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Sept. 16, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
36:45
The History of Really Horrible Ideas with Michael O'Fallon
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The Great Reset Explained 00:02:45
Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk show, Michael O'Fallon from Sovereign Nations on an incredibly important conversation, intellectually stimulating about the great reset, woke as a World Economic Forum, Hegelianism, post-modernism, post-structuralism, hermeneutics, and Gnosticism.
Don't worry, we define all those words because I actually needed some of them defined as well.
It's been a while since I've talked about hermeneutical interpretation of the scriptures, so I was a little rusty.
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Hello, everybody.
I'm Charlie Kirk, and this is Morpheus.
It's Michael O'Fallon.
Michael, welcome to the program.
Thank you.
It's good to be here.
Introduce yourself to our audience.
Mike O'Fallon, I founded Sovereign Nations back in 2017.
I think really after a long, many years of frustration and trying to get others, including my clients, to oppose what was going to be happening in this world.
All over the world, basically, what you're looking at is a loss of national sovereignty.
You're looking at a loss of your own individual sovereign rights.
You're looking at a loss of the ability to have volitional control of your movement.
A loss of cognitive liberty.
So it's those things that we really had to come up and challenge.
So we founded our organization back in 2017.
At the first conference, we had someone who no one had ever heard of by the name of Dr. Jordan Peterson.
You know, no one had known him at the time, and I had him come and speak and some others that had participated as well.
But we took this on, and it's happening basically what you're looking at.
Vatican II and Cognitive Liberty 00:02:50
And when we define the great reset, we're looking at basically a long march through the institutions, as Rudy Deutschke would recall.
And Rudy Deutschke is the German Marxist from many years ago.
And as well, that Herbert Marcusa would say that, yes, Deutsche's concept of long march through the institutions is what is necessary.
So, and that basically happened at the same time, the founding of what would be called, then later on, the World Economic Forum.
So, the founding of the World Economic Forum with kind of the reconstitution of what was going to be happening with the United Nations, what was happening post-Vatican II within the Roman Catholic Church, what was happening with the World Council of Churches, what's happening with all of these different movements, both within Democrats, within Republicans,
basically making a shift back to more of a progressive mindset, especially after Bretton Woods II, is that you had a pathway that would be taking our nation and our world and Western civilization to basically resetting, if you will.
And so, that's something that I've been aware of for quite a long time.
And I've been trying to resist the best I possibly can for the past eight to nine years.
So, there's a lot there to unpack.
So let's go back to what you talk about like post-Vatican II, kind of in this area, you know, this kind of period of time.
What was it about that period of time, Marcuse, you know, that really things started to become, you started to see institutions pop up around this kind of globalist point of view?
Well, if you take a look back to that time period, we're talking about between the early 60s, the mid-60s, and the late 60s, it had several different things that were happening at the same time.
Number one, you were in a post-Stalin era in Russia.
You had a change within what was happening within Marxism and communism throughout the world, both internationally within Vietnam, within Central America, within South America, within different parts of Africa, and so forth.
And then as well, you had within Vatican, the Vatican II situation, which was happening within the Roman Catholic Church, you had kind of a reimagining of the faith.
The Synod of the Catacombs that took place just at the beginning of Vatican II.
And that's with Dom Helda Kamara, with many others, where basically they were intentionally trying to move the church, the Roman Catholic Church, to understand it as a faith of the oppressed, which then that theme generatively is then reconstituted within someone by the name of Paulo Ferreri, which a good friend of ours named Dr. James Lindsay has been hitting that quite a bit lately.
And Paulo Ferreri would write the book, The Pedagogy of the Oppressed, and then as well, The Politics of Education.
And in chapter 10 of the Politics of Education, you would see Paulo Ferrere start to basically introduce everyone to the concept that basically what this is is a catechesis or a teaching of these things, not just through education, but as well, you need faith too.
Penetrating Global Cabinets 00:10:26
So you have the public private partnership between the World Economic Forum, governments of the world.
You have the World Economic Forum beginning to penetrate the cabinets with young men and women that are trained in these things.
We must penetrate the cabinets.
You do that very well.
Actually, it's kind of scary.
But you have this occurring.
And so you have this happening, penetrating the cabinets within government institutions, penetrating the cabinets within shareholders, penetrating the cabinets within corporations, penetrating the cabinets within educational institutions, penetrating the cabinets within hierarchical ecclesial institutions as well.
Not just Christianity, but every major religion.
So all of this is happening at the same time to create your march through the institutions.
What is the ideology behind globalism?
This is something that most people struggle to articulate or understand.
What do they want?
Well, I mean, in many ways, you're kind of, once again, you could go back to Hermeticism and Gnosticism again.
What are those things?
Well, basically, you're looking, Hermeticism is, if you're familiar with the Greek legend of Pygmalion, it's once again, the concept of changing something that was into something that is not.
And then you're still calling it that it is without its actual properties making a change.
So, in other words, in basic alchemy, you decide.
I was going to say, it sounds like alchemy.
Yes, that's what it is.
So, with alchemy, you're taking, let's say, some metals of some sort, and you're going through this process.
And on the other end, because you've made it now look shiny and yellow, then you're saying, look, that's gold.
But it really doesn't have those properties.
So, with Hermeticism and Gnosticism, Gnosticism is basically looking at what is the physical, right?
What's around us here?
This is evil.
And what we have to do is we have to transition into the spiritual.
So, from the demiurge, the physical, the evil, the bad, into the spiritual, the Sophia wisdom, the pistisophia, and so forth, we must go here.
And over here within the spiritual, this is all good, and it's away from the things that constrain us.
So, in essence, that's liberation.
So you're liberating into the gnosis, the gnosis of making that happen, which now today can be seen as what's happening as we transition from an analog physical world into a digital world and from an objective world of truth, of solidity into a subjective world.
So that's one thing.
You have Gnosticism and Hermeticism, basically a dialectical combination of both.
And then you're basically transitioning as well into where Hegel would understand to be the perfect state.
And the perfect state, of course, in his understanding of theology and the immunotization of the eschaton, which means the coming of the end things, the final things, would be the state and the perfected state.
And then Marx as well, in his dialectical understanding of materialism, would basically say, yes, the state is the thing, and would push out a lot of the metaphysical side of these things.
But you have later on this kind of picking up on this idea that we need to have a gradualistic move towards this Marxian concept, this Hegelian concept of moving towards this kind of socialistic state.
Folks like the Fabians, which then would be the London School of Economics and the Labour Party in Great Britain, would kind of transition as well into our Democratic Party as well as into the Progressive Republicans here in the United States.
You would have this begin to take place in education.
You would see this happening within ecclesial realms through Walter Rauschenbush and the Brotherhood of the Kingdom, which were Baptists, by the way.
They were Baptists that believed in a social gospel.
And much of that then has meticulated itself through different faiths along the way.
So there's one word I want to focus on here, and that is history.
When you hear them talk about history, and they love using that term history throughout their language or their speeches, how history will judge us.
We're part of history.
What do they mean by that?
Well, when you take a look at the way that the Marxists would understand history, the way that those that are part of this Gnosis language is, what is history is what we make it to be.
History is not what is, it is what is becoming.
It's unfolding.
It's going towards something.
Correct.
It's coming to it.
But it also means that when you take a look at the past, is that when you're looking in the past, it's not necessarily what it was, it's what it should be.
So everything is changeable.
So we're always beginning to make this, again, this alchemical transition into what something should be.
That's what they mean by history.
And you see it in Stalin's language.
You see it in Mao's language, a constant refrain back to history.
And that really was one of Hegel's major contributions, which was a certain way of viewing history, which he would obviously call the dialectic.
And you have the thesis and the antithesis, and you create a synthesis, which is through this albeit messy combination of events, we're barreling towards something that could be described as utopia, but it's much deeper than that, isn't it?
Yes, absolutely.
And that would be the idea of, yes, making this creation.
And so what you're doing is you're making reflexive statements, is you're saying what something should be.
And the current administration that we have in office right now does a wonderful job of that.
We're here with Michael O'Fallon.
We're going to talk more about what we would call wokeism, and then we're going to dive deep into how these idea pathogens have been able to find their way into seminaries, into churches, much deeper than I think most people realize.
Michael O'Fallon from Sovereign Nations, very important organization.
He's speaking this weekend at our great reset event here in Phoenix, Arizona.
We'll be right back.
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Okay, Michael, we were talking a little bit about history and deconstructionism.
For a lot of our audience, they're busy.
They're bringing their kids to soccer practice.
They're working.
They don't have as much time to dive into these ideas as much.
Can you just build out a little bit why all of these philosophical debates have real-world implications, especially when it comes to the World Economic Forum?
Because the way the World Economic Forum and the Great Reset has described at times is nothing more than money-grubbing, power-hungry people.
But the argument you're making is that there's actually an ideological and a philosophical zeal to these people, which I think actually makes them far more dangerous.
Right.
And I think just ask yourself this question, those of you that are listening right now, is that when you think of them and people are referring to the World Economic Forum as, well, they're just a big bunch of billionaires and they're money-grumming and so forth.
It's like, no, actually, they have money, but they're ideologically driven.
So as opposed to the old-style communists that were poor and huddled in basements and so forth, instead, these have become the captains of tech.
They're the Gulfstream Marxists.
Yes.
Well, and they're the ones that basically have taken advantage of financial institutions and so forth.
But then all of a sudden, the ideas that are coming out of them seem to be somewhat unified.
Isn't that odd?
And so as you're part of the World Economic Forum, and if you take a look at almost every major corporation that we have, is that, well, if your intention was money and that was your main concern, well, why are the major oil and gas companies disrupting and dismantling their operations and making themselves less profitable?
Why would the major motor companies of the world start disrupting and dismantling their production and for two years almost stop producing cars?
Well, you see, we had a microchip problem.
Oh, you're willing to take a $900 billion loss for a microchip problem.
Really?
Would you be, let's say, if you're someone who is involved with the production of food, start to create issues and problems that would end up with the trouble of being able to distribute food and even create food for people?
Well, that would be something that would be contrary to what your stated goals if you're someone who is concerned about fulfilling your obligations to your shareholders.
So there's something else going on.
And part of this is probably a luxury belief.
They're so rich, they're so powerful that it becomes fashionable to embrace some of these ideas.
But it goes deeper than that.
These are true believers in a Hegelian, secular, humanist unfolding of history agenda.
And whether it be climate change, diversity, equity, inclusion, environmental, sustainable governance, all these different things, that they look at themselves as an instrument of history to achieve what?
And that's really what I want to try to zero in on before we get to some of the other topics.
What does success look like for them?
Well, success looks like for them as a top-down technocratic oligarchical rule.
Isn't that what we have?
It's kind of was a plutocracy for a while.
And there's elements of that too, because what you could basically say is where we would look at the spreading of a virus, right?
And the virus issues that we just went through over the past two years is that before the virus actually took place in 2019, 2020, and the spread of the virus and so forth, is that for years in laboratories, you had gain of function, basically making the virus more communicable, making it better, making it more resilient and so forth.
So what you have right now are ideologies and what we've gone through is an ideological governmental gain of function.
So now you don't just have fascism.
You don't just have communism.
You have enviro communo fascism.
That's exactly right.
It's a blend of all three.
Enviro Communo Fascism 00:02:39
Yeah.
So it's very, very, it's gain of function in terms of how it actually works.
So you'd be looking at like a government like China, like Justin Trudeau.
You know, he looks across the sea at China and goes, oh, if I could only be just like that.
And so they are envious of China, aren't they?
Oh, absolutely.
Hey, look, they've already got a red flags that are on their way.
But, you know, you take a look at what they have.
And, you know, where Justin Trudeau is going is basically thinking that, okay, I need to become China.
And this idea that's been circulating through the state in the United States of America is that to beat China, we need to become China, in essence.
And of course, for the past 50, 60 years, been trying to help China become what they are now.
So almost like any Alinskyite formula that you would have over the past 70 years, you go in and start the fire.
And then you're the ones that comes and says, okay, we're here to put out the fire.
But I think there is this very interesting analysis here where it's the difference of being and becoming.
Yeah.
And that's how they view humanity and where we would much more look at the being of a person.
Who are you?
How are you made?
They look at becoming.
Now, of course, somebody wrote a book called Becoming Something.
It wasn't Michelle Obama.
Yeah, it was Michelle Obama.
Becoming Michelle Obama.
But that's a very important word that we must be on our way.
The progress, the revolution, the journey will never stop, right?
Whereas we say, wait a second, being itself, biblical idea, be still and know that I am God.
That's a much different way of viewing your existence than kind of tumbling through towards some unspecified objective.
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Faith Under Threat 00:15:43
Can you talk about the difference between being and becoming?
Well, being, when we talk about a state of being, it is something that is.
Very Aristotelian.
Correct.
And so when you're taking a look at something that is, it's solid and so forth, something that is becoming is something that is always fungible.
So there's never any stop in the process of actually stopping at being.
So it's always becoming, it's something that's perpetual.
It's constantly metamorphosizing.
Correct.
Yes.
Brilliant.
But yes, that's absolutely correct.
And so, you know, when you're looking at this becoming and the state of becoming, which is, I believe, the state that they're wanting to put the United States of America right now, many forces want to put us in that kind of state of becoming, is that we're always shifting.
And if you'd notice this, if you just think about how life has been since, let's say, about those of you that are old enough to remember going back to the 90s to now, is that it seems as if the ground underneath your feet is always shifting.
The tectonic plates of our civilization are always moving.
There's never an opportunity to slow down and say, okay, we're in a good place.
Honey, let's go look and see if we can invest in this or let's buy this properly.
Let's do this because we know that this will be the thing that will happen in our trajectory.
Which, if you think about the reason that a lot of wars were fought in the past, it is to then have that state of shalom, that state of peace.
You know, that, okay, now we have solidity.
We know where we are.
Let's go.
Well, that's never the case now.
It's always moving.
It's always shifting.
And so there's always a crisis that's being created at all times.
I mean, Joe Biden is creating another crisis.
We got to take care of this.
We got to stop it now.
Whatever the teleprompter is telling him to say.
And that means that then, of course, everything has to shift again, whether it be oil and gas, whether it be education, whether it be a new foreign war that we have to fight.
Everything always moves and changes.
So let's shift gears a little bit here.
One of your passion projects, in fact, one of the projects you're most focused on and honestly most qualified to talk about is how these ideas, let's just use the filler term wokeism, CRT, deconstructionism, postmodernism, have found their way in the American church.
How serious of a threat is this?
It's the most serious threat to the church since the invasion of Islam.
That's how serious it is.
It's more serious even during the development of the church when you take a look back at the end of the second century, beginning of the third century of Valentinian Gnosticism that had come into Christianity, begin to populate it with the pseudopigraphical gospels, the apocryphal gospels, and so forth, the Thunderpotentia, Pisa Sophia, you know, infancy gospel of James, all these.
It's that much of a threat.
But the problem is here, it's not just a threat to faith.
It's everything, everywhere at the same time.
So as this has become a threat in faith, in the same time, it's become the threat in education.
In the same time, it's become the threat in our politics.
In the same time, it's become a threat in our legal institutions.
In the same time, it's become a threat everywhere because this parasitic thing called wokeism that means, again, a complete transformation of everything into something else.
First, it has to kill what was, and then it basically replicates what that thing was for a while until it becomes something else completely transformational.
There's that becoming word again.
That's correct, Joey.
Okay, so greatest threat to the church since the invasion of Islam.
Yes.
So how deep, how widespread is this threat in the American church?
It's absolutely everywhere.
If you take a look at every single major institution, and let's go, you know, almost beyond the pale of orthodoxy.
Let's go to every Protestant denomination, every charismatic Pentecostal denomination, every Roman Catholic, Orthodox, you know, et cetera, and then every faith.
Let's go into modern Islam.
Let's go into Buddhism and so forth.
It has infiltrated everything this thought.
So what is the is?
You said it has.
What is that thing?
Let's describe it a little bit more.
Well, basically, what it is, is, again, this kind of has its roots in a Marxian kind of theology, a Hegelian move, if you will.
If you want to go far back, yes, it has its roots in Gnosticism.
Once again, it's this idea that you're playing the oppressed-oppressor game in almost everything, and you're approaching everything that is within your faith structure.
You know, I don't know what denomination you're a part of or what faith tradition, but everything that must be looked at with a critical lens.
So, everything is wrong and must be changed.
We must become something else if we're to be faithful to God, if we're to be faithful to humanity.
So, this kind of change, and you know, a lot of the tools that are used are the same ones we've been talking about for years, which are critical race theory, intersectionality, critical pedagogy, all these different things: deconstructionism, postmodernism.
And basically, that is deconstruction.
So, you know, in the Derridian, Jacques Derrida, the French postmodernist, this concept of deconstruction, critical race theory, basically it goes to the building that's been built and it places all the explosives in the building and blows up, bloats it up, and it goes to the ground.
And what intersectionality does, this idea of post-deconstruction, you start this reconstruction and building it back up again, but now you use post-modern architecture and you build it upside down in strange shapes that don't even look like they can hold together.
Yeah, well, it's very easy for an eight-year-old to take apart a bike, not so easy to put it back together.
That's right.
Yeah, they've been thinking about these things for years.
And just like our economic structures, everything has to fit into systems.
So, as you're building an entirely new system for everything in the world, you have to then, with everything in the world, make sure that it can be a cog in the wheels of that new system.
So, faith has to fit just like the corporate world has to fit, just like health has to fit within that structure.
So, can you give one or two examples of what this looks like in practice?
How does this manifest?
What is a pastor, what do you see when he's like, oh, wow, they're engaging in this, a poster, a banner, a sermon, a t-shirt?
What does it look like when it's implemented?
Well, you'll hear things such as, let's say, a lot of the pastors that are involved with groups like the Gospel Coalition, which is a dialectical machine.
It's been taking what was and it's becoming something else through this process of creating the dialectic, the thesis, antithesis, synthesis, problem, reaction, solution.
So, what they'll say is, you know what?
Christians just can't vote like Christians used to vote before.
This was something you heard all the time in 2015, 2016, 2017, up to 2020, is that Christians just can't vote because we have to look at there being more issues to the Christian life than just one issue, which they would say would be abortion.
So, they would say, well, look, also, you know, taking care of the immigrant is a pro-life issue.
Making sure that we take care of the poor is a pro-life issue.
So, all of a sudden, everything becomes a pro-life issue as opposed to actually what pro-life was meant to mean.
So, then you start moving down these roads where all of a sudden the things that you thought you knew were important in the church, well, all of a sudden, it transitions to social justice, that these things become more important about really seeing the issues with the oppressed and how, you know, you as a Christian can't, you can't ignore these issues, that all of a sudden you yourself are only focused upon, you know, your monetary, your wealth, you're taking care of your own family.
Well, we have to take care of all families now.
So, there becomes this collectiveness that starts to happen.
And as well, you start moving away from what has been the historic Orthodox faith.
So, as opposed to being born again, you now have being woke.
So, you have books like Woke Church that were written by Pastor Eric Mason, and which the Ford was written by Legan Duncan, the head of Reformed Theological Seminary and Gospel Coalition board member.
You have this idea of really this canon of scripture.
So all of a sudden, they're asking you to start reading, start begin reading new things like Robin DiAngelo's white fragility, things from Jamar Tisbee and so forth, because what they're trying to do is they're trying to give you a new lens to view everything through for Christianity.
That's where it goes.
The Christian world should be in the ideal so resistant to this because it is...
The entire tradition of the faith is built on the inerrancy of scripture and the uncompromising views of truth.
How is it that all of a sudden that this pathogen has been able to latch on so successfully in a religion that's supposed to be not compromising of using secular lenses?
How did this happen?
Well, I mean, you think about it in years past, right?
Is that the way that liberalism would attack the church is it would attack inerrancy, you know, and so forth.
What this has done, this new movement, is it says, oh, we agree that the Bible is inerrant, but they will attack its sufficiency.
So instead of inerrancy, they say, well, but the problem is, is your mode of interpretation.
So your hermeneutic or the way that you look and understand and explain the Bible is wrong because, see, Charlie, you're seeing it through male, white, privileged eyes.
If you see the Bible through the eyes of someone who is oppressed, someone who is African-American, someone who is Latino, someone who is homosexual, someone who is of less means than you.
Trans or whatever.
Yeah.
So then all of a sudden you're going to see that those words, those meanings change drastically.
So what we need to do is make sure that we get all of these truths, these different standpoints.
Now all of a sudden we need to create a standpoint hermeneutic.
Hermeneutic, remind us what that is.
Correct.
So a hermeneutic is the way that you understand what the Bible actually means.
So that process that you go through to find out, no, what did the original author's intent really mean by this?
Well, now it's going to be, well, you can't understand that because of the fact that God speaks through the oppressed peoples of the world.
That's really where it goes.
So it's going to be the same thing that you're dealing with now in regards to constitutional law.
Would you consider this to be blasphemy?
Oh, absolutely.
It's heresy.
It's absolute heresy.
Because some of the things that you end up developing within your church is all of a sudden, now you have church that unfortunately is being carved out to be somehow welcoming to all these different concepts or standpoints as opposed to what we know to be the consistent word of God in our confessions.
All these different frames, all these different lenses, all these different processes.
And most Christians have no idea that's what's really happening.
Correct.
They say, well, what's wrong with that?
I mean, come on.
Of course, I want to look at the Bible through the lens of a handicapped trans person from Nicaragua.
Correct.
Why not?
And so once again, you're going back to Paula Ferrere and Dom Helder Kamara, the red bishop.
It's the same thing.
This all comes from the same root, and it's been populated throughout the Roman Catholic faith.
Liberation theology, yeah.
Well, liberation theology, but looking through everything through the eyes of the oppressed.
So you're creating generative themes that everybody must follow in order to be able to understand what scripture actually means.
And what you thought that it means is not what it really meant.
It's fascinating.
We're going to talk about what we could do to fight this and what an everyday person could do to combat this.
I guarantee you, somebody listening to this right now has a pastor or has somebody in their church that is parroting this garbage.
Yes.
Amen.
And it might take you, you might have to ruffle a couple feathers.
Michael, what can we do to push back against this and defeat this incredibly, at times, overwhelming threat?
Well, the first thing I would say for everyone that's listening out there is that you have to prepare yourself well first.
There's a lot of resources that are out there right now that I would suggest.
Charlie has written a good book on the great reset.
I would say Dr. James Lindsay, I think, wrote the best, most comprehensive work on what's actually happening with critical racism.
Race Marxism.
It's called Race Marxism.
Yeah, so we're actually going to buy a bunch of copies at Turning Point and do a big giveaway thing.
I need to talk to him about it, you know, but I think it's so important it gets to people's hands.
Absolutely.
I would think.
Possibly, you know, if you have the opportunity to, and I don't want to take you away from Charlie's podcast, because there's one podcast you want to listen to, it's Charlie's.
Well, thank you.
You can plug whatever you want.
It's Sovereign Nations.
No, you should.
It's a very important podcast.
We've been doing these things as well.
Dr. Lindsay and I do a number of things together talking about these issues, about what's happening within the church.
But understanding, you have to educate yourself first.
So there's some personal responsibility that goes along with defeating this thing.
It's almost like we're in an ideological war right now, ideological and theological.
And so you are pressed into service right now.
You're part of the forces that we need to be able to take this on.
Yeah.
So what I tell people, and you just articulate it better than I do, which is if you spend time educating yourself and reading about this, it actually is very comforting in the sense you know what you're up against.
You can start to see potential vulnerabilities in the opposition.
I think most people are uneasy because they don't quite understand everything they're up against.
There are exceptions to that.
There are people that email us that have read everything I've recommended and they get more anxious because they see how deep and how widespread it is.
So can you speak to that a little bit?
Yeah.
And I think one thing you can do with your anxiousness, quite honestly, is then talk to your pastor about it.
If your pastor is involved with this, after you've actually prepared yourself, and you have to be willing to say that you're willing to break with community.
And that's the toughest part of this, is being willing to say, look, what my community was, it is no longer.
It is transformed, is in the state of being.
Metamufe is the Greek word.
Metamufe.
So we're moving into something else.
So it is no longer what I actually dedicated myself to when I became a member of this church, of this body, of this denomination.
So as that's happening, I need to make sure that I position myself someplace else where there are faithful believers that I can trust, as opposed to taking my family to the same church where I hear this nonsense where they're programming your children.
They're programming your family.
That's really what's going on right now, to start to look at the Bible from a different way, to start to look at our nation from a different way.
And it's the same thing that's happening with so many that would call themselves conservative, but are really not conservatives that you've had to challenge and so forth through the years and be able to call them out.
Well, that all of a sudden means that Charlie's making a break in community and he's sort of, well, he's that radical and so forth.
He's not part of what we're doing here in the establishment.
And Charlie's like, yeah, you're right.
I'm not.
You know, and where he's able to, where he wrote about in the college scam, where he's saying, you know, possibly one of the best things that you could do as a young person is not go to college.
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That's correct.
Because then you're going to be indoctrinated with all this stuff.
So prepare yourself, prepare yourself to talk to your pastors.
Prepare yourself, if necessary, to leave.
And then also, if you're in a position of leadership, use that position of leadership to eradicate this nonsense.
If you are on an elder board, if you are running a business, don't tolerate this.
The time is now to start to make stands and to excommunicate these ideas.
Right.
And so, Michael, sometimes they'll say, well, we don't want to be against book banning.
And we want to, you've heard this argument against CRT bans.
How do you respond to that?
Well, I mean, we're not banning the book forever from anywhere, but we're just saying don't bring your intellectual pornography into our schools.
Okay?
That which will corrupt that, Connor, write that down.
Intellectual pornography.
That which will actually just rip apart your family, rip apart your church, rip apart our society, rip apart our governments, rip apart your children's future.
And it's such a silly argument, right?
It's like saying, well, you know, when they go through the lunchline, you have to give them the option of arsenic.
Yes.
Milk or arsenic.
Actually, no, we're not going to do that because we love our children.
We're not going to let them consume awful idea pathogens.
Do we, in science class, do we teach them, well, we have to have the flat earth theory today?
Or do we do bloodletting in biology?
Correct.
Or do we have the previous belief that the earth was the center of our galaxy?
No, actually, we don't entertain those because they've been disproven.
Right.
So there are certain ideas, regardless if they've been published, that should be repudiated and rejected.
That's right.
Email us freedom at charliekirk.com.
Michael O'Fallon.
Michael, too bad we're out of time, but you have a great speech coming up this weekend at our great reset event.
Yes, if you have not already purchased your tickets, please go to Turning Point and make sure that you're there.
It's going to be amazing.
And millions of people will watch it online.
The online is going to be even bigger.
Reset.tpusa.com.
Michael, see you soon.
Thank you.
Thank you.
See you guys tomorrow.
Appreciate it.
Thanks.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always.
Freedom at CharlieKirk.com.
Thanks so much for listening.
God bless.
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