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July 27, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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What’s Next for TPUSA? With Jack Posobiec and Rob McCoy
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Turning Point Faith Summit 00:05:10
Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, Pastor Rob McCoy joins us, my pastor, America's pastor, to talk about our upcoming Turning Point USA Faith Pastors Summit, TPUSA Faith.
We're live from the Student Action Summit in Tampa, Florida.
And also, we kick off this conversation, this episode, I should say.
Jack Pasobic, email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
You're probably so used to me promoting SAS at the beginning of these episodes.
So I'm not going to do that anymore because it's happening right now and you missed out on it.
Too bad for you.
Email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thank you guys for supporting us.
CharlieKirk.com slash support live from Tampa.
Buckle up.
Here we go.
Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
I want to thank Charlie.
He's an incredible guy.
His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
That's why we are here.
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We're here with Jack Pesobic from Turning Point USA's Human Events Daily.
How awesome is this event, Jack?
Charlie, you know, I was talking to Tanya about when was the last time we missed a SAS, right?
So when because we have a pretty good streak of SASes, and I want to say it all the way back to 2017, probably at this point.
So half a decade, believe it or not, right?
You look at some of these numbers, it doesn't make sense.
You're like, wait, that couldn't have been that long ago, right?
I'm meeting people.
I actually just met somebody who came up.
She goes, oh, I met you at a, you know, at a rally in 16.
And I said, no, that couldn't have been because your daughter was, oh, wow.
Wow.
Right.
And you realize that, like, now she's going to college, right?
And so the thing, though, is about this one is this is bigger than any of the ones ever before, which is amazing.
This is the second biggest event ever.
I have, I keep seeing the news, right?
And they say the MAGA movement is done.
The Trump movement is done.
Turning point, they're barely keeping the lights on around there.
And you come into these things.
Oh, we're keeping the lights on.
And you see the kids and you see everybody out.
And it's like, and the thing kills me too is these people who quote unquote make their living reporting on the right wing and the right wing reactionaries and everything they're doing to radicalize our youth.
How many of them are actually here at the event talking to people just from a pure journalistic standpoint, right?
There's some that are coming right in.
Andrew's a few.
Andrew's probably a few.
He's trying.
He's like begging them to come in, right?
And to say, just look.
No, they just want to talk to me as they're going to be.
Take the blinders off.
Take the blinders off.
Take the, you know, or they play that game when they come in and they try to find like the one person with the weird patch or something.
Exactly.
They're going to find the one guy and then, aha, there it is.
That's a 3,500 other students.
But let's actually take a peek and just do an overview what this is.
Show the room, which is gorgeous, by the way.
We went through.
We snuck in with the kids.
And it's not AmericaFest.
It's not quite AmericaFest, but for Florida, I'll take it.
For a summer student event?
It's pretty extraordinary.
Right.
The fact that this is a student event, you've got thousands and thousands of people here, right?
And keep in mind, this is Florida in the middle of summer, right?
These kids, they could be doing anything else right now.
They could be at the beach.
They could be hanging out.
They could be going out with their friends.
They're here because they actually care.
And that's the opposite of what you hear because I'm looking around.
I would say a good 95% of people in the building are under 25 at this point.
Easily.
And I keep hearing, oh, the youth are done.
It's a waste.
America's going a certain way.
It's not coming up.
Come to a turning point event.
Just come with the blinders off, an objective look, right?
You don't have to be someone who's, oh, I'm a huge, I love Trump and all this.
No, just come.
Just see that there is another side to the story.
And clearly, you've struck, you know, where the iron is hot.
You've hit this trend that's coming up.
Because what it really is, and I was talking about this on one of the shows I was doing this week.
They all blur.
Yeah, they really do all blur.
But I said, it's the problem with that I keep getting asked when I meet young people at these things and when we chat is they've got more information than ever, right?
They are, they got more access.
Their families are doing well.
In some cases, not this year, of course.
But the problem is there's no meaning.
There's no meaning in our society offers no meaning.
You can have unlimited choices, but no rubric to understand which choices will generate the best outcomes.
And so when you have an organization like Turning Point that we come to us and you say, oh, no, this is about family.
It's about having meaningful work experiences.
It's about community.
It's about building things.
And then when you can center your life, your actual life around these things, you will live a better life.
The Serotonin Study Truth 00:10:53
And obviously, on top of all of that is belief in our creator, in belief in God, and understanding that we do all of this work to honor him.
Amen.
So, Jack, you've been focusing on a story that I'm actually equally passionate about.
And it got almost no, it got some media coverage, but it should have been a bombshell story, kind of like the biggest story in the last six months.
Okay, $15 billion a year antidepressant industry may not actually help depression.
You've been hitting this hard.
This is, and this is, and I've talked to a few other folks about this.
I think this is one of those sleeper stories where the story has come out, the study has now come out on this SSRI thing, the serotonin link, and it hasn't, it's so big that it hasn't yet saturated the market, hasn't yet saturated sort of the information space.
And so I don't even think the audience understands the implications of what we're seeing here in this story.
Charlie, for 20 years in this country, we've been told that depression is caused by a lack of serotonin causing a chemical imbalance.
It's called the chemical imbalance theory.
And all your SSRIs, right, these reuptake inhibitors of serotonin, the idea is that all the antidepressants that are being prescribed, your Zoloft, your Prozac, everything for 20 years.
And I had Dr. Malone on the other day and we were talking about this.
It's all been predicated on this theory that chemical imbalance causes depression and that is caused by a low rate of serotonin.
And it's all false.
It's just completely.
So what did the study show?
Because that's a bombshell revelation.
The study showed that they tracked people across different serotonin levels for a long time.
It's a study of studies.
So this is umbrella analysis, meta-analysis, study of studies.
This is not just some sort of drawing thing.
This is University College of London.
Got it.
And they have no reason to come to the conclusion that they did, meaning that this is a big revelation.
It is a massive revelation that you've been told, like we've been sold alive for all these years.
When you look at the millions of people across the country that are on these antidepressants and they are prescribed them because they go to the psychiatrist and psychiatrist says, well, it looks like you've got a chemical imbalance.
Yes.
Right.
And I remember, and this is me.
So me being me, I didn't tell you this before, but my thought was always, when I heard there's a chemical imbalance, I said, well, how are you measuring the brain chemicals?
Like, what, do you have like a meter that you're going in and you're checking the brain chemicals?
You know, you can see now they say they do brain scans, but that's very rare.
And based on neurologists, they say even the brain scans are not even able to tell.
Completely subjective.
Yeah.
And they're able to tell certain parts of the brain that are activated more than others.
Sure.
But that requires a great deal of inference of whether maybe your amygdala is being triggered, right?
Maybe your prefrontal cortex is being used.
So it still takes a lot of inference.
Now, for example, you could look at a brain scan of someone on heroin or someone that has a dopamine deficiency.
That's not what we're talking about here.
We're talking about serotonin, which is a tryptophan type of, it's a derivative of what you would have a tryptophan, relaxes you, happiness.
Jordan Peterson kind of made serotonin popular again by saying sit up straight with your shoulders back.
That releases more serotonin.
Exactly.
He said lobsters do that before.
You know, it's kind of that whole kind of genre.
But SSRIs are supposed to boost the serotonin response or kind of creation in your neurology.
Is that correct?
Now, Jack, how many people do you think are on antidepressants right now in America?
I know the number.
I would say, oh, gosh.
So we've got, what, 315 million Americans?
Say 330.
Plus 330, maybe not 340, thanks to Joe Biden, right?
Right.
If you count trespassers.
10%.
Yes.
So 50 million.
More than over, almost, that's almost 20.
14%.
40%.
So it varies.
And by the way, I think that's underreported just for a lot of reasons.
I have my own theories.
And this is completely across the country.
Yeah.
So all ages, all demographics.
So 5-0, 50 million Americans are taking pills that might not help them.
Now, look, some people listening right now, freedom at charliekirk.com, we did a whole thing on SSRIs.
And we did a whole thing on Xanax and a whole thing on this.
And they said, Charlie, it helped me.
I said, great.
Maybe it did.
Maybe it didn't.
Maybe it was a placebo.
Maybe you had therapy alongside of it.
Maybe it did have some sort of added benefit.
But that's not even the main aspect of what we're talking about here.
We're talking about the diagnosis itself is flawed.
Is that correct?
The diagnosis itself is flawed.
So we know, and we've got the black box of the side effects of the SSRIs.
And we understand that it does lead in many people to an increase in violent tendencies.
We know this.
About 5% in clinical trials.
Yes.
That's an extraordinary number.
So out of 50 million people, out of 200 million people.
The 5%, that's 2.5 million people, right?
Potentially.
So if you're predisposed to violence, these things are hitting you.
You may not know that, right?
You don't wake up in the morning and say, oh, sir, am I predisposed?
You know, no, we're not, you know, it's not 1984 and we're being brain scanned every day by Big Brother.
Though we'll get there thanks to Elon Musk, I'm sure.
And I just want to make clear, we're not doctors.
Do you know in research on this stuff?
We're just, you know, playing the journalist role and giving our own little commentary here.
But I do want to say there's a phenomenal amount of truth in everything we're saying.
Like this is not just some story.
Well, it is balanced.
Like I said, I did talk to Dr. Malone about this this week.
Yeah, so what is exactly what he said?
So he said this is exactly right.
And the percentages that have always he his point was these issues have always been in the data.
And this has been something that he and others have been banging the drum on when it comes to big pharma for years.
But of course, the problem is the money machine gets behind it because they realize that all of this, and of course, in the United States, one of the only countries in the world where we're allowed to advertise for big pharma, right?
This is advertising.
People walk into the doctor's office and they say, I saw that commercial that they were describing me.
They were speaking to me, right?
I want to be the person that's frolicking in the field with the kites and the balloons, you know, and the dogs at the feet and everything.
With all the warnings on the bottom side that you don't read.
And it may increase violent tendencies.
And he said, look, here's the problem with that is they're pushing this on everyone.
So it creates this feedback loop where people are going to the doctor and they say, I want this, I want this, I want this.
You do get a placebo effect in a lot of people, because when they get it, maybe they start to feel better.
Maybe they think that's what they need.
You have the side effect problem as well.
But the other thing that Malone pointed out was we have another way to deal with depression in not just this country, but in this world.
And that's called the sun.
It's called the golden rays of Earth's sun, increasing your vitamin D. That's right.
Hulk Hogan used to say it, Charlie.
Vitamin A, B, C, and D. That's all you need.
He used to come out every day, right?
We're in Tampa.
He's over at, what, I think, Clearwater, right?
Hogan Surf Shop.
He used to say it every day, vitamin A, B, C, and D. We've gotten so far away from this idea that we just need vitamins that I think that people actually believe that they need pharmaceutical cocktails.
I want to say other thing.
If you're on SSRIs right now, it's a judgment-free zone.
But I also want to say talk to a doctor.
If you just stop taking them immediately, you could have some serious health effects worse than what I'm articulating right now.
There's some major wean off issues as well.
You could be on benzos, whatever it is.
This is one of the most powerful drugs.
I'm not judging any that we've ever done.
I'm simply commenting on a super interesting story that I believe plays into a narrative that I think is true of the over-prescribing, over-medicating of America.
And so, judgment-free zone, you know, everyone's different.
Everyone seeks their own advice and all that.
But there might be people watching, I know there are, that might be thinking about taking these drugs, that I think this segment might be really helpful for you.
Exactly.
Try, try, you know, this should be something that you come to when you've exhausted all the other options.
So, Tom Cruise warned us about going to a brave new world, which is a Huxley in hat tip.
Greg was a little ahead of his time with that.
Huxley's kind of had a resurgence in recent years.
I've actually said that Huxley, so the book is A Brave New World, of course, referenced to Shakespeare.
1925, I believe is when the book came out.
Huxley?
Yeah.
Got to be later than that.
Guarantee it.
I think it was 1920s.
Want to bet?
I bet it's 47.
32.
32.
Okay, 32.
We were both wrong.
We met in the middle.
But we met in the middle.
You were closer.
We'll do it.
We'll do it.
No.
No, I remember it was before 1984.
I do remember that.
And maybe it's something else in the 20s that I was thinking of.
But point being, though, is Huxley got so much.
And you have to put them together.
You have to put Huxley together with Orwell.
That's the thing.
Because Huxley, so many people miss this.
What's it about?
It's about people who live in the cities that are living on pharmaceutical cocktails that are having these transient sexual relationships all the time.
And the savages who live in the center of America that don't go along with this, that live in the old ways in their villages.
There's so much more to that.
I mean, post-industrialization.
It's after Ford.
So they believe the advent of the assembly line is the end of time.
Fortune was actually the currency of how good of a person you were.
Exactly.
Remember the quote in Brave New World, everybody belongs to everybody, masks sexual, the destruction of sexual norms.
Soma, right.
Yeah, Soma, that's exactly right.
I want to replay the Tom Cruise clip.
Again, you don't have to like Tom Cruise.
You don't have to agree with him.
You don't have to like everything that he's espoused.
But Cut 289, I have not heard anyone have the courage to say this on television.
Matt Lauer, and he had the courage to speak out against the pharmaceutical industrial complex.
And guess what?
This recent study did what, Jack?
Did it prove him right?
100% right.
289.
You benefited from one of those drugs.
All it does is mask the problem, Matt.
And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem.
That's what it does.
That's all it does.
You're not getting to the reason why.
There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.
That's not what I'm saying.
That's an alteration of what I'm saying.
I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, that these drugs are very dangerous.
They're mind-altering, anti-psychotic drugs.
And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world.
Don't end up in a brave new world.
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Wonder why they didn't report on the SSRI study?
Makes you wonder.
You know, it's almost interesting.
$50 billion industry.
You look at the opioids, right?
And we saw Frank Luntz's favorite drug, the opioids, right?
And this was pushed for years and years.
So many people were caught up in this.
The late great Rush Limbaugh.
Caught up in this, right?
And he was very open about that.
This decimated middle America.
And then finally, once the destruction had been done and once the money had been made, then we were finally able to talk about it.
My question is, are we now starting to see the beginning of a cycle that's similar to that with SSRIs?
I don't know.
Everyone, make prudent decisions.
I'm not telling you what to do with your life.
I'm simply making commentary.
There could be some very harsh consequences if you stop using this stuff immediately.
I'm not recommending them.
I'm with us.
It's my pastor, Pastor Rob McCoy.
How are you doing?
Good, Charlie.
It is awesome.
So just kind of, we're on Rumble.
They can see a little bit of this.
Describe what this whole thing is.
Just because not someone that is kind of, whoa, you arrive and you see it.
Yeah.
Young America awakening to conservative principles and they're excited about it.
And they're bringing their friends and the place is just a buzz with excitement and joy.
All last night walking around talking to these kids, I'm telling you, the energy level is through the roof.
It's awesome.
They love this country.
And a lot of them are Christian curious.
Yep.
Right?
Yep.
They're looking, they're not sure what they believe, right?
You know, the laws of nature and nature's God, rowing in the streams of liberty point to Christ because the law is a school teacher, Galatians 3, to point us to Christ until faith comes.
We get them in these streams of the laws of nature, nature's God.
Conservative comes from this idea of conserving that which God intended.
Then they come to faith.
And Charlie, you don't hold back your faith.
This is a secular 501c3, but you still allow them to understand that this is all a result of your love for God.
Amen.
So we have a great programming coming up.
Let's talk a little about TPUSA Faith.
Yeah.
We have an awesome pastor summit coming up.
Unbelievable.
And I think we still have a little bit of space.
It's basically packed.
But for people listening, you might be a pastor or NOAA pastor.
Rob, what are we going to go about trying to accomplish those couple days?
So you just had Dr. James Lindsay on.
He's fabulous.
He is.
So Dr. James Lindsay is the foremost guy on critical race theory, which most churches aren't prepared to deal with.
He'll be speaking at this pastor summit to equip the pastors because there's going to be more lockdowns.
They're coming after our religious liberty.
And it's equipping pastors for this next season because religious liberty is in jeopardy.
And these pastors be equipped with attorneys, with doctors, with Dr. James Lindsay.
And in addition, there'll be great Bible teaching.
And it's inspiring to let them understand that liberty is not man's idea.
It's God's idea.
Yes.
And so it'll be three days, August 10th, 11th, 12th.
Anyone wants to come?
In Coronado, California.
Pretty my birthplace.
Yeah, it's tpusa.com slash pastors.
Yep.
And it's for pastors only, right?
So a lot of congregants want to come.
Say, sorry, this one's not for you.
But if you are a pastor, you could apply to come.
And maybe there's someone listening right now that needs to hear that.
Absolutely.
And granted, it's filling up.
If it's not full already, it might already be full, but I might be able to make a couple.
Yeah, and there's and there will be attrition.
I mean, there'll be some dropouts, sir.
So you need to come to this.
And you know, Charlie, I've done pastors' events around the country with different organizations.
We barely advertise this and it filled up so quick because I know people are hungry for this.
The pastors need this.
It's jam-packed.
We have some amazing speakers.
I'll name them off.
Pastor Rob McCoy, Bill Federer, Bob McEwen, Chad Connolly, David Barton, who's special, Dr. James Lindsay.
Now, let's talk about this for a second.
Dr. James Lindsay is not a Christian.
No, he's an agnostic.
And some people are real, not some people, small, angry people are fired up.
Why are you having agnostic speak at a pastor's conference?
My take is one thing.
I'll let you go first, though, Rob.
I got a letter from folks that were reaching out because they'd heard a thing on CRN.
And I said, look.
Do you hold the same kind of judgment on the pilot who flies your plane?
Exactly right.
On the surgeon that works on you, do you demand their faith?
Because he's coming to speak about one issue, critical race theory.
He knows he's not going to venture into anywhere he doesn't.
And he's respectful of our faith.
Remarkably respectful.
Remarkably curious.
And curious.
And he's going to be surrounded by pastors who are going to share with him.
And he spoke in our church and he talked on critical race theory.
Nobody knows it better.
And his comment, if I was an angry atheist, I would use critical race theory to destroy the church.
He is a great asset to protect the church in America.
So I don't know what they're talking about.
Well, I think it's silly.
By the way, we have worship.
We have praise.
We'll have pastors prayer, beginning, and end.
Very clear about what we believe.
But also, again, just to kind of, if the best brain surgeon on the planet, let's say you needed brain surgery and an availability came up and you found out the brain surgeon was an atheist.
Yeah.
Would you not?
Same thing.
You get on an airplane and the pilot you entrust your life to, do you want them to be, you know.
Is there a religious test for that?
You want someone competent, obviously.
Competent.
And especially since there are no other experts in the field like James Lindsay, period.
No one even close.
And Pastor Vodie Bockham attributes Dr. James Lindsay's work to his book, Falcons.
Yes, and those are all, they're all phenomenal, but his full-time scholarship is this work.
It is postmodernism.
He was just on the show.
He was just rattling off stuff.
He gives me stretch marks on my brain.
And he footnotes everything.
Everything.
And he's charming and all that.
So he'll be speaking.
Frank Turek, great apologist.
Unbelievable and gracious.
I've never seen an apologist who's so kind with that guy.
I don't know if that's a combat of Frank or an indictment of apologist.
Or both.
Yeah, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we have you, obviously, Dr. Larry Arn from the wonderful Hillsdale College.
Yep.
CharlieForhillsdale.com.
Matt Staver from Liberty.
Liberty, First Liberty.
No, no, that's Kelly Shackelford.
It's a Liberty Council.
Liberty Council.
Micah Beckwith, pastor from Indiana.
Fearless pastor from Indiana.
He's wonderful.
We have Nick Vujac.
Yep.
Pastor David Engelhardt who's right there.
Turning point, you say, board member.
Sweet man and runs a church in Manhattan.
New York City of all places.
Fearless.
Amy Chen, who's going to be part of our educational panel with Dr. Lisa Dunn.
Pastor Gary Hamrick.
Yep.
Who's at Calvary Chapel?
Loudoun County, he's the one.
Loudon County.
Cornerstone.
Cornstone.
That's right.
Cornerstone, Calvary Chapel.
Jack Hibbs, Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills.
Yeah, he's the five-star in California.
Rebecca Friedrichs, talking about education as well on the panel there.
Pastor John Amanchuku.
Yep.
Great man.
It's a tough name to pronounce, but solid preacher.
Pastor John Randall from Calvary Chapel, San Juan Capistrano.
Ken Graves from Banger, Maine.
Ken Graves.
He's a cross between Leonidas and Shakespeare.
That's right.
We have coming up our turning point, you say, Pastor Summit, Luke Barnett.
Great man.
Dream City Church, phenomenal man, blessed by him.
Lilo Rose, who's going to just come talk about abortion, one of the leading advocates on that.
Pastor Rawl Rees, Pastor Rick Brown, Pastor Steve Smotherman from Legacy Church in Mexico, one of my all-time favorite people in the world.
Bob Tyler.
Tell us about Bob Tyler.
Bob Tyler is my attorney.
He had your back legally when everyone else ran for the Hills, right?
Yeah, when they ran for the Hills, Bob Tyler was there.
I remember telling him, you know, Bob, I know you can't counsel me to break the law, but I'm going to violate that restraining order because they named me in a thousand congregants or visitors if we opened our church during a lockdown.
And he said, I'll defend you.
And he's never left my side.
And he's been successful.
We won.
Rick Green, Patriot Academy.
Patriot Academy.
And that's the biblical citizenship classes that we're seeing across the country is a direct result of Rick Green and the contact we've got.
And he's just killing it.
I love it.
Sean Foyt.
Sean Foyt, that man started worship protests on the Golden Gate Bridge during lockdowns, and he's traveled the country.
He's been in Chicago.
He's so charming, isn't he?
But he's been in Portland.
This guy was in North Korea, Iraq.
There's nowhere he won't go.
There's no fear in this guy.
I love him.
Victor Marks, obviously.
And favorite.
And then Walter Hoy and Laura Hoy.
Yeah, those two talk about the Holocaust on the black community.
She's a statistician for the Golden State Warriors, the only black female in the NBA in that position.
And the work she does to point out the destruction of the black community.
She's a statistician for the Golden State Warriors.
Yep.
Well, I didn't know that.
Yeah.
Good for her for speaking at our deal, too.
Walter's been in prison for defending the unborn.
Really?
Yeah.
How so?
He was in Oakland protesting, and they came after him.
It's a cool story, but those two are precious.
Amazing.
So all of that is tpusa.com/slash pastors.
Now, some people will say, Rob, come on, the church shouldn't have to rise up.
The church shouldn't have to do any of this.
Why?
As Christians?
Liberty is not man's idea.
It's God's idea.
And from the moral law comes civil law.
And when our founders gave us the sovereignty by saying, We, the people of the United States, declaring that we're the sovereign in a constitutional republic, the very first amendment of the Bill of Rights, the first 16 words, most tortured, Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, was a protection that no government would come between God and man.
And then Hugo Black, Everson versus Board of Education, reversed it where it's freedom from religion.
And we've watched the moral decline of America.
The church has to step back into the public square.
That's what ecclesia means.
It means assembly, public square.
We've talked about that, Charlie.
And if the church, you talk about it beautifully.
Good government happens with good people.
If we don't get engaged, and look, if you believe in the separation of church and state, the state has now invaded the church.
So what are you going to do about it?
That's right.
So what about Romans 13, Rob?
Yeah, Romans 13.
I got that all the time when I was contending with the governor and the county.
Romans 13 says that God appoints all positions of authority and we're just to submit to that authority.
But it also goes on to say that they're there for our good.
And Jonathan Mayhew, a preacher that John Adams attributed the War of Independence to, coined the phrase disobedience to tyrants is obedience to God.
When he looked at Romans 13, he said, when they cease to do good, they cease to be the authority.
Romans 13 does not demand unlimited submission to tyrants.
And when the governor of the state of California says that the church is non-essential, violating the First Amendment and allowing abortion clinics, and in California, we don't just rip the baby apart in the mother's womb, flush its parts into the sewer system.
We harvest their organs before we do that.
That's essential to the governor, but not the church.
I'm sorry.
He didn't have the right to do that.
Jonathan Mayhew understood that.
So did our founders.
This is America.
We have the freedom of religion.
And I do not believe anywhere in the scriptures would it say that submission to evil is righteous.
It doesn't.
It says they're there for our good.
And also, but Bill Federer had an interesting wrinkle in this.
He did.
I think that blows it all apart.
Who's the sovereign in America?
Who's actually in charge?
Yeah.
We the people.
That's right.
Not the mayor.
Yeah.
And if you want to go further, it says that the authorities are ministers of justice to execute wrath on those who would do evil.
They don't carry the sword in vain.
If we're looking at the sovereign, then the ministers of justice would be the Second Amendment.
We have the right to defend ourselves.
That's right.
So it's all written in Romans 13, depending on who the players are.
When you look at that authority based on the preamble of the Constitution, it's we the people.
And so many pastors are starting to get it.
So, Rob, you know what I love is that I know, for example, at the pastor summit, we have a couple wokeys coming of people that are not, they're just kind of woke-ish and they're curious.
What's going to be what's the message that you would give to them or give the message for people out there of people that are saying, you know, I don't want anything to do with this.
You know, I believe in social justice and all that.
You know, I don't want to, what's the message?
First of all, I commend them for coming.
Secondly, pastors are peace-loving, but they're mistaken to think that peace is the absence of conflict.
It's not.
Peace is the presence of Christ in the midst of conflict.
We're contending for ideology.
So when they come, they're willing to be challenged and be open to seeing it this way.
And they're watching the state infuse themselves in the church, and they know more lockdowns are coming, and they want to be equipped.
So I commend them and any other pastor, just come and be challenged.
You don't have to take it all, but just come and see if it resonates with you.
Go through the buffet line.
Yeah.
There might be something for you.
There might be all of it for you, right?
Yeah.
Mike got an extra helping.
Exactly.
Rob, what happens if the church doesn't rise up?
We're going to lose a republic, and 86 cents of every dollar in evangelism comes from the United States.
You bind the strongman, they plunder the house.
Let's say that slower.
Sorry.
86 cents of every dollar in evangelism comes from the United States.
Yep.
So even if you were looking at this purely from a gospel perspective and you want to fund Bibles in Cameroon or fund orphanages in Sierra Leone, America falls, you're talking about the piggy bank for evangelism.
Exactly.
And, you know, if preaching the gospel is the most important thing, protecting the government that protects the preaching of that gospel is the second most important thing.
So basically, when someone says, I don't care about America, what they're saying is, I don't care about freedom.
Or just like you don't care about international ministry, right?
I mean, exactly.
Jesus said, I've come to set the captives free.
There isn't a freer nation on the face of the earth because we recognize rights come from God, not from man, and that must be protected, pastors.
It is up to pastors to do this.
And we're going to properly educate them that it was pastors that founded the American Republic.
The Black Robe Regiment.
It's a piece of history that is not talked about nearly enough.
Charlie, I know we're limited on time, but I just want to say thank you.
You've made this, Pastor, possible by awakening pastors across the country.
It's going to be big, Rob.
It is.
And I can't thank you enough.
Just the start.
We're going to do it all across the country.
Amen.
Rob, you were riffing on laws of nature, nature's God, natural law.
Floor is yours.
Okay, so in the Declaration of Independence, four times God is listed.
When in the course of human events becomes necessary, and as it goes through this, we see Jefferson writing it down, and then it goes through the 27 grievances.
And one of the grievances that was put in there, I think it was the third one that Jefferson himself penned was holding King George accountable for enslaving human beings and bringing them from their country of origin and abusing them.
And they didn't want it in the colonies, enforcing it upon the colonies.
It was North Carolina and Georgia that demanded that be removed, but he still placed endowed by our creator, and it was a promise that was going to be kept.
And there was a sunset clause on slavery.
So these founders, interestingly enough, people say, well, they were slaveholders.
They were.
But America's faults are universal, but her successes are unique.
Dennis Prager.
And these were slaveholders that wanted to abolish abolition of slavery.
And when we look at the law, and this is what I love, it's commemorated in a plaque in the stairwell of Harvard University, and they invoke it every year at graduation.
Maybe not now, but they did.
And it was from an early 1900 commencement speech.
And it basically said, the law is the wise restraints that make men free.
You apply restraints towards evil in order to pursue excellence.
So the law, the moral law, gives civil law.
When you apply restraints towards evil in order to pursue excellence, you have choices.
Liberty brings freedom.
Freedom is having choices.
But if the law isn't submitted to the moral law, meaning accountable to God who gives us these rules to set us free, then the law is used as a weapon to enslave man.
So in the 6,000 years of recorded history, everything's been an oligarchy.
But here, 246 years under a constitutional republic where we are the sovereign, accountable to God, based on that First Amendment and protected by our founders, so that the press would report the truth, the pulpits would proclaim it, and the people would live it in speech and not be worried.
We're on Rumble because YouTube censored me.
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And this is unprecedented in American history.
And so I just have to say, the idea that we must protect the freedom of speech and the freedom of religion is critical.
And the church, listen, our founders gave pastors that mantle to proclaim the truth and to protect the government that protects the preaching of that truth.
And if we do not stand and if we're not vigilant, we're going to lose these freedoms.
We cannot be apathetic.
60 to 1,080 evangelical Christians, half of which aren't registered to vote, and of the half that are registered to vote, only half of those vote, 25%, not all of them vote correctly.
Right.
And 12% in a non-presidential election.
It is, it's, it's awful.
It's a massive just opportunity and also deficit that exists right now.
Structural deficit in more ways than one.
And we're going about and everywhere we can to try to fix that.
He who knows the good to do and does not do it, to him, it is sin.
Now, do you want a revolution?
Do you want your children to be enslaved?
Do you want them to have forced vaccinations?
Do you want their schools to be shuttered?
You know the good that needs to be done.
You've got to contend in the public square for the sake of the next generations.
Amen.
Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
Email me your thoughts as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
Thank you so much for listening.
God bless.
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