man emerged and people were fighting and stuff, I covered Berkeley a couple times.
But I started getting so much attention that after Portland, I had some guy chasing me, screaming at me, harassing me and laughing.
Like it was funny to him, you know?
But he was screaming, it's Tim Poole.
He's right here.
He's right here.
Come on, everybody.
Come get him.
And so I was like, okay, I can't do this.
And then there was another moment where I was in Boston where it was actually a right-wing guy who like pulled my hat off.
And then I got super angry because like some Antifa guy like started swinging at me and trying to hit me.
I'm standing there like as the dude's trying to make me flinch.
And then a few minutes later, I get a guy who's like this.
I don't know if it's, he's like a, I don't know how to describe him, but he's a more right-wing guy.
Takes my hat off and then starts, you know, dangling it in front of me or whatever.
And then I'm just like, I can't be on the ground anymore.
Too many people know who I am.
It's become a game.
It's become a joke.
So I made a video basically like, I'm going to chill out on doing this.
And I totally got triggered by the dude ripping my hat off.
Like I just had Antifa screaming in my face.
And then this dude comes behind and grabs my head.
If I wasn't surrounded by cops, I probably just went blood red and started beating the crap out of them.
But I'm surrounded by cops.
And so I'm like, I'm just, I can't go out here with people doing this to me.
I'm not doing my job anymore.
So I started shifting more into commentary and more like anchor level reporting and stuff.
And then I did that for a while, started growing my channels, launched a new channel, went from doing like a 10-minute video per day to two hours per day, then launched Timcast IRL in 2020.
The original plan for that was to be a vlog to like get in my van, drive somewhere, and then interview people and do a podcast on the street.
But COVID happened.
So I was like, all right, well, you know, I guess we're just going to do it in the studio.
And then that channel actually took over and displaced my monologue show.
So now the conversation show is way bigger.
And at some point, I guess it just consistently consistently, I'm sure last night we were the number one live show.
And then a half an hour in, a gaming channel jumps in front of us talking about the blizzard that's coming.
And so we had 47,000 concurrence.
They had 50,000.
And then after he wraps up, we jump back into first place.
So I'm not saying like we're always number one, but we're consistently.
So you're consistently there.
So you've been doing this for about fairly to say 10 years.
A little bit more, almost.
A little bit more.
How has this work, especially in the last five years, impacted what you believe?
You know, it's funny is my views float between like center left libertarian and then like center like and then like left libertarian back and forth.
But I don't think political views actually are what any of this is about.
Like you and I clearly disagree on certain core political issues, but we get along and we have cordial conversations about it.
Because I think what's really happened is, do you believe the truth or are you an occult?
That's really where we're at.
So one thing is I've definitely become more pro-2A.
I was always pro-free speech.
I was always, I always objected to the social justice wokeness of like race politics.
Yes, that poison.
Yeah, yeah.
Occupy was doing it.
And like I mentioned about being a kid and seeing it happen to my dad.
But 2A is probably the strongest shift for me.
And that's probably the only shift, to be completely honest, is that I went from, you know, there's probably some reasonable compromises we can have on gun rights to someone commented on a video, okay, I get it, Tim, but if you can have a compromise on my rights, then I want to compromise on speech.
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And then I was like, well, you can't do that.
Oh, I get it.
Okay, fine.
If you want to change the gun laws, you got to amend the Constitution.
So then I basically, I'm just there.
I'm like, so long as the Constitution says it and it has not been amended, you can't take away someone's right to keep him bear arms.
Other than that, I've been fairly in the same place.
I've always been like, when I was a lot younger, I was probably far left anarchist.
And then I read a book, you know, and then became more moderate.
And I was like, oh, okay, I get it.
And then pay taxes.
Yeah, you know, but actually, I'll tell you the real things that changed my views.
One was I was hanging out with this, you know, a friend of mine, this young woman in the suburbs, and her family was pro-life, conservative, Republican.
And I am not, I may be arrogant, but I'm not like too stupid to where I won't listen to what someone has to say.
Right.
So when I'm hanging out with my friend and I'm at her house and they've got very religious stuff, you know, I grew up Catholic for a little while.
And so, you know, her mom's cooking dinner.
And then something came up relating to abortion and they said they were pro-life.
And I was like, oh, well, my family's always been pro-choice.
But I was just like, oh, tell me what that means to you.
And then I was really fascinated to discover that the arguments my family had and the arguments her family had, despite being pro-choice and pro-life, were very, very similar.
This is how it used to be.
It was my family saying abortion is wrong.
The elective abortion is wrong.
But there's a challenge of when the government has a right to intervene.
And should a woman have to get permission or permits or things like that?
We think it's got to be a medical decision.
And then I'm talking to this pro-life family and they said almost the same thing.
Abortion is wrong.
Elective abortion is wrong.
Yeah, we do understand it's a difficult challenge.
But in regard to the safeguards to protect the life of the child, we do think there should be some government intervention.
And I'm like, oh, the morality is very similar.
Nobody wants the baby to die.
Fast forward to today.
Now it's just like they want the baby to die.
Yeah, so that was a big point for me, but there's a few other moments.
One was I grew up Catholic.
When I'm a teenager, when I was like, I think nine or so, we leave Catholic school.
My family couldn't afford it.
And then I go to public school.
My family had some issues personally with the church we were at.
And so then I start growing up.
I get introduced to a lot of liberal secular ideas and punk rock stuff, skateboarding.
And so then I become very arrogantly 16 atheist.
I know what I'm talking about, Bill Maher, blah, blah, blah.
And then when I got a job, I was working at two big things happened.
I was working at O'Hare.
And these other guys who worked there were older, Hispanic guys, and they were talking about religion.
And I'm like, minding my own business.
I can't remember exactly why, but this one dude goes, hey, Poole, you religious or anything?
You Christian?
And then I was like, nope.
And he's like, you don't believe in God?
And all of that.
And I was like, nope.
And he was like, oh, okay.
Let me ask you something.
What are you breathing right now?
And I was like, air?
What are you talking about?
He's like, you're breathing air.
I was like, yeah.
And he's like, oh, how do you know that?
And I was like, I was like, there's air around us.
And you go, and you breathe it in.
He's like, yeah, yeah, but what is the air made of?
And then I was like, okay, I was like, oxygen, carbon dioxide, mostly nitrogen, actually.
Some trace gases like methane and water vapor.
Cause I know what I'm talking about.
But I read books.
And he's like, oh, so your body's using oxygen, right?
And I was like, yeah.
And he goes, yeah, how do you know that?
And then I was like, because what do you mean?
He's like, how do you know that your body is taking in the oxygen?
And I was like, I learned it in school.
And he's like, oh, you read it in a book?
And I was like, yeah.
And he goes, oh, I read in a book that Jesus was the son of God and that he came here to save us.
And I was like, yeah, but like, we know science.
And he was like, oh, you know science.
Oh, okay.
So you like got an electron microscope and then started analyzing the gases and looked down at that oxygen molecule and its atoms and the electrons and all that.
And I was like, no.
And he goes, oh, well, then how do you know that you know the science?
And I was like, because there are scientists and like the work they, the experiments.
And he's like, oh, okay.
So a guy in a white coat told you that you're breathing oxygen.
Okay, well, a guy in a white coat told me that Jesus is the son of God.
And I started laughing.
And I was like, I still don't believe in God, but you made your point.
And his point was, it's that famous proverb.
I can't remember who said, was it like Aristotle or something?
The only thing that I know is that I know nothing.
And that's what finally clicked in my mind.
I was like, he's right.
I did not test any of this stuff.
I kind of just believe it's true.
But my counter to him was, I have a cell phone in my pocket.
I have built computers.
I know how these things work.
That's why I lean more towards I know that I'm breathing oxygen.
But you made a really good point about religion and people blindly trusting people or choosing to believe things.
And so that was, that was, that was bigger for me.
That moment probably made me agnostic where I was just like, okay, you know what?
Like just blindly assuming this stuff is probably a bad idea.
And another moment happened for me where I met the skateboarder guy and he was like well known in the neighborhood, like in the community in Chicago.
We're skating.
We start talking and I know who he is and I'm a young guy.
I'm like 18 and he was like in his mid-20s.
And then he was like, the skate park's empty.
He's about to leave.
He's like, what are you doing, man?
You should come hang out with us.
We're going to like jam and stuff.
And I was like, yeah, dude, that'd be so cool.
And I go to his house and he's got a picture of Jesus on his wall.
And then I walk in and I'm like, are you like a Christian or something?
And at this point, I'm like very much like arrogant, you know, atheist kind of.
And he was just like, no.
And then I was like, why do you have a picture of Jesus on your wall?
And he goes, I just thought a story about a guy going around helping people was kind of cool.
So and then I was just like, he's right.
That is a cool story.
And that's like an oversimplification for what.
Mildly.
Right, right, right.
But to him, this like secular urban liberal guy, the only thing he thought when he saw Jesus was not organized religion, was not war, was none of the bad stuff, none of the arguments.
It was simply the general idea is this guy goes around helping people.
That's what he got from it.
And I was like, you know, if that's what he takes from it, that's actually a really good thing because it's like inspiring him to be a better person.
And that for me was another kind of inflection point where I was kind of like, maybe, maybe, maybe I'm wrong about this.
Maybe people are lying to me about what this really is.
Maybe the atheists, the staunch atheists who hate religion, who are making fun of all time, maybe they're not being honest.
And so from there, you know, I just, I read more philosophy and read more about science.
And then when I started reading about quantum physics and philosophy in when I was, I think I was like 19, I immediately was like, there's a God.
I read this book on quantum physics and I read a book on life and entropy and then immediately was like the most logical conclusion, albeit I would not say I can definitively prove it, but I would say that all signs, based on what we think we know in science, as well as modern philosophical thought, I was like, there has to be a God.
And so I was like 19.
And so it's funny because I grew up a little kid, there's a God.
Then I have this like moment where I go into secular, like liberal atheism.
And then I'm 19 and I'm reading this book.
And I'm reading physics and then reading physics ultimately connected with all of the religious studies and the philosophical studies.
And then I was just like, yeah, there has to be a God.
Like to say otherwise would just deny so much of what we think we know about science.
So like going back to what that guy was talking about with oxygen, if you follow the science and you believe in it, the end conclusion is extreme probability of God.
I combine that with my human experience and my general philosophy.
And then I'm like, there's a God.
So I'll give you my favorite interpretation of this for the secular atheists who probably aren't watching, but in case they are.
We have a couple.
Simulation theory, right?
Yeah.
You've heard it.
Elon pushes it every so often.
That's right.
And so I had this conversation with Seamus Coughlin of Freedom Tunes.
And I'm like, what I love so much about simulation theory is that it's like Christianity.
It's like liberals thinking they discovered Christianity.
Simulation theory.
The idea that we live in a universe that was created by a higher power.
With an intent and that it's designed, there's a purpose, and that we serve a function of some sort.
That's very, very smart.
And then I was just like, aren't you just describing like religion 101?
It's like these theologians and philosophers for thousands of years have contemplated that very idea.
And then one day a computer gets invented and you think to yourself, maybe.
And I'm like, you should talk to a priest or an imam or a rabbi or just anybody who has any theological philosophies that they've studied.
And then I'm just like, I take a look at that.
Elon Musk said, the fact that we can create probably within 30 years a simulation that will be indistinguishable from the real world suggests we're already in it.
And then I'm like, uh-huh.
That sounds very much like there's a creator.
And then what's really funny is then I was talking to some, I think it was Bryson Gray.
And then I was like, this idea that I think he said he thinks dinosaurs are just there.
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but there's many religious people who think the earth is 5,000 to 7,000 years old.
The fossils and dinosaurs were put there as a test and things like that.
And I'm like, let me tell you something.
If you believe in simulation theory, those bones were just put there.
Because like, you ever play Fallout, the Fallout series?
No.
Let's name any video game, GTA.
You play Grand Theft Auto.
You're in Liberty City.
It's a fake New York.
Guess what?
Those buildings were not built by people.
They were put there by a creator.
And if you think simulation theory is possible, then it is entirely possible that this is only a 5,000-year-old universe.
It's funny that religious people make that point, and then the secular atheist types reject it, saying that's the stupidest thing ever.
Evidence points to all of these things.
Now that simulates, there's this Abigail woman who made this inverse pyramid of conspiracies.
Perfect point.
This is a leftist, journalist, misinformation researcher.
And on the second tier of it, it's like MKUltra Epstein, things that are plausible, and it said, we live in a simulation.
And I'm like, when you get to the point where leftist atheist types think we live in a simulation, like...
They're acknowledging the premise of every religious person's argument.
Exactly.
When someone says those dinosaur bones and fossils were always there, and then these atheists are like, that's the stupidest thing I ever heard.
But we could be living in a simulation.
Okay, is it possible the person who made the simulation just dragged and dropped and clicked and put it there?
That's correct.
Yes, absolutely.
So that, you know, I don't consider myself Christian or anything, but I certainly have become more philosophical understanding of.
Do you believe there is a God?
I think there's definitively a God.
And I think that you can draw the logical conclusion to, I think if you draw based on human perception, what we think we know, what we do know, you map out this course that eventually gets you to a point where you come across a keyhole.
And when you look through it, the only conclusion you can make is that there is a God.
But I'm not going to say definitively, I know, and I have hard proof where I'm like, I think it's more like Sudoku.
All of these things all around us.
Of course, there's faith.
Yes.
Right.
Absolutely.
Exactly.
Draw a conclusion that God is real.
It's weird though.
I just want to say people think I'm an atheist.
I don't know why.
I get like comments being like, well, Tiff Tim wasn't an atheist.
I haven't been an atheist since I was like 18 or 19 years old.
Not even an agnostic.
I'm like outright, there's a God.
So you're a center-left libertarian, in your own words, right?
Well, I just took the political compass test.
I tweeted it.
What was your result?
It was not even center-left libertarian.
Like, I don't know how that happened.
Probably because of like, I don't know how they do it.
I don't know how they do it.
I don't like these tests for the record.
Because a lot of these questions don't necessarily make sense.
Like, you know, should marijuana be legal or whatever?
Sure.
Okay.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Like not authoritarian, though.
So that's.
No, that's my thing.
And but the problem is these leftists who claim to be libertarian are all authoritarian.
Yeah, so that was going to be my question is that, so you host a really interesting show.
Just looking at kind of your guest list, it tends to be a center-right guest roster.
Is that fair?
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Libertarian to conservative.
And then we periodically have some like, we've had like, I think they're described as authoritarian right probably.
Sure.
Like new right type, more.
No, I wouldn't say new right because with new right, you can get more, you can get libertarian.
Sure.
You know, like, oh, at least the way Michael Malice describes it.
It's like, you know.
He's terrific.
Michael Malice is great.
But I mean, so.
Leftists don't want to come on the show.
Why?
Because they're an occult.
Like Jimmy Dore, he's a leftist.
I don't know who that is, but yeah.
He's got a big YouTube channel.
Okay.
He's outright leftist, universal healthcare and all that stuff.
He hates the Democrats.
He hates the Republicans.
You would probably get along with him.
He appears on Tucker Carlson.
Okay.
It's like, and then the left attacks him for it.
Tulsi Gabbard is probably in the middle right now.
She moved over a little bit.
But there are a lot of people who are liberal or left libertarian who are like, they'll hang out and have a conversation.
But most of the left, as we describe it, it's not about your political views.
So like, the easiest way to describe it, I guess, is: do you believe the media or not?
Right?
Of course.
I mean, you know the answer to that for me.
Well, they're lying about everything.
Of course.
And if you take even a couple seconds, I'll tell you this right now.
I'm watching the Kerry Lake trial.
I'm glued to it.
It is insane.
Witness testimony is not definitive proof, is circumstantial evidence.
And right now we have circumstantial evidence that there was no chain of custody on 298,000 ballots.
The defense, Katie Hobbs, and Maricopa County, presented no evidence of chain of custody.
They need only show up and say, Your Honor, here's the chain of custody slit for those ballots, case dismissed.
They don't have it.
And there's no question.
But the media reports, nothing.
Then when you get one guy saying there's duplicate ballots that were misprinted and counted, but the originals are missing.
What does the media report?
Witness claims duplicate ballots are counted.
He literally said that would have been impossible.
He didn't say that.
The media is lying about everything.
So if you're the average person and you blindly believe the media, you're probably quadruple vaxed, right?
Yes, of course.
And then you could be like me.
I just showed you my political compass.
I'm like, I was supporting Bernie Sanders in 2016.
But I think that, so here's my more direct question.
Who do you think is a bigger threat to humanity or civilization?
The right or the left currently?
The left.
The left.
You say this as someone who's a center-left libertarian.
But the left I'm referring to is the tribal American movement.
Well, of course, but they control a lot.
I mean, that's not a fringe, right?
No, no, no.
It's the establishment.
Yeah.
Like even Mitch McConnell may as well be a Democrat.
Sure.
Especially after today with the Omnibus.
I couldn't agree more.
These people are.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Kevin McCarthy, you know, I'll give him some credit for trying to oppose it, but I would not put weight behind these people.
Or I like Harmeda.
I like, look, I can disagree on policy, but if we're for the people, or at least we'll have a conversation, I think it says a lot about somebody who will come on your show and talk.
I think dialogue is critical to this is this is why conservatives know I'm a liberal because we talk policy and it's just like, oh, this dude's clearly liberal.
But I'm not the quote-unquote left because the left is a cult of authoritarians.
The left would never have me on their show.
They barely, they won't come on my show.
I doubt they would come on your show.
A small handful may.
But let's say Chuck Schumer wanted to come on Tim Cast.
You'd have him on?
Absolutely.
Never going to happen.
Yo, I've invited Jenk Uger and Hassan cordially, honestly.
I have invited, here's what happens when I invite them.
There's one guy I'm not going to name.
I say, you know, come on my show.
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We'll cover all the costs.
We're familiar with each other and he says, for sure.
And then privately messaged me and says, I'll never go on your show.
Then publicly says, Tim Poole is causing problems and, you know, I can't do this and just lies about it and grifts off of it.
And I'm like, here's what I think.
I think the new right, the right, whatever you want to call it, which is a combination of post-liberal, moderate, independent, libertarian, conservative, is the saving force of this country and the world.
And I think the quote-unquote left is a cancerous, chaotic, and destructive force that is consuming and destroying everything around it.
That's how I view the culture war.
You'll have someone like.
That's a big statement.
I mean, I've been saying it for a long time.
The left, as we describe it, what do they want?
To simulate sodomy in front of children in Texas?
Well, what purpose does that serve in terms of protecting life?
Let me slow down and break down for you my religious views so you can understand where I'm coming from.
What brought me to the path where I said, and it's a gross oversimplification to put it this way, but when I was reading about physics and entropy, the heat death of the universe, things humans think they know, right?
Like we've done these tests, we believe this to be the case, but science changes.
There's something called negative entropy, and that is life.
That while energy is dissipating and evening out, in a sense, certain things are coming together and forming unique complex structures.
From the basic molecule, from the basic fundamental quantum element, quantum particle, you have entropy and negative entropy.
Negative entropy is the gradual organization of energy into complex systems that eventually grow and grow and grow and grow to the point of humanity.
You have electrons, protons, neutrons forming atoms, atoms forming elements, elements forming compounds, compounds forming proteins, et cetera, until life is created.
I'm simplifying it for the sake of time.
But eventually, you can see that simple organization of energy, like two atoms coming together, like fire, for instance, when oxygen and carbon dioxide or whatever slam into each other.
Or I think, I could be getting it wrong.
You get a squirrel in a tree.
You get single cellular life creating more of itself, organizing energy into life.
Then multicellular organisms are now more complicated.
Then you get to the point of, say, a squirrel.
A squirrel not only is itself complex energy organized in a unique way, but the fact that it buries nuts for food, and those nuts eventually grow into trees, creating this ecosystem, is another complex system.
Humans do something tremendously profound and create intangible, complex systems that don't exist anywhere but within the mind.
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Yeah, because we have reason.
That's why.
So, right.
When we name something.
Yes, the common noun miracle.
Yeah.
Boom.
I got to that point reading this book, and then I said, but that's not the end.
Humans are not the absolute.
Something exists beyond us.
That's exactly right.
And that's why I said the logical conclusion is a higher power, it must exist.
So when I look at the left-hand side would call it an unmoved mover.
Yeah.
Boom.
When I start looking at the left, and they are forces of entropy, that's an inversion of what it is that human life does.
It protects, it grows, it reasons, it learns.
We reason, we learn.
We seek out.
We try to understand.
We are building things when we make families, when we build cities, when we develop technology, when we send rocket ships to the moon, we are acting forces of order in a chaotic universe.
Exactly correct.
But the left, they're agents of chaos.
They dismantle and destroy.
It's something that has order.
That's exactly right.
So that's why I think the colloquial right in the culture war is life and the left is death.
Simple way to put it.
And that doesn't change your politics.
I guess it changes your politics a little bit, but the political compass test is like, what do you believe on issue by issue?
Yeah, the political compass test asked me, do I think there should be protectionism in certain trades?
Okay, yeah, sure.
But that's seemingly, that's not a game-changing, you know, whether or not you want to see the, you know, the woke mind virus destroyed.
That's why when we refer to the left in politics, we're talking about a cult, which what do you mean by that?
That's a big, that's a big word.
Oh, it's a cult.
It's like these people at this point, Jussie Smollett lie.
Ukraine gate, the impeachment of Trump lie.
Russia gate lie.
The whole Twitter thing.
The whole, which one?
Which one?
Well, I mean, Jack Dorsey lying under oath.
I know, and I'm just censoring me.
Exactly.
That was crazy, too.
They're like, they're directly targeting you.
They lie.
You can amplify on my account.
You have every day a lie coming out, and they don't care.
They keep voting for the same thing.
No sane person of sound mind sits there and says, I believe you after this many lies, unless you're in a cult.
And your belief structure is not based upon what is true, but based upon what the social organism around you demands of you.
So I view that as it's a leviathan.
It's a fire.
It's burning.
And as it burns, it's destroying things around it.
It is disorganizing and dismantling the structures that humanity has put together.
Yes.
That's a problem for us.
You know what I want to see?
I like Star Trek.
I love Star Trek.
I'm a big Star Trek fan.
See?
Destroy the Borg.
Well, and they're the Borg.
Of course they're.
They're going to assimilate.
Resistance is futile.
But to be fair, the Borg actually earns more points than they do.
Why?
The Borg is organizing things into a bigger and greater system.
They're just destroying it.
Like at the very least, when the...
They're parasitic.
Yeah, it's a virus.
It is infecting and destroying and it's gangrenous.
That's not to say that leftist policy ideas in the traditional academic sense are all wrong.
It is to say that the modern left as we know it uses those ideas as weapons, misappropriates many of them and uses many of them logically as they were intended to badly and just destroys.
I want a future where we're on the enterprise and we're traveling the stars and we're learning more and we're experiencing, coming closer to God, things like that.
The left just wants us all to be, I don't know, what, cavemen eating moss off of it.
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As long as they're in control.
Even if it means they destroy everything to get it.
So how do, so to close this out, I wish we could keep talking.
This is amazing.
How do we destroy that Leviathan then?
This, doing more of this, you know, I think one of the reasons that my show works is I'm not a staunch conservative.
I'm willing to talk to everybody.
And there's a lot of regular people who are not staunch conservatives who just want to hear with some basis and reality what's happening.
And those conversations are valuable.
They wake people up.
They're bringing about change.
And I got to be honest, I think we're winning.
I think the night is always darkest before the dawn.
But I think one step at a time, so long as we do not stop, we cannot be stopped.
Isn't it interesting that the, I mean, I think you would agree, conservatives, you spend a lot of time around conservatives.
Do you find them to be more, like, and this is a generalization, joyful or happy?
Done, absolutely.
Like, I have a lot of leftist friends, and I would call them like default liberal, as I think Breitbart would call them.
They have the pride flags in their windows.
They vote Democrat, but they're not super politically active and they're miserable.
And I'm not saying it to be a, some of them are fine.
They skate.
But I'm like, I look at my leftist friends and they're entering middle age with no families, with no significant others, with little money, and they have nothing to show but partying.
And I look at my conservative friends and they're like in their 20s and they're getting married.
And I'm like, what do you think is going to happen?
And I've said this to my friends who are like urban liberal types.
What are you going to do when you're 60 or 70 years old?
Are you going to go live in a home and have some stranger take care of you?
Like my conservative friends, because Chicago has the more conservative suburbs, they have kids.
Like they're 30 years old with two or three kids already.
Like I don't even have kids because I, you know, I grew up much in a similar way to them.
Granted, working on it, you know, I have family potentially coming soon because I don't want to live the way they do.
I don't want to be 60 years old, just sitting there by myself being like, I had a lot of YouTube followers.
You know what I mean?
That's a very empty existence.
Yeah.
And that's where they're headed.
So I have a lot of leftist friends who will claim they're happy and successful, but I'm like, bro, you're on antidepressants, man.
My conservative friends don't have antidepressants.
And it's a weird thing to say, but many of my more conservative friends, when they suffer from depression, they're just like, I go to church.
Like they find some kind of inner faith, meditation, prayer, or God.
It's transcendent.
Yeah.
Something to like, it's almost like when they have depression, they just ask someone to help them and give them something.
And I'm not saying like literally every single conservative doesn't take no, but these are general approximations of what happens.
I would say on average, the conservative people I know who are feeling depressed or down go and talk to a priest or a rabbi and then they work through it.
And the liberal friends I have are on their third or fourth prescription.
It's not helping them.
I got to tell you, man, I know a handful of people.
Like I'm just talking about like three or four who became religious and I've never seen them happier.
It's like they found something that's given them relief.
I think they're like, I think there is an arrogance and defiance in trying to be God, like many of these, these millennials are.
They view themselves as God as the main character of their story.
It's not you, man.
You know, there's a whole universe around you.
And there's a lot of beauty out there.
How could people, I mean, people are already following you, but for our listeners, you do podcasts too.
You post the audio version, right?
Yeah, on Timcast IRL on all the podcast platforms.
And Tim Pool Daily Show is my morning monologue.
You deserve a lot of credit, Tim, because I think it's just great to have a platform where you can have a robust conversation.
It gets a little weird at times, but it stays in the pursuit of truth.
That is what dialogue is, right?
Exactly.
And I'm fine with being wrong.
I think I'm right about a lot of things often, but this is why I don't care if a conservative or a liberal comes on the show, because if I get it wrong, I'll be like, oh.
You make your best argument, right?
But you certainly are able to do something that I am not able to do very well: is that there are a lot of people in the middle that are not overly religious.
They're not conservative, but they find something in your voice that is very genuine and authentic.
I guess I just tell people, you know, I'm not here to tell you how to live your life.
I'm just going to tell you what I'm seeing.
And I try to say, like, here's the news.
And like, here's my justification for why this is true.
Like, here's the source telling you.
You know what I mean?
We got to beat these bad guys.
I'll tell you.
Absolutely, man.
Thank you, Tim.
Thanks for having me.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always.
Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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