Can the GOP Win with Kevin McCarthy? With Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, and Jack Posobiec
Today on The Charlie Kirk Show, Representatives Matt Gaetz and Lauren Boebert discuss whether Kevin McCarthy is the right pick for House Speaker. Natalie Winters and Libby Emmons discuss how taxpayer dollars have funded a war on conservatives, and respond to breaking news from the latest batch of Twitter files. And, Father Frank Pavone is one of the world's most famous pro-life activists, but now the Catholic Church is kicking him out of the priesthood. What is wrong with the Vatican that Joe Biden remains a Catholic in good standing while Fr. Pavone is a "blasphemer"? Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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All right, we have Natalie Winters and Libby Emmons here.
Natalie Winters, kind of co-pilot of War Room and Libby Emmons from the wonderful website Postmillennial.
So you both have stories you want to walk us through.
Natalie, tell us about National Science Foundation plumping misinformation.
Walk us through it.
Sure.
Well, I think it's fair to say that the deep state, the permanent political class, the American ruling class, whatever you want to call it, really has declared war on the American people.
I think economic warfare is pretty apparent from the Biden regime, but particularly information warfare.
And I think they love to really leverage and weaponize the term misinformation.
I'm sure everyone in this audience has been accused of spreading misinformation and disinformation.
But what's so interesting is that the government is actually now funding programs specifically targeted.
This is a direct name.
This is the quote of the grant title.
How false beliefs form and how to correct them.
And they actually go down into the cognitive psychology of how to best formulate and craft fact checks so they'll be the most salient with the American people to really sort of alter and distort what we believe to be reality.
This is a over half a million dollar grant from the National Science Foundation that they're funding in concert with a lot of these left-wing fact-checking organizations to really stop the spread of what they call misinformation.
And it's a perfect example.
I'm sure people are up to date on the Twitter files and all these sort of efforts, whether it's FBI, the DHS, CISA, which is under the purview of DHS, not just to censor speech that people like me and you say all the time, but I think to really gaslight Americans into believing certain narratives that we know that, you know, post-millennial talks about all the time are not true.
And it's all part of a broader agenda.
But I think it's just really important to remember that we are in an information warfare right now.
Yes, we are.
So, but Natalie, what bothers me is how is it legal for the federal government to pseudo-censor, or just let's be honest, to censor Americans with these cryptic grants?
I mean, this has to be against the First Amendment.
The federal government is not allowed to shut people up, but they're doing it anyway in this kind of funding instrument.
And it's explicitly political because there's another grant from the National Science Foundation that is specifically targeted at, quote, countering populist narratives, specifically when it comes to COVID-19 and vaccines.
So this is, again, I mean, you ask how it's legal.
It's not.
But I think, you know, when you get to play judge, jury, and executioner of your own machine, you get away with it.
No.
Well, frankly, they act like the Chinese Communist Party.
You know, there is no oversight because they don't want oversight.
They treat us like, you know, crazy people.
They want to throw us all in, you know, whether it's digital jail and censor us, or in some cases, actual jail, right?
I know that with my boss.
But it really is a dystopic future that they want for us.
And they use these terms like misinformation.
You know, I've followed Turning Point from the time I was in high school and college, and they were distorting gender and what those words meant back then.
And now, you know, time has progressed.
Now it's misinformation and disinformation that they're doing the same thing with.
Libby, I want to get to the story you have on the post-millennial.
But any thoughts on this theme that we're exploring right now?
Yeah, I think this is exactly what we were talking about.
And that we see the new Twitter files dropped today.
And it looks clear that the FBI was pressuring Twitter to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story.
We see that clearly.
They actually, the FBI had the Hunter Biden laptop like a year before the Post published on it.
They knew it was coming.
They were monitoring emails.
They kept it suppressed because they wanted to protect what's essentially this uniparty of people who want to rule us, as Natalie was saying, really think that they're better than us, really think that their views are more important than ours.
And I think it's really about time that we speak out against this and take a stand and save our country.
Natalie, any other additional thoughts on this that we should know about?
I mean, the new Congress should have a special committee just looking into how many billions of dollars are we spending to shut up our own citizens?
Several.
And I think with the Hunter Biden story, don't miss the forest for the trees.
Yes, he's one of these American princelings that have done business deals with the Chinese Communist Party and basically every one of America's enemies.
But I think the buried lead there is how America's intelligence agencies and really the entire all levels of federal government collaborated to protect their own.
There are many people who are like Hunter Biden in this country who've sold us out to the highest bidder.
And it's all about the doctrine of managed decline, right?
These people want to make money off of selling off the United States on the way down, but it's movements like this, like Turning Point.
Everyone here in this audience, that's how you fight back, right?
Because we don't want to sell America out.
We don't believe in managed decline.
America, not under Joe Biden, but it will be when we get Republicans back in office, is on the rise.
Yeah, and this is a mandate.
I think we have Matt Gates and Lauren Boebert coming in later in the hour, right?
We got both of them.
We're going to press them on both of this.
But Libby, I can speak for the grassroots here and just the normal people.
They're so sick of seeing these stories on War Room and Postmillennial and then nothing being done about it.
Yeah, it's not just that nothing's being done about it in government.
Nothing's being done about it in the rest of media.
What we see is the New York Times rushing to cover up for the Biden family, the Biden administration, for the FBI.
We see that on NPR.
We see it in the Washington Post.
They are more interested in hiding these stories than they are in exposing them.
I listen to podcasts from Washington Post, NPR, New York Times, and I'm always shocked to see what they are not covering.
It's not so much what they are covering, but what they're not.
And that, so Jack has a term for it, the sobic.
I think it's a story selection bias or something.
It really is a bias.
That's actually the greatest manipulation they have: if they're forced to cover a story, there's only so much gamesmanship.
It's the censorship by just not mentioning it at all.
Yes, that's right.
And we even saw after the laptop drop in 2020 articles from NPR and the New York Times discussing explicitly why they would not cover those stories as opposed to actually covering the stories.
And we're seeing now in the new Twitter files dropped today that Yoel Roth, who was head of trust and safety at Twitter, participated in an exercise given by the FBI, a tabletop exercise of what would happen if there was a drop of misinformation files on Hunter Biden and Burisma.
And then it happened.
And Twitter thought that it was fake.
It's a tabletop exercise.
So I'm looking at this.
They're like playing war games.
Yeah, so efforts continued to influence Twitter's Yoel Roth.
In September 2020, Roth participated in an Aspen Institute tabletop.
Of course it was Aspen.
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Right?
On a potential hack and dump operation relating to Hunter Biden.
The goal was to shape how media covered it and how social media carried it.
So what looked to be an exercise was actually just the FBI prepping Twitter to censor the New York Post intentionally.
And so the FBI was basically running Twitter's censorship bureau.
Yeah, and also from the files today, we see that there were a number of FBI agents working at Twitter and they had their own Slack channel.
So say that is that a new Twitter file that we're going to have?
Yeah, that was today.
I haven't actually heard about that.
Yeah, so that was today.
As of 2020, there were so many former FBI employees working at Twitter that they had created their own private Slack channel and a crib sheet to onboard new FBI arrivals.
It's just Michael Schellenberger dropped to today.
It's fascinating.
We talk about the defense industrial complex or the military industrial complex.
Now there's the censorship industrial complex.
There is.
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And I have to say, one of my favorite speeches yesterday, Charlie, was Benny Johnson getting back to the word.
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He does it with humor.
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It was so good.
Yeah.
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A lot of stories want to go through here, Jack.
We are exploring off-camera a rather interesting topic of how do we beat these people.
I think one of the ways is to exploit this unhappy marriage in the left between the legitimate economic Marxists and the race people.
They're incompatible because on the left, somehow they become cheerleaders for the most powerful rich corporations, which in their DNA they're supposed to hate because of the economic theory that ties together the American left.
Any thoughts on that?
Well, I think that's right because you look at the history of this and you can see it exemplified in the history of Antifa, which, of course, I have the book out and I've been going back and rereading some of it.
We did some podcasts on it recently.
But it's this idea that if you look at Occupy Wall Street, Charlie, in 2011, Zakati Park is right there.
It kicks off.
It's all about 99% versus 1%, 90%, 1%.
That's exactly right.
Suddenly, 10 years later, you have this injection of race, gender.
And that was by design.
By design.
And it's all underwritten by corporations realize they could create a shield to no longer get to...
That's criticized with their mass profits or the slave labor in China by just saying they're for pregnant men chemically castrating kids and white people are evil.
That's precisely right.
And so my point is that in order to drive that wedge forward, you've got to go and find the economic Marxists that are still, which, by the way, are still there.
And by and large, particularly internationally, you tend to find this more because when Marxists came to the United States and Yuri Bezbanov talked about this in the 1970s, he understood that our culture, because we were not a peasant and aristocracy culture, we had this massive middle class.
And you couldn't divide people on economic lines the way Marxists and Maoists actually create people's markets have problems, but it's the best way to organize society, period.
People get wealthier.
The market is a tool, but it's also a great tool for a lot of the time.
It's amazing.
It's worked.
Okay, Libby, your thoughts on this, getting the left to fight themselves.
I think there's a lot of room for the left to fight themselves.
As we're seeing with the people at Twitter who are, you know, now no longer with it, they're basically cowards.
So they're going to turn on each other.
They have no values to stand on.
They're going to do what's expedient for them.
They're going to make use of their utilitarian and relativist philosophies to just do what's right for themselves in the moment and without concern for anybody else.
So they're going to expose themselves pretty quickly, I think.
Natalie.
Yeah, I think the left is really good at getting Republicans to kind of have some infighting, right?
We obviously have the establishment stripe of Republicans that we want to take out.
I think a lot of times they're in bed with the left.
But I think in terms of not wasting our resources, having them do some infighting would be good for our movement.
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We asked the question, who do you guys want to see be the nominee in 2024?
And no better person to help us navigate that than Ben.
Ben, what do the people say?
All right, we're going to get this straw poll out here right now.
President 2024, or you can even say president vice president.
Dream ticket, Trump DeSantis.
Trump.
Ron DeSantis and Jim Jordan.
Trump with DeSantis vice president.
Donald J. Trump.
Trump.
Donald J. Trump.
Definitely Trump.
And then for VP, somebody from the House Freedom Caucus.
Trump, baby.
Trump.
President Trump.
Trump.
Trump.
Trump and DeSantis.
Okay, so we keep going.
Anybody else?
One last thing.
One last thing, Charlie.
Anyone for pants?
I have to ask.
I have to ask.
Well, there you have it.
Ben, if you find a supporter of his, let me know.
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We did the same thing with the RNC race, and everyone wants a little bit of regime change.
That is a color revolution, I support.
So, Matt Gates, speaking of regime change, you're trying to block the Speaker of the House vote.
You and I have had some, not block, but you know, have a change.
We've had some conversations about that.
1-3, big day.
Walk us through it.
Well, I think that if the coach loses the games that they're supposed to win, they get replaced.
If the CEO misses the earning projections, then the board fires them.
And I think that in politics, if we have leaders who didn't deliver victory, then maybe we ought to go a different direction.
And that's why I'm not voting for Kevin McCarthy.
Lauren Boebert.
Look, you cannot demand more responsibility without accountability.
From the beginning, I have said my hard line is vacate the chair.
We have to have an accountability mechanism on the Speaker of the House.
This is third in command for the presidency of the United States of America.
And we are going to strip away the one check-in balance that members of Congress have on the Speaker of the House.
And by the way, this was a precedent that Nancy Pelosi started.
Nancy Pelosi changed the rules with motion to vacate, and she stripped that individual authority away from each member of Congress.
And now, Kevin McCarthy is teetering with doing the same thing.
And that is unacceptable for me.
I've said it from the beginning.
This is where we start.
Any negotiations after that are just a wish list because there's no accountability attached to the promises.
So Matt, people are wondering then who's the alternative?
How about Lauren Boebert?
Okay.
How about Matt Gates, Jim Jordan, Lee Zeldon, Leslie, come on?
Can you get to 218, Lauren?
I don't know.
I don't think so.
I got one right here.
Yeah, but I don't know because folks, maybe we want to keep Lauren Bobert open for that VP slots that's coming up.
Can't have two Florida residents.
So that's right.
Well, you know, Charlie, I think that the true base of our party wants to see one of the fighters in leadership, not some shill for lobbyists and special interests.
And the people here know what every single one of us know in Congress, and that is the hardest working, most talented member who inspires our base and gets us to perform at our best is Jim Jordan from Ohio.
He's the best, and he might not be in the race yet.
But you know what?
Paul Ryan wasn't in the race either until Kevin McCarthy dropped out first.
Interesting that Paul Ryan is now back in Kevin McCarthy, birds of a feather flocking together there.
But I think that, you know, Jim May rise like a phoenix from the ashes on January 3rd.
So, and I'd love to see Nancy Pelosi hand Jim Jordan that speaker's gap.
Matt, I gotta.
I gotta ask you, though, everyone here is pro-Trump.
They said Trump, Trump, Trump.
Trump said Kevin McCarthy should be Speaker of the House.
I disagree.
Look, I love President Trump.
I'm gonna vote for him in 2024.
I'm gonna campaign hard for him.
But HR was not always his best thing.
It was not only the best people.
I mean, I remember having to deal with Jeff Sessions and Mattis and Tillerson and Bill Barr.
It was sort of a parade of horribles with some of the people he chose inside of Washington, D.C.
So maybe we ought to have a choice come out of the House that represents the conservative center of our caucus.
I'll be for Trump for president, but I will not follow him in supporting Kevin McCarthy for speaker.
Lauren, like I said, we have to have accountability here.
And without that, Kevin McCarthy's not speaker.
There has been no agreements made on that.
And how can we believe anything else moving forward?
So maybe things change on January 3rd.
But President Trump should take a look at what is actually being said in the House of Representatives right now.
And so, so, Matt, yeah, by the way, like, I remember having to go and beg and plead for subpoena power the last time we were in the majority.
And we had Paul Ryan and Trey Gowdy standing in the way of the accountability that could have reined in the FBI and the Department of Justice before they did all this additional damage to our country.
And Kevin McCarthy was like a wallflower.
He was sitting on his hands, never did anything to help us, never spoke up to help us at all.
So now I'm supposed to believe that when he needs my vote, he's all of a sudden going to be like some big alpha giving us the authority to get answers.
It's a total puppet show.
It's a parade.
And the people here know it and see it.
And you know what?
If Kevin McCarthy was on that stage today, he'd get booed off of it and for good reason.
So someone who we all respect, Marjorie Taylor Greene, says Kevin McCarthy is going to be a great speaker.
I guess you'll have to ask Marjorie about that.
I'm a fan of hers.
I'm an admirer, but it's not something we see the same.
Lauren?
Well, you know, I've been aligned with Marjorie and accused of believing a lot of the things that she believes in.
I don't believe in this, just like I don't believe in Russian space lasers.
Are you a hard no?
Space lasers and all of this.
No, I'm just saying we need to actually have an inside conversation and make sure that these promises are there.
We've had forums for the first time ever.
The first one went terrible.
Absolutely.
What do you mean by that?
Forum for the rules.
So we are a majority rule, self-governing body.
And for the first time, the GOP conference came together and actually discussed the conference rules that we're going to have and we're able to have amendments.
The first round went absolutely terrible.
Second round kind of went worse.
But anytime Kevin McCarthy stood up and said, no, this is right, we're going to do it, people acquiesce.
They backed off.
We need leadership on all of the decisions, not someone who is going to remain silent, especially on something like earmarks.
We talked about that on your show just last week.
It's a big problem.
It is a huge problem.
And Kevin McCarthy was completely silent in this forum when it came to earmarks.
And now Republicans are probably going to spend just as much as Democrats did because we have earmarks back in place.
Yeah, think of some of the crazy stuff that we're asking for, our unreasonable demands.
We want conservatives on the key committees.
We want a budget on the floor that will balance.
We want every bill to deal with a single subject, not to have to vote on the farm bill and war powers in Yemen in the same vote.
And these are things Kevin McCarthy is unwilling to give us because he actually wants to turn the institution over to the lobbyists and K-Street.
Remember, Kevin McCarthy is the guy who has been identified as big tech's best friend in Congress.
Do you really want some lackey for big tech making these key decisions about what legislation is reviewed and considered on the House floor?
Of course not.
And so the reason Kevin is pushing back on these demands we've made is not because he is coming from some position of strength.
It's because he's a puppet for the lobbyists and the America-last institutions that have been keeping the people of our country down for decades.
And so the fear that some people have is, well, no, Speaker, how long is this going to go on without finding a consensus?
And so just so I'm clear, you're a hard no, Matt, right?
I mean, he could make you head of the rules committee and you would still say no.
I'm not voting for Kevin.
Okay.
But Lauren, you're not a hard no.
You're currently a no, but if rule changes, I just want to make sure.
Look, there's a place here.
If there is accountability there, we can start having other conversations.
But those conversations don't exist without accountability.
So we'll see on January 3rd if there's any accountability there, but I don't see it coming yet.
Walk us through the process then, Matt.
What does a win look like for you on January 3rd?
Well, I would really like on January 2nd for Kevin McCarthy to see that he doesn't have the votes, he won't have the votes, and then from that, a consensus candidate like a Jim Jordan, like Lise Eldon, could step forward and be considered.
Doesn't have to be a member of Congress.
That's right.
How about Pasovic for Speaker?
I don't know.
We're taking out.
Charlie Kirk.
How about Charlie Kirk?
I wouldn't get any of that.
I tried to get you to be the RNC chairman because you really are the best.
You raise the money.
You inspire the activists.
And you actually believe that people ought to have skills in political battle.
Oftentimes, we have an RNC that has meetings and they do lectures, but people don't come out of interactions with the RNC better prepared for the fight.
That's exactly what Turning Point does, and that's what we ought to scale up.
I have no interest in being RNC chair, but I guarantee you I wouldn't spend $700,000 on flowers.
I guarantee you.
You could get a deal.
You know a guy.
Yeah, there would be no flower budget, period.
And no Lululemon budget.
Okay, it just wouldn't exist.
Come on now.
You're the Republican Party.
So, but what does success look like on 1.3 then, Matt?
Picking someone else.
Okay, but the process, right?
What does it look like?
For the people that don't understand, is this a backroom deal?
Is it going to go public?
Oh, no.
Walk us through the timetable.
What is happening on 1-3?
Walk us through it.
Well, the role is called of the Congress alphabetically.
So we need extra courage from those with last names that starts with A, B, C, D.
And then as those votes pile up, then I think you'll see more folks reject McCarthy as a candidate, and there may be subsequent rounds of voting.
We might not get to a speaker on the first ballot.
It may take a few votes.
It may take a few days.
It may take a few weeks.
But you know what?
I'd rather get this right.
I'd rather have sort of a turbulent takeoff than to spend two years trying to follow a leader that's got a wet finger in the wind to try to figure out where to go with things.
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So what you're saying is that by the end, the wee hours of 1.3, we may not have a speaker.
That's what you're saying.
I'm saying we can see the cherry blossoms bloom and not have a speaker.
Wow.
Well, but Matt, but is that good for the country?
That means we wouldn't have subpoenas, no committees, no budgets.
Well, look, we don't have it anyway if it's Kevin McCarthy.
I've been to this movie.
I've seen the way the guy acts in leadership, and there's no gusto there.
There's no strength.
There's only slower surrender than yesterday.
And I don't want to be in Congress if that's the case.
Frankly, Charlie, I've probably got a lot of constituents that wouldn't mind if the House of Representatives didn't convene at all.
Maybe the people are more safe and our liberties are more safe when folks in Congress are back home in their districts, not sitting around the swamp and inside the building.
I think that sounds good, Matt.
But, I mean, Kevin says he'll do the Maorcus oversight and impeachment, Garland.
I mean, it's better to have somebody.
I wouldn't say that, Charlie.
He said he would think about an investigation that could one day lead to an impeachment inquiry.
And I know what that is in McCarthy Speak.
It is the slow boat to China.
And I've just had enough of it.
This guy's had years to try to show that he could lead.
And time and again, he has failed the test of leadership.
He's immovable.
Matt Gates, everybody.
Lauren, one, three, what does success look like?
Just like Matt said, we have to get this right for America.
We absolutely have to put in the time, put in the effort, have these conversations.
We aren't there to just anoint someone to a position and say, well, you earned it.
If that's how we arrived anywhere in life, then we wouldn't be very far.
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So, Jack, I'm not Catholic, but I have a lot of respect for Catholicism, and Aquinas is one of my favorite authors and thinkers ever.
So, Father Frank Pavone is terrific.
I've met him multiple times, pro-life guy.
He has been, what's the right word?
Defrocked.
Okay.
Laicized is the proverbial.
Why does this matter?
So he is being punished for two reasons, Charlie.
Two reasons.
Number one, absolute warrior for the right to life in our country.
For 30 years, even back when, and you remember these conversations, we were told, hey, wait your turn.
That issue is not going to happen.
We're never going to do this.
He never stopped.
Ran priest for life since 1993, Charlie.
Number two, massive Trump supporter put on the red hat.
This is the machinations.
You talk about deep state.
Well, there's a deep church.
We all know about this.
Francis is doing the bidding of that deep church by striking back against priests that actually stand up for the things that the Bible teaches.
Yeah, so, but I guess my response is: we know the Vatican's corrupt, at least I do.
I'm not Catholic.
Like, why does he care?
Why does Father Pavone care?
Yeah, I mean, just keep fighting for life.
Like, why do he care?
No, he will.
No, he will.
But, Charlie, the point is, this is a message.
This is sending a message to every other priest, to every other bishop trial.
But it's even worse than that.
It was a secret trial because this was not put out in public.
Look, Charlie, if I knew that Father Pavone was in trouble, I would have been out there every day.
We're fighting back.
We're going to do this.
Charlie, this was done in secret, in private.
We get an edict from the Vatican.
You're done.
We're taking your collar.
We're taking your frock.
There are bishops, by the way, that are even speaking out now against Francis.
Here's an attack vector I think you should exploit.
There were legitimate pedophiles that didn't get unfrocked.
100%.
But you fight for life.
By the way, the last person, the last high-profile person who was defroged was McCarrick, who was the most high-profile pedophile.
So, the fact of the matter is, this guy has been giving the same punishment that a known high-level pedophile would receive for being a Trump supporter and being prolonged.
So, as a non-Catholic, but as a Christian, I look at this and I don't quite understand the dynamics.
How often are priests unfrocked?
Almost never.
Almost quantify that.
Once every couple years, once I've seen it, I can only think of two in the past decade or so.
Okay, so this is extraordinary matter.
Extraordinary.
Because there are other levels, by the way.
You can be suspended from your parish.
You could be reassigned.
You can kind of be put in the penalty box.
They didn't even try any of that.
This was straight on to defrocking.
You cannot, he cannot say mass, not even say mass for himself.
He cannot preside over any sacraments, can't receive all of it.
All of it is gone.
And they're telling him no appeals whatsoever.
So, Charlie, this has had the opposite effect.
This has inflamed the conservative side of the Catholic Church here in America and around the world.
People are rallying to him the same way they rallied for Cardinal Zen when the Chinese Communist Party was trying to lock him up and did lock him up.
And then Francis made the deal with the Chinese Communist Party.
I would put it on that level because you're seeing this now.
I'm not going to say schism, but I will say split within the Catholic Church of people saying, Look, we don't like criticizing our Pope.
He's the leader of the church, but this guy makes it easy.
This guy makes it very, very easy because what he's doing is absolutely wrong.
Why?
I mean, just to reiterate the point, you have legitimate pedophiles that were in the Catholic Church that were not unfrocked or defrocked.
Because, Charlie, here's what happens: right?
You have to understand the Jesuit mafia.
And Pope Francis is the first Jesuit pope that we've ever had in the church.
Other people who have been defrocked, in some cases, even excommunicated when they were Jesuits, Pope Francis would come in and overturn it and protect them and help out his buddies because there are different orders of priests.
Now, of course, Father Pavone, Mr. Pavone, whatever the proper term is right now, is not a Jesuit.
And so Francis could care less about dealing with him.
You are now seeing this mafia of liberals, socialists take over the Vatican, and many other entities within the church seek to impose their rule.
By the way, you've got this guy, Father James Martin, out there.
It's LGBT this, LGBT that, activism, activism, activism.
And he's promoted by the church because he's a Jesuit.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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Thank you so much for listening and God bless.
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