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Dec. 15, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Marcus Aurelius's Advice for Midterm Setbacks with Byron Donalds and Lauren Boebert
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Feelings Are Irrelevant 00:10:52
Hey everybody, Tana Charlie Kirk.
Shari, I open with a monologue about your feelings being irrelevant.
It's what you do that matters.
Kind of pushing back against some of the cynicism we see in our land.
And then I have Byron Donalds and Lauren Boebert on the program.
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We got Byron Donalds and Lauren Bobert joining this hour.
All about the speakers race, the drama there, and this ridiculous, lame duck bill that is being pushed.
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There's a lot to learn.
There's a lot to do.
I can see your emails and see your sentiment.
There's a fair amount of cynicism, a fair amount of disdain for the ruling class.
And I understand all of that.
But you cannot allow that to prevent you from acting, from doing the right thing.
In life, your feelings are actually largely irrelevant to your actions.
It's one of the reasons why you should not follow your heart.
Instead, you should do what is correct.
Your feelings are fine.
I totally understand it.
In fact, I agree with a lot of it.
Charlie, I'm angry.
Same.
Charlie, I'm depressed.
I was.
Not anymore.
Charlie, I'm broken, tired, disgusted.
Okay.
So then the question is: then, what do you do?
Do you choose then to act morally?
Do you then behave in a way that will make the country freer or less free?
Feelings are totally important.
I get it.
It's how God made us.
But if you just follow your feelings, you follow your heart, as it says in Jeremiah, you will not end up with a freer and better country.
You must focus on what we can control.
There's a great quote from one of my favorite thinkers.
Actually, I have a bust of him in my office.
Next week, we're going to talk a lot about philosophy and religion because it's kind of the end of the year and near Christmas, and we'll see how the news cycle is.
Actually, yeah, it's next week.
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But one of my favorite thinkers is Marcus Aurelius, one of the great men ever to live.
He was the most powerful man on the planet when he was probably the last of the great Roman emperors.
He had a pretty awful son, Commodus, which is portrayed rather dramatically and somewhat accurately in the movie Gladiator.
Anyway, Marcus Aurelius wrote a series of private journals that he never anticipated would be published or publicized.
In fact, he would probably be shocked to hear that, and probably a little bit humiliated, that these are now, it's one of the most powerful books ever written called Meditations.
Anyway, Marcus Aurelius, being the most powerful man in the world, could invade a country at a whim, actually had to deal with a big plague.
He was one of the most articulate and powerful Stoics, Seneca being another and many others.
But Aurelius had a belief that you must choose not to be harmed.
He even said that the obstacle is the way, that what might be preventing you from getting what you want actually might end up being the most helpful, beneficial, and the blessing that you've been looking for.
I understand the sentiment.
In fact, I have one right here.
Charlie, I'm not voting anymore.
I'm finished voting.
Let the Democrats have the country.
Okay.
And by the way, some of you say, well, Charlie, these are trolls.
No, some of these people are actually people that financially support Turning Point USA, that are supporters of the Charlie Kirk show.
Some of these people I actually know.
Charlie, you can't say lose hope.
The problem is the problem, you can't say we lose hope.
The problem is we vote and Republicans for the House and they turn around and screw us.
Okay, I understand.
But then the question is, what do you do about it?
Do you disengage from the system?
Do you embrace an attitude of cynicism?
I think in life we allow our feelings and allow our emotions to drive us far too much.
It's normal.
It's understandable.
But we do have agency and free will to make a decision when things don't go our way.
It is easy, it is tempting to disengage from the process when things do not go the way you want them to go.
This is why I think the emphasis on behavior is so critical.
I'm much more interested in what you do and how you act.
If you have all of the feelings of cynicism and all of this and you're still fighting and you're still voting and you're still organizing and you're running for office and you're donating, then terrific, you're not allowing yourself to be dominated by a feeling.
Feelings are very tricky.
And in fact, I think that in the current state, it's very simple.
If we quit, they win.
And so the question needs to be: what is the path forward for the grassroots for you, the everyday citizen?
Despite all of the nonsense and that Ben Carson story and the changing of all this definitions of woman, all this garbage, we still live in a tremendously beautiful country.
And what a time to be alive, to be able to organize and make a difference in that.
It's not even a question of whether or not I'm going to fight.
You know, someone says here, Charlie, you're no different than the mainstream media.
It's just a wine fest offering no solutions.
Actually, I have offered solutions.
The first solution is to not give up.
That's the first solution.
They are blitz-krieguing the conservative movement.
They are bombarding you.
They are trying to metaphorically waterboard you to tap out and to surrender and to give up.
Someone says, well, Charlie, do you think we're going to win?
I have no idea.
That's actually not an important question.
The more important question is, what are you doing?
And someone says here, well, Charlie, I'm burned out and I'm done and I'm tired.
I'm burned out too.
Last year, I traveled 320 days across the country.
I'm not saying feel sorry for me.
I have a very blessed life.
I have a dream job like you couldn't imagine.
Turning points doing such a beautiful job.
It's amazing, but look, you get burned out.
It's life.
But we got an event to host.
We got thousands of students' lives to change.
We got things that we got to focus on here.
We got chapters to start, campus tours to execute.
We got TPUSA faith things to do.
We got pastors to train up.
We got Turning Point Academy to scale and keep going.
We got way too much on my plate to just say, well, you know, I feel rather tired.
And I understand the feeling.
I'm not telling you to lie to yourself.
I'm not saying for you to go into a pattern of, I'm actually really happy.
No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying how do you act?
That's the difference.
Feelings, voice to friends, emotions, perfectly legitimate.
However, if you allow that to then take over, to domineer your behavior, to surrender and to give up, then you're acting immorally, in my calculation.
And we're going to keep on talking about what you can actually do.
And for those of you that are Christians, the most simple yet courageous thing that you can do every day is to speak truth to your friends, to your family, to yourself.
Do not lie.
And if you believe in truth, then by definition, you cannot give up.
You are not allowed to give up if you believe in truth.
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Byron Donalds is with us.
Byron, welcome to the program.
I think you're coming to AmericaFest.
Is that right?
I will be there.
Yep, you got me.
I'll be in there Sunday.
I think that's what they told me.
It's great.
Well, you do a wonderful job.
We're really thrilled and thankful you're making the time, AmFest.com.
So, Byron, a lot happening.
Let's just start with the outrageous, this bill, this Uniparty bill that is just being approved.
It seems at the top levels.
What do you know about it?
Nine months of $1.7 trillion.
The floor is yours.
I think it's completely outrageous.
Senate Republicans that are going for this deal, frankly, are selling us up a creek.
And look, I don't really use that word too often, but it's true.
We just had an election.
They're agreeing to nine months of funding.
This is the Biden administration's agenda going into September of next year when the voters were very clear about divided government.
If there's anything we could learn from 2022, is that they don't really trust any party.
And so they want divided government at a minimum.
So for them to agree to this in the Senate to me is outrageous.
We shouldn't be doing it.
More Ukraine funding with no accountability.
They want more COVID funding when there's still about half a trillion, excuse me, of unspent COVID dollars that have been appropriated makes zero sense.
So I'm opposed to it.
I know many House Republicans are opposed to it.
Every House Republican should be opposed to it.
But this is a concoction of the Senate dynamics where they think it's okay to brush the spending under the rug because they don't want to take the political hit for having to actually, you know, negotiate spending in January or February, which is the responsibility of Congress.
Actually, it's the first responsibility.
I mean, Byron, you're a grassroots guy.
You vote really well and you understand the base.
I mean, people are so fired up.
This demoralizes our most passionate voters, donors, and activists when the Unit Party acts this way.
And so the House is a purely majoritarian deal.
I mean, it seems like the Democrats are just going to shove this through, unfortunately.
But the Senate is TBD.
We had Senator Rick Scott, who seemed pretty fired up about this.
Is there a chance to block this?
You got to have 10, you have to have 10 Republicans to say, I'm against this, right?
The Republicans in the Senate should all stick together.
There's nothing wrong with negotiating spending in February or January.
We should be doing that.
I think it's possible.
But if 10 Republican senators agree to it, this thing's over.
That's the reality up here on Capitol Hill.
It's so broken and backwards.
So, Byron, we have there's a lot, let's say, fired up opinions in our audience about what's going to be happening on 1.3 for the Speaker of the House vote.
I have a concern that I have voiced repeatedly that if we do not get our act together, the Unit Party very well might get their own speaker and sneak this through.
Who are you supporting for Speaker of the House and why?
Well, first and foremost, I'm going to vote for Kevin.
I think that when it comes down to getting the things done that we need to get done, he's the leader in the clubhouse.
He's the guy that has the vast majority of the votes.
But secondarily and more important, I think this has got to be clear as well.
There are things in my view that Kevin needs to do.
From my view, a lot of this is scar tissue from the John Boehner time and the Paul Ryan time.
And so there are members who do remember a time when all the promises of open promise, of open process came, but when it actually came time to do the work, none of it materialized.
And so there are members who are conservative members.
They are American first members.
They want to see major changes into the way business is done here on Capitol Hill.
I want to see that as well.
I just think that we're in a situation where we cannot give them a foothold at all.
The investigations do have to start on January 4th, and then you go from there.
So some of the people in our audience are saying, well, this is just another Paul Ryan and John Boehner 2.0.
You're saying that that's actually not the case.
We're going to get real subpoenas, real oversight.
We're going to get real results.
Minute remaining, Byron.
I think the subpoenas and all that stuff is going to happen.
My concern is when you come up to the next budget deal or a debt ceiling deal, what does that look like?
The last part is Congress does not function.
And so it is going to be the responsibility of the speaker to give authority back to the members so this place actually works and functions properly.
What I've seen for two years, everything comes out of the speaker's office.
Your member of Congress is not a legislator.
They essentially come and push buttons when the speaker calls you to the floor.
That is not the way Washington is supposed to work.
And so for the concerns about uniparties, everything being in the hands of the speaker is what promotes that.
And so I don't care who the speaker is.
You got to give power back to the members.
Members should have a lot more say in the process.
That would actually help to break up the cabal that is Washington, D.C.
And to Kevin's credit, he is a hell no on the omnibus.
So that's that, that's that's pleasing.
Byron, I'll see you in a couple days at AmericaFest.
Light it up.
Thanks, man.
All right.
See you.
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Congresswoman Lauren Bobert joins us in just a moment.
She's also speaking at AmericaFest.
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Congresswoman, welcome to the program.
Thanks so much, Charlie.
It's great to be with you today and I can't wait to see you next week.
So you're officially the winner of your race.
Tell us about it.
Yes.
So I did win the election and the recount is over.
It's such a relief for that to be done.
You know, of course, there are a lot of critics coming my way saying, well, little girl, have you learned your lesson?
But if you actually look at the 2020 election and the 2022 election, there's a lot of similarities.
I won the first election with 51% of the vote and I won this one with 51% of the vote.
The difference being there was not a third party candidate in the race to take those Democrat votes away from my opponent.
So it was much closer than any of us were anticipating, but I'm so honored to be in the House majority and here to serve my constituents in Colorado's third district.
You know, there's certainly a weightiness to being in the majority.
It requires discipline and targeted focus.
And I'm ready and prepared to lead with strength and grace.
So tell us about that.
Again, congratulations.
We're super thrilled.
The left was preemptively dancing on your political grave.
And turns out they're actually the suckers.
So tell us, 1-3, we're going into conference, or you guys are going into conference.
I know you might have some things that are not yet public.
How do you stand on the speaker's race?
Well, I have had many conversations about the speaker's race on January 3rd, as I think all of us should be having these conversations.
This isn't a position where someone is just an anointed speaker.
We have to have internal conversations about what leadership needs to look like, what it should look like, and what we're anticipating.
When it comes to January 3rd, I have been very public in saying that my hard line is the motion to vacate the chair.
This is something that we've had for nearly two centuries.
And, you know, if it worked then, it should work now.
Nancy Pelosi was the first one to set the precedence as speaker to remove vacate the chair.
We are a government all about checks and balances.
And this is the one check that we as representatives have on the House speaker.
Any member of the House of Representatives can offer up a motion to vacate.
And Nancy Pelosi took that away and said, nope, I don't want people coming and trying to vacate.
We have a very slim majority, so we're not going to do this.
And she said, only party leadership can bring that motion to vacate.
And right now, Republican leaderships are happy to keep Nancy Pelosi's status quo.
So this is my hard line.
We, as representatives, we need to be empowered to represent our constituents, and we need to be able to have a check on leadership rather than just this having a dictator just rule with an iron fist.
We have to be able to have these communications and to have that accountability.
Otherwise, any ask that we have, any promises that are made, they're simply just a wish list.
Yeah.
And so I suppose the motion to vacate the chair, I think, is super reasonable.
I guess the counter argument would be maybe it takes a threshold, 10 members, 15 or 20 members, not just that one member can pull that, right?
Would that potentially be reasonable?
Not get rid of it altogether, but say, hey, it takes 20 people or 25 people.
Because I could see AOC, let's just pretend it's Speaker Jim Jordan or Speaker Kevin McCarthy.
I could see one of these lunatics calling for a motion to vacate the chair.
And that would just, that would be super annoying for you.
You got to come in.
They got to do a vote, right?
Oh, no.
Don't make members of Congress vote.
But you know what I mean.
I mean, it would.
You know, if a Democrat were to bring up a motion to vacate, so be it.
You know, we would absolutely stick together.
You're trying to take out our speaker.
We don't think so.
This has worked for nearly two centuries.
I mean, since we've had a Congress.
And so why now?
Why are we going to follow Nancy Felosi's precedent and somehow change the definition of this?
We're already changing the definition of inflation and recession and boy and girl.
Now we're going to go to the House rules and say, oh, nope, we're going to redefine this.
It's worked for centuries.
It will work now.
So if, so without saying any specific names, I mean, let's say that we go on 1-3, and I know there's a lot of negotiations happening, and that we do not have a consensus for speaker.
Does that potentially worry you, kind of going into that conference without a pick?
Or do you think that might be a healthy kind of moment of chaos?
So we'll see what January 3rd looks like.
But, you know, I think that there are 220 other members that we can look at right here in the House of Representatives, if that's what it comes to.
There are plenty of people who are well qualified.
And then, of course, we don't even have to look in the body for a speaker.
So I think these conversations are healthy and maybe we come to an agreement before that vote on January 3rd.
But there's lots of rumors saying that a Democrat's going to be speaker.
It's not happening.
There have been plenty of us who have spoken with parliamentarians about this.
It's not happening to have a Democrat speaker.
None of us would take any steps to allow that to happen.
And so we'll see what happens on the first vote.
Maybe Kevin McCarthy sweet speaker.
Maybe we do something completely brand new and bring in someone who's not in Congress.
I don't know exactly what that looks like, but there has to be a consensus somewhere, whether it's with committee assignments and rules, vacate the chair, and how this place actually operates, or there's going to be multiple rounds of votes.
We have to fundamentally change the way Congress operates.
Charlie, you would be so frustrated if you sat in just a portion of the meetings that I am in in conference.
There are so many placeholders who are happy with the way Washington, D.C. operates.
I didn't come here for that.
I know that you hate the way Washington, D.C. is run.
And for America, so we have to have some sort of fundamental change to actually represent Americans and get work done for them.
So I want to transition here to this omnibus bill.
It is so beyond anything.
I mean, our audience is so fired up, Lauren.
They are over the top.
I mean, and this Ukraine thing.
I mean, we are being invaded.
Let me play this piece of tape here again.
I played it in the previous hour.
It's worthy of re-emphasis.
We are being invaded on the southern border.
Let's please go to cut 62.
And I want to know from somebody why Zelensky deserves more money than our southern border.
Play Cut 62.
I've never seen anything quite like this.
Border Patrol officials telling ABC News they are at capacity and have to send migrants elsewhere along the border.
Unauthorized border crossings in El Paso are now averaging more than 2,400 arrests and detainments per day.
Today, adults carrying children through the river.
This ahead of next week's possible end of Title 42, a Trump-era policy that allows for the immediate expulsion of migrants without allowing them to seek asylum.
So the border's wide open, 2,400 people a day.
And for whatever reason, we keep on sending money to Ukraine.
Your thoughts?
Right.
It's absolutely frustrating.
And I'm glad that your audience, your viewers are fired up about this issue.
We continue to send more and more tax dollars to Ukraine while we have a wide open southern border.
I talked to the border patrol agents and they said, you know, we don't even need more resources right now.
We just need the policy that allows us to do our job.
They have been stripped of the ability to actually secure the southern border and enforce our country's laws, our nation's laws.
We had a press conference yesterday calling for the impeachment of Secretary Mayorkis.
This has to be a priority.
These are high crimes and misdemeanors.
This is willful.
This is intentional.
He knows what operational security looks like and operational control.
He knows what it's like to have a secure border, and he is willfully opening it up, removing the policies.
Joe Biden is removing the policies, and they are not enforcing our nation's laws to keep our country safe.
So Secretary Mayorkis absolutely needs to be impeached.
The fentanyl that is coming into our nation is the number one killer of 18 to 45 year olds.
This is a problem.
There are known terrorists and MS-13 gang members that are pouring into our country.
5 million people have come into our country illegally since Joe Biden took office.
This is a problem.
President Trump had the border more secure than I've seen in my lifetime.
And it was completely undone.
And here we are just shoveling more and more money to Ukraine.
And now we're anticipating a $1.7 trillion omnibus bill.
And it absolutely would pass the House because there isn't a single Democrat who has shown a willingness to be financially responsible.
And they're going to continue to spend us into an economic crisis.
But, Charlie, with that omnibus bill, you need to know they need 10 Republicans to pass this through the Senate.
And I hate to say it, but I think they're going to get it.
There are $16 billion in earmarks, corrupt earmarks, riding on passing this omnibus.
And there's going to be 10 senators that care more about spending your tax dollars than they do America's future.
It's well said.
So, Congresswoman, a lot of people, I wanted to zero in on this because there is a fair amount of cynicism that is coming across the movement.
What can you give us that will be hopeful in this new Congress?
Well, first, I hope that we can stop this omnibus because that allows Nancy Pelosi to rule with a dead hand for nearly a year.
She would be in charge of these important spending items right at the end of her reign and would continue to rule in that way.
And we also have, what, 75 new freshmen who wouldn't have a say on these things.
So, first of all, we have to do everything that we can to stop these 10 Republican or rhino senators from voting for this omnibus spending package.
It's $1.7 trillion spending package.
But other than that, Charlie, the future looks so great in the House.
We are going to have investigations into Secretary Mayorkis, into Anthony Fauci, into the FBI, and their corruption and their absolute weaponization on the American people.
We are going to hopefully get spending under control.
You were just talking about earmarks.
And Charlie, I got to say, that's another really important thing for that January 3rd speaker's vote.
We, as a conference, we tried to get rid of earmarks.
And that was something that our current leader did not stand up against.
And this is something that if there would have just been a little more pressure put on the conference, there are plenty of members who are locked up with the leader and others who acquiesce when given that opportunity to, who would have just withheld their guest vote if he would have taken a strong stand on these earmarks.
So hopefully we can get the spending under control because inflation is hurting Americans, and we have to take care of our energy production here in America and secure our southern border.
I think that there's a lot of promising things that we can get the ball rolling on here in the House and certainly put a lot of pressure on the Senate.
And maybe if Joe Biden can find his pen or read a teleprompter, then he just might go along with some of this stuff.
But we have to show the nation that Republicans deserve to be in the majority for a reason.
And we have to be able to govern as we've campaigned.
One of my frustrations before I came to Congress and currently is that too many Republicans campaign one way and govern another.
So this is our opportunity to show America, this is what we believe in.
This is what we stand for.
We are working for you.
We are fighting for you.
We are serving you and putting you first in everything that we do.
So I'm very, very optimistic about the next Congress being in this majority.
And so I'm just so pleased that we were able to squeak by and have this opportunity to lead.
Terrific.
We'll see you this weekend at America Fest, Congresswoman Lauren Bobert.
Thank you so much.
Thanks so much, Charlie.
Thank you.
Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
I want to just remind you guys of this piece of tape here.
Again, I agree with Senator Kramer on a lot of different issues, and I'm only kind of resurrecting this clip for the sense that he was right.
He was telling the truth about is there a limit of how much money we might spend on Ukraine?
Play Cut 71, please.
Questioning Ukraine Aid Limits 00:01:32
I am not in favor of sending military aid to Ukraine, nor is a lot of our audience.
Can you tell us why you believe that's in the best interest of our country?
And also, you voted for the $40 billion of the last bill, but not the first bill.
What amount of money is too much to send to Ukraine?
Because we just did $1.7 billion more.
Where's the line?
Because we're up near $56 billion now.
Sure.
Well, I don't know that the line is a dollar amount, Charlie.
I think each request or each requirement, each demand, each circumstance requires its own discovery, if you will.
So we are now right near $100 billion sent to Ukraine, and that's fine.
We have clarity, but not agreement.
I have a lot of respect for Senator Kramer, just disagreement on that, because now we've now sent the equivalent of two North Dakota GDPs to Ukraine.
I don't feel safer because of that.
Maybe you guys do.
But while our southern border is being overrun and invaded every single day, we are being invaded by foreign powers, foreign nationals, border jumped, flowing into America.
We have a priority, it seems, to continue to finance and fund the Zelensky regime.
That is the priority of the Uniparty.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always: freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.
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