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Oct. 20, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Blocked Shots with Alex Berenson and Russ Vought
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Trump's Personnel And Russia Gate 00:13:58
Hello, everybody.
Today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Russ Vogt joins us to explain the latest with Trump's personnel.
What's he going to do if he gets another term with his personnel?
And also, the great failure of the right, I think, has been our handling of the Russia gate.
Very disappointing what's been happening here.
For the record, I've been a cynic on this topic the entire time, and I hate that I was right.
Then Alex Berenson weighs in on middle schoolers in Seattle that are given time and space to do hard drugs during school, and also a middle schoolers that are trained to have to administer a form of drug rehabilitation overdose treatment if a middle school friend might overdose at school.
Not a joke.
And also talking about the COVID vaccination.
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With us right now is Russ Vogt.
Russ, welcome back to the program.
You do a wonderful job with the Center for Renewing America.
So, Russ, you're going to have to help me out with something.
Yesterday was just kind of the latest chapter in some of the most disheartening news that I have received around the Igor Danchenko trial.
And I'm incensed about the entire thing.
And I believe that RussiaGate has been one of the great failures of the right of the last five years.
What are your thoughts?
I agree with that.
And I think that it's unconscionable the extent to which we have not had more success in the prosecutions and also the extent to which the American public still right now, majorities don't know the basic tenets of what happened with the Russian hoax, the national security apparatus.
They get that something is very, very wrong.
60% of them support what we have called for in terms of a church-style committee, an institution with 150 investigators to be able to go and really understand fully and prove to the American people that we have a problem that needs to be fundamentally overhauled.
I like to believe that the FBI needs to be reformed extensively, broken up, defunded, moved their authorities around.
But it's not just the FBI, and that's why it requires a select committee because this is the Intel community.
It's portions of DHS, it's portions of DOD.
We need to get our full arms wrapped around this.
And we're only scratching the surface based on what has come up.
And that's where we need to get serious and to draw on history.
And when we talk about a church committee, we're not talking about what most people might think when they're coming from a position of faith.
We're referring to a specific historical reference point in the 1970s.
Senator Frank Church, his committee that really brought the FBI and CIA to its knees for a period of time.
The reforms were not enduring, but that's the model.
And if we have a Republican majority, it can be done without the Senate.
It can be done without the Biden administration.
Yeah, so then there was a House equivalent, the Pike Committee.
And this is, again, on the right, people don't like talking about this.
But what we learned in those committees, heart attack guns, mass manipulation, the takeover of American media with Operation Mockingbird.
And now that stuff gets called conspiracy theories.
I think it would be actually very interesting to just re-educate the American population.
What did we learn the last time we investigated our intelligence agencies?
What prompted it, though?
What were the leading events that made Senator Church want to do this?
Yeah, there was a number of things, but there was reports, there were news articles about the extent to which the CIA was over their skis in ordering assassinations of other foreign leaders.
There was a lot of news reports as it pertains to what the FBI and CIA were doing to be able to go after political enemies of various administrations.
And that just became debubble.
And, you know, we were in the aftermath of Vietnam.
So there was certainly the country was divided.
And there was a couple of specific news articles, Seymour Hirsch being one of them, that led to this, the desire, the need to set up a select committee, at least in the Senate.
And then the Pike Committee came in the House.
The Senate committee was more successful for various reasons.
And this was something that for two years, and they really kind of put themselves on a clock.
I think that's one way that we would change this, is that they were racing against their own clock to be able to put something in front of the country about the problems.
But they came up with enormous revelations.
You just named them.
Counterintelligence program, the extent to which the CIA had biological weapons.
These are not conspiracy theorists.
These are things that were documented.
And we've only taken those agencies and we've gone from A to Z in terms of the increasingly sophistication of what they can do and the extent to which we don't have a clear sense anymore of how they do it because it's so enveloped within the national security apparatus.
We're on the other side of 9-11, in which for two decades, there has been a call to keep the country safe.
And so that's totally legitimate.
But we've got to peel back the layers to really figure out institutionally, beyond just the bad actors, institutionally, what are the processes that are in place and deconstruct those processes?
That's what I'm most interested in, in addition to figuring out how to lay it at the feet of those who deserve to be punished and held accountable.
Yeah, I mean, let's just use one example, right?
So MK Ultra was one of the things we learned in the church committee, which was an illegal human experimentation program done by the United States government's central intelligence agency intended to develop procedures and identify drugs that could be used in interrogations to weaken individuals and force conventions, confessions, through brainwashing and psychological torture.
That was also preceded by Project Artichoke, which was in the 1950s, which was forced hypnosis, forced morphine addiction on American citizens to give them LSD to produce amnesia to be able to give them specific confessions and actions.
Now, let me just say this as carefully as I can.
That was the 1960s.
What do you think they're doing now, Russ?
Exactly.
And I mean, you know, the extent to which there was this trust in the 60s of our institutions, we're not in the 60s anymore in terms of the degree to which the sophistication of our agencies, What they can accomplish digitally in terms of spying on the country.
That's why it can't just be the FBI.
It has to include agencies like the NSA and CIA and DHS that's going around and saying that people who care about election integrity and poll watchers are somehow setting themselves up to be domestic terrorism.
It's extensive.
We need to prove it to the American people and have the full weight of the government going at an oversight capacity and to set up the reforms that we can do on a day one of the next administration.
It can't just be hearings.
It has to be investigations, an army of investigators that lead to firm convictions that the country supports to be able to do on day one so that the next president, like President Trump had, he didn't have half of his government constantly warring against him on a day and day basis, the national security apparatus trying to do a coup d'état, and the EPA and the other policy agencies just, you know, trying to go against everything that came out of his mouth.
Yeah, and then no one gets held accountable, right?
So Danchenko walks, Sussman walks, Durham kind of just puts his hands up and I guess says, well, I tried everybody.
And I mean, the Russiagate buildup, the amount of media attention, when we've talked about it, all warranted, by the way, very important.
And basically, no one gets held accountable for any of it.
What I want to ask you, Russ, in the next segment is how is this going to work if it's Trump as president or whomever?
Because this is what your whole organization is focused on, right?
You're focused on Schedule F and personnel, because as Morton Blackwell would say, personnel is policy.
I'm sure you've heard that before.
I don't know if he came up with it or if he popularized it, but it's just true.
And I talk to a lot of Trump voters.
We have a lot in our audience right now.
We get a lot of emails from them.
And the one thing that they say that they just can't understand is why were there so many snakes and so many bad actors in the Trump administration?
How did that happen?
And then how do we go about fixing it?
I have to ask: you know, if Donald Trump were to run in 2024, what is the assuredness that we can give people or the assurances, I guess I should say, we can give people that he'll pick good people this time?
Because I think if there were to be a primary challenge against Trump, I think he'd handle it rather easily.
But that would definitely be a critique I think that he would have to navigate.
Do you agree?
I think so.
And I think it's something that he's acknowledged and has also was changing as in his first four years.
The nominations, the people that he was relying on over the last year, last year and a half, were very much people that shared his America First perspective.
And I remember an occasion which I was getting sworn in and he said, Russ, you know, we just need another four years because we're just learning how to fit our hands into the glove and do this and to govern with the vigor and the confidence that comes with having the know-how.
And, you know, that's, I was someone that came with a big budget background.
My mentor had been deputy at OMB, and yet it took me a long time to figure out how to OMB worked and to be able to fully put my hand in a glove and wield it on behalf of the president of the United States.
And we need those people who share the America First perspective and are supportive of Donald Trump and are not going to take everything that he says and try to twist it into something that aligns with some caricature they heard on Morning Joe in the morning.
They shouldn't even be watching Morning Joe.
I mean, so he, he or whoever is is the president of the United States needs a team that has the paradigms that are necessary and knows how to run these agencies.
And I just want to mention that one word, Charlie, paradigms.
Paradigms need to be shattered.
If you just look at, you know, what you, here's the box that you're living in, but you haven't looked historically about what can be accomplished, about when these precedents were established, all of a sudden DC wants to constrict your freedom of action.
You've got to break those paradigms.
And that's why I'm such a big supporter of President Trump is because he has always been someone that shatters through these paradigms and allows you to get back to what I call radical constitutionalism.
What did the founders actually intend with the words of the Constitution?
Not just the, but how would they have operated in the Constitution?
How would they have responded to the encroachments of other branches?
And if you don't shatter those paradigms, and if you don't have people that have thought through this and read historically to figure out what great leaders in the past have done, we're going to continue to be in a world of hurt.
And I think that will change.
And I think that is something that will be evident on day one of a new administration.
Yeah, I think that's really smart.
And I mean, from day one, we have to make sure that the lobbyists and the trial lawyers, I guess the question don't get in.
I guess the question is, is there enough good people, the staff of government?
Well, I hope so.
And I think there's a lot of organizations that are going to be working on that.
And we are allied with all of them.
But I think that our job at our center has to be to make those paradigms and those new ways of thinking it.
And what does the law allow?
We have to make it such a national issue that it allows us to spread the field and to be able to take people that, you know, are very supportive of President Trump or whoever is the nominee or the election, the president, and to put them in a position where they don't feel like, oh my gosh, this is something that is not credible.
We've got to make it credible over the next two years.
And that's what we believe is our assignment in being prepared for the next administration.
Yeah, it's personnel is policy, as we said before.
Russ, thank you so much for joining us, Center for Renewing America.
Great job.
Thank you so much.
Thanks, Charlie.
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Democrats are in trouble with Hispanics.
Wall Street Journal William Galston writes: Republican gains among Hispanic voters have generated a wave of concern among Democrat strategists.
In 2020, Trump received 38% of the Hispanic vote compared to 28% in 2016.
Much better than Willard Mitt Romney.
It's funny how the guy who talks about immigration and culture and language actually does better.
It's interesting how that works.
Maybe all of those Republican consultants that talk endlessly on television have no idea what they're talking about.
Mr. Trump's share rose to 46% from 35%, and in Texas to 41% from 31%.
He made very large gains in other states as well.
Childhood Vaccine Schedule Concerns 00:15:16
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Okay, I want to play a couple pieces of tape here, and hopefully, momentarily, we'll be joined by Alex Berenson, who is just great.
Let's go to Cut 39.
Seattle Middle School now has a harm reduction policy that allows students to use hard drugs.
Two students explain how they're not allowed to go to the bathroom during certain times because they're now taught because they're being taught how to administer certain drugs.
So, basically, with the trans issue, the drug issue, the normal people, the people that do not suffer from mental illnesses or from drug addiction, have to accommodate their behavior of a vast minority that pretends to be oppressed.
Play Cut 39.
So, Ava, tell me about what you've heard about people learning how to administer Narcan to like revive someone if they're having a drug overdose.
I mean, I think it's a good, I think it's a good life school to know, but you shouldn't be having to do it to your own classmates.
Yeah, so our bathroom breaks are changing.
We can't go to the bathroom between 10 minutes after or before, after or before school or classes because people are skipping and doing drugs in the bathroom.
Yeah, and the middle school knows it, and the middle school condones it.
So, this is a Seattle middle school where they are, they have times allotted for the kids to go into the bathroom to go do hard drugs.
That, what is the name of that Seattle middle school?
We can get the name of it.
And by the way, yeah, I mean, if to be consistent, if they can terminate babies in the womb and if they can, you know, throw off their genitals, why can't they do hard drugs in school?
Who are you?
What are you a bigot?
What are you anti-regionophobe?
Are you afraid of heroin being done in schools?
You're a bigot.
It's the new normal in Seattle where the normal kids can't go into the bathroom because the school allows kids to potentially overdose.
Alex Berenson is here.
Alex, you've written extensively about the drug issue.
I know we're not here to talk about that.
Just what's your immediate reaction on that story that in a middle school in Seattle, they have allotted times for kids to go do hard drugs?
I mean, I think it's the same reaction any parent or any person would have.
It's insane.
You know, we've moved to legalize cannabis in this country, and the early returns are terrible, in my opinion.
And instead of learning from that lesson, we are now, you know, the same people who pushed that are pushing the legalization of psilocybin, mushrooms, and other psychedelics.
And it's only a matter of time before some of these people try to decriminalize or possibly even legalize heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine.
I mean, they've indicated that's where they want to go with this.
And the reality of the devastation it causes doesn't seem to bother them.
It's very, you know, it's this sort of liberal/slash libertarian meld that I just don't understand.
Yeah.
And by the way, they're the same people that want to use the FBI to go after political dissidents or kick you off social media, right?
So it's this strange kind of mixture of anarcho-tyranny where you could do whatever drug you want in the street, but if you're Alex Berenson, we're going to kick you off Twitter immediately for saying something.
That's right.
Speech is violence, but violence is not violence.
It's very strange.
This is the world we're living in.
This is a Seattle middle school for children.
They're 12, 13, and 14 year olds, where there's times in the bathroom where they allow a kind of a venue for children to go do hard drugs.
That's where we're at in America today.
If you dare disagree, you're a bigot.
Okay.
And by the way, they also teach their fellow classmates.
As she said, she said, Yeah, I just, to be able to administer narcane, I just don't want to have to do it to my classmate.
I mean, that's an opioid recovery drug, isn't it, Alex?
I mean, it is.
It's used.
Well, it's not really a recovery.
It's used in overdose to reverse.
This is in a middle school.
I mean, Charlie, I find this hard to believe, except other things that I've found hard to believe in the last couple of years have turned out to be true, like the idea that, you know, that you'd cut a teenage girl's breasts off at the age of 16.
I mean, it turns out, or even younger in some cases, it turns out that actually has happened and not once.
It's happened repeatedly.
You know, by the way, is there a more Orwellian phrase in English than gender-affirming surgery for surgery to reverse biological sex?
We are at a strange time.
Yeah, it's very dangerous.
Okay, I want to talk about the childhood vaccination issue.
Seems as if the CDC is poised to approve and put the mRNA shot on the childhood vaccination schedule.
How should we think about this?
Well, you know, so this is very interesting.
These shots have been completely rejected by the parents of kids under five.
There's something like 97% of American children under five are not fully vaccinated against COVID.
And I challenge you to think of another issue where 97% of the country has taken the same attitude.
I mean, probably if a meteor were going to crash into the world and end it, there'd be more than 3% of the country that would disagree, right?
So they've just been profoundly rejected.
And slightly older kids, age 5 to 11, those kids, I think something like 70%, a little under 70%, have not been fully vaccinated.
So parents don't want their kids to have these shots.
They've been offered.
It's not a question of accessibility.
It's not a question of them not knowing.
They've just been completely rejected.
And by the way, outside the United States, there's been a progressive move away from recommending these shots for kids.
The UK has moved away.
The Nordic countries, which are supposed to have the best healthcare in the world, they're some of the richest countries in the world.
They have the healthcare that the left would love to bring to the United States.
They've all rejected these.
Australia has moved away.
So what's really going on here?
I mean, there's one possibility is that the people in that room and the sort of the vaccine advocacy community in the United States is so crazy, it just has no idea of the blowback that this will cause.
Now, to be clear, this does not mean that the vaccines are definitely going to be mandated for kids to go to school.
The states have to make that decision individually, but it does set the stage for that in a state like California or a state like New York, a blue state that has shown interest in mandating the mRNA vaccines for kids.
So that's one possibility.
They just don't care.
They know it's going to infuriate parents.
It's going to be, I mean, somebody emailed me today and said there'll be civil war if they try to do this.
I mean, I don't know if there'll be civil war, but I do think it would result in the collapse of the public school system in any state that tried it.
The other possibility, which I think is more likely, is that getting onto the childhood vaccine schedule comes with something very important for the vaccine companies.
It comes with liability protection, permanent liability protection, meaning you can't sue the vaccine companies for injury.
The government, you can file a claim with something called the National Vaccine Compensation Injury Program, and then the government will adjudicate that and determine whether or not you get paid.
And if you need to get paid, the government pays you, the federal government.
So what this does is it protects Pfizer and Moderna from, and the other vaccine companies, from injuries related to the COVID vaccines.
Now, right now, they have that protection in a different way.
They have it because we have, quote unquote, a public health emergency that remains in force about COVID.
Okay.
And that was just extended a few days ago through January.
But I think even the Biden administration is aware of how ridiculous it is to pretend that there's any kind of emergency related to this point.
I mean, there's literally kind of emergency or even problem related to COVID in the real world.
And the protection that the companies have will end.
But basically what Alex is saying is that it does give these vaccine manufacturers extended liability protection, what we talked in the last hour.
It's amazing to think 97% of Americans, 97% think this is insane.
The CDC is going to do it anyway.
They're bought and paid for corrupt, very, very bad actors.
It would be so interesting to see Congress vote on this.
When Congress has given up their power, you get decisions that are so disconnected from the consent of the governed.
The administrative state designed by Woodrow Wilson, the administrative state that's been around for 100 years of this fourth branch of government, unelected, unknown, unchecked power, makes it that it doesn't really matter what you say.
It doesn't matter what you want.
They do whatever they want.
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Alex, you got cut off.
You wanted to finish your thought?
Yeah, so just so I suspect that what's happened here is that Pfizer and Moderna have said to the federal government, we're not going to keep selling these vaccines without liability protection.
We've already made a ton of money on them.
It's all downside for us going forward if people can sue us.
But the companies and the government know how that would look.
Okay.
They know what that would mean.
And, you know, if we can't sell these unless we're completely protected from lawsuits, what does that say about their safety?
And so I think the government, you know, the Biden administration is in a tough spot here.
They need to figure out a way to extend that protection.
And so this is what they're doing.
And they must know.
what the backlash is going to be when this is put on you know put on the schedule.
Again, it doesn't mean that mandates are going to happen tomorrow, but it does start the process for states that want a mandate of being able to do that.
And as I wrote on my substack today, again, I have this unreported true substack where I can go into the stuff at a little bit greater depth.
If I were a Republican presidential candidate, I would, or a presidential, a Republican candidate in a blue state for governor or senator or Congress, I would have an ad set to go saying, you know, the CDC has now put this on the schedule.
That means there's a backdoor chance that these could be mandated.
You know, if you don't like that idea, you should vote for me.
I think that there's a lot of anger that parents have in the blue states towards what's happened in the last couple of years with school closures, with mask mandates, and with these vaccine mandates.
You mentioned athletic competitions, which is, you're absolutely correct.
That's a backdoor way to force kids to get mandated to get vaccinated.
In fact, we saw documents that the government had actually talked about this, that, you know, if you if you mandate vaccines for athletic competitions, it's going to force kids to get mandated, get vaccinated, I should say.
So I think there is tremendous anger about this, even among Democratic parents.
Look, I'm a registered independent.
I live in a truly purple county in New York State.
And I can tell you, even Democratic parents do not like what's happened the last couple of years.
So yes, I think there's an opportunity for the Republicans here, but I think that the Biden administration is under such pressure from the vaccine companies, they had no choice but to do this.
I mean, they're under pressure, but it's just, it's so unpopular.
It's inexplicable.
I mean, so if let's say the CDC approves this today or tomorrow, what is their rationale going to be?
I have no idea.
The kids are at, you know, essentially zero risk from Omicron.
Everybody in the country, certainly practically every child has already gotten Omicron and recovered.
We know that because we have what are called seroprevalence studies that show that there is just absolutely no excuse for this.
And you're seeing that with other countries.
Other countries that aren't the home of Pfizer and Moderna have taken a more rational attitude towards this.
It's not because they hate their kids.
It's because they don't have this unique confluence of political pressure and administrative state.
I think what you said about the administrative state after I got unfortunately dropped out at the previous episode is absolutely correct.
These, you know, these things sort of become a flywheel that just spin on their own and they're totally unaccountable or largely unaccountable.
Yeah, I mean, it's just these vaccine companies, I just think they want the government protection of it, but they're pushing way too hard and way too far.
I mean, is it also just greed they're going to get more money if it's on the schedule?
Is that right, I guess?
I mean, look, if you're a Pfizer and Moderna, you've sold $100 billion.
And this is not an exaggeration.
You've sold $110 billion of these vaccines already in the last two years.
And so the money, I think, is relatively minor.
I mean, obviously, they'd like to have this as an annuity going forward where they make a couple billion dollars a year.
I really think it's about liability protection for them.
It's hard to disagree with that.
Alex Berenson, thank you so much.
Great job as always.
Thank you.
Charlie, pleasure.
Thank you.
Great work.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your foxasoysfreedom at charliekirk.com.
Thank you so much for listening.
God bless.
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