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Nov. 29, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Collapse of the China Model with Josh Philipp and Jack Posobiec
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Voter Suppression Sabotage 00:11:47
Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, we've danced all over the place on this episode.
Little Maricopa County, Little China.
We got Jack Pesobic, we got Josh Phillips from Epic Times.
So much to get to.
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With us is Jack Pesobic.
Jack, welcome to the program.
I want to talk China with you, Jack, but first, your thoughts on Maricopa County.
Looks like they're about to certify.
Jack, you were our co-pilot throughout the entire saga with us.
That will go down in the history books.
Your thoughts, Jack.
Well, Charlie, I'll just say this.
If what happened in Maricopa County had happened in Fulton County, Georgia, you would have had Stacey Abrams and the NAACP and everyone else from MSNBC to CNN, the entire litany coming out demanding an investigation of what went wrong.
And they'd be calling it voter suppression and they'd be calling it duly so.
Charlie, you noted it the day before talking about long lines, potential traffic jams that we saw, people waiting for hours, people turned away.
It's clearly voter suppression.
It is the textbook definition of voter suppression.
And for them to simply refuse to acknowledge it flies in the face of everything that we saw that day, everything that I saw, even as someone who's coming from outside of Arizona, that's not the way that elections ought to be held in the United States.
And by the way, if we're going to say that we stand with the people of China in their calls for freedom, then we ought to also make sure that we don't be hypocrites because we have to look at our own system and pull out what?
The splinter in our own eye.
So one person who testified said there were 600 people waiting in line at 7 p.m. when the polls closed and only 160 actually came in to vote.
That right there is the margin between Abe Hamaday and the Democrat Attorney General candidate.
That right there, very clearly.
That's a 500 person margin.
Now, you extrapolate that throughout the entire valley.
Now, Jack, my working theory is this.
You got Bill Gates, you got Stephen Richer, you got the entire Maricopa County supervisors board.
They are insistent that this was the best run election in Maricopa County history.
They're saying it was run extremely well.
I believe that they're actually thinking of a different game here, Jack.
They have to say that because I think they know deep down that they could be criminally liable for one of the largest voter suppression operations in the history of the West.
Your thoughts, Jack.
Well, Charlie, of course.
It's another example of them saying, well, we have investigated ourselves and we found that we did nothing wrong, right?
So, there's been no independent investigation of this.
There's been no independent measure of this.
There's no certainly national or international body that's taken a look at this beyond the confines, I think, of your show, really.
Charlie Kirk show, RAV in general with War Room, et cetera, Ben being there.
No one's actually taking a look at: okay, what are the standards that we would use from the U.S. State Department, Hillary Clinton State Department?
What standards would she use to declare whether an election in Africa or Eastern Europe or Russia were considered legal and open and reliable?
Then apply those same standards to Maricopa County and let's see if they met the standard or not.
I'd be willing to put Maricopa up to that.
I wonder if Stephen Richard and Bill Gates would acquiesce.
I think that they know how complicit they are.
Let's play a piece of tape here: 20 Cut 23, woman testifying at the Maricopa County supervisors meeting.
And watch, I mean, the outrage is there.
Watch them still certify it after this.
That is how little they care about you.
You want to see a little window into how your congressman likely thinks about you?
Just look at how Maricopa is going to certify despite the citizen outrage.
Play Cut 23.
I feel that the voters of Arizona, and in particular Maricopa County and Wickenburg, had their votes disenfranchised because Maricopa County had so many problems on election day.
Thousands could not vote.
Thousands left discouraged.
I was one of those voters disenfranchised in Wickenburg and Maricopa County.
My ballot looked perfect.
And no matter what I did, the tabulator would not accept it.
I reluctantly finally put my ballot in George 3 ballot and noticed there were hundreds of ballots stuffed in both tabulators in George Gray.
I was later told there were 17,000 plus ballots in George 3.
Jack, one minute remaining.
Look, Charlie, I remember we were laughing about this on the day of the election, saying door three, door three, door three.
We're not laughing about door three anymore.
I want to know what's actually behind that door.
Is this what American democracy, America, our system, our republic, our constitutional republic that our founders bequeathed to us?
Is this what we've devolved to, arguing about votes that go behind a door that nobody can ever seem to find afterwards?
I don't think so.
I don't want to think so.
But at the same time, we have to tell the truth and we have to hold these politicians to account.
And despite all of that, they're going to probably smugly certify.
You think about it, thousands and thousands and thousands of people that were disenfranchised.
We're getting the tape here of this man where he said 675, 675 people were in line and 150 ended up voting.
That's 500 people at the end of the day that said, forget it.
I don't have time.
In the name of defending democracy, Charlie, in the name of defending democracy.
This was a sabotage operation.
Safest and securest sabotage operation by the Maricopa County Board.
And they had a lot of sabotage operations around lately.
Jack, I want to talk to a minute about China.
Floor is yours.
What's going on in China?
Look, Charlie, what we're seeing in China now are the largest widespread protests, the largest uprising since Tiananmen Square.
Now, it's not as large as Tiananmen Square yet, but that remains to be seen because, of course, authorities have begun cracking down.
They're calling it the white paper revolution.
And what is very insightful for us here and very interesting for us to look into is that the Biden regime and the World Economic Forum writ large has to be very careful with their response to this because these are anti-COVID lockdown protests.
That's what started all of this, Charlie.
And this past Thursday in the city of Orumqi, which is the capital of Xinjiang, over there, of course, the same Xinjiang province that we've been talking about for a long time with the mass incarceration of Uyghurs that's there.
Families were burned alive in one of those towers where they had been welded shut.
They couldn't get out, 15th floor and above, smoked out, burned out, smoke inhalation.
People were killed, screaming, let us out, save us, open the doors, open the doors, and let us get out.
The firefighters and first responders couldn't even get there because of the amount of COVID barricades.
So we actually have a COVID lockdown massacre.
Okay, COVID lockdown massacre that took place, believe it or not, on Thanksgiving Day in China last Thursday.
People were dying.
The CCP, what was their response?
They should have found alternate exits.
It was their fault.
They should have found ways out.
The women, the children, they should have found ways out.
It's not their fault.
Certainly not the COVID fault.
And so the problem for the regime, Charlie, is that these are the same people that went all in for going after the truckers of Canada, the farmers of the Netherlands, and the patriots of the United States who are protesting these lockdown policies going all the way back to 2020 because we were demanding freedom, also going against the COVID mandates and all this other insanity that's happened.
So that's why the Biden administration, they put out this little mealy mouth statement.
Oh, well, you know, we are very worried about protest, but make sure you go get vaccinated and boosted.
I kid you not.
They actually said vaccinated and boosted in the same statement.
And the problem for Biden is that his family is up to his ears in Chinese money.
They're up to their ears in CCP money.
The Hunter Biden laptop, the Hunter Biden laptop is the predicate for the investigation of the Biden crime family.
And I saw a lot of people, by the way, criticizing the House GOP, saying that they were going to look into this and say, well, how's that relevant?
Well, guess what?
It's incredibly relevant.
I've got 1.6 billion reasons why it's relevant.
And the fact that our government can even respond in the face of this shows you how it's relevant.
We made a deal under the first Bush administration with General Snowcroft when he went over there that laid the seeds of globalism, this globalist system in the blood of Tiananmen Square.
Because we went to the CCP and we said, look, if our market forces can come over there and these industries can outsource their labor to Chinese slaves, you become the manufacturer of the world, will split the profits, will be the senior partner, you be the junior partner.
Who cares what happens to the inside of the United States?
Who cares what happens to the Rust Belt?
Who cares what happens to the South?
We're all going to be filthy rich and we'll make you rich as well.
That was the deal, Charlie.
That's why China, after Tiananmen Square, 1989, what happens next?
They ascend to the World Trade Organization, foreign direct investment, increases, not decreases.
Look at the response to Russia, right, with the invasion of Ukraine.
We could have done that.
We could have knocked the CCP into the last century where they belong.
But instead, we decided to form a deal with them.
Not you and me, but our corrupt ruling elites.
And that is why you do not see any response to this.
No athletes, no celebrities, nobody is speaking out against this.
Why?
It's simple.
Money, power, greed, and avarice.
Pays the bills.
That's what it comes down to, Charlie.
And the people, the people of China, God bless them for standing up because they know what the stakes are.
They understand that they're in a fight for freedom.
They're in a fight for literally their lives.
And these protests, which have become the powder keg, and then this massacre, which was the spark.
It's amazing that they're repeating the line of the first line of the Chinese national anthem.
Arise those who refuse to be slaves.
And Charlie, I think it's important for the Chinese Communist Party to realize that when your government, when your regime is founded in revolutionary rhetoric, if you keep the revolutionary rhetoric along, eventually something's going to happen that people are going to be able to use it against you.
Well, there you go.
Jack, great commentary as always.
Have to have you back on soon.
Thanks so much, Jack.
Appreciate it, Charlie.
CCP Lockdown Powder Keg 00:13:29
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I do want to play a piece of tape here that we've been talking about.
It's extraordinary.
Play cut 24.
How many people were disenfranchised on 11-8 in Arizona?
Well, Bill Gates and Stephen Richards say that everything was perfect.
Actually, he said it was an extremely well-run election.
Play cut 24.
Ladies and gentlemen of the Board of Supervisors, I was a poll worker, and what I will say that I've seen is voters this cycle have, in fact, been disenfranchised because we, as poll workers, were not taught how to check out voters at our poll centers.
And then at my poll center, where we literally had at 7 p.m. on Election Day, 675 people waiting in line.
Of those 675, do you know how many came in?
150.
675 to 150.
Yet your leaders at the Maricopa County Supervisors are aggressively and incessantly telling you it was an extremely well-run election.
That's 500 disenfranchised voters that we know of at one polling place at one period of time.
It really makes you wonder how many people in the valley wanted to vote that day but couldn't.
So only 25% of the people in line ended up voting, but your leaders are telling you it's great.
You're the problem.
In fact, they wrote a whole Washington Post piece about how we are the ones that are the problem.
Josh Phillip is here from Epic Times.
He does a wonderful job.
Josh, welcome to the program.
I want to talk to you about.
I want to talk to you about China, but I feel as if we have Chinese-style elections here.
Any top-of-mind thoughts on Maricopa County?
Well, I mean, it's terrible what we're watching.
You know, the Democrats have really played an interesting game where they talk about voter access and how it's pretty much a violation of the Constitution, a serious crime if you're going to disenfranchise voters.
But then you see things like this and you wonder where they're at.
I think it's very unfortunate that what we're watching right now violates every narrative that came out before the elections, everything they used to try to criticize the idea of voter integrity.
And suddenly, when you do have problems where people go to vote and they can't vote because the systems are down, and allegedly, maybe one out of every five out of every six didn't even get to vote, you start wondering what happened and how they can even approve such a thing.
It is a legitimate, very serious concern.
In more ways than one.
All right.
So tell us, what is the latest out of China and what is the significance of it?
Well, you might have seen these large-scale protests taking place in China right now.
These are significant because this is not just about China at this point.
This is about COVID policy.
This is about lockdown policy.
This is about what gets adopted in other parts of the world.
Because, look, whether we like it or not, other countries, including the United States, have been following the China model.
The mask mandates, the vaccine mandates, the lockdown policies, the COVID passports, all of that is the China model.
And we started practicing it right here in the United States because the Chinese Communist Party was lying to the world through the medium of the World Health Organization and convinced us that somehow these are things that will actually solve the problem.
The CCP right now is in kind of an interesting state where it's facing large-scale protests of people who have had it.
They are fed up and they're not going to take it anymore.
And this is a country that has pretty much every terrible policy that we could ever, I think, be concerned could be adopted here.
They have the COVID passports full-on.
They have digital currencies full on the social credit system, cameras that look at your face and do facial recognition and even look at your facial expressions.
Every type of totalitarian policy.
And despite being in control of everything, you have large-scale protests of people who are fed up and they're not going to take it anymore.
So how does this end?
Does it end in, as Mao Zedong said, that political power comes out of the barrel of a gun?
Does it end in a lot of people getting murdered in the streets?
Or does it end in some sort of structural change?
Well, I think there's three different factors to look at.
And, you know, this is also something I'm watching.
One possible end is they could round them up and throw them in COVID camp.
The CCP right now is building massive, like city-sized concentration camps.
The video footage of this is horrifying.
There's large-scale, what look like three-story buildings, white buildings, and the size of like a small city.
They're huge, or maybe a few large suburbs combined.
That is where people are going to get thrown.
And the concerning thing is that we've seen the COVID health passes.
In China, you have on your phone the little health pass.
It'll turn red if you have to go to COVID camp.
You know, if you have to go sign up to be locked in your home or something like that, it'll turn red.
They've been turning the phones of protesters red as soon as they step out to go protest.
And so this is not for people who are having COVID.
This is about social control.
Wait, so let me get this straight.
This is very important because they'll use this playbook in America very soon.
So as soon as you go into the streets to protest, they're able to use like a digital, they're able to basically change your digital scorecard to go to the camp.
It's been happening.
Yeah, so the way these COVID health passes work in China, and keep in mind that they are the model for them in other parts of the world, is you have to scan your little code if you want to get a taxi.
They have like AI taxis.
If you want to, for example, go to a certain city, if you get off a bus or something, you have to scan your code.
People are saying they'll go to protest somewhere, they'll scan their code, and the code, their thing, will immediately turn red, meaning they have to go sign up to be, you know, involuntarily sentenced to like, let's say, house arrest or something like that.
The interesting thing that happened, though, is that in Xinjiang province, also called East Turkestan, where you have the Muslim Uyghurs, there were people who were locked inside their building.
They were under COVID lockdown.
The building caught fire and people burned to death.
And that's being taken as a sign now to the Chinese people saying, look, if we just go according to what we're told, if we just go in our houses and let them lock us or weld our doors shut, which is what they're actually doing in some places, we risk burning to death in our homes.
And that is a death I don't want to have.
They're facing, do they deal with that reality, the one being forced on them, or do they go out on the streets and protest and speak out and hope that the CCP doesn't, you know, Tiananmen Square massacre them?
They're taking option two.
They're risking now what they know the CCP might do, which is massacre them.
And for them, that is a better future than living under the forceful, endless tyranny that they're facing under COVID.
I should say COVID policies.
It's so extraordinary.
Have we ever seen anything quite like this since Tiananmen Square?
We have seen mass protests in China.
I would say we haven't seen them on this particular scale, nor have we seen them with this level of like, you know, they're actually beating up Chinese agents on the streets.
We did start to see this during the umbrella protests prior to the Hong Kong ones.
Sorry, during the, you know, they had protests around Hong Kong that kind of spread into China.
And we did see this at the beginning of COVID, but the CCP, of course, began locking things down and ended that before it could really spread.
What you're seeing now, I think, is the bubbling up of the protests they tried basically keeping down using COVID policies, and they can't keep the lid on anymore.
Now, how much does the fear of losing the mandate of heaven factor into all of this?
It factors in quite a bit, and that's where it gets concerning.
For the Chinese Communist Party, the survival of the party is the number one priority.
If it came down to launching nuclear war, they would sacrifice nine-tenths of the Chinese population if it means they could win.
That's how they view things.
They don't view things in terms of human rights or protecting the people.
The Chinese Constitution is not about defending the rights of the people, nor is the military there to protect the people.
It is to protect the party.
And there's two sides to it.
One is they're going to be looking at whether these protests spread and whether they can appease the people a little bit to shut them up, which is what they're doing to some extent in Xinjiang, although they're not fully repealing things.
The other thing is going to be watching international attention because the CCP right now is trying to push the China model.
In fact, you might have seen the video Klaus Schwab at the World Economic Forum talking about how the China model, you know, China is a role model for many countries in the world.
He's talking about the great reason and so on.
They're talking about this.
If the China model becomes something that other countries begin pushing back against because it results in, let's say, a Tiananmen Square Massacre Part II, it's going to damage decades of work by the CCP.
And so they're kind of caught in that very narrow space.
The question is now, how do they find their way out of it?
Yeah, I mean, I don't think people quite understand or grapple or grasp, I should say, with the power of superstition in Chinese Communist Party culture.
In the West, it's not something that we quite are able to fully process.
And especially how it is the party, it is the state.
It is the collective.
It is the Leviathan that matters a lot more above human dignity or the flourishing of our citizens.
It is the state that must advance overall.
Now, do you think that what is happening in China makes it more or less likely for the CCP to be aggressive towards Taiwan right now?
Interestingly, I'd say it probably makes it less aggressive, mainly because the CCP is looking pretty bad right now.
The Chinese Communist Party internally is actually very unstable.
Externally, they actually have a lot of influence.
They have a lot of influence in foreign governments.
They do leadership capture.
Journalists, academics, actors, Hollywood, leaders of different countries, they have a lot of influence there.
They also get a lot of money from foreign investment.
The outside world is, I'd say, more positive on the CCP than the Chinese people are in many ways.
That's so interesting.
So say that again.
So Western elites like the CCP more than the everyday person in Shanghai likes the CCP.
Exactly.
And it's part of the CCP's programs under the United Front.
They call it leadership capture.
Really, the power of the CCP is not internal.
The power is external.
I would say, really, Wall Street is probably propping up the Chinese Communist Party more than anything right now.
That's exactly right.
Yeah.
The CCP pays the bills for the Gulf Streams and the extra homes in Aspen and in Kenny Bunkport for the American ruling class.
And Charlie, an important point on that.
They do everything against the narratives that we're being fed.
Look, they have slave labor.
They're the worst polluters on earth.
We're being told these narratives, how we should hate the history of our country because of the history of slavery.
Many of the companies that try to criticize us as we're speaking use slave labor in China.
Organizations pushing for these Green New Deal type policies, they support these types of policies in China.
They put no regulations on them in their proposals.
They're feeding us one narrative while giving an open slate on the other side to the Chinese Communist Party.
I think we should start asking ourselves why that is, and is it really about the narratives?
It's well said.
Excellent commentary.
15 seconds, tell us about Epic Times.
Yeah, so I have a new documentary out, The Final War, which really lays out the Chinese Communist Party's plans, not just internally, but for the United States as well.
They have a 100-year plan to defeat the United States.
I've exposed it in this new documentary.
It's called The Final War.
It's well perfect.
Great.
Love Epic Times.
Josh, thanks so much.
Always a pleasure, Charlie.
Thank you.
Hey, everybody.
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I have to say, the Washington Post, Yvonne Wingett Sanchez, she's been doing a pretty good job covering what's happening in Arizona.
And obviously, it has some of the language that the Washington Post would use, but it's been accurate.
It really has been.
And so this story right here is Maricopa County says printer glitches didn't prevent anyone from voting.
A report to the Arizona Attorney General's office blames Republicans for stoking doubts about a secure alternative available to voters.
And so I read this article here.
And again, the Washington Post, they do a pretty good job just outlining the facts.
And Maricopa County blames me.
Maricopa County blames me for the issues.
And it blames you for being part of our audience.
Examples to the report include warnings to not use the box from Kelly Ward and Charlie Kirk, head of pro-Trump youth group, Turning Point USA.
First of all, Turning Point USA is an educational organization.
Turning Point Action is our political arm.
That's fine.
We were not telling people not to vote.
What we were saying is to be skeptical of putting things into drawer three or into box three.
And by the way, we were right by doing that.
We were correct because we knew it wouldn't be tabulated that day.
And there were chain of custody issues that have been proven because of that.
Now, I want to replay this piece of tape.
This is such an extraordinary piece of tape.
We played it earlier, and I want to make sure everyone heard it and you internalize it.
This is a poll worker, totally disregarded by Maricopa County, not taken seriously, who said that 675 people were in line at 7 p.m.
And only 120 ended up voting.
Play cut 24.
Ladies and gentlemen of the Board of Supervisors, I was a poll worker.
And what I will say that I've seen is voters this cycle have, in fact, been disenfranchised because we, as poll workers, were not taught how to check out voters at our poll centers.
And then at my poll center, where we literally had at 7 p.m. on election day, 675 people waiting in line.
Of those 675, do you know how many came in?
150.
675 and 150.
That is provably at one polling center.
Remember, there's 223 of them, 525 people that were disenfranchised.
525 people.
And who does Maricopa County blame?
They don't take any responsibility themselves.
They don't acknowledge or admit that they oversaw a catastrophe.
Now, somebody sent us a very smart email.
Very smart.
And I love our listeners.
They said, Charlie, when they say it went extremely well, it did go extremely well for their political purposes.
And boy, is that hard to disagree with.
It did go extremely well if you wanted to see Kerry Lake lose.
And Bill Gates did want Kerry Lake to lose.
He's on the record saying that.
I want to play one more tape here.
Play cut 26.
There were at one site in particular of someone I know, they did not separate drawer three ballots from the tabulated ballots.
That's in the tabulator.
They commingled the untabulated ballots of drawer three with the tabulated ballots.
There is no way to ever sort that and track that.
Those are lost votes.
Those are lost voices.
Lost votes.
That's a poll worker.
By the way, there are 223 polling places.
If you have an average of 500 people that left or did not show up at each one, that's over 100,000 votes, which, by the way, would explain my data projection that was somehow 100,000 votes off.
We were so confident in our data.
Maybe our data was right.
And it just so happened that 100,000 people were not able to vote because of Maricopa County.
It would explain a lot.
It would explain the lower turnout in Republican areas.
It would explain precincts that should have gone red that went blue.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
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