Who Will the Next Generation Serve? LIVE from Asheboro, North Carolina with Pastor Boyd Byerly
Charlie visits Asheboro, North Carolina to sit down with Senior Pastor Boyd Byerly, senior pastor of Sunset Avenue Church of God. In a wide ranging conversation ranging from abortion, the medical mutilation of children, protecting our children's lorckerrooms and bathrooms, and how the pandemic transformed and revealed the character of the America church. Charlie and Boyd also reflect on this powerful idea—the battle that is about to happen is not to determine who will be king, but who will the next generation serve? Also, what does Charlie believe was his WORST prediction in the history of this podcast? Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Life Changed in Fifth Grade00:03:02
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It is my conversation with Boyd Byerly, great American from Asheboro, North Carolina.
We talk about all sorts of things.
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We go.
Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campuses.
I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
I want to thank Charlie.
He's an incredible guy.
His spirit, his love of this country.
He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
Turning point USA.
We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
That's why we are here.
Welcome to our community.
Awesome.
Great to be here, everybody.
Love North Carolina.
That's awesome.
Thank you.
Great to have you.
Charlie, won't we begin on tell this group how you came to faith?
Yeah, it was the most important decision I ever made in my life.
And if there's anyone here that hasn't yet given your life to the Lord, hopefully my story will have some impact on you.
I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade, and it was the most critical decision I made.
And when I made it, I remember I somewhat understood it, but every single year, my goodness, as I got older, sixth, seventh, eighth grade high school, and now where I am today, it just grows in depth and understanding of what grace is and how, you know, how much God loves us and how we're made in his image.
And so in fifth grade, I remember my teacher kind of explained the differences of worldview, explained the need, you know, for every single person to reconcile with their creator through Jesus Christ.
And I gave my life to the Lord.
And since then, I have, you know, let's just say since fifth grade, obviously went through high school and then I started Turning Point USA.
And it's grown to be this amazing movement that it is today.
And I could tell you, you know, for everyone out there that might be challenging and wrestling, you know, of what you believe and why you believe it, it changes everything you do.
And you're born new, literally, when you give your life to the Lord.
And that's really the center of everything we do at Teep USA Faith and the center of everything that I do in my own personal capacity as a radio show host, podcaster, and activist.
Morality and the Human Soul00:07:51
It's always Jesus first.
It's the most important thing.
How does that shape your view of America and your approach to America, your faith?
Yeah, so once you give your life to the Lord, you realize that God's heart for his children is not to live in torment or tyranny or to live in any form of control.
Liberty is not man's idea.
It's God's idea.
And when we understand that in the eternal realm, it makes a little bit more sense here in the earthly realm, whether it be God delivering his chosen people from the tyranny of Pharaoh.
When we talk about civil government, we talk about the type of government we want to form.
We should always have a preference towards liberty, which is the pursuit of virtue, not just being able to do whatever you want to do whenever you want to do it.
And understanding that our country was founded by Christians, 55 out of 56 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Bible-believing church-attending Christians.
And every single one of the founding fathers, some were, Not every single one was Christian, but almost all of them were, because I think they get misrepresented in a lot of history textbooks.
But all of them believed in two things and two things that we here tonight believe in, which is that there is a God and we are not him.
And when you remove those two things from a society, then you're going to have a lot of suffering.
You know, what drives me as an American patriot, what drives me as someone who's so worried about what's happening to our country is first and foremost, understand that every single person is made in the image of God and that you have rights given to you by your creator, the right to expression, the right to create, the right to pursue virtue.
And that when we form a government, because government is necessary, because man is not angel, we're not angels, as Madison wrote in Federalist 51, that some form of government must understand that you must protect those that can't protect themselves, and that government is not the administer of rights, but it is the protector of rights.
This concept is mind-blowing when you look at the governments in world history, that the Americans got it right, and that we are the recipients of the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.
And there is a massive propaganda campaign right now trying to tell people that are Christians, oh, it doesn't matter if America falls.
It doesn't matter.
Look, I say this as humbly as I possibly can as an American.
There's never been a country like America before because we are the longest-lasting constitutional republic ever.
Why?
Because the founding fathers understood the biblical premise of a couple things.
Man is broken from within.
That's a big deal.
That means, therefore, you can't centralize power.
You must have separation of powers.
You must have checks and balances.
We have the longest-lasting constitutional republic in history because the Constitution was not written for the times.
It was written to stand the test of time.
Because people do not change, regardless of Twitter and airplanes, and faster cars and soft drinks, all this stuff.
In fact, technology makes it easier for us to be able to amplify our sin.
The founding fathers understood this, which is why the Constitution is more applicable today than any other time, not less applicable as some of the propagandists would say in the media or in academia.
And so as a Christian, I care about the least of these.
I care about people that can't protect themselves, especially in the womb.
I care about truth and biological reality as our children are being medically mutilated in front of our very eyes.
And look, we have to understand Jesus did not just say things that were true.
He is the truth.
And anytime the truth is under attack in our society at all, that should concern Christians.
We have to have a radical commitment to honesty in everything that we do.
And especially when it comes to biological norms of how we teach these things to our children.
And so it affects everything that I do.
And I tell people all the time, the most important thing that all of us as Christians can do is give our life to the Lord and spread the gospel.
The second most important thing is to make sure you can do the first thing.
Because right now we have an unprecedented persecution of the church, jailing of pastors, the silencing of religious voices.
And so it all streams from that belief that Jesus is here to, first and foremost, set us free from bondage, set us free from otherwise, would be going to eternal damnation.
And we should be trying to preserve liberty in every single way possible here in the American context.
So in light of that, in light of that, what would you say to this people here and even those that are on live stream, why it's so important not to be driven by your feelings, but to be driven by faith and truth?
Yeah, amen.
That's so important.
So look, first of all, the Bible talks about that, that if you just follow your heart, you're going to be deceived.
I'm paraphrasing, but there's repeated proverbs about.
I'm sorry?
The heart is desperately wicked.
Amen.
Yes.
And so that's not a good way to make any decision, right?
And so I hear this a lot where some people say, Charlie, I don't feel good about this candidate, or I don't feel good about this way of going through things.
And the more important question is, will that person do good or do evil?
You have to understand that in a representative government of which we have, with consent of the governed, which we have, the candidates or the office holders are conduits to decisions and a reflection of somebody's morality.
And so you should ask the question, whose morale do you want to be enforced through laws, through customs, and through public policy?
Do you want it to be the word of God that says God created man and woman and life begins at conception?
Or that there is no truth and only power and that pleasure should reign throughout the entire world.
Somebody's morality has to be implemented at some point.
And so the higher preference on this incredible preference on feelings is exactly how we get the transgender nonsense that is sweeping our country.
And if there is one issue where I just get passionate about is this satanic demonic movement that is going after our children, the most vulnerable in our society.
And, you know, I have to say, I think North Carolina was actually ahead of the curve in some ways, passing that bathroom bill.
What was it, eight years ago?
And one of the great failures of the conservative movement was not rallying to the defense of people that passed that bathroom bill here in North Carolina, because that was a good piece of legislation.
And it just got totally torpedoed by bad corporate interests.
And that was an, if I remember correctly, NCAA pulled out and it was all this other stuff.
I'm just drawing from memory on this.
But so if, so here's a good example of what happens if you follow your feelings.
Well, if an eight-year-old feels that they're a woman or feels they're a boy, should we take that seriously?
Of course not.
Because we as adults know better and we love those kids so much, we say, your feelings really don't matter.
We're not going to allow you to go into a surgical room and chop off your parts, which is happening, by the way, tens of thousands of kids across the country.
They're being administered irreversible sex change hormone therapy, Lupron, things that we don't even give rapists in certain states.
So feelings are quite honestly very irrelevant when it comes to creating public policy.
Why?
Because everyone can have different feelings in every way.
Someone may have a feeling about this and feeling about that.
You must be able to have agreed upon reason.
God gave us reason as a gift that says in Isaiah 1, let us reason together, right?
Now, we are more than just the mind.
The mind is not the whole being, right?
We have a soul as well, which I believe is actually the sovereign of our being.
And that's a Christian belief, that the soul is what eternal and the mind and the body go away.
But a lot of times, actually, feelings is driven by the flesh.
Feelings are like, well, I get really fired up.
I get really lustful.
You shouldn't make, or I get really jealous.
Instead, when you make decisions about public policy, your faith, your soul, and your mind should be what drives that.
But so, for example, if an 11-year-old comes up with a broomstick and the lid of a garbage can and says, I'm King Arthur, you say, no, you're not, actually.
Or I mean, you might play along, like, okay, that's cute, whatever.
Submitting to Authority Today00:15:38
But at the same time, do all of a sudden you say, yeah, you know what, you get a seat at the roundtable.
Of course, it's insane.
What we're doing now is we're saying, oh, you have a certain feeling because you're 13 years old.
And what it comes down to is what is true.
And that is why Christianity is the bedrock of any functioning civilization, okay?
We take this so for granted as Christians and as Americans.
Show me any other value system that has been able to create a civilization as powerful, as generous, as benevolent, as productive as Christianity has been able to create in the American context.
Never before has it happened because civilizations cannot last if they do not have truth as an anchoring principle.
If the churches remain silent and the pastor is afraid, then all of a sudden, as it says in the scriptures, people did what was ever right, what was ever right in their own eyes.
AKA moral relativism, subjectivism, which is what's reigning supreme right now in America.
You just said something, and I want to piggyback off of it, is this idea of America, who is actually in charge.
So they'll throw Romans 13 on you and go, you have to submit to anything that anybody says because they have a title.
They're governor, their president, their senator, blah, blah, blah.
So you have to do.
And they ignore the whole rest of the passage.
So our friend Rob McCoy does a great job on this, but I'm going to let you take off on that.
And let's talk about in America who is the sovereign.
Yeah, it's a great, great point.
So I'm going to tell you about the worst prediction ever made in American podcast history.
You guys ready for this?
I made the worst prediction ever.
Thank you guys who listen to my podcast and watch our show every day on Real America's Voice.
God bless you guys.
We really appreciate that.
But as a commentator and as someone that makes arguments, you got to be honest when you get things wrong.
And I got something really wrong in March of 2020.
Okay.
You guys can go back and you can look at it.
And I had this podcast title, which is basically this.
The American Church Loves Liberty.
And I was really wrong about that.
Because basically the whole premise I made is that the American church was going to resist these lockdowns, never be allowed to be called non-essential.
I thought the church was going to be marching in the streets.
I thought pastors were going to say, you know what?
No, we're not going to put up with this.
Meanwhile, you have strip clubs, liquor stores, marijuana clinics, and abortion factories open and Home Depot open.
I was so wrong.
And so I wrestled with that for a while.
And one of the scriptures that kept on getting thrown at me like a frisbee every time was Romans 13.
And I was somewhat familiar with it.
And it is the most extensive writing on politics in the New Testament written by Paul.
And I'm paraphrasing, but it says, submit to those who are in authority because God put them there for your good.
That's a fair paraphrasing or characterization.
Now, in the American framework, though, we must take a step back and ask ourselves the question, who is in authority in America?
So at the surface reading, a pastor says, well, the mayor is in authority or the city council is in authority or the...
No, no, no, no.
The founding fathers completely changed the game, where it's we, the people, that are actually in charge.
And so it's completely different.
And so every pastor that was quoting that, I have to say this lovingly, is that that was the theologically, that was theologically wrong in the American framework because instead it's the mayors, the city council, the governors who should have been submitting to us.
That's for them in the American context because the people are the sovereign.
And instead, it was used as an excuse to be able to take Easter away from us, Pentecost away from us, which resulted in the most depressed, suicidal, alcohol-addicted, and drug-addicted, and psychiatric addicted generation in history, the least religious generation in history.
I just want to paint a picture of what could have been, and you can't go back and do things, but you can correct error in the future and learn from it.
Imagine if the American church would have said, we're not doing these lockdowns.
The people are the sovereign.
I think a lot of the misery and suffering from young people that otherwise went to pornography, drugs, suicide, and hopelessness, what if the American church would have said, we're open for business, we're here to heal you, you know, by Jesus Christ, we're here to accept you.
We're here to show you compassion and love.
It could have been a revival because you know how I know this?
The churches that did open, they saw a revival happen in their doors, like this one, like Rob McCoy, like Jack Kibbs, like Steve Smotherman.
Instead, the churches became the spokesperson for the regime.
I'm saying it generally, okay?
There's some awesome pastors here tonight that I know some of you have go to great churches, but let's be honest.
The vast majority of churches coward in fear and were complicit.
That's a fact, okay?
The numbers speak for themselves.
It could have been, in my opinion, this great contrast against the regime of fear and propaganda, where all of a sudden the church could have said, look, make prudent decisions.
If you're over the age of 65, might not be the best thing to come.
Come.
But if you're 25 and you're alone, sitting in your apartment and you haven't seen anybody for 60 days, how about you come to church and meet somebody and you could find out that there is a God that loves you?
Imagine.
No, no, instead, we saw the exact opposite, right?
More fentanyl overdose than ever before, all that sort of stuff.
And I put that squarely at this: why what I'm talking about tonight, I think, is so critically important and so meaningful: is that if the church doesn't get educated on these topics, then we're very clumsy when all of a sudden the pressure and the crisis comes.
So the church acting or responding incorrectly in 2020 is because we did not do good enough legwork over the decades prior to educate the American pastors of who's the sovereign, who's actually in charge, what is tyranny.
And that's where I got it so wrong in 2020.
You see, as a political guy, I assumed that if you're in charge of a church, you have some idea of what happens when the government tells you to take freedom and liberty away.
Again, naive, foolish, young, all of that.
Boy, did I learn my lesson that most people have no idea.
In fact, the Bible speaks to this, right?
So the question that some of us should ask is: should people, do people want to be free?
Maybe.
Yeah, that's a question, right?
So sometimes.
So it depends on the context, depends on their upbringing.
It depends on a lot of different things.
So I don't think there's a right or wrong answer, but let's, I think that freedom is a value.
And if freedom is not properly taught, people forget it.
So let me give you an example, right?
So God delivers his chosen people from Egypt.
They're out in the wilderness, right?
They're there for like, I don't know, half a month, 30 days, and they start complaining.
This is biblical, right?
And they start saying, wait, what's going on here?
Remember, God, what did he do?
He flew quail off course, mana from heaven.
They have well-fed.
They do not need or want for anything.
They start complaining.
Who's this Moses guy?
What's going on here?
They said, quote, we want to go back to Egypt because at least we had meat.
What they were saying is we'd rather be slaves and eat well.
Yep.
So do people want to be free?
I think it's a tension.
I do.
I think that deep down there is a soul that wants to be free of eternal damnation, but our flesh that sometimes dominates our soul because we allow it to suppresses that.
And it happens far too often.
And so in 2020, I came to the conclusion: if you do not teach liberty as a value, then all of a sudden people are not going to demand it.
And so that's where the church has come in.
If the church is not teaching liberty as a value or freedom as a value, who's going to actually end up demanding that they would rather have free stuff, they live in a state of fear and they'd rather be controlled.
And so I don't think there's an easy answer.
Do people want to be free or not?
But generally, the lesson that I saw is that if you do not teach people what it means to be free and that pursuit of freedom, their result inclination is to sit out, sit at home and do nothing.
When you think about it, that's the flesh speaking.
And that's what dominated in the year 2020 and 2021.
Only the church can fix that.
You know, Peter was pretty close to Jesus, I think.
Peter?
Yeah.
Yeah, I would say so.
And he said, if we submit to those in authority, it's because they punish evil and they honor those who do good.
And I think as soon as we see people that are in authority that do not punish evil, then we know God didn't set them up.
Amen.
And I mean, it says in Psalm 97:10, if you love God, you must hate evil.
Oh, okay.
Hate evil.
I'll just reemphasize that.
Not people.
I was blessed with a few pastors ago, some of them were in here.
We went to Israel, and your good friend, pastor friend Rob McCoy, was with us.
We were standing over the valley of Elah where David fights Goliath.
And Rob McCoy makes a statement that literally has rocked my world.
Rob's statement was this.
The battle that is about to happen in this valley is not to determine who would be king, but who the next generation would serve.
Who was going to be king was already established.
God had already anointed David.
The battle was raging on who the next generation would serve.
So what I want you to do is talk to this.
You're all of 29, I think now.
You just had a birthday.
Happy birthday.
Thank you.
You're so, young.
But God has given you unique status in our nation.
Thank you.
And so would you talk to this group why it's so important that the fight that we're fighting is not to establish who's going to be king.
Jesus is king.
But who is the next generation going to serve in America?
Yeah, that's rule the whole ballgame, isn't it?
So I visit college campuses, so you don't have to.
And you're welcome, by the way.
And if you want hope, go look at the work our campus division is doing at Turning Point USA.
It's unbelievable what these kids have to go through every single day.
The bullying, the harassment, the physical intimidation.
They are fighting for truth.
They're fighting for America.
They're fighting for liberty.
They're fighting for freedom.
They're fighting for the Constitution.
When it's more difficult than ever, tomorrow night, I'll be speaking at UNCC Charlotte.
So that will be quite fun and interesting.
I'm sure they're already protesting, is what I'm told.
So, yeah, so I asked the question because it's about the next generation, right?
And so sometimes when I have extra time on my hands, which is, you know, never, but, you know, we keep a pretty fast pace.
But I always try to make time sometime during the semester, I've done this for the last two semesters, to set up a card table in the middle of the quad on a college campus and talk to kids and learn and listen and see.
And we film it too.
And some of you have probably seen those videos online, and they could be rather entertaining and fun, but they actually are very informative.
You could see where a generation is and what they believe morally.
And this is such a clear call for the church, and I'll tell you why in a second.
So recently I went to the University of Texas, Austin.
You might think it's conservative there.
It's not.
Austin is the opposite of conservative.
It is like Bolshevik Marxist USA, right?
So set up a card table, was there for two hours.
I did the same back in the spring at Berkeley.
I've been doing this for years, talking to kids.
And there has been a noticeable change in the philosophical and the moral approach of these kids.
And even the last five years, I've been doing it for 10 years.
The last five, I can start to see this.
And it's more, by the way, than just seeing a kid come up and ask a question at an event.
I'm talking about face-to-face.
You're talking to kids.
You're getting into ideas, which is it's this question of service.
Who are they serving and who do they have a duty to?
And without every single kid that is on the left, every single one believes they have a service to themselves and a duty to themselves.
And there is nothing else besides that.
That is it.
There is no service to God or to country.
There is no service to an ideal or to truth or to goodness or beauty.
In fact, it goes right down to, and they will repeat it time and time again.
And I have a heart for these people because they're in torment and misery because of this belief, is that I will say, well, you know, what about truth?
And they say, do you mean your truth or my truth?
And that right there is exactly what Satan would love to do to an entire generation.
And you could see them.
They say, well, you have your own truth as a white, cisgendered, heteronormative, colonialist American male.
And I have my truth as a black lesbian in a wheelchair, whatever it is, right?
Whatever sort of oppressed group that they want to claim.
And because it's kind of the oppression Olympics, that's the way it works on college campuses, right?
You keep score, and whoever's the most oppressed wins.
They get the gold medal.
And whoever's the least oppressed, I guess me, has to sit down and shut up, racist.
Like, okay, great.
And so, but it gets down to this question, which is what is true?
And this is where it drives me nuts when pastors are silent about this.
Every one of the political issues you see, every one of these things on the news is an outgrowth of whether or not we can get the question of is there truth or is there just power and pleasure and your opinion?
That's it.
Christianity makes a very bold claim.
It's the boldest claim of any religion on the planet because it's true.
There is a truth.
It's Jesus Christ and he is the way and the life and that is the only way to salvation.
That's a big claim.
Liar, a lunatic.
And other religions are a little bit more broad, right?
Buddhism, Taoists, oh, you know, you're just kind of a spirit and you reincarnate and there's many ways to get to nirvana or enlightenment.
No, no, Christianity is very clear.
The path is narrow, right?
And so from a civilizational context, the outgrowth is then, therefore, there are things that are true in harmony in the natural law.
And the natural law is designed by the Creator for us to be able to flourish.
If we follow the natural law, we're able to get closer to him and how he wants us to live.
When we disobey the natural law, we pay a price, okay?
The best example of the natural law that to explain to a kid is the Ten Commandments, okay?
Don't steal, don't cheat, don't murder, don't lie, don't covet, honor your mother and father so may live long in the land of which you're in, right?
Like we could go through the list, but essentially, the natural law is there to actually allow us to be able to break through our sinful nature, hopefully grow closer to him, obviously always falling short, but it's a way to live.
These students, though, who do they serve?
Basically, they're saying, I want to only serve myself.
I'm the most important thing in the world.
And that's exactly why they're killing themselves more than any other generation in the history of the world.
I hate to be so cruel and graphic, but if a generation is only thinking about themselves, well, then once things get bad, why not just turn the lights off?
And that's what they're doing.
It is by far the most suicidal generation ever, most depressed, most drug addicted, because it's so inward facing.
Where Christianity changes the game on your narcissistic, hedonistic nature.
It changes the game where it's about doing good for God, where it's service to the Lord, right?
It's spreading the good news.
And therefore, when you have a tough day, if you're tired and you're not feeling the best, you have to remind yourself it's not all about me.
Now, one of the ways that we've been able to break through this in generations past is like, okay, they're narcissistic when they're young, but once you start to get married and have kids, by definition, you have to start to serve others, right?
You realize it's really not all about you.
And we just had a baby girl eight weeks ago, which we're really thrilled about.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And you learn really quick it's not all about you, right?
But it's the least married generation with the least children ever in the history.
Of course, it all makes sense, right?
It's about me.
And by the way, how is that any different than the abortion argument?
Separation of Church and State00:11:31
It's my choice.
I should be able to terminate another being because I'm the most important thing ever.
But when you invert the moral paradigm and you say, actually, that being is the same as you, you're both equal in the eyes of God.
Just because you're stronger and bigger, not in the womb, doesn't mean you have a moral right to obliterate that being.
Because it's not all about you, actually.
So who are they going to serve?
That's the question.
And if the church remains silent, this generation will serve themselves and serve Satan.
If the church rises up, they'll serve God for good and serve Jesus for the kingdom.
That's the question I have to say.
Amen.
Amen.
So in light of all of this that's brewing, obviously everyone is always telling us, well, the church, separation of church and state, and the church should not be involved in politics.
And a pastor should never preach politics, even though we've seen, especially on one side, they will actually get in the pulpit.
But that's another story.
Let me stay away from them.
Why is it so important for pastors and church people to get involved and to make a difference in our communities and not to sit on the sideline and just hope it gets better?
So a couple thoughts.
First, the Bible commands us to do it.
Jeremiah 29, 7, demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.
Daniel, Esther, Mordecai, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, and others were all counselors to secular government for God's purpose.
So unless you want to remove every single one of those people that cared about the government, cared about the political implications, then you're not on good theological standing for people that say that.
Zechariah 8, 16 and 17, direct orders demand justice, demand love in my name.
I'm paraphrasing the scripture, but there's direct orders to what to do politically.
But I do want to zero in on something you said about separation of church and state.
It's one of the great big lies in American Christianity.
Let's first talk about where that came from.
It was a single letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Convention.
One letter, not in the Federalist Papers, not in the Constitution, not in the Declaration, not in any of our founding documents.
But what did that letter actually say?
So the letter was actually a very interesting letter.
The Danbury Baptist Convention was increasingly worried that the Massachusetts state government was going to come after them.
So he was saying, don't worry, the government won't come after you because we're keeping them separate.
It's the opposite.
It was saying the government won't come after the church.
Now, that single letter was then misapplied to a series of court decisions made in the 1950s and 60s by the Warren Court and the Burger Court, the two worst courts in the last 100 years in American history, where they took the Ten Commandments away, prayer in schools, all of this, where they misapply this in a court decision saying separation of church and state.
Again, it's nowhere in our founding documents.
But then let's pretend it was.
Let's take the enemy at their word.
Let's pretend that we do have separation of church and state.
Then why on earth were they allowed to use the government to shut down churches during the pandemic?
I thought it was separation of church and state.
Oh, it's not separation of church and state.
It's Christians aren't allowed to get involved in government.
And we use the camouflage term of separation of church and state.
They've never believed that, okay?
Instead, they're trying to keep the church controlled.
They're trying to make it that Christians are not salt and light.
And this is where people say Christians shouldn't get involved in politics.
Christians should get involved in everything.
We should get involved in sports.
We should get involved in music.
We should get involved in business, get involved in industry.
Everyone has gifts.
And if someone's like, I'm a church-going Christian, I want to run for office.
God bless you.
We should support that person.
They're like, oh, they say politics is messy.
Everything is messy, man.
You're dealing with broken creatures.
The church is messy too, by the way, okay?
You're dealing with broken beings.
And so anyway, back to the idea of separation of church and state.
It's a huge lie.
We have to push back against it.
Since the founding of America, the founders had trust in a constitutional style government because they always thought the church would be the counselor to the king.
Not the king, but the counselor to the king.
So that's why they didn't have to build it into any of the outward mechanisms.
But by the way, every single one of the separation of powers, checks, and balances, independent judiciary, they're all Christian.
They're all biblical.
For example, Isaiah 33, 22, I might be off.
It might be 22, 33.
I might be dyslexic.
But anyway, so offer me some forgiveness there.
But it basically says God is the king.
He's the interpreter of laws.
He's the maker of laws.
I wonder where that is.
Oh, you mean the executive branch, the judicial branch, the legislative branch?
And the founding fathers wrote in the Federalist Papers, only God should have the power of those three branches.
So they made it intentional to separate those three.
First government in human history ever do that.
Consent to the governed, right, comes right out of Isaiah as well.
Independent judiciary comes right out of Leviticus, right?
So everyone, and by the way, people that, you want to know how awesome the founding fathers were?
They put Leviticus on the liberty bell, okay?
Leviticus, not Proverbs, not John, Leviticus, okay?
Let liberty reign throughout the land that you are in, or proclaim liberty throughout the land of which you are in.
And so, look, it offends the secular left when I say this.
I'm going to say it slowly and intentionally and repeatedly.
America was founded by Christians and was a Christian country once.
I still think we are as far as our body politic, and we should be unafraid of owning the fact.
And here's the only question you should ask: the secularist: if America was not Christian, do you think we would have ever founded the country the way we did?
And it's not even an answer of no.
It's no way.
Only Christians taught by George Whitfield, Jonathan Edwards, Jonathan Mayhew, the Black Robe Regiment, 40,000 open-air sermons that led into 1776.
Only Christians would have had the courage, would have had the vision to be able to say, We get our rights from God, not King George.
Absolutely.
Where's my daughter, Danielle?
She's back in the booth.
Today happens to be her birthday.
Oh, happy birthday.
But I want to lead into something because I think we as Christians, we lose our arguments so many times because we're not willing to tell our stories.
So my wife's on the front row, when she was carrying her, she was told to abort her.
And so we had to have a discussion.
The doctor said she's not going to be right.
And so we had a discussion and said, whatever it is, we're going to put it in God's hands and we're going to trust.
So here we are, 28 years later, and her only problem is she's a barley.
And that's her biggest problem.
But sadly, the church, when it comes to things like abortion and other things like that, we fail to tell our story.
And so we let them dictate to us how to tell it.
So what would you say to the church about it's time to stand up and tell the story that needs to be told?
Yeah, I mean, amen.
What if Jesus was aborted?
I mean, that's a pretty simple story, right?
I mean, Jesus came into this world into a womb and was developed.
Was he not human when he was developing?
Of course he was.
Divine and human.
And so, but to answer, also, I just want to make a side point on that.
I hear stories all the time, and I don't know the date on this.
I'll look into it.
I'm sure it's really hard to measure.
All the time of parents that were told by OBs that there were going to be all these complications with their kids.
By the way, who cares if there's complications?
That is not reason to terminate your child, okay?
And by, and the media is so sick.
They're so sick.
If you ever want to see how sick the media is, go look up Iceland Down syndrome abortion.
Just type in those words.
And they brag about how Iceland has basically abolished Down syndrome through genetic sex, genetic selective abortion.
They test for it and they all but mandate it.
I don't know if they do or not, but they basically have made it such a pressure campaign that these people are a drain on society.
Now, interestingly enough, I had an atheist come up to an event last week at Kansas City and I asked him, I said, what would the atheist argument against terminating Down syndrome babies be?
And there is no atheistic argument, right?
It's actually in their viewpoint, you might as well get rid of them because they're parasites, right?
They can't perform on their own.
They can't produce their own food.
You might as well get rid of them.
Only a Christian country would say, no, those are beautiful gifts from God, worthy of our protection, no matter what, because you could judge a country based on what they do as strength.
Okay?
Every country has strength.
You have to have power.
We as humans operate in hierarchies, okay?
You're going to have people bigger than others.
You're going to have people stronger, people smarter.
The question is, what do you do once you're at the top of a hierarchy?
Okay.
This idea that communists have that.
And we're going to get rid of hierarchies.
Like that's stamotic.
It's stupid.
It's never going to happen.
Okay.
It's a lie from the pit of hell.
So you're going to have hierarchies.
A Christian country uses strength to protect the weak.
A non-Christian country uses strength to crush the weak.
That's it.
And so, by the way, if through an atheistic construct, what would be the argument to protecting the weak?
There is none.
That is why Stalin killed 40 million people and Mao killed 30 million people.
That's why they have Down syndrome abortions in Iceland because they're just parasites.
Get rid of them.
You get eugenics very quickly through that kind of construct.
Okay, but to tell the stories, I just want to say it happens so often when parents come up to me and they said, ROB said, all that, dah.
And it's really, I wonder.
I bet there's, I bet there's, I mean, this is just a guess, tens of thousands of abortions every single year on testing flaws.
In fact, there was a New York Times article a year and a half ago that said that I might get my terms on prenatal genetic testing actually has a margin of error between 10 to 15 percent, something like that.
So you just think about that.
Like, wow, that's a pretty big deal of people that are getting bad information and then making abortion decisions after that.
Okay, but to answer your question, look, I'm enthusiastically pro-life.
I don't care what people call me.
I invite the disagreement.
I invite the arguments about it.
And I think it just is a question of the American church.
What is your stomach for the tough fights, right?
Life begins at conception, period.
We have to defend it regardless of what community you're in, regardless of where you are in the country.
All life is precious and sacred.
And the church should be the loudest on this.
And of course, I always say this.
We also should be expanding our services and our charitable endeavors to be able to make sure that people are warmly accepted when they have children.
They say, oh, unwanted pregnancy, that's nonsense.
There's such a thing as an unwanted pregnancy.
There is no such thing.
There's 2 million people on the adoption waiting list in America, and there's a million abortions every single year.
So there's two times the amount of families that want to adopt right now than abortions that happen every single year.
There's no such thing as an unwanted pregnancy.
And by the way, if your pastor remains silent after the reversal of Roe versus Wade, I say this lovingly, you should challenge that pastor.
And if they do not repent or acknowledge that, you got to find a new pastor because the repeal of Roe versus Wade was one of the great victories for the natural law.
And just to give you an example, 30,000 babies in Texas since the repeal of Roe versus Wade are living today.
Thanks to the repeal of Roe versus Wade.
30,000.
Hallelujah.
Awesome.
Let's change a little bit.
Is College Really a Scam00:07:47
I'm a former public school teacher.
I know you love education.
And in our rural areas, we're still pretty fortunate.
Our elementary, middle, and high school are still doing a great job.
We have some strong, moral, godly teachers, educators, even our, well, we got a few woke ones, but I mean, it's not often.
Our community college does an incredible job in preparing many to go right into the workforce and vocational specialized skills.
However, the national university system is pretty much bankrupt morally.
And so we send our kids there because we have convinced everybody you got to have this university degree.
And then they come back to us a lot of times against everything we've taught.
So as a very, young man that's willing to go on these college campuses and converse with them and challenge and debate these universities, what would you say to the teachers and administrators on our rural areas that still are strong Christians and still strong morals, even if they aren't Christians, still have strong morality.
What would you say to these teachers, homeschool teachers, private school, our charter schools?
What would you say to them as it relates to what you're seeing coming down the pipe from a national level?
Well, first, God bless you for being a teacher and standing for truth.
It's so incredible.
We don't have enough of it.
It's really important.
And I get attacked by the media as being anti-education.
That's not true.
I'm very, obviously very pro-education.
I love reading, love learning.
That's why I'm against college, by the way, for most people, because learning is not happening at most universities.
They're not.
And I say that as someone who has visited over 150 colleges.
We have a very big presence.
Now, I don't want to generalize, okay?
I would say this: most young people should not be going to college.
Some should, okay?
If you want to be a doctor or a lawyer or an accountant, graduate as quickly as possible and get your degree and hope they don't indoctrinate you.
But the vast majority of people that go into college, the numbers show us this.
First of this, 41% of people that go to college drop out.
41%.
Now, boy, if you and I went out into the restaurant locally here, I said, and I asked you how it was, she said, food is great, but you had a 41% chance getting food poisoning.
I'd say, yeah, I don't think that restaurant should remain open.
That's the American college system.
41% of people that enter are poor with no degree after they enroll and they spend all that money and all that time and all of that.
So that should be the first wake-up call.
The second wake-up call is that the vast majority of people that, if they end up graduating at all, and if they get a job, they find jobs that do not require college degrees at all.
They'll end up actually going into jobs that have no requirement for a college degree.
And by the way, all of that to say, and I wrote a whole book on this called The College Scam.
I think we have some copies out in the lobby.
It's the most detailed book I've ever written.
Okay.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
You guys can, for a gift of any amount, you guys can get the book.
We have it out there.
I think the team is really fast.
You got a great AV team here.
I got to tell you.
They're wonderful.
Give them a job.
Yeah, I'm going to shout out.
That was really impressive.
That was slick.
So if you've got, afterwards, you guys can go up to the booth, donation of any amount.
You guys get our great reset book, Response to the Great Reset, Christian Response Great Reset, also the College Scam.
Five bucks, two bucks, one dollar, twenty dollars, thirty dollars.
I just want you to have the book.
I think it's super important for kids and grandkids.
35 pages of footnotes I put into this book.
I spent five years on it because it's not a topic I tread lightly.
And anyone that was a skeptic that reads the book, they don't agree with all of it.
They say, you make a pretty detailed case.
And I have to say, we do.
And I go through it every single way.
But let me focus on one that I think will really challenge parents here because I could talk about the financial aspect of the political.
But if you want your child to have a high likelihood of becoming an atheist, send them to college.
They are evangelistic atheists on campuses.
It is a morality and an ideology of hedonism, of pleasure seeking.
And you might say, well, my kid is not going to fall victim to that.
Okay, then I'm glad you're that confident.
But I meet a lot of people, right?
Just this last weekend, I think I did a picture.
How long was that picture line?
4,000 people.
I think I stood there for three hours.
It was great.
But I'd say probably 40 or 50 people come up to me and they're awesome.
And they say, Charlie, I love the show.
Listen to you, blah, blah, blah.
I say, but I have a problem.
And I know what they're going to say before they say it.
And they say, my kids don't share my values.
And I always answer the same way.
Where did they go to college?
Right?
And they say they went to this school.
And by the way, there's no rhyme or reason, private, public, state, it doesn't matter, right?
Now, there are some exceptions.
Hillsdale College is awesome.
Marinantha Baptist is great.
There's a couple of good ones, but they're few and far in between.
And so you have to, everything in life is a risk, okay?
We all know that.
But you must be realistic that when you send your kid maybe to Duke or you send your kid to Wake Forest or you send your kid to App State or you send your kid to NC State, that you're playing Russian roulette with their values and that they might come back with some completely different worldview that very well might be irreversible.
And that you say, well, Charlie, then what?
What do I do?
Because my kid needs to have a flourishing career.
Well, that's why the financial argument I make in the book is so important, right?
Which is that you would be shocked to learn they actually don't need that piece of paper as much as you think they need that piece of paper, okay?
Let's just go through the facts.
We have a shortage of plumbers, electricians, carpenters, and welders in our country, a mass shortage.
We need more entrepreneurs.
We need more people in the muscular class in our country and less people studying North African lesbian poetry and learning about and learning about whatever it is they learn in postmodern philosophy.
I think that says it will.
Thank you.
So everything in life is a risk.
I try to have some nuance when I talk about this.
I do believe college is a scam.
If you have an exceptional young person in your life and you're like, I want to be an accountant more than anything else.
Now, if they're on fire at age 17 to be an accountant, okay.
They must really love numbers.
But that's great.
If they want to be a doctor or a lawyer, whatever, they have a passion for something, then find them a school that can be cost affordable, hopefully not as woke.
Keep your eyes on them.
Get them involved with the Turning Point Chapter.
We're happy to assist them.
I totally understand that.
But here's the worst thing.
If you have a 17 or 18 year old that was like how I was in high school, that didn't get into their dream school and they don't have a good reason to go.
Have them do a gap year.
I've taken a gap year.
I'm now on my 11th gap year.
It's awesome.
It's great.
And here's the thing.
You've got to understand, though, that you are going to be treated differently if you don't get the piece of paper.
And if there's one thing I try to do in my career, there's one thing I try to do in my book, is I try to be a shield.
I try to be a reference point for every person that is called dumb and stupid for not having the piece of paper.
It is so culturally wrong.
It is evil the way we treat people that don't go to college.
We treat them as dumb and stupid and that they're not as enlightened.
And if there's one thing I could do, I would love to be just one person where they can say, well, Charlie didn't go and he's done something in his life.
I would love to be a stand-in in that way and hopefully a role model for some kid out there that has a dream to start a business or to do something because I still get it.
People come up and say, well, Charlie, when are you going to go back to school?
And you could really accomplish something in your life.
It's like baked in, right?
It's like an expectation.
It's like, once you get the piece of paper, I'll take you seriously.
And that's fine.
You know, I'll take it in stride.
But it really is a structural problem in our country.
I'll close with this kind of topic on this, which is one of the reasons America is increasingly less free, more depressed, less religious, less Christian, and less happy in all these regards is because of college.
Let me say something from a church perspective.
And everybody in here may, you pastors may already be doing it.
The Woke Narrative Explained00:15:40
But I got convicted, I think it was two years ago.
We recognize our graduates.
So high school graduates, we should.
And then we would recognize our college graduates.
And all of a sudden, one year it hit me, you know who I wasn't recognizing?
The kid that four years ago went to work.
I wasn't honoring him.
I wasn't saying, hey, you became a police officer.
You became a fireman.
You did this, this, and this.
And so we changed here at Sunset Avenue to say, if four years ago you did X, Y, and Z, we're going to celebrate you too.
Let's talk a little bit about the narrative that drives us a lot.
And obviously, we're driven so much by the national narrative.
And many times we don't even know our local narrative.
And I'll give you an example.
When the defund the police hit, and the accusation was that our police officers were hunting black individuals and killing people, we had some people here protesting and made our police officers stay up, you know, and not be on their routine and away from their families.
And so I would ask people this question.
When was the last time in Asheboro a policeman shot a black man?
And nobody could answer.
Going back 60 years, and the answer is zero.
But we're driven by the national narrative, and nobody asks our narrative in our local area.
So what would you say to rural America about not getting caught up in these national brouhahas that don't mean anything and bringing it into our and then punishing our own policemen and making them feel like they're not worthy in other areas?
Well, I might get you in trouble for this, so I apologize in advance, but okay, good.
So look, I hate talking about race.
I do.
I hate it because I don't think race matters at all.
I think it's, I think I hate the whole conversation around it.
But I have to say this next part that might get me in trouble.
There is a deliberate and venomous anti-white campaign in our country, and it drives me crazy, and we shouldn't put up with it.
It is evil from the pit of hell when they're going out on television saying whiteness this and whiteness that.
It would be wrong if you replaced any other race.
So my message to rural America in just that regard, which is overwhelmingly white, is you shouldn't put up with it.
It is racism.
It is wrong.
It is bigotry.
It's being taught in our schools.
And so just, I had to say that, and the media is nuts when I talk about anti-whiteness.
It's true.
It exists institutionally in more ways than one.
Okay, so let me ask, answer one part of it, which is really interesting.
So there was a public opinion poll where they asked, how many unarmed black men do you think are killed by police nationally every single year?
And by the police, you know, by the people that self-identify as liberal would say, oh, 1,000, 1,800, 1,500, 2,000, 5,000, right?
It's 11 to 14.
It's somewhere between that, depending how someone shouted out the answer preemptively.
But it's about 12, okay?
12 people.
And by the way, out of those 12 examples, some are pretty questionable.
Like they were trying to run over a police officer in their car.
They were grabbing for the weapon, right?
They had something that looked identical to a gun.
It was a toy gun, but all sorts of stuff.
So you're talking, let's just pretend the number is 15.
So with 300 million police encounters in our country every single year, we're tearing ourselves apart for 15 incidents.
How often do you hear that on television?
No, it's because, and this is one of my big things with churches and pastors, is not only did we lock down in 2020, but once Floyd de Palooza started and we decided to burn everything down and we decided to rip ourselves apart under the bitter lie from the pit of hell that America is systemically racist, when in reality, we're the least racist country ever to exist in the history of the world.
And we are the best to each other, regardless of race, and we get no credit for that.
Go travel to Brazil.
You want to go see racism?
Go to Europe, okay?
Go talk to someone from France or Italy or Greece or Eastern Europe.
I mean, their ideas of race are completely, go talk to someone from Japan.
We are the least racist country ever to exist.
So I hold the line really firmly on that.
And I think I wish the church would as well.
And the churches are doing, we need to do racial reconciliation.
What are you talking about?
How about you just spend like, I don't know, half hour on like how black fathers need to get back in the home before you start preaching to white people about racial reconciliation?
Like, oh, no, well, we're really institutionally racist and we don't realize it.
How?
How are we systemically racist exactly?
We have an entire month dedicated to blackness.
We have affirmative action hiring quotas.
United Airlines says they want to have 50% of their new pilots to be black.
Anyway, the whole point is that this is a campaign nonstop around an anti-whiteness regime, which is racism.
We shouldn't put up with it.
I want to get back to a colorblind America and you should too.
I think that is an ideal.
I think it's a Christian ideal.
I don't care about your race and no pastor should either.
So the narrative that we come up with should be the one that is true, not the one that is being driven by an evil regime that says, hey, okay.
Let's do a little wokeism before we quit.
A little wokeism.
And then we have some questions.
Let me do an example in this fellowship.
Twenty-man in our fellowship is fighting cancer.
Okay.
And he went to a local university hospital, not local as in the county, but in the region.
And the doctor ordered a pregnancy test for him.
True.
He caught it.
He challenged it.
As far as we know, they didn't have the test.
He did say to the doctor, you know, in every class, somebody has to be last.
And I'm assuming in your class, it was you.
Here's my point.
I want to talk about the impact of wokeism throughout our culture.
Because in this case, had they run the test, it would have affected his deductible and affected his insurance.
He would have paid for it.
We fought, you brought the so-called bathroom bill.
So because we stood up, it did cost us.
The NBA didn't bring their all-star game, which is a terrible game anyway, so it was all right.
Men competing in women's sports.
Wokeism is costing us.
President Biden, I think, today said that states should not be allowed to ban mutilating our children.
Now, they twist it and call it gender-affirming care.
So from your perspective, you're on the cutting edge of this.
To rule America, what would you say?
How is wokeism impacting us daily?
And why and how should we stand up to these evils?
Yeah, I mean, this is the whole ballgame.
If there's kind of one topic we've created a movement against, and I think that we're more better positioned to talk about, it's this topic.
We're well read on it.
We're well researched, and we fight hard against it.
So let me tell you what, where does this term woke come from?
I'm sure a lot of you probably wonder that, like, what the heck does this mean?
Let me kind of actually give you a little background.
Maybe you already know.
So let's go back to Karl Marx, right?
Karl Marx believed that there was economic struggle in society, bourgeoisie versus the proletariat, business owners versus labor, right?
That there was always tension economically.
Okay, so he built the entire communist manifesto around this.
Obviously, Das Kapital, it was applied in the Soviet Union, not really, but it started a lot of communist movements in the 1900s.
Fast forward, there was a very sliver radical group of revolutionaries at what was called the Frankfurt School in Germany.
They were Marxists.
They were communists.
They defected from Germany and came to America.
One of them, the leader of this school, was a guy by the name of Herbert Marcuse, came to America, and he wanted to start a communist revolution here in America.
But he started to look and saw in America that there was a flourishing middle class, that actually normal everyday people were getting their, they were seeing their lives and their incomes improve over a period of time, and that communism and Marxism kind of falls flat because people's standard of living was increasing.
He also noted, by the way, that the American pastors weren't putting up with communism.
It was very interesting.
Marcuse came here and he basically said, Billy Graham won't put up with our revolution.
Boy, have times changed, haven't they?
So he devised a new construct, okay?
And he wasn't the only one that did this, but he really was the pioneer.
So he took Marx's economic theory of conflict, rich people or business owners versus employees.
And he said, why can't we apply this to other parts of society?
For example, women against men.
Men are really on top, just like the business owners are, and then women are being suppressed or oppressed, right?
But then the one that really kind of caught fire was he said, we're going to start a Marxist revolution, not with the women that might work, not with business owners, no, but with blacks.
And he said, the way we're going to do this is we're going to bring back all the racial tension and argue that there is a framework of which the entire society is designed, and it's not the bourgeoisie versus the proletariat, but it's white versus black.
And that whether no matter how hard you try, there is systemic and institutional racism in every corner, all throughout society, and there's nothing you could do to get rid of it except be enlightened or realize awokened, awoke to the systemic injustices around you.
That's where that term comes from.
He says that you are now seeing things through the prism.
You are woke to that you and me sitting here is some sort of a colonialist white supremacist exercise, right?
And by the way, you go read their literature in the book One Dimensional Man, which is satanic and demonic.
I don't use that word lightly.
Herbert Marcuse writes about how everyone has their own truth, how there is no truth, there is no agreed upon principles for society, all this stuff.
He had a couple disciples, Michelle Foucault and Jacques Derrida.
Anyway, this thing was a fringe ideology in the universities, okay?
Then Derek Bell writes intro to critical race theory in the 1990s.
And then basically this populated up very slowly and quietly into the highest levels of the academy, where then in the early 2000s, post-Occupy Wall Street, because they tried a Marxist revolution in this country with Occupy Wall Street, and it failed terribly.
Remember, Occupy Wall Street, you know, tax the rich, take money away.
It just didn't work.
It turns out people like their middle-income jobs and they like the, they're like, I don't know, but we want to get rid of our system.
But with race, they found something that they could pinpoint: white guilt.
They found an entire population that was unnecessarily guilty for their melanin content because they were told to be.
And they seized on it.
So this movement that started in the 60s by Herbert Marcuse was implemented immediately.
And white America was either silent and afraid or complicit and partners in it, where they're like, well, I don't want to be one of the non-white allies in this.
And so this idea, let me just define terms.
If you guys want to know the best way to define critical race theory, it's this.
You're going to find all your friends.
Critical race theory is calling everything racist until you control it.
That's critical race theory.
It's not about liberation, it's about control.
Like the military call everything racist and now they control the military.
Like Wall Street, call everything racist, now they control Wall Street.
You get the point, right?
Now, this idea of wokeism has now become kind of a basket catch-all term for the other kind of tributary cousins of Herbert Marcuse's 1960s insidious ideology of since we now think that power dynamics exist everywhere and anyone can be anything they want, it now applies to the transgender stuff.
It applies to all this different nonsense where you can, as a man, become pregnant.
And the vast majority of people I talk to on college campuses, if I ask them the question, do you believe men menstruate?
They said they can.
And it's a matter of the will.
It's a matter of, I'm going to take dominion over nature for my own purposes.
I'm going to become my own God in my own eyes, right?
And so what does this mean for rural America?
Man, this is the whole ballgame.
And they're seizing on white guilt and this unnecessary.
And by the way, this is a black economist who came up with the term white guilt, Shelby Steele, who said there's been more damage done in America of white America thinking they have to apologize to blacks and give all this money for no reason whatsoever.
Now, let me be clear: if there's a racist here tonight and you've been awful, you should apologize, find, you know, repent to Jesus Christ and make it right.
But if you just happen to be a white person going about your business, you have nothing to apologize for.
Nothing.
And so you asked about rural America, what our message should be.
But I cannot re-emphasize this theme enough, which is wokeism, post-structuralism, post-modernism.
It is a parasite.
And I say this and it drives the media nuts every time I say this.
Wokeism is going to do more damage than COVID-19 ever did.
In 2020, you had two viruses that spread.
COVID-19 that did kill a lot of people.
Wokeism will destroy everything.
I'm telling you, it is a pathogen.
It is a mind virus that will make everything that is functioning and decent.
So, let me give you an example.
That kind of pregnancy test for a man, silly example.
Okay, what is then, how about medicine through equity?
Do you know that monoclonal antibodies in New York City throughout the pandemic were given preference to black people over white people?
That's a fact.
They have it all throughout medicine where they say, well, we have to triage based on the color of your skin because we have to atone for the sins of yesterday.
As the archbishop of wokeism, CRT, would say, Ibram X. Kendi, this is his exact quote.
We need discrimination today to fix the discrimination of yesterday.
That is Ibram X. Kendi, one of the thought leaders of the critical race theory movement.
I could go on and continue with this.
And then, yes, you have Joe Biden coming out and sitting with that man who thinks he's a woman, Dylan Mulvaney, saying that it is wrong that states want to prevent children from chemically castrating themselves and medically mutilating themselves.
And yeah, let me kind of talk about the church.
I mean, yeah, the church is largely silent on this.
How many churches are speaking about it?
Not enough.
And we need, as American Christianity, to call this wrong and evil.
You want to get to some questions?
Yeah.
All right.
So, what we're going to do is, if you want to ask a question, there's a microphone here.
Someone from Turning Point USA is going to be holding it.
Do not try to grab the microphone.
We ain't going to give it to you.
We don't need you to tell a story.
We just need you to ask your question.
So, wherever you are, if you need to go out and come around, come right here to this spot here, and we will.
You guys can form a line here.
And by the way, how great is Boyd and Awesome for hosting this tonight?
This is really great.
If this is not your church home, I encourage this to become your church home.
I mean that.
So, while they're waiting, now that you're a father, how has that changed, or what is more of an issue now as a father?
It changes the whole ballgame.
And I just want to re-emphasize something I said earlier, then we'll go to the question here: which is, you realize that the most beautiful things in life are about service and duty.
And that's a big deal.
I mean, you kind of know that, but then you go through the exercise of that.
It's more than just me, it's bigger than yourself.
Okay, next.
And by the way, anyone, if you guys want to ask a question, just form a line there.
I'll get to as many as we can.
Okay.
Thank you for coming.
Truth Beyond Personal Feelings00:05:05
As a young person in the workforce, how do we make a difference with the beliefs that we have while most people around us believe differently, but also still being respectful?
Yeah, so in the workforce, yes.
So you just got to kind of be ready to potentially lose your job, right?
But I don't know how that's in rural America.
Look, just be salt and light in everywhere you go, right?
Have truth and grace.
And Jesus was 100% grace and 100% truth, right?
And so always be compassionate and loving, but never waver, you know, from what you believe and why you believe it.
That would be my encouragement to you.
And if you're trying to spread the gospel, which you always should be, you know, live out the joy that we have in Jesus Christ, right?
What I always, my biggest frustration, and this is a generalization, is when I meet Christians that are not enjoyable people.
Is that a fair way to say it?
Okay.
Unhappy Christians are the worst advertisements for Christianity ever.
Is that a fair way to put it?
I don't want to be around them.
Huh?
I don't want to be around them.
Which is, we have the truth.
We've been born new.
Let's show the world that we have joy and that we have peace, right?
And you might be having a tough day, but if you are a Christian, you must understand that other people are looking at you.
They're looking at how you act, right?
They look at your code of conduct.
And I would argue, it's a term that we use a lot, radical honesty, right?
Never tell a lie.
Always be ethical.
You'll be a freer person because of it as well.
So that's my advice I'd give to you.
God bless you.
Thank you.
Hi.
I wanted to start it off by saying when you came to Asheboro over a year ago, you inspired me to look into what and why I believe what I believe.
I'm homeschooled.
So at the beginning of my junior year, when my mom asked me what elective I wanted to do, I knew I wanted to do apologetics.
About two weeks ago, I was asked to do a project on an influential person in my society, and I chose to do you.
Well, that's very kind.
One of the questions, one of the questions, I believe you spoke a little bit ago, spoke about a little bit ago, was what does he or she believe constitutes truth?
So what do you believe constitutes truth?
Yeah, so first is Jesus, right?
Jesus is the truth, and the truth will set you free.
And then the next is the natural law.
There's a phenomenal author that I don't think gets enough love in Protestant circles.
He was a Catholic, Thomas Aquinas, who is probably one of the most influential thought leaders ever on how to use reason, which he believed was a gift from the Lord, to be able to discover God's harmonic natural law.
He wrote a book called the Summa Theologica, which basically he argued that through reason, we could discover God's fingerprints everywhere in society.
And Aquinas, he wrote so deeply and beautifully about what he called the proofs of God, right?
And his argument, I'm paraphrasing, is he said, no reasonable person could not believe in God, basically, right?
And so I believe in the natural law, and the natural law anchors you to reality.
For example, if you do not have an agreed upon, let's say, societal norm of where North is or what South is, then how are you able to navigate yourself?
If everyone had their own opinion of North, how would you even find your destination, right?
And so as Christians, I would even go as far to say that we believe there is a way you ought to live, okay?
And you ought to live in harmony with God's commands.
And even more so, we believe God loves you so much that he has laid forward that way to live.
And by the way, every study shows that when you get married and you're loyal to your spouse, you're a happier person and you live a better life than if someone who engages in hookup culture.
It's as if God loves us so much, the natural law allows us to be free from the bondage of sin.
And so the truth are things, those are just kind of some things in truth.
So there's biological truth, there's truth in physics, there's truth in all these different ways.
But the biggest truth is that which God is real and we are not him.
God sent his son, who was God, three-part God in the Trinity, to give his life for us that we might live forever.
And I just want to say, if there's any non-Christians here tonight, thank you guys for being here.
That is a way of looking at God that no other religion would ever dare articulate.
Let me tell you why.
To say that God would take fleshly form, that he loved you so much to take the form of the broken, to walk alongside of you, to be beaten and broken and persecuted, and then conquer the thing that keeps us anxious every single day, which is death, and to conquer that so that we may live forever.
Said differently, almost every other religion is us trying to grow closer to us trying to go to God.
Christianity is God who came to us.
That's totally different.
That's a game changer.
Black Dormitories Are Not Racism00:02:45
Hi.
I'm actually a Democratic House candidate.
I said I would stop by.
My question for you would be: you know, if you I feel that you had a lot of misunderstandings on many things you said.
So if you would like to speak with me instead of random college students, hit my campaign up.
Name's Eric Davis.
Love to speak.
Want to name one?
Go ahead.
I mean, you misidentified CRT.
You talked about college indoctrination.
How did I misidentify CRT?
CRT is essentially looking at how, throughout history, we have had issues with embedding certain aspects of racism in the law.
One example would be, I know a lot of people made fun of when they said that, you know, roads are racist, but that was taken out of context.
Essentially, what it was saying was in that specific area, there were certain bridges that were put in place on purpose because the predominant method of transporting the black population had to do with buses.
However, they made the bridges too low for the buses to actually go under.
That's what they were speaking of.
And that was a specific thing that was put in place.
My background is in urban geography, so I understand how these things work.
And that was actually put in place specifically to downplay the ability of the black population.
Let me ask you a question about CRT.
So let's just talk about a policy.
Do you think that black-only dormitories on college campuses would be wrong?
That entirely depends.
It should.
It depends on what?
It depends on what you mean by it.
Well, it depends on what you're viewing it as.
Because evil?
A dormitory itself?
Allowing a dormitory to be black-on is not in and of itself.
Are you trying to say that's racist?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, a white-only dormitory would be racist, right?
Well, we have male and female-only dormitories as well.
It's not inherently racist.
Yeah, well, I hate to break it to you, but chromosomal differences are legitimate.
Racial differences are not.
They're caused by the same thing.
So CRT is active discrimination.
There are dozens of black, there's dozens of black-only dormitories across America.
Which isn't racist.
Okay, so discriminating against a race is racist.
I don't care what definition you use, right?
And so I believe black-only dormitories are wrong.
You would disagree.
If you read Intro to Critical Race Theory by Derek Bell, he talks about this extensively, about restructuring society to be able to fit the marginalized class at the expense of what he would consider to be the oppressor class.
Voting Rights and ID Laws00:07:13
Happy to talk to you at length about it.
And thank you for being here tonight.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Okay.
Next question.
Just for the regular citizen who votes at every election and who has had their eyes open to election fraud.
And we just feel like that there's kind of nothing we can do about it.
If you have anything to speak about that, other than voting every single election and showing our ID and voting on election day, we'd just love to hear your thoughts on that.
Yeah, look, so first of all, I love the heart you have for the integrity of our elections.
That's not a political issue.
Let me say that again.
Having fair and free and transparent and trustworthy elections is not a political issue.
It's a civilizational defining issue.
Your country falls apart if you do not trust your elections, okay?
Even if I was on the left, I would say it's not healthy that so many people question the election.
Instead, they call us dumb and they say, oh, you're skeptic.
You're a denier.
It's like, hold on a second, wait.
Like, we changed every voting law.
We had massive mail-in ballots.
We unconstitutionally administered the Pennsylvania election.
Georgia went from 248,000 mail-in ballots to 1.2 million mail-in ballots.
Mark Zuckerberg put in $400 million into the 2020 election campaign.
In the month of October, we were not allowed to talk about the Hunter Biden laptop on any social media channel that now Mark Zuckerberg has told us the FBI pressured, and we're supposed to acknowledge everything as perfectly fine and fair.
In an election, by the way, that was decided by about 30,000 votes in Pennsylvania and 12,000 votes in Georgia and 9,000 votes in Arizona.
If you cut those numbers in half and those people would have flipped their vote, you're talking about then 15,000, 5,000, and 4,500.
Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, partner.
Our country is way too important for me just to shut up when I start to see this blatant miscarriage of justice in front of me.
And so I want everyone to trust our elections, including myself, right?
It's one of the most important things.
I was in the movie 2000 Mules with Dinesh D'Souza.
It's a great movie.
And now, there are some people out there, there's some wackadoodle theories out there that I think are not exactly helpful.
You know, like, for example, like satellite votes being, you know, maybe that's true, maybe it's not.
I don't think it is, right?
I instead want to get back to the most provable and the most honest and the transparent issue, right?
Which is mass mail-in voting that goes to people that are no longer on the voting rolls with signature verifications that are relaxed.
So here's the thing: you got to do what you possibly can to be a poll worker, election judge, change the local laws, try to stop this absentee mail-in battling surge.
I could tell you, coming from the American West, Washington, Oregon, and Colorado, do you know this in those three states?
You cannot vote on election day.
It's only vote by mail.
They don't even have an option.
They're trying to nationalize that.
They're trying to bring it to every single state.
So we have to play defense against that, right?
And then finally, be the change you want to see in the world, that kind of cliche line, which is vote the way that you think is the most secure.
I'm a game day guy.
I'm going to show up on Election Day and vote on Election Day.
And however, you guys want to do that, God bless you.
Now, I actually don't scold you if you're like, hey, I'm an in-person early voting person because I don't like the lines.
God bless you.
In my show, I talk about that a lot.
I think it's wrong to tell people early voting is always wrong.
I don't think it's as secure.
That's my own personal opinion.
But if you're an early voting person and you've trusted it for years, then you're making the best decision.
But it's got to come from our laws.
I think North Carolina, on a state and local level, should do the following: no more voting month, get rid of no excuse absentee balloting.
Obviously, I know you guys have had many court challenges on the voter ID thing.
It's just been not, I don't even know where it stands, honestly.
It's approved, it's not approved, it's proved.
It's not approved anymore.
Again, this thing is so this is how racist the left is, right?
They say voter ID is racist.
You're racist for saying voter id is racist for assuming that black Americans can't get an ID.
You understand how racist that is?
Meanwhile, you can't rent a movie, board a plane, you know, purchase liquor without an ID.
Get government benefits holding is so crazy, right?
And by the way, here's the thing I never understand.
They're like, we need reparations.
Okay, how are you going to prove your identity to go collect your reparations without an ID?
Like, how are you going to prove that your family's been here for seven generations without an ID?
Oh, we're just going to assume.
So it's one way or the other.
You're either for identification or not.
Okay, so to answer your question, you got to get involved, get engaged on the precinct level, most important thing you could do.
God bless you.
Thank you.
I'm speaking as a small business owner coming from Raleigh.
One of the, as part of the circle of other small business owners that have Christian values, my question is with the move that we're seeing is a lot of Silicon Valley is moving to Raleigh.
We're seeing a lot more liberal values being pushed into Raleigh.
As far as someone who is a Christian business owner, and how do we not just like compete or survive in this kind of climate, but still hold fast to our Christian values and be able to do it without compromise in this kind of climate?
It's a great question.
It's a big concern.
I think that one of the downsides of the aggressive business recruitment in this state has been you're bringing in a lot of values that are changing the body politic of North Carolina.
And I think it's great for economic growth.
I think it's great the Research Triangle is one of the wealthiest places in the country, but it comes at a cost, comes at a price, where all of a sudden you have values that are completely distant and foreign to that of traditional North Carolina values.
Look, as a small business owner, I'm a big believer that the sooner you own your values on your sleeve, the better.
It's going to come at a cost.
It's going to come at a price.
But actually, I don't know what kind of business.
Are you in technology or something?
I'm in marketing and web design.
Yeah, and so you have to make a choice, right?
So I'm not here to give you advice, but I would give you just maybe something to think about and pray about and fast about and really mull over, which is if you own your values early, do you think how big of a, you know, how big of a hit would that be for your business?
Honestly, I think we're entering a phase where people would love a marketing web design person that is an outspoken Christian and conservative, and I think you would be rewarded for that.
And so it's just something to think about, especially kind of in this new economy that we are in, where JP Morgan is kicking people out for having accounts and all this sort of stuff that's happening.
So look, I just want to thank you for even asking the question and thinking about that.
But I think that we as Christians should not compartmentalize our Christianity.
I think we should be comprehensive.
And so my encouragement to business owners is: look, be prudent.
You know, you obviously have to put food on the table and make payroll.
But if it's appropriate, if you're in the early stages of your business, be like, look, we're a Christian conservative owned family business.
Just that statement alone, you know, I think would do a lot of good.
And then you're freer to then all of a sudden, when all these things come, you don't have to all of a sudden act like with your clients, you're somebody that you aren't.
But think about it.
I'm not one to try to, you know, disenfranchise you because I could imagine in the research triangle, that would be a tough thing to say at times.
So thanks for being here, man.
Appreciate it.
Charlie, thank you for being here.
I commend your courage and your commitment to Christ.
Thank you for all of that.
And I pray for you regularly, you and your wife.
And thank you for your wife's ministry.
Ukraine Aid vs Domestic Needs00:04:16
And everybody should take advantage of the Bible reading thing that your wife says.
I'm going to tell everyone about it.
Yeah, she helps people read a whole Bible in the year, the Bible in a year.
It's Biblein365.com, BibleinNumber365.com.
You get it texted to you every single day of the verses you need to read.
And if you do it for one, every single day, you do that, you read the Bible in the entire year.
It amazes me how many awesome Christians out there have yet to read the entire Bible.
Not saying that accusingly, right?
It was just until recently I was in that category.
But I encourage you guys, it'll change your life.
Thank you for saying that.
Yeah, thank you, Charlie, for being here.
We haven't talked about foreign affairs and things like that.
So there's many other things we could speak about, but you talk a lot about the Great Reset.
Could you just speak to what's going on in Ukraine and in China and in relationship to the Great Reset and why America is making itself intentionally weak on purpose to be a part of that and what we can do to stand against it?
Sure.
Yeah, thank you, man.
I have a heterodox view on Ukraine, so I don't mean to offend anybody, but I think it's insane we're sending $75 billion to Ukraine while we can't put food on the table for our families and our border is wide open.
$75 billion.
I'm no fan of Putin.
He's a war criminal.
He's an awful person.
I've said that publicly and repeatedly.
However, a country that is in decline needs to be very prudent about where you spend your money and what conflicts you decide to get involved in.
And this is a very, very murky conflict, okay?
This is not the good versus evil thing that the media is saying.
Again, I'm not saying that Putin is great or Russia is great or Russia was right to invade, but there's a lot of foreign policy murkiness that's involved with Zelensky coming into power.
Where's that money going?
Where's the armaments?
And then Zelensky goes on television demanding more money from us while our border is wide open and 2 million people have invaded us over the last couple of years.
I find that to be outrageous, honestly, and I don't support it at all.
And I wish our leaders were more focused on resolving the conflict than escalating the conflict.
And it is not an over-exaggeration that we might now be in a hot war with a nuclear armed power.
Do I think we're going to nuclear war?
I sure hope not.
I don't think so.
I'm not one of those alarmists.
But I don't trust any of the people in our government right now.
So I don't know.
I mean, and this is what drives me nuts.
And honestly, some of your people on the right here in your state have been so wrong on this topic.
I got to tell you, I could not disagree more because I actually think that American citizens should come first.
I know it's a radical belief because usually people that, you know, even on the right, think that, you know, foreign wars matter more than American kids, which I'm not exactly really sure how that one works.
Imagine if we spent $75 billion on mental health in the last year instead of going to Ukraine.
Or how about $75 billion on the southern border?
Anyway, you could fill it in.
Okay, but yeah, I'll just kind of, I could go on at length on the Ukraine thing, but here's the other thing.
China loves nothing more than seeing us sink money into a winless conflict in Eastern Europe while they are taking over the world.
They just re-elected Xi Jinping with more power and support than ever before.
We should have said very clearly, Putin, don't invade Eastern Ukraine.
We could have held elections.
They want to be part of Russia anyway.
I know that's controversial to say.
They do.
Eastern Ukraine wants to be part of Russia.
They're all ethnically Russian.
They speak Russian.
90% approval rating for Putin there.
I'm not a fan of that.
I don't see it.
That's their own view.
That's their own self-determination.
We could have brokered peace and then we could have told Russia, knock it off, but you supply the oil and we're going to crush China together.
It takes a very short-sighted view of history to act as if you can defeat a major power while also being against Russia.
It's just not the way it works.
They have too much land mass and too many resources.
We used them appropriately, I think, in World War II, and it wasn't the greatest part in our history, but guess what?
It was the right move to have Churchill get Stalin on the side of the West to defeat the Nazis.
That was the right move.
And guess what?
I believe the Chinese Communist Party is the moral equivalent of Nazis in our time.
They are 100 times more dangerous than Russia ever will be.
They're taking over our farmland.
They're hacking our country.
They're infiltrating our universities.
They're deindustrializing us.
Russia is a declining power.
Okay, 130 million people, nuclear weapons, and a frenetic leader with a lot of oil and natural gas.
Okay, we could use that strategically if our leaders were smart, like I think our prior administration was, to crush the Chinese Communist Party.
Instead, we have this proxy war on the Virgin Nuclear War.
China's getting rich and powerful.
Who's never been held accountable, by the way, for unleashing a bioweapon on the entire world?
Encouraging Courage Over Cowardice00:06:23
Like, hello?
And so, great question.
I'm very contrarian on that.
If I could ever say something, I could not disagree more with the conventional Republican view on Ukraine.
I think they have it all wrong, and I think it's making America a lot less safe.
Final two questions.
I wish you would give some passion.
Yeah, exactly.
Hey, Charlie, appreciate you being here.
You're a lot taller than I thought you were.
I hear that every so often.
I'm thinking about, you know, we've got a great group of pastors here tonight who are here for all the race.
Give it up for them.
That's great.
We need more pastors that are speaking.
There are a lot of believers in a lot of churches throughout the country whose pastors have chosen to preach the gospel and stay out of politics for a wide variety of reasons.
And I'm a Liberty University graduate.
I grew up in the United States.
Love Liberty.
They do a great job.
And so it's in my blood, but I'm thinking now with where we are and with what we're going through, how do we empower the believers in a lot of these churches who are desperately looking for, we want to get involved, but we don't know where and we don't know how.
And we're not really getting led from the pulpit.
Do you have anything that we can do different?
Yes.
I mean, that's one of the reasons why we started TPUSA Faith.
So there's three types of churches in America.
There's the courageous.
You're sitting in a courageous church right now.
You are.
And that deserves to be repeated.
And there's the cowardly.
The cowardly are the people that know better, but they don't speak out.
And I love the cowards.
You should too.
Cowards mean well.
They just haven't found courage.
We should challenge the cowards.
We should take the cowards out to lunch.
You should meet with the cowards.
You should encourage the cowards.
You should tell the cowards that if they speak out, that rewards will be given.
No, seriously, cowards have no good reason not to speak out right now.
I mean that.
We have seen at TPUSA faith, so many cowardly pastors no longer be cowards.
You know what's so great?
They just have to choose.
They have to choose courage to speak out with boldness and faith.
And so they give all sorts of reasons, right?
Well, Charlie, our tithes and our offerings and our attendance is going down.
Bad, response, right?
That's a bad answer.
By the way, you're wrong.
Every church that's speaking out boldly is seeing their tithes, their offerings, their attendance increase, and they're seeing them be blessed more than ever before.
Okay.
So then there's the third type of church, which is the complicit church, okay?
These deserve to be rebuked repeatedly.
BLM flags, gay flags, all this nonsense.
There is no space for that whatsoever.
Okay.
Again, love on the cowards.
Rebuke the complicit pastors.
Now, if you have a courageous pastor out here, if this is not your home church and you have a courageous pastor, you should thank them and encourage them because you're going to get more of what is encouraged.
Okay.
Do not take that for granted.
Send them a note tonight.
Hey, I just went to an event.
I just want to let you know thank you for speaking out.
It means a lot.
God bless you.
We're praying for you.
Keep doing it.
Okay.
So you might say, Charlie, how do I know what type of pastor I have?
Two things.
I think I said this earlier.
Did they celebrate the reversal of Roe versus Wade?
If not, you need to find a new pastor.
Okay?
Second one, have they or will they give a Sunday sermon talking about the biblical need to vote ahead of the midterm election?
If not, you need to find a new pastor.
Okay?
Those are the two things.
That's just the nice criteria.
Okay.
And so I could talk about the complicit for a while.
Stop attending the complicit.
Stop giving money to the complicit.
The cowardly, though, is worth your time.
The cowardly is like they're kind of in the middle.
They don't know what to do.
And TPUSA Faith is here to help them, to love on them, and to show them that boldness is the proper course of action right now.
Okay.
I think we have two more questions.
Yeah.
Charlie, we appreciate your being here tonight.
And I want to thank you for the job you're doing with our young people today.
Thank you.
Now, one of the things that trouble our hearts is what's happening in our colleges with these liberal professors.
And your organization combats this directly, but we haven't heard about what your organization does.
Tell us what it does and what you have achieved in the 10 years that you have headed it up.
Well, thank you.
Yeah, we do quite a lot.
So we have a lot of programs at Turning Point USA.
Our bread and butter is starting chapters on college campuses.
That's our bread and butter.
So we're on pace to hit 1,000 high school chapters across the country by the end of the year, an incredible landmark and achievement.
We have college chapters all across the country, including at UNC Charlotte.
And so you might say, Charlie, well, what success have you been able to show?
Well, according to Pew Research, five years ago, 37% of American young people had a liberal worldview.
Okay?
37%.
Five years later, with Turning Point USA reaching millions of people on social media, having over 250 people on staff, TPUSA Faith, 27% of young people have a liberal worldview.
So we brought that number down by 10.
Okay?
Now, you might say, what about conservative?
All right.
Well, 22%, according to Pew Research, had a conservative worldview.
Now, 23% have a conservative worldview.
So we're up one, they're down 10.
The average is an 11-point movement.
I'm not taking full credit for that.
There's some awesome people out there, right?
There's amazing people.
But I'll give you a couple success stories from Turning Point USA.
Candace Owens got her start at Turning Point USA.
That's a pretty awesome thing, right?
Not to mention the thousands of Turning Point alumni that are now starting business.
Austin's been there throughout all of it.
It's been amazing.
Starting businesses that are running their chief of staff, communications director for governors.
Not to mention the amazing impact that happens when we do our events on college campuses.
Over 700 campus events every single semester that we do at Turning Point USA.
Registering voters, tabling, talking to kids.
We are the presence.
We are the drumbeat on these college campuses and high school campuses, not to mention the millions of people we're reaching online.
So happy to elaborate that even more.
We have Turning Point Academy, TPUSA Faith.
We have the largest events in the movement.
You guys should come to Phoenix for America Fest.
It is going to be the biggest event.
It's going to be unbelievable.
Tucker Carlson, Bannon, huge speakers are going to be there.
AMFest.com.
Over 10,000 students will be there.
So God bless you.
Thank you for the question.
Yeah.
See if you can get a chapter over at Chapel Hill.
I would love to visit Chapel Hill, I'll tell you.
You're redeemable.
All right.
This will be the final question.
Is that right?
Or we have, okay, yeah, I got it.
Thank you.
Hey, Charlie, huge fan.
Thank you so much for coming out tonight.
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My question is, I'm as extreme pro-life as you can possibly be.
But how can I encourage people to also kind of view what's going on without and be active in the pro-light movement without shoving the vulgar disgustingness down their throat?
Yeah, I mean, I hear you.
I think what you're talking about is some of the imagery and just some of the graphic nature of it.
I think that does have a place, unfortunately.
I got to be honest.
I think some people don't know how unnatural the procedure is.
But I do agree it might turn some people off.
But in the right setting, with the right permission of a recipient, I actually think it could be very persuasive.
I really do.
For example, there might be somebody watching online or somebody listening to this.
You might say, well, what do you mean by that?
Without getting too graphic, right?
Because I haven't gotten everyone's permission because I don't want to ruin somebody's night.
But the actual procedure of an abortion is so incredibly hard to watch that I actually think it will motivate you more to stop it.
So with that being said, though, it could turn somebody off from possibly doing that.
So look, it's all about the morals of it, right?
Which is what is a human being?
We believe human beings are made in the image of God, not an accident of millions of years of evolution, and therefore necessary of legal protection, of protection from society in every way, shape, or form, right?
And so it's a question, I think, of also showing that we have a heart for people, right?
There's a miscategorization, I think, from the left where they say, oh, you're only pro-birth.
No, we'll take that question.
That's fine.
He waited in line.
We'll take that.
It's fine.
Sorry, I hate to turn your questions away.
That'll be the final, final question, I promise, okay?
Is that we have a heart for people, right?
We want to have people flourish.
We want to see them succeed.
We want to grow them closer to God.
And then there's some people that say, well, you're just pro-birth.
That's not true.
We're pro-life in every policy, okay?
You probably heard that accusation.
Oh, you're just pro-birth, Charlie.
Nonsense.
I want a closed border so that girls are not sex trafficked into our country.
I want police on our streets so that kids are not shot on the way to school.
I want a free market economy so people get rich and have dignity at work and are able to see their incomes go up and I have to go on government benefits, right?
I want an independent judiciary so that rights given by God are protected and that government tyranny doesn't reign.
Every policy we have, everybody, is pro-life.
Do not allow them to convince you of anything else.
God bless you.
Thank you.
The final question.
And thank you, Charlie, for allowing me to do that.
I have a question, a two-part question for you.
I try to articulate it as sharply as I can.
A lot of Christian people I've heard in my past say they're not voting at all because they don't like either candidate.
And what would your message be to us as a church and to the Christian community about the importance of voting more on maybe issue than it is the personality of the candidate?
Thank you.
It's a great question.
Yeah.
So I would ask them the question, which is, you know, do you think that person would be morally superior?
Do you think that person would be morally superior or morally similar to Samson?
I love the story of Samson in the Bible.
Now, people accuse Trump all the time.
Oh, I don't like Trump.
He's narcissistic, egotist, and all this.
I'm like, okay, he gave us justices that repealed Roe versus Wade.
Get off your moral high horse, okay?
He did good for our country.
All right, like, and so, but let's use the Trump example, right?
Okay, he's self-centered.
He's narcissistic.
He's egotistical.
He's all this sort of stuff.
Okay.
Well, let's look at the story of Samson, right?
Properly told, the story of Samson is something we can't even tell in Sunday school.
God came to Samson when he was in a prostitute's bed, took a job, a donkey, killed a thousand Philistines.
Good enough to be able to go into the hall of faith.
And I know what you're thinking.
Okay, Samson Trump, the hair, the whole similarity.
I got it, right?
But the point is this: the story of Samson.
Samson is elevated in the book of Hebrews as being someone that we celebrate and we revere because he was willing to fight when other people weren't.
And so I try to tell people: look, would I appoint Donald Trump to be on the elder board of this beautiful church?
Maybe, maybe not.
Okay?
No.
Yes, no.
Okay.
Thank you.
However, this is a different question.
I voted for him for president, but I would not have him.
However, metaphorically, would you use him to defend the right to worship and to defend the ability to, of course, you would.
All truth is God's truth, no matter whose mouth it comes out of it.
Amen.
That's why I called him the bodyguard of Western civilization.
When you hire a bodyguard, you don't really care about his tweet history or if he's loud or whatever.
You want someone who could fight and fight and win.
And here's the thing: is that I would just encourage some, because some Christians get into the personality contest.
It's about policies.
And here's the thing.
We have had personalities of Neville Chamberlain for the last 30 years.
Neville Chamberlain being the UK prime minister who went to Ribbentrop in Germany and got the piece of paper signed, peace in our time.
He will not invade Poland.
And he proclaimed to all the people of the Western world, don't worry, the Nazis won't invade Poland.
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That's been the right for the last 30 years.
Peace in our time.
And guess what?
Churchill was rough around the edges.
He was called a drunk and a sleaze and a slob.
And as Churchill entered Buckingham Palace for the prime minister, I'm sorry, when he went in to go become prime minister and meet with the then queen, the then queen, he knew he felt the weight of the world coming upon his shoulders because he knew that he was going to be the next prime minister.
But he said, I slept like a baby that night.
He said, finally, someone capable of the job is now in charge.
It's like, so Churchill, right?
And guess what?
He saved Western civilization.
He was the greatest man in the 20th century because he was a fighter, because he was willing, because he unified the West against evil.
And guess what?
There's different times for everything.
Ecclesiastes tells us that, by the way, there's a time for everything.
We're in a time right now of pretty awful conflict against evil.
And I want someone who's a bodyguard and a fighter.
I'm not going to pretend he's not someone that he isn't.
Like, Trump is Trump, okay?
He's a larger than life only in America character.
But my goodness, God bless that man because he stood in the void and fought this evil for us despite everything they've thrown at him.
And I think he deserves such credit for that.
Absolutely.
Can I say one final thing?
Say whatever you got, bro.
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I know a lot of you are probably saying, Charlie, I've done everything that's been asked of me.
I watched Tucker Carlson.
I bought the pillow.
I've done everything, Charlie, that has been asked of me, right?
You bought the pillow.
Pillow Brigade right here.
It is the man in the arena that counts.
And we as Christians have got to get in that arena.
And that's our call to action tonight.
God bless you guys.
Thank you so much.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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God bless.
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