A Defense of British Colonialism? With Prof. Bruce Gilley
In the days after Queen Elizabeth II’s unfortunate passing, Charlie discusses what the world will look like without her 70 year reign, and he dives into the history of what the world looked like when she took the throne compared to the world she left. Things changed drastically throughout her lifetime, and Charlie brings on Professor Bruce Gilley to make the case for British colonization that may be polarizing, but is important to clear the air on the impact the British Monarchy has had. Next, Charlie welcomes on friend of show and Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton on the program to clarify some confusing waters surrounding state law suits and the rules Attorney General’s have to adhere to— even when everything can be going to hell in a hand basket in that state.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Colonialism's Hidden Benefits00:10:00
Hey everybody, is colonialism a good thing?
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Everyone heard the news yesterday.
Queen Elizabeth passed away.
She was a stoic, wise, and phenomenal leader in public life for 70 years, never had a misstep, never had a scandal.
She loved her country, and she saw she entered one world, and when she passed away, it was a completely different world.
Her passing, of course, has basically had every single apparatchic on social media, not every single one, but a lot of the apparatchiks on social media say that she was representing a genocidal colonialist empire, all this nonsense, which I think actually opens an opportunity for us to defend British colonialism.
This is a contrarian take.
This is something that you will not hear on a college campus, but I think it's time to lean in and defend our friends across the pond.
And no better person to help us do this than someone who has published extensively on this topic, actually has published a piece, The Case for Colonialism, a response to my critics by Professor Bruce Gilly.
And he joins us right now.
Professor, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Hi, Charlie.
It's great to be here.
So, Professor, walk us through your argument, the case for colonialism.
That is a thought crime to say in decent and public society today.
As we remember the Queen of England and her passing, it seems appropriate to talk about the British Empire.
Why is colonialism something that we should defend?
All the empirical data shows very clearly that if you were colonized, in particular, if you were colonized by the British, and the longer they colonized you and the more intensely they colonized you, the more you are likely to be democratic, developed, stable, law-abiding, and free society today.
The empirical evidence is a slam dunk, and there's no doubt about it.
There's lots of things I've put out there showing this.
Nobody really debates that, but of course, the critics are all from the Faculty of Film Studies and flower design.
So they don't actually have the capability to understand facts and data.
But if you're on the social science side, like I am, you know, it's this dirty secret.
We all know this, but nobody's allowed to admit it because, as you say, that's a thought crime on campus.
The second reason is not just was it good, but the people knew it was good and it was legitimate.
And the reason colonialism, especially British colonialism, survived and thrived as long as it did is because it was essentially carried out by the colonized, not by the British.
There were a few white guys hanging around, but most of the colonial police, officials, legislators, judges were the people in the colonies themselves.
And they knew from their own pasts that life had got immeasurably better once the British arrived.
And the tragedy, of course, is it got immeasurably worse as soon as the British left.
So there is almost an incantation that exists on these campuses, Berkeley.
I know that you're up at Portland State, wherever I speak, they will always revert back to colonialist rule and the massacring of indigenous people.
That is not the case of the British Empire.
They might be conflating it with other empires, maybe, you know, conquests or attempts of the Portuguese or the Spanish.
But the British were very benign.
In fact, they did everything they possibly could to institute the rule of law, habeas corpus, respect for the individual.
Tell our audience about the legacy that the British Empire left and really helped develop the modern world as we know it.
Yeah, so I mean, on the question of violence, of course, what they do is they say, well, any form of colonialism is itself evil.
Therefore, every time a British policeman in Kenya arrests a thief, that's genocidal because that's violence, right?
So they don't make a distinction between justified and legitimate use of force, like with a police or counter-terrorist operations, which the British had a lot of.
They had a lot of that because there were a lot of elite traditionalists who liked to engage in slave raiding and plundering and enslavement of other tribes.
And they didn't like the fact that the British imposed this civic institutions on these places because it basically deprived them of their traditional prerogatives.
So what the British did in these places was not only create the civic institutions, the rule of law, the property rights, the equal access to the political system, the expansion of rights, especially for minorities and women, right?
They were the big beneficiaries here.
But, you know, at a more fundamental level, the British created these nations.
So when people say they colonized us, it's a joke because there was no us until the British came.
There were a bunch of internecine slaving feuds going on, or you were actually in the hands of another alien empire that wasn't the white man, but it was much worse.
So when people say they colonized us, it's not correct.
They colonized the territory and created you as a nation.
And places like Kenya and Nigeria are Kenya and Nigeria because the British were there.
So a counter argument people would say is that we can't even have a conversation, and you kind of alluded to this, to the fruits of benign or benevolent colonialism, because colonialism itself is an act of aggression.
This is such a sloppy argument because it ignores the fact that every major power prior to the British Empire tried to become an empire themselves.
I mean, this was the goal.
This was the ambition.
This was in the kind of muscle memory of leaders from Alexander the Great to Julius Caesar.
It's what you did.
You conquered lands and you tried to benefit the motherland.
Britain went about it a different way, where they said, okay, we're going to build an empire, but there is a through line here where we're going to try to respect local traditions, but also bring in a philosophy and a thought process that actually might improve these parts of the world.
Can you talk about how these people that say, oh, colonialism is awful and terrible, it's the same sort of sloppy argument that they use towards slavery, where they ignore that every single mass power prior to the British Empire participated in much more brutal colonialism than them, but it was the British Empire that actually changed it.
Please, please elaborate on that.
Yeah, so you're absolutely right.
I mean, slavery and empire are the norm in human history.
And every society, especially African societies, were endemic for being slaving and empire building.
I mean, all of Southern Africa is basically an empire of the Bantu who now claim that they're the indigenous peoples.
It was the Bantu who kicked the Afrikaners out of South Africa, which is kind of a joke because the Bantu themselves had come in and systematically exterminated the indigenous peoples of South Africa.
But they claimed they were being colonized by the Afrikaners.
So, yes, empire and slavery are the norms in human civilization.
Along come the British and to some extent, the French and the Dutch in this kind of early 19th century.
And what's happening is these countries themselves are starting to develop these classic liberal norms about individual rights, about property rights, about political participation, about accountability, about freedoms and whatnot.
And they can't help but share those ideas with their colonies.
Indeed, you know, their argument is we're not racists.
And the evidence that we're not racist is we think everyone can benefit from these same institutions, right?
I mean, colonialism, in my mind, was the greatest anti-racist program in world history because it was the first time any empire said, we think everybody has the potential to benefit from the excellent institutions we've developed.
So the kind of dilemma of colonialism was it was essentially a self-liquidating enterprise is that once you start spreading those ideas and those institutions, it's going to be natural that those people are going to start taking an interest in their own self-government.
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Well, that was the plan all along.
And that's what happened in this country.
And it happened in all those colonial countries too.
And so when Queen Elizabeth comes to power, I mean, the fruits of British colonialism are ripening as these places develop this desire for self-government.
Well, that was the plan all along.
And that's the greatest testament to British colonialism.
I want to talk about the significance and the importance of this argument because a lot of the radical revolutionary fervor is built on this false premise.
Because they say, if colonialism, therefore, reparations, property confiscation, therefore we can disentangle ourselves from Western tradition.
So it's very important that we have a focused argument here.
It's not just some sort of academic debate.
It has political implications.
It has civilizational implications.
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In the higher levels of academia that has now, of course, kind of just come down to regular activist circles.
A lot of the argument for reparations, for property confiscation, is built on this premise of British colonial abuse of Indigenous people.
This argument is very important on many levels.
That one in particular, your thoughts?
Yeah, I like the idea of reparations.
I think that colonial people should pay massive reparations to the British people for all of the public goods the British provided to them and the tax monies the British provided to them.
Actually, I don't think that's a good idea.
But I think if you're going to talk reparations, the reparations are going in the other way for sure.
There's no doubt about it.
I mean, just look at the gap in income and life expectancy levels between places that are British colonies, that were British colonies and places were not.
I mean, do you want to live in the Bahamas or do you want to live in Haiti?
I mean, these comparisons are just epic and the gift of British colonialism was huge.
And the genocide thing is funny too, because, you know, this is a modern woke.
We call these the woke grandchildren of the colonial subjects, right?
The colonial peoples at the time never thought of this as anything but legitimate use of force by horrible warlords and terrorists.
So for instance, in Kenya, when a small segment of the Kikyuyu group rose up and started murdering the white farmers who were the bedrock of the food supply in Kenya, and the British appropriately set up a counterinsurgency campaign that was overwhelmingly and massively staffed by Kenyans, including Kikuyu Kenyans, right?
The Kenyans saw this as an amazingly great British contribution.
The first president of Kenya praised the British counterinsurgency campaign.
I mean, this was seen as a gift of the British to establish stability and the rule of law and to fight against criminals and terrorists.
And it's only with the passing of that generation and then maybe one more that you get these grandchildren suddenly talking about how they're victims and how their grandparents were victims and demanding reparations for alleged victimization.
I mean, it's complete modern fabrication, and it doesn't represent the views of the colonized peoples at the time.
So in closing here, Professor, I want to ask, why is it that the British Empire acted the way they did, but maybe French or the Spanish or the Portuguese might have been less successful?
What made the British approach different?
Well, the Spanish and Portuguese, of course, is a different era altogether.
So we're talking 16th, 17th century.
It's a different world, different norms, different expectations.
So I don't think we want to compare those.
But, you know, 19th century, 20th century, British, French, Belgian, Portuguese, Indonesian, German colonialism, we can all compare those very similarly.
And it's true that the British often did better, but it's partly just because the British had a bigger empire.
They had more kind of best practices circulating.
They had better training.
I don't think any of these European colonial powers did a bad job.
I think the British just did a particularly good one.
Very good.
Professor, thank you so much for joining us.
Professor Gilly from Portland State University.
If you send your kid to college and you get taught that, you're very lucky because that is a contrarian point of view.
I could tell you that.
Professor, thank you so much.
Thank you.
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Many of you know I've been rather upset the last couple of days as the Democrat regime continues to pick off conservative leader after conservative leader.
Their strategy is not to win at the ballot box, not to win through debate or dialogue or discussion.
Indict Steve Bannon, indict Peter Navarro, raid James O'Keefe's apartment, raid Donald Trump's home.
And I've been saying we need Republican attorney generals to be committed to the rule of law, but to go after the criminals in the Democrat Party, to indict them, to investigate them.
Because we see so many of these crimes happening, and if that does not happen, they're not going to slow down.
Justice must be equally applied.
And Republican attorney generals have an opportunity to do that.
Joining us is one of the best attorney generals in the country.
He's a terrific American patriot, Ken Paxton from the great state of Texas.
Ken, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Hey, Charlie, thanks for having me on.
This is a really timely subject and really, I think, one that's really important if we're going to survive.
That's exactly right.
It's about survival.
And so, Ken, I'm pretty fired up.
Our audience is fired up because we keep on seeing the abuse of the rule of law, which, of course, we're not calling for on this program, whether it be a DA in Fulton County or the Manhattan District Attorney, they are going after conservatives for a very specific purpose, and they feel as if there is no recourse.
There is no accountability at all.
They think they can get away with it.
Ken, is it time for Republican attorney generals to really put their foot on the gas pedal to investigate the crimes of the American left?
Yeah, so it's a very complicated subject.
So, for instance, in my state, I was actually, I'm not allowed to go investigate or prosecute anything.
It's all up to the local DAs.
The legislature has never given me the authority, and the attorney general has never had the authority to have original criminal jurisdiction.
So, for instance, there was a case I was investigating.
It was referred by the Travis County District Attorney.
I was investigating the FBI and the Department of Justice for potential violations of state and federal law.
I couldn't do anything about federal law, but we had some issues that we thought were legitimate.
And sure enough, they started putting pressure on my office, and the DA backed out, and my authority went away.
So, it's very challenging in many states.
The attorney general doesn't have the authority, and some they do.
For instance, New York, where this is all going on, it's a liberal state.
There's really not much you can do.
You're going to have a liberal DA, liberal state legislators, liberal governor.
And it's, I would not want to live in a state like that because you have no hope.
In my state, the legislature could come in and change the law.
They haven't.
And we're all subject to now some very dangerous laws in Texas with local DAs funded by Soros who control the process.
But at least we have the opportunity in Texas to change it if we will.
So, Ken, just to make sure I understand the Texas law, and that's a very helpful context.
Do you have investigatory powers, though?
Are you able to do subpoenas and look into things and then maybe refer it to a local DA?
Is that right?
I can, I can't do the investigation.
As a matter of fact, my investigation stopped when I knew for a fact, and then they turned it around and started investigating me as soon as I couldn't do anything anymore.
My hands were tied by state law.
And so, I'm a sitting duck.
I mean, I can be investigated by them and they can spend, and they are.
They'll spend the rest of my life.
My life will be spent being investigated by the federal government.
That is a fact.
Trying to find some way to do what they're doing to Steve Bannon, to do what they're doing to Donald Trump.
That is what happens today.
If you dare to speak out against the FBI Department of Justice, they do come after you.
Yeah.
And so, I mean, it's personal, obviously, for you, Ken, because you understand the game that they play here, right?
They try to take you out one by one by one.
I suppose, is it true, Ken, that you are then able to launch investigations at the request of a local prosecutor?
Is that correct?
They have to refer it to me.
So, for instance, the Travis County DA had originally referred to me.
That's how we got it.
That's how we knew about it.
That's how we were like, whoa, this is a real issue.
And she knew it was a real issue.
And then it blew up and she backed out.
And then my authority went away.
And then suddenly I'm being investigated and have been ever since.
They never stop.
Once they start, they try to look at everything you've ever done in your entire life and find some way that they can go raid your home and put you in jail and indict you.
Yeah, so I guess my other question then is: what do you think the game plan is here?
Because we need equal application of justice.
It's so wrong.
I mean, the DOJ investigating you or whether it, which is a total witch hunt, totally political.
You know, Peter Navarro, Dinesh D'Souza, Steve Bannon, the list goes on.
I mean, how do we stop this?
I think you agree that press releases are not enough, that just outrage is not going to cut it.
So what's the game plan here?
So there's got to be a couple of things.
One is you're going to have to have the attorney generals that have that power start exercising and not be afraid.
A lot of them are afraid because they're afraid if they start doing stuff like that, and it's true.
They will be under pressure from the Department of Justice.
They'll try to turn it on.
Second, my state desperately needs to have grand jury reform, desperately needs to have reform so that I have concurrent jurisdiction and I can go deal with issues like this.
If we don't, literally, Travis County, Bexar County, San Antonio, all these liberal counties where Soros has basically put the DAs in place are weaponized against us.
And there's literally a legislator as a sitting duck too in Texas, including for voter fraud.
We can't even prosecute voter fraud anymore.
So it's a serious issue in Texas.
If our legislature does not resolve this in the upcoming session, I don't know if we can remain a Republican state with the disadvantage that we're at right now.
This is very powerful stuff, everybody.
I hope we understand.
So in the liberal states, attorney generals have the ability to call grand juries and to do criminal investigations.
And I'll be honest, I was under the assumption you could do the same.
This is very illuminating to me and very helpful.
Now, I suppose it was probably the intent was not to have the abuse of power and to have it be local control.
But the situation now is actually the opposite.
Can you talk about how George Soros is funding these local DA races?
I mean, Travis County, obviously, Houston.
That's very important information for us to know.
Yeah, let me set this up.
I had a state senator call me, a Republican state senator in the Houston area saying, hey, I need you to investigate a public official who's a Democrat who's committing crimes.
And I said, no.
He goes, what do you mean no?
I said, I don't have the authority to do it.
The local DA there, who's a Democrat, if she's okay with it, she can allow him to commit as many crimes as she wants.
And she can even be involved herself.
There's nothing that anyone can do.
Local district attorneys.
And I'm talking about in Harris County and San Antonio and Austin.
I know for a fact because I used to work with the DAs in two of those counties that were Democrats that were pretty good at prosecuting.
And Soros didn't like that.
So he spent a lot of money to get rid of Democratic DAs.
And we can't, you know, we can't win those elections in Travis County and Bear County.
So it's going to be Democratically controlled.
But now it's Soros controlled, and he's got, he is weaponizing the district attorneys across the country.
And we're sitting on the sidelines waiting to be picked off.
And it's happening as we're watching right now.
That's right.
So the call to action really is that in this next upcoming session, the Texas legislature has to change the law to give the Attorney General of Texas grand jury and prosecutorial authority.
Is that prosecutorial or authority or ability?
Would that be an appropriate or prudent change?
Yeah, there needs to be some type of concurrent jurisdiction so there's some accountability for these DAs because right now they can do whatever they want, including, I mean, how could I stop them if they decided to commit crimes or be a part of it or just authorize it?
There's nobody that can do anything about it.
There's no count.
There's no check on it.
There's no accountability.
They are the law under themselves and they can actually decide, and they do this in Texas and in these liberal counties, they don't follow Texas law and enforce Texas law.
They say, well, we're not going to prosecute for stoplifting, even though it's a crime.
We're not going to prosecute for this abortion, even though it's a crime.
We're not going to prosecute for this, this, and this.
We decide with the laws, not the legislature.
And the legislature, if they don't address this, they're not really making laws that matter because the DA is going to walk and do whatever they want.
So this is very, very helpful, I think, for our audience that these local district attorneys, in some ways, have power and authority that the Attorney General of Texas does not have.
Now, you do have the ability to sue.
Is that correct?
You could sue the federal government.
You could sue private companies.
Is that right?
Yeah, so I have the right to sue on civil matters, you know, to represent the state against corporations that are committing fraud, to represent the state in issues with the federal government.
I even had for 71 years from 1951 on, we had the authority to prosecute one thing, which is voter fraud.
And our Republican Criminal Court of Appeals 8-1 struck down that statute saying that it's a separation of powers that the attorney general, because he's in the executive branch, doesn't have the authority to go to court.
Now, tell me that's not the most ludicrous thing.
That would mean that no attorney general in any state could go to court if they're right about that theory.
They, I believe, some of those guys on that Republican court, because we have a bifurcated system, and that Republican court controls all criminal matters.
They're the final say.
And I believe that Soros worked on that court too, because nobody knows who's on that court.
Even most Republican lawyers don't know who's on the criminal court of appeals.
And now, supposedly, I can't prosecute voter fraud, which means, again, we're back to local DAs in Travis County and Bear County and Houston and Dallas.
They get to decide whether voter fraud is prosecuted.
And guess what?
It'll never happen.
And anybody can cheat as much as they want.
Yeah, I mean, these laws have to change.
And I mean, Soros and all these people are so smart.
So they have the Manhattan District Attorney that goes and indicts Steve Bannon, which is far away from even the incident they're saying.
They're saying it's the border wall thing, all this kind of nonsense.
And after he was pardoned by the president of the United States, and so what you're articulating here, which is very helpful for me, and I think for people in our audience, is it's not just the Department of Justice top down.
George Soros has also funded it from the bottom up that they're able to control these local jurisdictions.
And, okay, we have the Attorney General's office in Texas of which you can sue.
So, you know, you could sue BLM, which a lot of state attorney attorneys general have been doing.
And they've been suing for potential fraud or for potential embezzlement and all this.
But those are civil suits, right?
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And those take a long time.
And they have a different kind of tone and a different approach, obviously, than a criminal investigatory matter.
And so this needs to be reformed almost immediately.
Ken, what are your thoughts?
We better reform it soon or we're going to lose the country.
And I get told all the time by my attorneys not to talk about this because they'll come after me.
Well, they've already come after me and they will come after me.
And so I know if we don't speak out as Americans and we don't speak out strongly and do it unafraid, even if we're afraid, we have to speak out or they will take over.
It's incredibly important.
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I want to play a piece of tape here of someone who gets very upset, D.C. Council Member Ward 1, PlayCut 112.
We've learned from border towns like El Paso and Brownsville.
And in many ways, the governors of Texas and Arizona have turned us into a border town.
We don't know how long this will take to resolve.
We don't know how long they will continue busing.
And so the right thing to do here is to be prepared to ensure we can greet every bus.
We can get people off on the right foot.
We can get them where they want to go.
Ken Paxton, your thoughts.
Yeah, I think it's interesting.
She's finally getting it.
We're not, you know, Texas and Arizona are not the only border states.
We're all border states because the Biden administration transports these people around.
They invite them to come in.
They encourage the cartels to do business here and to transport people not away from Border Patrol, but directly to Border Patrol.
These people are not hiding.
They're coming in.
They say one word asylum.
And the Biden administration transports them all over the country.
And we're all border states now.
Yeah, I mean, but shouldn't they be greeting it with open arms and say, be so excited?
And they should be so, I mean, this is now a situation where the rest of the states, they've always talked about how they're sanctuary cities and all this.
Now they have to start to feel the pain that Texas has been feeling.
Yeah, here's the reality.
I mean, they're dealing with like, and I think in D.C., a few thousand, a few hundred in Chicago, a few hundred in New York, maybe a thousand in New York.
We're dealing with 5,000 a day.
And then they criticize the governor.
Lori Whitefoot calls him a racist and says that he's not a Christian.
How come she doesn't criticize Biden when he's transporting hundreds of thousands every month all over the country?
He doesn't include us.
He doesn't tell us where they're going.
They just dumped in these states.
I've never heard criticisms from one of these mayors about what Biden is doing.
Governor Abbott didn't invite this problem.
He's trying to deal with a problem.
He's sending a few thousand, and they're extremely critical of him.
It's hypocrisy.
No, I think what Greg Abbott is doing is correct.
I think that he should send even more than that.
In fact, I call for the governor of Texas to send them back to Mexico or wherever they came from, but I don't think he's quite ready for that yet.
And then building the wall and all that.
But it's something, and it is, from a PR perspective, rather brilliant because it is exposing the liberal hypocrisy of how they always say diversity is our strength until we actually have to deal with it.
Yeah, maybe you should go down to the Rio Grande Valley and recognize that that bus that you think is such an inconvenience, Texas has, how many is it?
1,000 a day, 1,500 illegal a day.
What's the number now?
Almost 2,000 a day?
Almost 5,000.
It's 5,000 a day.
In just Texas?
I just did.
Yeah, just Texas.
So to give you a new Del Rio has like 36,000 people in it, I think.
And there were 18,000 people ready to walk into Del Rio.
I mean, New York City, in D.C. and Chicago, at least big cities, and can absorb a few hundred illegal immigrants.
Del Rio can't even come up with enough food or water to take care of them.
All of you have seen pictures of the big house in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
You've seen a picture of Arrowhead Stadium.
More people than that are illegally just coming into Texas every single month, if I understood you correctly.
That's unbelievable.
That's an invasion.
I mean, Normandy was about 156,000 people.
It's an invasion.
It's absolutely an invasion.
And it's not like it's an accident.
I mean, we saw that Trump policies work to reduce immigration, illegal immigration, significantly.
And the Biden administration said, we're getting rid of everything that worked-from the wall to all the laws that we're supposed to follow.
We're going to make our own laws, and we're going to get the cartels sending these people in.
The cartels are making billions of dollars every month, and the Biden administration's in partnership with them.
It's incredible.
Ken Paxton, the Attorney General of Texas, I learned a lot here.
And I think it's time that we start to recognize and realize if we don't reform some of these laws to be able to hold the criminals on the left accountable, they're not going to stop.
And for some of you in the audience who might say, oh, they're never going to come after me.
Oh, yeah, well, they have 87,000 new IRS agents that might be visiting your business, your home, your church sometime soon.
We have to get these people to stop.
Ken Paxton, thank you so much.
Hey, have a great day.
Thanks.
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