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Sept. 21, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Smear Campaigns and Midterm Interference with Darren Beattie and Dr. Lance Wallnau
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Smearing the Mastriano Campaign 00:04:53
Hey everybody, today at Charlie Kirk Show, Darren Beattie and Lance Wall now.
We unpack a massive lie and a smear to try to derail the Mastriano campaign in Pennsylvania.
And then we talk about how the feds might be involving themselves in the midterm election.
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One of my all-time favorite people is joining the program to help us walk through one of the most frustrating, fake, artificial social media narratives that popped up over the weekend.
So it's well known that we are big fans of Doug Mastriano.
And Doug Mastriano has been accused wrongly for weeks.
This is a building synthetic narrative of him being an anti-Semite.
That is disgusting.
It is a lie from the pit of hell.
He's running up against Shapiro, who is Jewish.
So they're really trying to play up this narrative.
And it is wrong.
It's disgusting.
Anti-Semitism will not be tolerated by anybody.
And the idea that they're trying to act as if Mastriano tolerates it is just awful.
It's disgusting.
So therefore, so, and not therefore, then what ended up happening is Doug Mastriano does this event.
He's running for governor of Pennsylvania, for those of you in the national audience, very important race.
And he does a prayer.
Now, for those of you that might be in Presbyterian or Episcopalian or Catholic circles, I know it might be unusual to see people raise their hands when they pray.
No offense to our wonderful Catholics out there.
But it's very common in Pentecostal circles.
In fact, it happened all the time.
And it is done to feel the Holy Spirit.
And it is a physical representation to show that you're touching up towards the divine.
It's not only appropriate.
In fact, there are verses that support it.
And in evangelical circles in particular, not just Pentecostal circles, but in Pentecostal, it's done more than not.
The point being, Christian circles, non-denominational, Protestant circles, it's done all the time.
And so what ends up happening is this snake, Tristan Snell, comes out on Twitter and says, this is a Nazi salute.
People praying at a Doug Mastriano campaign event in Pennsylvania.
Democracy is literally on the ballot in 2022.
It ends up getting 3.6 million views on Twitter.
3.6 million views.
It is fake.
It is wrong.
And it's this Ron Filipikowski guy who started it.
On Twitter, for 3.6 million views, they show people with their hands raised praying and saying it's a Heil Hitler ceremony.
Let's show the video, then we'll bring in Lance Wall now.
Let's play cut three and then 21.
Let's play cut three first.
Legano three will bring our hand down as one.
Father, I pray that indeed Pennsylvania will be like Little Roundtop and America will have a new birth of liberty.
This morning the count is to me.
One, two, three.
Let's welcome Lance Walmell.
Lance, welcome to the program.
Charlie, it's good to see you.
And honestly, this is funnier than people think.
First of all, I'm a 20% Ashkenazi Jew.
I come from a long line of rabbis on my father's side.
And I've got a sister who's an Israeli and wants me to be a citizen over there.
This is the most ingenious strategy.
The anti-Semites in America bringing in the part Jewish people to help seal the deal with a Nazi salute.
For our audience out there, Lance, it's so disgusting and gross what they're saying that they're doing a prayer and they call it a Hitler salute.
The Battle for Little Roundtop 00:03:15
Walk us through that.
It's worse than that.
It's worse than that.
I wasn't even leading a prayer.
I have to be honest with you.
Even that narrative needs to be cleaned up a little bit.
I would say, I said to the people, I said, hey, do you know that we're on the Chambersburg Pike?
We're only miles away from where the Battle of Gettysburg was fought.
And on that fateful second day of the Battle of Gettysburg, the fate of the Union was being decided.
And I was pointing out how this midterm election is kind of like our Gettysburg moment.
If we don't succeed in doing what we have to do, listen to your show.
Every day we're finding out that the institutions are collapsing.
We have to go seize Little Roundtop.
Little Roundtop was the objective of the second day of the Battle of Gettysburg.
It's a little round.
It's a little mountain.
There was a colonel who occupied that who was a Christian named Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain.
He was holding that little mountain.
He was told, you cannot give this up no matter what.
It's the lynchpin of the Union position.
If we give this up, Lee will mow down the entire Union line.
He'll march on Harrisburg.
He'll take the Capitol.
And Lincoln will be forced to have to sue for peace.
Chamberlain, desperate at the end of the day, Charlie, as this Colonel Oaks, this division is coming up over the hill.
Now, I'm telling the story.
I'm telling you, this is what I'm saying on the platform.
As the Alabama regiment is about to come and sweep over the top of the mountain, Chamberlain hears, you're out of bullets.
You're out of bullets.
And he prays.
He says, my God, what do I do?
We have no bullets.
And he gets a word, a thought, fix bayonets, because they can't retreat and they can't hold a position.
They have to go on the offense.
When they have no bullets, the only thing they could do is go on the offense.
He says to them, I want you to swing around behind me on this mountain.
And when we line up as one, we will move together in unity.
And we will come and sweep down the mountain as one.
And so they swept down the mountain as one.
And because part of the army comes up at the top and sweeps down, the Alabama division is coming up at the same time.
They look over their corner, their eyes, and they see bayonets coming from their side.
And they think an entirely new division has just joined the battle.
They surrender en masse and surrender their position.
As the sun set, the word got out.
This wasn't a new division.
This was the desperate last stand of a united Union force unwilling to give up Little Roundtop.
They had no bullets.
When Lee heard that, he said, I came this close to winning.
The next day he committed his troops to Pickett's Charge, the biggest military blunder of his career.
It was the high watermark and the turning point of the battle of the Civil War.
So I told the people, we have another Christian.
We have another colonel.
We are here in proximity to Gettysburg.
We are on Little Roundtop.
And what happens in Little Roundtop in Arizona and in Georgia and in Pennsylvania is the Gettysburg battles that are going to determine the future of America.
And I said, let's pray to God right now that we will move in unity and not be intimidated by our enemies.
Put your hand up in the air on the count of three.
Father, I pray that you will grant to us unity and courage to move as one.
On the count of three, let's say as one.
One, two, three, as one.
Praying for Political Unity 00:08:43
That was what I said.
And I've done this a thousand times in different rallies.
But to people that are anxious to find the Nazi salute, they'll even put a Jewish person at the epicenter of it.
But it shows how absurd the tactics are.
And I say at a certain point, it's so bad, it's laughable.
And if it's laughable, it's a point of satire.
And we just got to lighten up and realize they're desperate.
Oh, they're desperate.
No, I love your approach.
It's whimsical and appropriate.
I'm just angrier than you are, Lance, because this stuff does end up manifesting in social media bans, in debanking campaigns.
And there are people that believe this balderdash, Lance.
Oh, this is the thing that gets me the craziest.
3.5 million people.
Now, here's the weird part.
You want to talk about mass psychology, mass formation psychology.
How could 3.5 million people read the transcript and listen to what I actually said?
Yes.
And conclude that it's a Nazi salute.
I'm even praying.
Oh, Father, we pray that you would grant us clergy up there as one.
Then what's even funnier is that Amish people.
You know, the Amish people are not exactly the most militant people.
It was probably one of the weakest as ones I've ever seen.
But for the Amish people, it was a big effort.
So, you know, I'm encouraging them.
But it doesn't matter.
People could hear the transcript.
They could read it.
And if they want to hear Nazi, even if Ben Shapiro, if they want to accuse Ben Shapiro of being a Nazi theft, they'll come up with it.
But that shows how bizarre they are.
And it's a lie.
And by the way, Twitter has not taken down that tweet.
It is disinformation.
It is misinformation.
It is artificial.
It is fake.
And it's up there with 3.6 million views.
It's reprehensible.
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How do you see things in the midterms?
And let me just, I think you're the best person to answer this.
We get some emails every so often, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Charlie loved the show.
But my friends, my community, my pastor says we shouldn't care about politics.
Lance, should Christians care about the midterm elections?
My gosh, what's the matter with us who are asking questions like that?
Christians care about politics.
I get these questions a lot, Lance, all the time.
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Lance, but Christians say all the time, Charlie, I don't want to get involved in politics.
I don't care about politics.
I just care about the gospel.
This is important.
We got a big Christian audience.
What do you say?
What do you say?
Yeah, let's get this straight, people.
So I heard you.
Actually, you gave me the great line, Charlie.
It's like, okay, you're not into politics.
Are you still into morality?
You need to get your Bible.
Are you into this anymore?
Are you into the biblical morality?
I mean, pick a sub, any page at all, pick a number, pick a number, any page.
Just give me some, give me some teaching from that book because the translation of it is: there are morals, there are ethics, there are values that we should be teaching, and that we should be a people.
You know what Jesus warned?
He warned that if we go in the direction these clergy are taking us, you will be despised and you will be trodden underfoot of men.
If you are not salt, if you're not an interesting, engaging, winsome, at times agitating contrast to the world around you, if you don't challenge the culture in an interesting way and get it thinking, they will despise you.
They will treat you as though you're irrelevant.
And that's part of the reason why I find this.
Listen, man, the way that they treat us now in the media, but then your show, you're covering stuff in some recent interviews you've done, like with Manaford.
Look at how they deal with our people from Mike Flynn to Manaford to Papadopoulos, Roger Stone, January 6th.
This is American citizens.
These pastors are shepherds.
Your job is to protect your flock.
You're not doing your job if you're not preparing them to civically engage and build a wall of protection around the people of faith.
You're a lousy shepherd if you're not protecting your church.
Amen.
So then they say, well, it's not clear which political party we should support, Lance.
It's clearly, and I just had this discussion with a biblical scholar, and I had to, I had that, actually, actually wasn't a biblical scholar, the BBC.
Forgive me for this.
You're a biblical scholar.
A complete son of a biblical scholar.
A complete gap in that connection.
But it was, I had the same conversation with a Bible scholar and the BBC.
Here's what they said.
How can you support Trump?
They always want to go to the candidate and the smearing tug.
Here's what I tell them.
I said, let's get it straight, people.
It starts with principles.
You've got to have a certain bedrock sense of principles that you believe in.
And then from principles comes policies.
Then from policies comes a platform.
And then from a platform comes an electable personality.
Everybody wants to start with Gavin Newsom looks so photogenic.
How shallow can you get?
You're voting for somebody because you like his hair gel.
What kind of a country are we going to have with people like this?
You start with the principles.
And the pastor has got to lay the principles and then talk about the policies that come out of Christian worldview.
And then which party has a platform that reflects the principles of a Christian worldview?
Charlie, if we can't get it, that's so simple.
It's three steps before you get to the debate about the personality.
Seems awfully clear.
What is your prediction of what's going to happen in November?
Well, you know how it happens.
So everybody gets all excited about the red tsunami.
And then when it doesn't come, they're all backpedaling.
Here's what I think.
I think like there's those 3.5 million people that are watching that stupid Twitter thing that's saying that I'm doing a Nazi salute, even though I'm part Jewish.
Here's what I think.
I think the left is just listening to themselves.
I believe that the Elon Musks and the Joe Rogans, I think there's a whole group out there that are a great canary in the coal mine in terms of where the independents and where the Democrats and where the non-politically aligned people are.
I think that they're coming out for us.
That's why the attack is so vicious and so foul right now to try to smear MAGA candidates.
The good news is nobody really respects media.
So as much as they talk, nobody's listening to them.
So I believe we're going to see a victory.
But we've got to look at the Senate.
We have to get the guy.
The House is there.
We've got to get the Senate.
We have to get these guys over the finish line, Charlie.
That's why I'm going out on the campaign trail and doing what I can do to help them.
Amen.
Lance Wannell, everybody.
Lance, you're welcome back anytime.
Thanks so much.
Love you, Charlie.
Thank you.
God bless you.
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Federal Censorship as Fraud 00:15:15
Joining us now is Darren Beattie from Revolver.news.
Darren, welcome back to the program.
Excellent to be back, as always.
So, Darren, thank you.
So, I want to talk to you about this one particular story.
Is it true that the federal beer investigation is misrepresenting what might be considered white supremacy arrests or incidents in their reports to make it seem as if there's a bigger problem than there actually is?
Walk us through this story.
Well, it certainly seems that way on the basis of whistleblower accounts.
And just to contextualize all of this, this alleged national security threat posed by white supremacy dates back to really the Trump presidency, where the DHS, the Department of Homeland Security, which is a national security bureaucracy set up in the aftermath of 9-11 to protect us against foreign terrorism, declared that white supremacy was the number one threat.
And since the DHS declared this, a number of other national security institutions have followed suit.
Now, evidently, the FBI is getting on board.
And the problem with white supremacy is there's just not the supply to meet the demand.
And so it has to be manufactured.
And it can be manufactured the kind of laborious way of actually setting up entrapment schemes like what we see the FBI did in the Michigan Whitmer case.
But the easier way to do it is just cook the books and manufacture the numbers and count certain things as white supremacist terror when they really have nothing to do with it to feed into the desired narrative.
The desired narrative being our number one threat is white supremacist terror.
And by that, they mean anyone who dares question immigration, anyone who's pro-Trump, anyone who's had enough of the corrupt and feckless Biden regime.
That's all white supremacy.
And they want to label us as domestic terrorists so they can continue to weaponize the entire machinery of our national security state against us.
And so that's really what's going on.
And I'm very glad that whistleblowers are starting to come out and expose the truth of just how dirty and corrupt these institutions like the FBI really are.
And so speaking of whistleblowers, and we made this point last week, which is every time you focus on issuing a subpoena to a Trump supporter, by definition, in a world of limited time, energy, and resources, you must allocate in a hierarchy of what you value.
You must then turn your back on something else or you must disregard something else.
We made a whole show on that last week, and it turns out we were totally right.
The FBI is moving agents off of child sex abuse cases to investigate domestic violent extremism.
So, Darren, the FBI is no longer allocating resources on child sex abuse, but they are allocating people on this idea of fake electors.
Walk us through this.
Well, yeah, I mean, it just stands to reason.
There's only a limited amount of time, a limited amount of resources, and it's all a question of prioritization.
And from the standpoint of a politicized and corrupt FBI, reinforcing the politically useful narrative of casting the enemies of the Democrats as national security threats is far more valuable use of their time than just routine policing of criminality, even the most heinous forms of criminality, such as child abuse.
And so just stands to reason.
The political objectives supersede all other objectives because it's through the political narrative that they maintain their power.
Yeah, so let's talk about how the FBI has and has a track record of and federal law enforcement of infiltrating groups.
You've done probably the best reporting on the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping situation.
Refresh our audience on that because I'm afraid that there might be a midterm intervention on behalf of federal law enforcement into MAGA groups to create something that is synthetic and artificial.
Your thoughts, Darren.
Absolutely.
And I have to commend you for your excellent op-ed that was running Revolver warning about this exact type of scenario.
I think the silver lining of the Michigan entrapment hoax operation, and just to refresh people's memories, this was the biggest story.
This is the biggest national security story in the country for a long time.
It was conveniently timed to coincide, like basically the month before the presidential election in November.
They arrested all of these so-called plotters around October, convenient political timing.
And it was the biggest domestic national security story in recent history.
And they said, oh, these domestic MAGA-adjacent terrorists are trying to kidnap and possibly murder the governor.
Well, it turns out, as we've learned through the course of the trial, that majority of these so-called plotters were either federal agents or federal informants.
And even more outrageously, every single critical step of this so-called plot was undertaken not by the alleged plotters, but by either the informants or the agents themselves.
And that goes from the meetings through which the people met each other, the suggestion that they use explosives, the instruction on how to manufacture explosives, giving them money in order to buy explosives, and they didn't even want to buy the explosives.
The culmination of the whole sordid affair, there's they're driving in a car, the driver of the car is a Fed, driving the defendant to another Fed who's an undercover explosive person.
And the defendants didn't even bring the amount of money that they would have needed in order to buy the explosives.
It's an important thing, though, Darren.
I want to just pause you for a second here that our audience needs to understand.
We're not defending people that might be involved in this stuff, but it buzzed by the question, Darren, would it have happened without the federal government's involvement?
I mean, I think in the specific case of the Michigan scenario, the answer is clearly no.
And I think it was right before an election, remember?
They did and they announced this, and then it all came out.
And so it does beg a question: are they currently provoking, infiltrating, instigating, or sometimes outright plotting and planning?
Darren, what is the law when it comes to the FBI?
Are they able to infiltrate anything for any time?
Do they have to disclose any of this?
I mean, this is why you've brilliantly been calling for kind of a church and pike committee equivalent.
We call it the Jordan Hawley Committee, kind of the Jim Jordan, Josh Hawley, which would be kind of a 2.0.
Darren, that's an example of how the FBI can make, it was a majority federal event.
It wasn't like it was one informant, right?
It'd be one thing, okay, if it was one guy and it was 30 cartel members or something and he's informing.
No, this is the plotting, the planning, the driving, the execution, the transportation, right?
And what's going on here?
Well, you're absolutely right.
I mean, entrapment is a very specific type of action.
Entrapment is not the feds having an agent or informant embedding himself in these groups and just quietly watching, seeing what they're doing and preventing something that could be catastrophic.
What entrapment is, is what happened in the Michigan case, which is proactive involvement to the degree that there wouldn't even be a plot to prevent had it not been for the active steps undertaken by feds and their informants, who have an absolute, the informants have an absolute financial incentive to do so, and the feds have a political incentive to do so.
Because again, as you're saying, the demand far exceeds the supply when it comes to not only white supremacist ideology, but also the types of so-called domestic terror threats that feed into the narrative that anyone who's adjacent to Trump needs to be crushed by the national security apparatus.
Yeah, and that's, I think, the most troubling development for a lot of conservatives because, Darren, there's this tension, and maybe you can walk us through this, the difference between local police and national police, is that we do like order.
We want things to be policed.
But now we're without a shadow of a doubt, this has now become a Soviet-style institution with a primary focus of exterminating political dissidents.
And so, Darren, can you help reconcile for some of our audience that's struggling with how do I support my local police?
How do I support the people that are doing a good job or not?
Or are they all bad versus this sort of operation at the top levels of the Bureau?
No, it's a great question.
And I mean, I think the tension really runs to a very deep and core level of the political psychology of the right, which, as you say, the right, unlike the left, which to be generous to the left, they like to think of themselves as criticizing corrupt institutions of authority.
I think that's very generous, Darren.
Whereas the right likes to think of itself as venerating just institutions of authority.
And so the question is: what do you do when these authoritative institutions have become not only corrupt, but actively hostile and weaponized against the right itself?
That's a very difficult position to be in.
I think part of the answer to that is that there's no fealty or loyalty or obligation owed to institutions as such.
We want to support what is right, what is just, and be against what is corrupt.
And insofar as the FBI is corrupt, we have to work against it.
Insofar as the local police are not corrupt, we support them.
And so what happens when an institution is so corrupt that it's basically not even salvageable, which could very well be the case for the FBI?
Well, then we have to get into the minutiae of, well, what do you do with a bureaucracy that's in that state?
And I had a conversation with Congressman Gates about this.
I think it's hard because the people with the sort of deep institutional knowledge that's required to really overhaul an institution like the FBI, the people with that level of institutional knowledge are typically on the wrong side of the battle here.
And there are a lot of people who just understand, oh, the FBI is corrupt.
Oh, the FBI is basically borderline illegitimate at this point.
It's functioning as a Gestapo for the Biden regime, the Democrats, and so forth.
All of that is mostly true, but it's the indignation is not enough.
I think to really do something meaningful, it requires a kind of expertise, institutional knowledge, a sensitivity to that ecology that exists within Washington, that economy of favors, IOUs, and leverage that you really need to get anything done on a deep level.
So, Darren, I don't know if you heard that list of five things of potential things Democrats could do to interrupt the midterm elections.
Do you have any thoughts on that January 6th committee report in looming indictments, ballots and mules, social media suppression and intervention, and also a federal event infiltrated MAGA groups?
Pick any one of the five if you want of what you think might be a big threat that could stop a looming red wave.
Well, I think all of those are a distinct possibility, and some of them feed into each other.
For instance, the very live possibility of an indictment of, say, Donald Trump could serve as a pretext for some kind of attack that the regime would then blame on MAGA supporters.
That's a very real scenario that I could see.
And of course, social media censorship is always not only a live possibility, but a very distinct reality that tends to experience acceleration in the immediate months before a major political event, as we saw the big censorship of the Hunter Biden story, which is the most notorious.
But there are many other examples.
And so that's always something to look out for.
That is, you know, it's funny, there's a lot of conversation about election fraud, and I think it's entirely legitimate and healthy to have that conversation.
But really, I think the extreme social media censorship and just how asymmetrical it is with respect to viewpoint, I think that in itself is really a version of election fraud that perhaps supersedes the more direct versions that we tend to talk about.
It makes it very difficult to have a broadly informed citizenry when the major platforms of mass communication are favoring so strongly one side over the other.
And so ultimately, this needs to be addressed.
There are some encouraging signs from a recent Court of Appeals decision that you might be aware of.
But it's a major problem.
It's a major bottleneck that has to be done.
Tell our audience about that Court of Appeals decision.
Yeah, so in a nutshell, Texas basically passed a law saying that social media companies of a certain size, I think it's over 50 million users, can't engage in certain forms of viewpoint-oriented censorship.
And that's gone through the courts.
There is, I think, a district court that put an injunction on it.
So stop the law.
The Supreme Court actually chimed in a couple months ago and said, okay, we're enjoining the law for now, meaning it doesn't, it's not taken into effect.
Interestingly enough, Elena Kagan was actually on the good side, and Barrett and Kavanaugh were on the bad side, at least insofar as that specific injunction goes.
Now, most recently, there was an actual opinion in the Court of Appeals based in New Orleans, I think it's the Fifth Circuit, basically upholding the law.
And so the decision itself was very sound.
It reflects a lot of the things that we've been saying in terms of: look, you know, if you're basically a common carrier, if you're of a certain size, if you play such a role in mass communication, then it's entirely legitimate for a state to pass a law of this sort, given the way that the internet is already regulated.
But really, it's going to come down to the Supreme Court, which is going to take the case.
Supreme Court Immigration Ruling 00:01:32
And I expect that while the Supreme Court is hearing it, there's going to be this injunction reinstated.
So the law won't be in effect either way until the Supreme Court makes the decision.
But hopefully the Supreme Court will follow the reasoning expressed in the Court of Appeals decision.
And if the Supreme Court actually does the right thing on this, which is a big if, now keep in mind, Kavanaugh and Barrett were not on the right side as far as the specific injunction goes.
That's right.
Maybe they've had the time to reconsider.
Maybe they've had the chance to look at the reasoning in the appeals court decision and have been persuaded by it.
I think they can be.
And by the way, I don't want to pick just on Kavanaugh and Barrett.
Sometimes Gorsuch is bad.
Gorsuch was really bad on this.
Hugely.
Yeah, we've written about him too.
Yeah, it's all over the map.
They all have their issues.
And Kavanaugh is actually the best on immigration.
Gorsuch, wildly awful on immigration, but Gorsuch has actually been pretty good on this particular issue.
We'll see.
But no one, they all pale in comparison to Clarence Thomas and Alito.
They have been fabulous, terrific, and courageous.
Darren Red of Time, Revolver.news.
Really great summary.
Great job as always.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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