Man Cave Conservatism with Darren Beattie and Pedro Gonzalez
Today on The Charlie Kirk Show, guest host Jack Posobiec is joined by Darren Beattie of Revolver News and Pedro Gonzalez of Chronicles Magazine to go over some top headlines including the FBI and Merrick Garland, Dave Portnoy’s political enemies, and Biden’s student loan forgiveness plan. To start, they answer the important question of, legally, what can we really do about the FBI? What are our options when it comes to an organization that is terrorizing it’s own people. Then, they dive into Barstool Sports’ Dave Portnoy Vs. Conservative commentator Alex Stein, how Barstool has encouraged the “Man Cave Conservatism” that has led to socially liberal and economically conservative voters, and why the Regime doesn’t seem to be concerned about a company that has a large influence with the younger demographic. This leads them to a larger conversation on Biden’s student loan forgiveness plan, and the slap in the face it is to hardworking conservatives.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Justice for Whistleblowers00:08:02
Hey, everybody, Jack Pasov again for Charlie Kirk.
Darren Beattie joins the podcast here to talk about the FBI.
And then we're also joined by Pedro Gonzalez to answer this question of why it is that Dave Portnoy, the barstool conservatives, man cave conservatives, why is this not threatening to the regime in any way?
We're going to dig into it.
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Darren Beattie from Revolver News.
I want to bring Darren in to talk about the current state of affairs and really get into this overarching question that we've had this week of what to do, what to do with the FBI.
We have them.
We're getting a majority.
What should be done?
Darren, welcome to the program.
Great to be here.
Thanks for having me.
And so we could go through.
Look, we can go through Whitmer.
We can go through the fact that they're not protecting congresswoman like Marjorie Taylor Green.
We can go through January 6th.
But the question I think that's before us isn't so much about what the situation is.
I think we understand what the situation is with the FBI.
The question now is: what's the action?
What action can we take and what action should we take?
And I'd love to get your take on that.
It is a great question.
And unfortunately, it's actually a very difficult question because we can, you know, talk about, oh, we have to totally crush them, we have to totally defund them.
But the devil is in the details.
It's in the implementation.
It's in having the critical mass of people willing to undergo the pretty considerable pain box that the regime can put you in whenever somebody actually steps outside of the playpen that every politician is supposed to stay confined in.
And every, you know, once you step outside of that playpen, the states get different, the rules are different.
And understandably, a lot of people are reluctant to do that.
So I think we have to start with what could realistically be done.
And I think the space of realistic options increases as a function of public outrage and public pressure.
So I think number one is, in a way, the raid was a godsend because it's not like the FBI or DOJ is any more corrupt now that the raid happened.
It's just that more people know how corrupt they are.
And that increases the leverage that the GOP and Republicans can have should they take Congress in order to not even retaliate.
It's not like a retaliation.
It's just in order to bring justice to the situation.
And so I think we need to keep on the pressure.
We need to understand that given the way that these institutions are functioning right now, they're really not legitimate institutions.
These are not legitimate institutions of authority.
As we just learned from the disastrous result, really outrageous result in the Michigan kidnapping Fed entrapment hoax.
There's no rule of law anymore in America, at least when the rule of law comes into conflict with the narrative necessities of the regime.
And so by really understanding that these institutions are not legitimate, I think that creates additional capital and additional possibility space for action.
Now, what are some actual action items that probably won't happen, but at least should be thrown out there, if only to shame the GOP for not doing them if they don't.
One thing that I put out there before is GOP is sitting on a lot of money.
You get the letters.
I get the letters.
Everybody listening to this program gets the letters constantly begging you for money.
They're sitting on top of a considerable treasure chest.
I think what they should do right now is set up a whistleblowers fund, a fund that could actually support, defend, and encourage patriotic people who may be still working for the FBI.
Look, Mike Pence got in a lot of trouble for saying, oh, the rank and file, the FBI are so patriotic.
You know, maybe there's a handful still in there who are patriotic.
I assume there is.
Some, I assume, are good people.
So let's give those people the encouragement and the support that they need to come forth and actually begin that difficult process of cleaning house.
Whistleblowers can be very important.
The GOP should do that.
Secondly, I think if the GOP wins the house, it should very aggressively use subpoena power.
And in order to aggressively use subpoena power, you need to know specific names and specific documents you want to go after.
That's why it's helpful.
We have a name, Stephen D'Antoono.
Stephen D'Antoono, the FBI scumbag special agent who oversaw the Michigan kidnapping hoax.
And of all of the FBI agents that Christopher Ray could have promoted to the coveted DC position, he promotes this guy: subpoena the hell out of Stephen D'Antoono.
Subpoena the hell out of Christopher Wray.
Subpoena Merrick Garland.
Make them produce the documents.
And if they don't, make them give an excuse because these excuses also provide avenue for further action.
And so I think a combination of whistleblower campaign funded by the GOP doesn't even require us to control Congress at this point.
And secondly, the Republicans take over the House, need to aggressively and specifically in a targeted fashion apply subpoena power to both documents and specific individuals who need to be made the name and the face of the corruption in the FBI.
No, I think you're right.
And, you know, Sean Hannity had this quote that I think will just live in infamy of sort of the old right versus the new right, where he said, oh, you know, I used to think that it was 99% of the FBI that were good.
Maybe now it's only 95%.
No, you know, Sean.
You know, it's just this indicative of the problem that we're in is that, yeah, are there good people there?
Sure, of course.
Yes, obviously.
But we're not talking about this weird numbers game.
We're talking about the actions and the activities that are typically done by the people who are on the leadership track.
And these are people like the Stephen D'Antono that you've mentioned.
And that if you know, by the way, that if you're on, and I say this as a prior guy who is in the intelligence community, I've been on the other side of that table.
If you want to go into the management, if you want to go into the leadership track, if you want to make that, you know, GS13, 14, 15 run all the way up as a special agent, becoming your, you know, the ASAC, and then you become the SAC of an office, special agent in charge of a field office, that you need to perform certain actions and you need to do things that FBI headquarters, the most disgusting building in all of Washington, D.C., wants.
Absolutely.
And Stephen D'Antona is such a perfect example of this.
He's just such a perfect scumbag of the sort that you would expect.
He's like, I can't decide whether he's bebop or rock steady, but he has that role to the shredder of the shredder of Merritt Garland.
He's just some dumb guy that they know that they can count on to be a dumb dog and do what they tell him.
And he has the guilty face of a dumb dog who knows that he did something wrong.
The Man Cave Irony00:15:43
He, you know, it takes a certain type of individual.
Even the judge is starting to kind of walk this back saying, well, this is unprecedented.
And maybe we shouldn't have done this.
And maybe I shouldn't have just rubber stamped all of it.
And D'Antuono is in so deep now.
He can't get out.
And, you know, certain people are just pure killers.
Like Hillary Clinton is not losing sleep over anything that she's doing.
But someone like Steven D'Antuono, he's kind of in over his head.
He's too deep now.
He's like, I'm worried.
I might be expendable.
Am I going to be the fall guy for this?
You can tell, or at least I can sense from the body language and the intonation and his activities that he's somebody who is very uncomfortable right now, as is, in my opinion, Ray Epps is quite uncomfortable.
And so there are a lot of these people who are not really kind of professionals in the sense that, you know, even Merrick Garland, you know, Merrick Garland has been a regime janitor for a long time.
He's in the class of people like Mueller, who have just been around forever and they've been covering up the dirty secrets of the regime forever.
Merrick Garland goes all the way back to the 90s when he had the domestic extremism portfolio under Clinton and did a lot of a big mop-up job in relation to Oklahoma City case and others.
And so because you're absolutely right.
Garland has been one of these guys for a long time.
He was in the Richards.
They tried to whitewash his role in Wisher Jewel, but he was a huge part of that investigation.
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So, Darren, switching gears a little bit with you, that you've got a piece up now at Revolver.news, and you're talking about Dave Portnoy.
Now, for folks who don't know, Dave Portnoy, he is the head of Barstool News, or he was the head, and then they sold to this online gambling firm years ago, but he's still sort of the figurehead of the organization and one of the founders.
And in your piece, and we've got the graphic here, it says that Dave Portnoy is embarrassing himself already.
And you're getting into this thing with between Dave Portnoy and Alex Stein.
And I think we have Clip 60.
We actually have a clip of Alex, a comedian, right-wing comedian, Alex Stein, getting into it.
Not even with Portnoy, but he had some comments at, I think it was a Las Vegas City Council meeting.
So play Clip 60, guys.
And I get fed alcohol and I get entirely way too intoxicated.
I go to the ATM, I use my credit card.
They make it very accessible to be able to gamble in my credit card.
You know this, Mary Goodman.
They make it absolutely incredibly accessible, councilman, to be able to take all I have.
And now I got to go back to Clearwater, Florida, and I have nothing.
Okay, so he's talking about, you know, gambling and he's making a joke about that.
And it's sort of a meta joke about that's essentially what Las Vegas is.
And we have the image up now that you guys made from Revolver.news on Portnoy and signed and this whole bit.
But let me ask you about this: what is the difference here between what the right, the new right is all about and what barstool conservatism is about?
And why did this incident?
We've got a couple of minutes left.
Why did this incident really highlight that?
Yeah, that's a great question.
And to be perfectly honest, the term itself, barstool conservative, is quite new to me.
I'm just learning about it.
And my understanding is the kind of precise genealogy origin of it is meant to sort of convey this demographic, theoretical demographic of people who are basically not socially conservative at all, who are somewhat against wokeness, political correctness, and so forth.
So fair enough.
But yeah, abortion, that kind of thing.
So fair enough.
I would also throw out there man cave conservatism.
No, that's the image that comes to my mind for sure.
And that's the part that I find kind of just especially pathetic and offensive is that, you know, my understanding of Portnoy, I do give him credit.
I think he was against the lockdowns in a big way.
So anyone of considerable cultural influence, if you're against the lockdowns, I give credit.
But recently, he's really been representing a lot of embarrassing things.
He was embarrassed and humiliated by another controversial guy, Andrew Tate.
He looked very weak.
He didn't look like anything a young person would want to be associated with.
And now with Alex Stein, we have this up-and-coming, really funny guy who's fearless.
Like, you know, he confronts AOC.
He confronts a lot of people in a very funny way.
And he has the guts to do it.
And he has this shtick where he goes to different, you know, town councils and does raps and things like this.
This one was about, he was a Scientologist who went to Las Vegas and got broke gambling.
And but he commended the Las Vegas Council because he saw so many people, you know, taking the vaccine at 3 a.m.
Of course, he was referring to a drug problem there.
So it was just funny stuff.
And apparently, the barstool sports organization had some rule against mocking gambling because maybe they're involved in that or so forth.
It's owned or part-owned by an online gambling company.
There you go.
So that's my understanding what initiated the whole thing.
But Portnoy, if to the extent that he's trying to be this kind of edgy hip guy for the youth, if you're going to do that, at least be edgy and hip.
And the whole imagery of, you know, the sports guy, the barstool sports guy, the fat guy in a sports jersey, this is not going to be any kind of threat to the regime.
You know, there's a reason the regime's going to go after Alex Stein and the regime's going to go after Andrew Tate, two of his most recent MSCs, for different reasons.
They're different archetypes.
But ultimately, the regime is very comfortable with somebody like Portnoy, who's all just about beer and cheerleaders and getting fat and watching sports.
There's nothing cool about that.
It shouldn't be something that young people are getting involved with.
And I think when presented with actual funny and talented and subversive alternatives, young people know the right decision.
And so I think that's pretty much.
I think that's the key word: there's nothing subversive about what Portnoy is offering.
It's simply just docile and acquiescing to the regime the same way as if like one of these suburban men whose wife has made a man cave for them.
I don't know if any pictures of that, but that'll have to be maybe my next submission to Revolver, man cave conservatism.
Thanks so much, Darren B.
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They put him in the pain box on a weekly basis.
Thank you.
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This idea essentially that you could be, you know, you're a physical conservative, but you're social liberal, right?
Or social libertine.
And I want to bring in our next guest, Pedro Gonzalez, who's an editor over Chronicles magazine.
This is something that he talks about a lot.
And Pedro, let me get, if I can, your just sort of overall take on why this controversy has erupted to the point where it has.
Yeah.
Well, I think a part of it is that regardless of what David Portnoy says, because he tries to kind of weasel his way out of controversy by saying, I'm not political.
I'm just a sports guy.
You know, I just want to drink beer and eat chicken wings and kind of parrot all of these distinctly liberal and left-wing views on things like abortion and stuff like that.
Portnoy has been promoted to conservatives as a kind of model, right?
Basically, if the right wants to win the culture war, it has to learn to coexist with so-called barstool conservatism.
And Portnoy is obviously the leader of that.
But what is barstool conservatism?
And I think one way to put it is man cave conservatism, right?
Basically, you accept pretty much all of the progressive planks of faith on things like abortion and whatever and liberal feminism, because Portnoy has made it a point to kind of make himself this like weird, I like to eat wings and drink beer, but I'm also like all about women's rights and I respect women, which is, you know, that's setting aside all the controversies that he's had with women accusing him of actually being pretty violent and abusive.
The fact is, is that Portnoy has been promoted to us as someone who we have to basically coexist with and compromise with, compromise ourselves with, right?
And I think that's why him imploding before Alex Stein has been so fantastic.
And especially because this seems to have happened over basically Portnoy saying, I draw the line about making jokes regarding gambling, about problem gambling.
And what's really interesting about this is that he didn't say it's because they're wrong.
He suggested it's because of barstool sports being affiliated with this casino enterprise, Pennsylvania something, right?
He got something like a $500 million paycheck from them.
So it's not even like, hey, look, I think problem gambling isn't funny because it's something that affects people's lives and ruins lives, but it's because of my business relationship.
In other words, the guy is a total scumbag.
He's a sleaze.
And all of the conservatives who have been telling people like me, you need help from Portnoi to win the culture war, they have a massive and deserved egg on their face right now.
And it's great to watch.
Well, and so this does kind of get to the crux of the matter, though, because you actually have to be a conservative and you have to stand up for conservative values at some point.
I mean, you can't be sitting there criticizing, what is it, the Finnish prime minister for twerking and partying and not just, I mean, being on men's laps and dancing out there at a time where she's talking about the grave threats to Finland.
That's why we have to join NATO.
And, you know, no idea.
Imagine having people like this in charge of your country if you were actually being invaded by the Russians, by the Russian military, facing off against them in another winter war scenario.
And that's your leader.
Yeah, I don't think so.
But then at the same token, that it seems like when you put pressure on these guys, like we saw with Fortnite in this situation, as Darren Beattie, who was just on before you said, it's when they go into the pain box, they can't handle it.
They can't stand it.
And I think this we're teeing on something.
I called it man cave conservatism.
This idea that you're this suburban man and the only masculinity that's available to you or that's allowed to you under our current situation, our current situation, our current system, is you can drink beer, you can watch sports, you can have a even have a cigar maybe, play your video games.
And it's, it's within the confines of the man cave that the wife lets you have.
And you can actually go, I was looking at this up last night.
I just looked up man caves and it's like, but it's all female signaled.
You know, there's like a picture of, you know, Bobby's man cave and a picture of beer clinking.
And that's, those aren't masculine virtues.
I mean, there's nothing.
I'm not going to say that, you know, there's nothing, you know, if you want to watch a sports game, watch a sports game.
But the idea that you should center an entire section of your life around these things.
No, go be a father, right?
Go raise your children.
Go better yourself.
These are, these are hobbies or recreational pursuits.
This isn't something you should center your life around.
Right.
Well, I think that's an important point.
Basically, you have agreed to have basically a kind of daycare area where you can go and be a man in this really sterilized, devitalized way in your corner or often literally in your basement out of sight, right?
I mean, it's really infantilizing.
And there's actually nothing vital about it.
There's nothing masculine about it.
It's kind of like the kids' table.
I mean, that's the irony of the man cave is in many ways, it is a kind of kids' table where you do things that actually degenerate yourself as a man.
You're watching sports.
You're not actually participating in sports and doing things to take care of your mind and body.
And in many ways, you're actually just kind of poisoning yourself, right?
I mean, I've compared excessive sports watching to watching pornography.
I actually think it's really similar.
You're watching other men do things instead of, you know, improving yourself as a man, whether it's being father, being a father or whatever your profession is.
You're actually kind of just detaching from masculinity, but you're doing it in a sad basement environment that resembles your run-of-the-mill commercial sports bar, right?
Right.
So the idea is that you're, you know, and by the way, even if you're at, you know, at a sports bar or a corner bar or a town bar, at least you're out and you're getting involved in some kind of community.
You're engaging in some kind of communal act, but they're trying to tear that away from everybody now.
They're trying to tear away the social fabrics.
They've even taken those away and they want you to just sit in your quote unquote man cave.
I love what you call it, the daycare center for adults.
And that's, you know, that's where you get to have it's a Sunday afternoon.
And it's part of, or it can be part of, this idea of an extended adolescence where adolescence never quite ends, and that you never lean into just being an adult and taking responsibility for things happening.
Look, I've got two kids, I got a four-year-old and a one-year-old.
Student Loan Traps00:03:59
And guess what?
That's your responsibility.
That is going to be your responsibility, and there's nothing that's ever going to slough that off.
And I think that, by the way, to make this a little more newsy, you could also talk about the fact that this is where the student loan forgiveness comes in, because they don't want people to have to actually face the consequences of any of their actions.
And I'm not going to sit here and defend the student loan programs of the Obama administration, the Pell brands.
They're absolutely predatory.
But now we've got a situation where they're putting you in the predatory, they're putting you in the predatory loans.
They're telling you you have to do this.
And then they take the loans off of you and put that on working class people.
Yeah.
No, I think that's right.
And like you, I see the bigger picture here.
And that's on the one hand, these loans are predatory.
College isn't for everyone, and we shouldn't pretend that it is.
There are some people that would be better off served going to like trade schools and things like that.
There are some people who would be better off probably going to college.
But the system right now basically pushes people into these universities and taking out loans that we know ahead of time that they probably can't pay back or that they're going to spend a good part of their life paying back or whatever.
And I understand the frustration on the right and among Republicans, Republican voters, that is, with the idea of basically having to subsidize something like the top 60% of earners, because right now that is what is estimated that the people that are going to benefit from this, people that are toward the, let's say, upper crust of society, right?
But on the other hand, it's really difficult to not see how Republican politicians, I'm not talking about middle Americans, the people that have to foot the bill here.
I'm talking about politicians who are complaining about fiscal responsibility when it comes to student loan debt.
At the same time, that their key talking point about Biden is that he's not giving Ukraine enough aid.
I mean, I really can't get this out of my head, right?
I can't see tweets from Ted Cruz and John Cornyn talking about Democrat socialism, student loan forgiveness, at the same time that they're helping Democrats and Biden pour billions of dollars into this Ukraine grift.
In the last six months, the United States has approved, I think, around $60 billion in aid to Ukraine.
The New York Times ran a story maybe one or two months ago, and at that point, we had approved $54 billion.
And since then, there has been another billion, another few hundred million, another billion approved.
It seems like every week, right?
Like another aid package was just approved that's also in the billions.
So at the same time, the Republicans are saying, you know, this is socialism, it's stealing from the middle class and giving it to the rich.
What do you call giving billions of dollars to a corrupt kleptocracy in Eastern Europe that's no less corrupt than Russia and lining the pockets of defense contractors and corrupt politicians?
I mean, we're going to look back on this and really see it for what it is right now, which is a crime against Americans.
But Republicans don't really have a problem with that.
Right, Pedro.
And I came back, I went there with my brother.
We visited, we went all the way down to Odessa.
We went to Nikolaev, where we're also seeing some advancements from the Russian military now, from Kherson up to Mikolaev.
And I remember when we were going through there, and the one thing my brother said was, you know, where are all the American flags?
Where's the $60 billion?
Joe, where is it?
Where is this money?
And you see these rudimentary checkpoints when we went through the Ukrainian checkpoints, very rudimentary.
you know, there weren't tanks all over the place or anything like this.
And we have that quote CBS did the report that only 30 to 40 percent of the weapons, the actual munitions that are heading over actually end up in the hands of people fighting against the Russian military.
So obviously, of course, there's people who are cutting this off the middle.
Millennial Regrets00:06:17
But I do want to get back into this idea with you because I find it fascinating.
This, this, I think it's a false, I think it's a false offer that they're offering you this idea that you can go to college for free and then you can get this great job.
You don't have to worry about your debt and everything will be fine.
And just go down to your man cave.
Don't do anything that would upset the apple cart.
Just go about life the way it is.
I mean, that's that's Brave New World.
That's Huxleyism.
That's not living.
No, that's totally right.
It's really a kind of long summer of adolescence, except one day you wake up and you realize that you're childless and that when you're gone, there's nothing to remember you by.
And I think that's actually really horrifying.
And an entire generation of people, my generation, millennials, will, I think, in the next few years, actually have to come to grips with this as more of us enter, you know, basically middle age.
What do you have to show for it, right?
Your adult daycare center.
But that's it.
You have no legacy.
You have these pieces of paper that you went into debt for.
You have a pointless job.
And yeah, I mean, it is, I actually feel bad for these people in many ways.
We were talking about this idea, you know, what you said.
It was essentially this idea of the never-ending summertime, the extended adolescence, and that millennials now are getting to the point where millennials are looking at 40.
You know, your elder millennials already are 40.
And suddenly they're asking themselves if partying for their entire lives and becoming and being childless, not having families.
And that's not, by the way, to point out the fact that there weren't massive forces like we're seeing here with the infantilization and we're seeing here with these debt reduction and debt schemes for student loans, which were all set up by the Obama administration, Wall Street and many others getting in on this.
They were set up to be this way.
They were sold a false bill of goods.
And now they're starting to realize that the bill that's going to, here's what it is.
I have a senior chief when I was in the Navy at one point, actually, when I was at Guantanamo, and he said to me, at the end of the day, you could serve 20 years in the Navy, so 30 years, you can go do whatever you want, you'll work for federal government, but at the end of the day, they will give you a gold watch, they'll give you your retirement, and they'll send you off.
And they'll replace you.
They'll replace you with somebody else.
They'll get some kid to come in.
And it's the same in corporate America, et cetera.
The only thing that's left for you at the very end is your family.
And nobody on the deathbed ever said, boy, I wish I spent more time at work.
Have people forgotten that or are they waking up to it, Pedro?
What do you think?
I think it's a combination of both.
I think you're right.
It's important to stress that we've actually sold a false bill of goods to people.
We've sold them a lie.
And I think two things happen.
On the one hand, you do have people that kind of wake up from this.
And I think you're seeing this, at least most prominently, among some millennial women who are starting to kind of write to these regrets of basically spending their youth partying and being promiscuous.
And that's good and all.
But I think that the sad thing is, is what can you do?
At a certain point, in other words, biology dictates that you can have children.
And it's not clear what kind of a legacy you can leave behind.
This is all really, really sad.
But then on the other hand, there's another aspect to this.
And there's people that I think who will, instead of kind of accepting like, okay, I've wasted a good chunk of my life because I bought into this lie, this libertine lie, I think instead it becomes resentment that turns outwards.
And these are the kinds of people that will never have kids, but will support things like, you know, like basically they seek surrogacy through left-wing politics.
So like BLM.
They'll never have kids, but they support, you know, the idea that children can become transgender.
They basically channel all of this anger, all this resentment for their own lives into radical politics.
And I think that is the more dangerous and troubling element of this that you're seeing today.
So I think it's a mixture of both.
I think some people do wake up, but then the question they have is, is it too late?
I hope it's not.
And on the other hand, you do, I think, see this connection between radical politics and basically a generation of people who are deeply angry at the fact that they know deep down that they've wasted their lives.
There was, I got into it, by the way, with the creator of Sex in the City over this a couple of months ago.
And I did a long form podcast around Christmas time with Alex Clark, who does spillover for Turning Point USA.
And it was the creator, I forgot her name on the top of it, Candace something.
And she had said once years ago, she said, I'm now 60 and I regret choosing career and not having children.
And I posted the article up.
This is the creator of Sex in the City.
This is the girl boss kind of movement.
This was the idea, the ideal that was promised to so many people.
And then, of course, I post that article up.
Then she responds to me, how dare you?
Why you post that up?
And I said, why?
This is what you said.
And then it was because she's got a new one woman Broadway show up that's supposed to be like an extension of sex in the city, right?
Because she's trying to fill the whole family.
She's trying to fill the whole of community and realizing that at the end of the day, the dopamine runs out.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's right.
I mean, I was actually one of these people who really could never have seen himself getting married and having kids.
I just, I just, I don't know.
I didn't know how that could happen to me, right?
How do you become adult?
How do you become a dad?
How do you become a husband?
And it did happen.
Fortunately, I have two kids now.
I'm married, been married for six years.
And I really can't.
Oh, yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I've got an eight-month-old and a two-year-old.
And it has really transformed my life and the way that I look at everything.
Pedro, thank you so much for being on.
That's a fascinating discussion.
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