For more than twelve years, Joe Biden and the American government have hunted Kim Dotcom to the ends of the earth, looking to imprison him for life because his website MegaUpload cut into Hollywood profits. Dotcom joins Charlie to describe why he became such a major target, how he became the target of a dedicated Deep State spying op, and what Charlie's legal options are as a target of sustained censorship from Twitter. Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Biden's Destruction of Mega Upload00:06:02
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Hey, everybody.
Welcome to this episode.
We got Jack Pesobic co-piloting and a special guest, Kim.com, founder of Mega Upload, and you could say just founder of the internet.
Almost.
Founder of the new internet.
How about that?
So, that's right.
So, Kim 3.
Welcome to the program.
For some members of our audience that are not familiar with your story, it's super fascinating.
Walk us through kind of the 35,000-foot version.
Okay, so really quick, I have a bit of history with Joe Biden because he destroyed my business mega upload.
Back in the day, we were responsible for about 4% of global internet traffic.
And he's best friends with Senator Chris Dodd.
And Chris Dodd was hired by Hollywood to do something against online piracy, right?
And so the first idea was: let's just bring a new law called the Stop Online Piracy Act, also known as SOPA.
You guys may remember that a million people went on the streets to protest against it, and they had to stop that.
And the plan B was to shut down my business.
And Joe Biden worked together with Chris Dodd on this.
And Joe Biden put his own lawyer when he was still a senator.
He had a lawyer named Neil McBride, and he put this guy into the Department of Justice to bring the case against me.
And then he met with all the Hollywood bosses in the White House.
And fortunately, Obama made it transparent who's going to the White House.
We had the visitor list.
And a week before that meeting with all the Hollywood bosses, this prosecutor that Biden put in the DOJ, his only visit ever to the White House was to Biden's chief of staff a week before that meeting to basically report to him about the progress with the grand jury and charging me for piracy.
And basically what they are saying is that I'm personally responsible for the actions of users.
It's kind of like saying, you know, if YouTube has someone uploading a copyright infringing video, then they are responsible.
What year was this, Kim?
I'm just curious.
What year was this?
In 2012.
Yeah.
And so it's interesting.
That's a very similar argument that Section 230 is supposed to prevent against, right?
Which is these companies can't be held liable for what happens on their platform.
Yeah, that's right.
And there is a law in the U.S.
It's called the DMCA, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, that is supposed to protect online service providers.
And it should have protected us because we had a DMCA agent.
Our takedown history was like 99.999% compliant.
We even introduced a tool on our side that allowed copyright holders to take things down themselves directly without any delay.
And they have used that system heavily, right?
So the reason all of this happened was really because Chris Dodd needed to deliver to Hollywood, which paid him like 20 million plus to be there, the MPAA chairman.
And, you know, his buddy Biden helped him.
And here's the interesting part about this story.
To get Obama over the line to agree with that, who was reluctant to do it, you may remember this clip of Chris Dodd on Fox, where he was threatening to not provide any funding through Hollywood for Obama's and Biden's re-election campaign.
And he basically said, if you don't take care of us, why should we take care of you?
And that was a plot that Biden and Dodd came up with together.
And that's how they put pressure on Obama to go along with this.
And then just a month before the raid, Chris Dodd had a four-hour meeting with Obama at the White House to seal the deal.
And then literally a day before my birthday in January, they raided my home with 72 cops, you know, some of them arriving in two helicopters.
It was like an anti-terrorism raid.
Anyone can watch this on YouTube if you look at my name up, kim.com, and the raid, you can watch the whole thing.
And it's literally insane.
Five Eyes Global Spy Network00:05:51
And this is in New Zealand where police officers don't even have guns.
They have tasers at best.
So it just was a completely crazy global news story that something like this would happen.
And, you know, I'm fighting extradition to the U.S. ever since.
It's almost year 12 coming up.
Wow, 12 years.
So is New Zealand what just I'm not really caught up on this.
Is New Zealand do a pretty good job usually of pushing back against US extradition requests?
Well, New Zealand, unfortunately, has changed quite a bit politically.
It used to be an independent country.
They had a policy here where they didn't allow any kind of nuclear energy or even nuclear-powered ships from the US Navy to come to New Zealand.
And the U.S. was very upset about that.
And it punished New Zealand with basically years of lost opportunity, billions in business opportunities lost because the US was punishing New Zealand.
And then New Zealand kind of came around and wanted to be buddies again.
And in my case, they have like completely ignored their own laws.
They have done everything to deliver the result that the US wanted despite all the legal issues, the unlawfulness of what the government has done in my case.
I think the biggest story that was most embarrassing for New Zealand is that the NSA spied on me illegally and they used the local spy agency, the GCSB, to execute that.
And because I'm an online gamer, I play competitive video games, I could see that they rerouted my traffic and I could see it in my games because I had more latency, right?
So after the raid happened, I told my lawyers, hey, let's look into this because I noticed something was wrong with my traffic.
And then through discovery, we found out in court that they spied on me illegally.
And the whole thing unraveled, that this was like a major deep state operation from the US-based NSA.
And we won in court.
We exposed that illegal spying and the prime minister of New Zealand had to apologize to me.
But it wasn't enough for them to say, okay, let's skip this whole extradition thing.
They kept going.
Yeah, so here's where I'm curious.
I want to get Jack Mesobic in this.
What is it about the website you were running mega upload that was such a threat to the United States government and the regime?
Well, the real threat was, and this is when they got so interested in me when I released a video with a couple of celebrities that were basically singing in the mega upload song with Kanye and, you know, Kim Kardashian was in there as well.
And I think 10 or 12 big A-list celebrities were promoting mega upload.
And the reason for that was because I developed basically a platform where they can cut out the middleman and sell direct to consumers.
And at that time, mega upload already had well over, you know, 180 million registered users.
So this would have made a huge difference for the artists selling direct to consumers and basically leaving the labels behind.
So it became a major, a major threat to the traditional entertainment industry in the U.S.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, the Harvey Weinsteins of the world would have been really threatened by this.
So totally.
Yeah, real quick, Jet, that the point, and hi, Kim, how are you?
That the spying that you're talking about, this is indicative of the type of operations that we see run through the Five Eyes intelligence sharing framework of which New Zealand is a partner.
And so this is essentially a situation where on the back end, these agencies, as well as the UK, as well as Canada, Australia, they can get in.
And so let's say that, you know, let's say that I'm the NSA and I want to spy on Charlie Kirk.
Well, I can't just do that because you go through the fourth, because it runs.
Well, they just use the UK to the UK.
They outsource it.
They can't do it domestically, but they could do it through the UK or through Germany.
Right.
And I say, well, maybe Charlie is acting on foreign orders and then we go to the British and then they come in.
Yeah, that's right.
Well, it's even worse than that because the US spy agencies, they open up all the fiber connectivity to any kind of US system that is connected to the internet.
So they're basically saying here, all of our doors are open for you, GCHQ and UK.
You can spy on all Americans.
And then they put all that spy product into a joint spy cloud that they all have access to.
This is how they did it in my case.
So the GCSB spied on me locally, then uploaded the entire spy product into the spy cloud that they all share.
And that is how the US gained access to my data, right?
So they have this kind of relationship where they just circumvent the local laws by utilizing other jurisdictions to do it for them.
But in the end, they still end up with basically complete mass surveillance of every American.
Big Tech Narrative Control00:04:29
So, Kim, first of all, the indictment against you feels like such a shaky case, very similar to how they went after Ross Ulbricht, but that's a secondary.
I was going to say these, actually, it feels like the same thing.
It feels like Russ Ulbricht.
Yeah, the same template.
So, Kim, let me ask you.
See, yeah, the same period of time, same prosecutors, probably too.
So, Kim, let me ask you now, transition with that sort of context and that backdrop.
What's going on with Twitter, the censorship that I experienced do not amplify?
And with your experience, how should we think about this?
Well, I mean, what happened here is pretty obvious, right?
You have a political party that joined forces with the deep state and says, you know, in order to win future elections, we need to be in partnership with them.
We need to be in cahoots with them.
We need to be able to, you know, control the mainstream media.
We need to be able to work with big tech, you know, to censor other voices, you know, other than what we want to promote.
And this is what happened at Twitter.
You know, they literally implemented their own people.
You know, there's a lot of intelligence community assets within Twitter, like this guy Roth and others.
And they colluded with the deep state and the Democratic Party to basically achieve control of the narrative on Twitter, right?
And a lot of right-wing commentators were just completely blocked or banned.
And those that were too high-profile, what they did, they just de-amplified them.
They just made sure in the algorithm that they can still tweet and everything, but no one sees it, right?
They have very, very few interactions.
Basically, only from people that go directly to their Twitter page in the browser, they will see what they are tweeting, but it's not appearing in any timeline or anything.
And that's kind of the evil part of it, right?
You think you still have a voice, but in reality, they're just making you invisible.
Well, so what I find fascinating is kind of during the early years of the internet, the people that would be crying against censorship or for internet piracy or privacy, I'm sorry, would be mostly on the left, right?
They would mostly be liberals and they'd be very, they were very worried about the Bush war and the NSA.
And this was pornography, too, actually, was a huge deal.
Yeah.
So, Kim, what do you think about now that it's the exact opposite?
It's now conservatives that are the ones that are being censored and suppressed.
And it seems as if most people on the left are not just comfortable with it, they're willing to use that kind of power to go after self-identified conservative.
Yeah, I mean, it's crazy that Democrats are now the pro-war party.
You know, like 180-degree switch from what their positions used to be.
And now they are this censorship totalitarian party that wants to destroy all opposing voices.
And the way they achieved that with big tech, and I think maybe not a lot of people understand this.
I understand this better because I used to be big tech myself, right?
Those big companies today are all monopolies.
Facebook is a monopoly.
Google is a monopoly.
They control the entire search space.
And in order to not be broken up, they basically have a deal that if we comply with whatever censorship you want, you know, you leave us alone.
We can deliver the best results for our shareholders.
You don't break us up.
Just keep the FTC away from us.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, exactly.
Keep any kind of allegation that we are a monopoly away from us and let us do our business and grow to the mammoth that we are in our space.
And that is exactly the incentive that these big tech companies needed.
They don't care about the politics of the two different parties.
They couldn't care less.
All they care about is to protect their monopoly.
And that's why they're doing these deals.
Elon Musk and Twitter Deals00:05:34
Yeah.
And it just, it seems like people are so comfortable with this.
So let me ask you about Elon purchasing Twitter.
This was an unexpected development.
Do you find this to be a significant improvement so far?
And what do you think Elon's motives are?
Well, it's absolutely fantastic, right?
First of all, we are all extremely lucky that he eventually did go ahead and buy Twitter because everything that has happened since he bought it is phenomenal for freedom of speech, right?
We now know about the collusion between the Democratic Party, you know, the FBI and Twitter to censor people that they didn't like, right?
We will learn even more about the censorship around COVID.
Because now that we have a better understanding of the origin of COVID-19, that this was actually gain of function research that was funded by Fauci in the Wuhan lab in China and not some funny bet at a wet market that infected the entire world with this novel virus.
This was a lab manufactured virus and people would already know about this if there wasn't that much censorship, right?
Like any health professional that has pointed out when they looked at the DNA sequencing of the virus and said, wait a minute, this looks artificial.
This is not a natural looking virus.
Like this literally, you can literally see where the cuts were made with CRISPR to introduce foreign DNA to basically make this thing transmissible to humans.
And the way they do that, they basically humanize mice.
They give them cells that make their immune system basically compatible to that of a human.
And then they try and infect them with these modified viruses.
And once they achieve that, they know it's going to work with humans.
And that's what happened here.
And people would already know about this and understand this way better if it wasn't for all the censorship.
So the next Twitter files that are coming out, thanks to Elon taking over, are going to touch on that.
Also on vaccines, right?
There were a lot of doctors early on that said, you know, there are all kinds of side effects.
There are people dying that are taking it.
And they were all shut down.
They were literally kicked off the platform and they lost their jobs.
Any kind of suggestion of alternative treatments of people affected by COVID were shut down because the pharma industry wanted to make sure that they can sell these vaccines.
Why would they promote an alternative that costs a dollar a pill that can achieve the same thing or even better?
So this is what happened on Twitter.
And I'm really looking forward to this next release because that is really some powerful stuff.
And I think the more people understand that not only the pandemic was brought to them by the U.S. government, but also any kind of medication that would have helped them other than the vaccines was completely suppressed.
Jack, final thoughts here.
You know, Kim, if you can very quickly, though, just tell us, you laid out something for us at length when we did a Twitter space last week.
What's the next step?
Right.
So Elon's got this.
We've got the Twitter files.
What can we do?
Are there lawsuits?
Is there legislation?
What can we actually do to fight back a here?
Well, that's the beautiful thing.
You know, we now are outside of the realm of speculation.
We now have hard evidence.
So someone like Charlie, who has been affected by this censorship, can join a lawsuit with other affected parties.
And the lawsuit should not go against Twitter.
It should go against the individuals at Twitter that have implemented this.
It should go against the DNC.
So you want to attack the actual political party that was responsible for this and directed basically their assets to make that happen.
And you also want to go against the FBI and other institutions that were involved because they had direct meetings with Twitter, basically weekly arrangements about what else their expectations are.
So you have the perfect criminal conspiracy here committing election fraud by trying and manipulate to manipulate elections by censoring people.
And those who were censored, they can take legal action.
Absolutely.
Well, Kim, thank you for being so generous with your time.
And the fight against the powerful is just beginning, but I think we made some big gains in recent weeks.
Thanks to Elon.
Kim, thank you so much.
Yeah, thank you guys.
Nice to meet you.
Merry Christmas.
Thank you.
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