Why the Election Scandal in Maricopa is Even Bigger than We Thought
We all know the 2020 election was an almost unbelievable mess, but why didn’t we learn our lesson then? What happened in the most recent midterm that turned the epic Red Wave into 2020 2.0? Conservatives have to think faster and quicker, and Charlie spends the entire episode brainstorming ways to win our country back, save our elections, and fight the chaos that’s ensued since midterms. Also, a new bombshell emerges out of Maricopa County that indicates the voting machine issues that plagued election day were even more widespread that we originally believed.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Tournament of the Ballots00:02:08
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Elections have changed.
Elections are no longer what we grew up knowing them to be.
As we have said on this program for some time, it is now a contest.
It is now a tournament of ballots.
It's not about voters.
It's about ballots.
It's about finding pieces of paper and getting them in the right place within a certain time window.
Defending Democracy Against Change00:07:33
The designer of all this is a man by the name of Mark Elias.
They do this under the guise, under the excuse of democracy.
They say, well, we are a democracy.
And of course, we are not.
We are a constitutional republic.
That is why I have been and we have been so focused on getting our language and our vocabulary correct.
But they say it's all about defending democracy.
When they are talking about defending democracy, they're not talking about the traditional promise that the founding fathers had for consent to the governed or the permission of the people or separation of powers or the beauty of the United States Constitution.
No, no, they're talking about what appears to be the consent of the governed, but in reality, it is a construct, a contest.
You could call it the tournament of the ballots.
Who can get the most amount of envelopes into the taxpayer-funded dropbox?
That's what we are living through.
And the designer of it all, the architect, the grand master is Mark Elias.
Mark Elias, of course, was involved in the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2016.
He was the chief architect of Russia Gate.
Mark Elias, according to Time magazine, was the conductor.
He was the maestro of the 2020 election.
Remember that article that came up by Time magazine, the shadow campaign that won the 2020 election?
That was Mark Elias hosting weekly Zoom calls and Skype calls with union organizers and ballot harvesters and ballot capturers.
Now, in 2020, we were took completely by surprise by how they used COVID and mass mail-in voting for their own advantage.
Now, because Republican legislatures in Arizona and other states did not act, we still have that infrastructure.
We could have got rid of drop boxes.
We could have got rid of all these different sorts of things, and we didn't.
We said, let's flood the polls on election day.
Let's go to election day.
And of course, it created a traffic jam with machine malfunctions and the sabotage, the ambush, the inexplicable changes in toner issues, where some would say one out of five.
Other estimates show three out of five anywhere.
We don't know the number of issues in Maricopa County on Election Day.
And Mark Elias was chuckling in the corner because he said, our people have already have, they already have their votes put through the system.
Happening in Pima County, in Coconino County, in Maricopa County, in Fulton County, in Cobb County, all across the country, the game, the contest, the tournament of the defenders of democracy was unfolding.
And some of us, myself included, were naive enough to say, well, we could get back to this idea of Election Day voting.
We did the 2000 Mules movie, didn't we?
This is going to put them on notice.
And it didn't put them on notice.
It only empowered them to do it more, to harvest more ballots, to capture more pieces of paper, to put more of them into these drop boxes.
When we were focused on candidate quality and debates and arguments and who is going to secure the southern border and who's going to stop fentanyl, people like Katie Hobbs and John Fetterman sat at home and did digital online fundraisers to secular, godless, miserable, rich young professionals in Silicon Valley and New York that gave $2,800 apiece gleefully to fund the takeover of America via Act Blue.
And the designer of it all was Mark Elias.
When you have an entire system that is changing in front of your eyes and the Republican Party becomes the muscular class, carpenters, electricians, welders, plumbers, and police officers, it's harder to fund a political movement that way.
The Democrat Party has become the upper middle class, the party of accountants, the party of computer scientists.
So they're able to raise money a lot easier.
Act Blue raised $1.8 billion.
Win Red raised $1 billion.
And there's no reason anymore for candidates to campaign.
Why do you have to debate?
Why do you have to answer to voters?
You don't.
No, instead, you run this synthetic, artificial construct.
Here's Mark Elias on MSNBC, PlayCut 67.
Kerry Lake is saying that there is voter suppression.
They're complaining that there are long lines.
Well, you know why there are long lines?
There are long lines because the Kerry Lakes and the Republicans have been making it harder to vote in Arizona.
They're complaining that voters were disenfranchised due to voter registration laws.
You know why?
Because Kerry Lake and the Republicans have made it harder to register in Arizona.
They're claiming that ballots were thrown out due to mismatched signatures.
You know why?
Because when we sued Arizona to make signature matching more accurate and make it easier for people to cure their ballots, they opposed us.
And by the way, on the long lines point, while they're crying crocodile tears about people waiting in line for an hour or two in Maricopa County, where are they talking about the students who waited for six hours in the cold in Michigan to vote in their election?
So Mark Elias, let me ask you, why don't you mention the fact that it was Republicans that were trying to get precinct-based polling voting, and we wanted 1,000 polling places in Maricopa County, not 223.
No, we warned about this.
You knew exactly what was happening.
Mark Elias dodged the question intentionally because Mark Elias is perfectly fine with mail-in voting, ballot capturing, ballot harvesting.
He does this all under the appearance of defending democracy.
The Democrats have found their star player.
Mark Elias is the one that has created what now the Democrat Party is able to enjoy as a power base by defending voting rights.
Why do you think they've gone so in on this narrative of defending democracy, defending democracy?
Why do you think the left is so pathologically obsessed with race?
There's a lot of issues with that, obviously.
There's a lot of reasons for that.
But they couch it in civil rights language.
If they're always talking in forms of race and then with democracy, they put those two things together and you're not allowed to touch any voting changes whatsoever.
We wanted more polling places on Election Day and we were shut down.
Hey, Mark Elias, here's a question for you.
Why is it that Mark Kelly, one of your disciples, one of your people that you prop up, Mark Kelly's campaign, came in and did not want to have polling places remain open on Election Day after the lines in Maricopa County.
How is that defending democracy, Mark Elias?
How is it when Republicans wanted to have more polling places on Election Day and we were shut down for that?
It was Adrian Fontes that designed all of this.
Adrian Fontes, that is part of your entire community of the tournament of the ballots, where you got mail-in ballots going in every single direction.
Ballot harvesters and ballot capturers and shady signature verification requirements.
That's what you have designed.
And he knows it and he brags about it.
On Twitter, he says very clearly, he said this tweet, he says, because I win.
He says, I do all this because I win.
The Design Behind Voting Chaos00:02:16
The Democrats don't believe in quote-unquote democracy.
They don't even know what that means.
They don't believe in the will of the people.
They don't believe in the consent of the governed.
They don't believe in what the average everyday citizen wants.
No, no, no.
Now they have taken the Sololinsky Barack Hussein Obama Community Chicago organizing model and they've nationalized it and they've opened up the window using sophisticated voter technology, using online ability to raise money, and they mash it all together and basically they say, who cares if we run someone who can't talk, who won't debate, who's deeply unpopular?
We just got to get pieces of paper inside of a box.
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I was watching some liberal television and listening to their commentators, and they're actually, they're deeply unhappy, far more than I would have ever have imagined right now.
I mean, you'd think that, you know, they keep the Senate, they have the White House.
But no, the fact that they even lost the house and that there's still some of us that are out there that are conservatives that we will not give up.
We will not give in.
We will not surrender.
Convincing People to Stay00:15:00
It bothers them greatly.
If you watch a little bit of liberal television, if you read some of their newspapers and their publications right now, despite the fact that they had a better than expected midterm performance because they play the game and we don't, but that's going to change.
There's only one way to change it.
That if you read a lot of their blogs, you read a lot of their articles, it's as if they lost a piece of their meaning.
It's like, we lost the House of Representatives.
Doesn't matter if it's by one vote or by 20 votes.
You see, they're never going to be happy.
They're never going to stop.
They will only stop when we stop them.
We take back power from them.
It's going to take many years.
It's going to take a lot of time of convincing people.
We're going to have to play the game and legally ballot harvest and legally ballot capture.
We're going to have to be more sophisticated in our data.
We're going to have to embrace in-person early voting.
We have to no longer count on Maricopa County or Clark County or Cobb County or Fulton County to do things the right way.
We're going to have to play the game that the left has designed, that Mark Elias has designed, and we're going to beat him at that game.
No more denying it.
We're not going to change the Arizona voter laws.
Sometime soon, someone says, Charlie, nothing's going to change until we get rid of the machines in Arizona.
Well, unless that happens with Governor Doug Ducey in the next 45 days, if Katie Hobbs becomes governor, then it's just not going to change.
Now, currently, someone said, Charlie, what's the latest in Arizona?
Well, let me tell you the latest.
Arizona, in Arizona, Katie Hobbs is currently leading Kerry Lake in the governor's race by 17,116 votes.
The Democrat Chris Mays in the Attorney General's race is currently leading Abe Hamaday by 510 votes.
And they say that all ballots have now been completely counted.
It's over.
It's done is what they're saying.
But there's still some pending lawsuits.
Now, there haven't been lawsuits filed yet.
I'm being told by many people there's going to be some very good lawsuits filed soon.
And Kerry Lake gave an update on this, play cut 45.
Attorney General Mark Bernovich is taking the first steps necessary to remedy this assault on our democracy.
This isn't about Republicans or Democrats.
This is about our sacred right to vote, a right that many voters were sadly deprived of on November 8th.
Attorneys are working diligently to gather information.
Whistleblowers are coming forward and the curtain is being lifted.
Whistleblowers are coming forward and the curtain is being lifted.
I sure hope that's right.
It's going to take a very courageous judge to prevent the certification and for a revote in Maricopa County.
Very low likelihood that happens.
But that is the only remedy for what happened on election day.
The sabotage, the ambush.
They hate Kerry Lake so much that she was such a threat to them.
She is such a threat to them.
And we broadcasted our play.
We said, hey, here's how we're going to make Kerry Lake governor.
275 to 300,000 of us are going to show up on Election Day and we're going to vote in person for Kerry Lake.
And they said, okay, thanks for telling us your play.
Machine malfunctions in the most voter-rich Republican areas in the way where Kerry Lake was winning 70% of all the votes.
And by the way, one of the emails that came in our inbox yesterday that Mark Elias says doesn't exist, that the Washington Post says doesn't exist, is actually now being used as an affidavit in one of the upcoming lawsuits for Kerry Lake.
So if you guys have any of these stories, not being able to vote, not voting the way that you want, waiting in line, email us, freedom at charliekirk.com.
We want to compile them.
We can get them directly to the Kerry Lake team, freedom at charliekirk.com.
So the latest in Arizona is now that all the ballots are counted, if there is no successful legal challenge, it's Katie Hobbs, Adrian Fontes, and Chris Mays, Governor, Secretary, State, and Attorney General.
I sure hope some of these lawsuits come soon, and I sure hope they're written very, very tightly and persuasively.
Because Arizona with a Democrat Secretary, State, Attorney General, and Governor, geez.
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Larry says, Charlie, this is all your fault.
You told people to go vote on Election Day.
I blame you.
Shame on you.
Okay, look, you got to defend yourself.
Okay?
I'm not trying to belabor a point here, but you got to be very precise if you're going to attack us on this.
Okay?
I said I was going to vote on Election Day, but repeatedly we did warn on this program, and it's a learning lesson that I should have done even more and should have been more insistent that there's going to be a traffic jam on Election Day and we should entertain in-person early voting.
This is one of many clips.
This is one where I did a Salem Radio Network event in the Valley in Phoenix, Arizona, in Scottsdale, I'm sorry, trying to warn about what was coming on Election Day, PlayCut 44.
There's something I'm very worried about that all of you need to get serious about and you guys can make a difference.
How many of you plan to vote on Election Day?
Raise your hands.
Yeah, this is going to be a problem.
Maricopa County cannot facilitate all of you.
I'm telling you right now, they are creating a traffic jam, and it's going to deter conservative turnout.
So we got to fix it.
I'm telling you right now, we are going to see three, four, five, six-hour waiting lines in Maricopa County and Mesa and Goodyear and Sun City.
And unless you're ready to wait six hours to go vote, then we've got to figure this out.
So how do we figure it out?
I'm not a fan of nail-in voting at all, but in-person early voting should not be discounted unless you want to wait three or four hours a month.
I think we are going to see a traffic jam designed by Steven Richard, designed previously by Fontes, that criminal that used to be in there.
And there we are.
And so just, I wish I would have been more, I wish I would have repeated that even more and encouraged in-person early voting.
But unfortunately, everything that we predicted came true.
It's because that's how little we trust the left.
The left wanted to hold on to power so desperately.
They feared Carrie Lake.
They still do.
They fear her more than any other politician in America.
So here we are.
We're broadcasting game day, And the machines all of a sudden fail.
And they knew how.
See, what was so, in some ways, tricky about the situation is that the machines weren't counting the votes, but then Maricopa County had the perfect response in the sense of, well, just put them in box three.
What if I don't want to put them in box three?
They knew that we were going to put up a stink.
They knew that.
They had this all gamed out.
They knew that we were not going to put, we didn't want to just put it in some sort of drop three and box three.
So what ended up happening was chaos, confusion, lines, disgust, bedlam, chaos.
When I went in to go vote, as I've said repeatedly, it was just people running all over the place and no one was checking people in.
And so then you have the reddest precinct, one of the reddest precincts in all Maricopa County, Anthem.
Look at this line.
No sound.
Just look on television.
Play Cut 70.
Keep my mic on.
This is Anthem.
This is northern Maricopa County, right on the border of Yavapai.
Look at that.
That's a line and a line and a line.
Again, that was about a two and a half hour wait.
You got to imagine how many thousands of voters were disenfranchised and suppressed right there.
That's just one.
Look how that line keeps going.
Two and a half hour line because they couldn't get their act together.
So imagine the mom, imagine the single parent, imagine the plumber, imagine the construction worker.
Imagine the small business owner that just pulls into the parking lot and they see that and they say, forget it.
You know what they tell themselves?
You know, I support Kerry Lake, but, or I support Abe Homeday, but what?
My one vote doesn't matter.
Well, yeah, look, Abe Homeday is currently in the latest tally down 510 votes.
You're trying to tell me 550 conservatives didn't say that that day?
And by the way, how many people probably said, oh, Kerry Lake's probably going to win anyway?
She's up in the polls.
She said she's up 10 points.
Everyone says Kerry Lake's going to win.
I have to pick up my kids.
I have to take them back to work.
I know many of you in the audience right now say, oh, Charlie, come on.
Who would say that?
Hundreds of thousands of people would say that.
In fact, we have emails from people that say they didn't vote.
They got too busy and the lines were too long.
Right here.
Someone says here, Charlie, if I have to hear you say one more time, you warned people not to vote on game day.
I spent a year in Afghanistan as a Marine Corps machine gunner.
People can wait in long lines if they have to save their country, Chad.
Chad, you're wrong, man.
People don't do that.
They're not as dedicated as you are as a Marine.
I'm sorry.
People don't like lines.
People don't wait in lines at Culver's.
Some people don't like them at In-N-Outburger, and they don't like a two-hour line.
They're just going to, I don't need to do it.
I like Kerry Lake, I guess, but forget it.
And we know that.
We have real examples of that.
We have real evidence of that.
Now, you're a four-out of four voter, Chad.
You're an American patriot, but most people are not like you.
This audience is full of people like you, obviously.
And so when you see the lines and the lines and the lines and the lines, it starts to add up.
Let's go to another piece of tape here.
Katie Hobbs thinks she's going to be governor of Arizona.
By the way, there are four counties now that are refusing to certify the election: four: Mojave, Gila, Yavapai, and Cochise County.
Now, I don't know the specifics of this, but I do not believe Katie Hobbs can become governor of Arizona unless every single county certifies.
And these counties should not certify.
They should not certify until we get a revote in Maricopa County.
It's a very simple ask.
You disenfranchised tens of thousands, potentially hundreds of thousands of amazing people in Maricopa County.
You knew that they were going to vote on election day.
You knew they were going to show up in major numbers.
300% more Republican than Democrat.
Now, guess what?
I wouldn't be making this big of a deal of it if I wasn't lectured by you guys every day about democracy.
I'm not going to take it, and you should neither.
Every day I hear about being lectured about democracy by some sort of left-wing activists on television.
Oh, really?
What happens when democracy gets thwarted by machines?
Again, we're not a democracy.
We're a constitutional republic.
But let's pretend they mean democracy just by voting rights.
Oh, wait.
So when it's old white people in Anthem, Arizona, it doesn't matter.
Got it.
But if it's lines of black people in downtown Atlanta, we get consent decrees.
In North Carolina, they get a new election.
North Carolina, they did a whole new election.
By the way, most people, most voters are not like you.
I hope you understand this.
They're not news hawks.
They just say, I like Kerry Lake, and they show up to vote in Anthem or Wickenburg or Scottsdale.
And again, Bedlam, where I went to go vote, amazing poll workers.
God bless them.
They were working their hardest.
They were so sweet.
I went up to the machine.
They said, we don't know what we're doing here.
We call the technician literally in the morning, first thing in the morning, lines out the door, and people are running all over the place and they're screaming.
Like, this is not the way a voting center should operate.
It was designed and manufactured chaos.
So there are four counties, Gila, Mojave, Yavapai, Cochise, four conservative counties that are refusing to certify this election as it stands now.
I need to get the exact laws and get the rules, but from what I understand is Katie Hobbs cannot become governor if those states do not certify.
Play cut 61.
I think Arizonans and Americans sent a strong message to these election deniers that we're ready to move on.
But unfortunately, they are still ginning up these attacks on those responsible for our elections based on their false allegations.
And they're basically just being a sore loser.
And we cannot tolerate it.
This has to end.
And, you know, I think we survived a lot in this last election.
We helped save democracy, but it's not over.
And we have to continue to be vigilant and hold these states accountable for their dangerous political rhetoric that is causing this kind of threat.
I refuse to believe the people of Arizona voted her as governor.
It's just, I mean, you listen to her.
She doesn't debate.
She had no message.
She stayed in the basement nonstop.
And we're supposed to believe that that woman was able to win over swing voters in Arizona.
Very, very hard to believe.
Let's play another piece of tape here of what's happening in Arizona.
This is the view talking about Kerry Lake.
This is how much the media hates Carrie Lake.
Play cut 21.
Can I just dance on Kerry Lake's grave for a minute?
Because, you know, when you say.
So she went out there and she told Arizonans.
We have the clip.
Let's show it because it's so good.
We don't have any McCain Republicans in here, do we?
All right, if you want to kill the hell out.
So it turns out that when you say in Arizona to McCain Republicans, a man who was a decorated war hero, a prisoner of war, who served that state honorably for three decades, who was a mentor, who saved the affordable hair, when you tell McCain Republicans to get the hell out, they do.
And that's why you lost.
So you know what, John McCain, I hope you're having a Belvedere up there because I know you're chuckling.
They hate Carrie Lake more than any other politician in this entire cycle.
Don't Let Them Rob Your Joy00:05:19
So now let me just give an update.
So there are two counties that I think officially refuse to certify.
If certification is not received by the Secretary of State, Katie Hobbs, by December 5th, all the coaches' votes will go uncounted.
Yeah, I mean, again, that was my speculation.
Unfortunately, that would give a boost to Democrats up and down the ballot in tight state races.
And some Republican candidates got as much as 60% of the vote in the county.
Yeah.
Now, there's almost no chance whatsoever that Maricopa County doesn't certify.
Unless a judge comes in and listens to hopefully a well-filed complaint, and we see what happens.
This one says right here, Charlie, I'm so sick of hearing about this.
It's time to move on.
Carrie Lake lost.
We need more people in the mold of John McCain and Mitt Romney, not like Carrie Lake.
Is that the way you guys feel?
You think we should just move on?
I'm getting a lot of emails like that.
People say that we should just move on and it's over.
Just allow the five to six hour line or two to three hour lines to be precise to go unchecked, the machine failures, the tabulation issues.
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They wanted to make an example out of Carrie Lake.
Carrie Lake, who had a very real movement, has a very real movement in Arizona of thousands and thousands and thousands of amazing people.
Someone who is running an actual campaign, not a ballot capturing operation, but an actual campaign.
They wanted to make an example out of her.
They couldn't do it in any other way, so they had to do some sort of game.
It is very telling that the left remains in a posture of misery.
They should be celebrating, right?
It wasn't as bad as they thought it would be.
No, they're still very upset.
That's who they are.
It's their default setting.
In fact, there's Kamala Harris trying to convince us to be happy warriors.
I mean, it is so forced.
It is so contrived.
It is so fake.
As Kamala Harris tries to tell us, she's some sort of happy warrior.
We are going to win in the end as long as we do not allow them to rob us of our joy, our happiness, our peace, and our meaning.
Politics is never the ultimate objective.
It needs to be, I think, lifted and raised in the hierarchy of our focus.
But there are things that we care about much more than politics because politics for conservatives needs to always be a means to a beautiful end.
For liberals, politics is the end.
It is the control of government.
It is the suppression of the enemies.
It is the perversion of our children.
For them, politics is not an instrument to go do good.
Politics instead is to get to be able to get to the end of to control the entire society.
We reluctantly get involved in politics as conservatives.
We'd much rather grow a business or grow a family or tend to our local church.
We reluctantly get in the arena.
And by the way, that's the way it should be.
That's the way the founders designed it.
But now they're forcing us to get more involved than ever before.
But our meaning, our purpose, what the Greeks would call our telos, our teleological orientation, should not come from politics.
Look at how miserable she is.
Play this cut.
Never let anyone take your joy from you.
I call myself a joyful warrior.
Right?
Never let anyone take your joy from you.
You do what you gotta do.
And isn't that a wonderful way to live?
To know you have purpose.
Show me a miserable person pretending to be happy.
I'm so happy.
Aren't I happy?
Don't let them rob you of the joy.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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Thank you so much for listening.
God bless.
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