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July 6, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Are Republicans Sabotaging the Red Wave? With Sen. Ron Johnson and Rich Baris
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Republicans Messing Up The Inevitable 00:13:26
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We spend a fair amount of time talking about how Republicans don't do much of anything useful, but there is one exception.
There's a few exceptions, but there's one senator that has just been so courageous and really ahead of his time on almost every single issue.
And he is in a tough reelection fight in the great state of Wisconsin right now.
Over $37 million have already been spent against him.
And I have a feeling that they're going to find every single way to place more ads against the wonderful and the courageous senator from Wisconsin, Senator Ron Johnson, who joins us right now.
Senator, welcome back to the program.
Well, Charlie, I think it's over 39 million now, but who's quibbling with the exact details, huh?
Now, these are inflated dollars, Senator.
So it would be something like 20 million maybe a couple election cycles ago.
But let's start with that.
Who's spending that money?
I mean, that's an extraordinary figure for a Senate race in Wisconsin.
That's on pace to maybe be a $100 million race.
I mean, the establishment must be trying to take you out and left-wing interests.
Who's spending all this money?
Well, it's what Democrats would call dark money, which they just hate until they want to use it to destroy somebody.
And they're very good at the politics of personal destruction.
So it's all the outside groups are coming in here.
And I don't even have an opponent yet, except I have the worst opponent, Charlie.
I've got the mainstream media that's been trying to take me out for at least 18 months.
So again, it's dark money.
It's the groups.
They believe this should be their Democrat Senate seat.
They want it so they can eliminate the filibuster.
They can continue us down this road of socialism.
And I know the people of Wisconsin aren't going to put up with it, but $39 million.
I'm sorry, already is extraordinary.
And so let's talk about crime.
I know this is a major issue for your campaign and something that is on the top of mind for voters.
Violent crime is up in the nation's biggest cities.
I don't know if it's up in Milwaukee or not.
You'll be able to fill us in with that.
We know you voted no on the gun control bill.
Tell us why you voted no on that bill.
And then just in general, talk about violent crime and how it's on the rise in America.
Well, first of all, before we pass any new gun control laws, why don't we enforce the ones we've got?
I don't believe, listen, we start spending tens of millions of dollars or tens of billions of dollars.
You may have some impact on mental health issues.
But again, I just don't see anything that we're passing in Washington, D.C. that's going to really impact these mass shootings.
And let's face it, the vast majority of gun violence is occurring on the streets, oftentimes in the streets of cities governed by Democrats, oftentimes in cities with very strong gun control laws.
So, bottom line, this is another one of these dysfunctional pieces of legislation.
Didn't go through committee process, no chance for amendments.
It's crafted by a gang.
In this case, it's, I think, 15 Republicans joining with all 50 Democrats.
So, a majority of our conference was opposed to this bill, partly because it did not offer due process protection in some of these red flag laws that it would be inducements, incentives for states to pass.
So, across the board, I just do not think it'd be worthy of my support.
Yeah, and thank you for that vote, which I consider to be courageous considering the amount of ads being spent against you.
So, I do wonder, though, why is it always, it seems as if Republicans are quick to try to go in the direction of Democrats, but the Democrats never negotiate with us.
I mean, we look at the southern border, which I know is a major issue for voters in Wisconsin.
All we asked for was a couple billion dollars for the wall, could never get any movement on it.
Why does it seem as if Democrats never budge an inch, but Republicans are quick to try to always appease Democrats?
It's pretty easy to explain.
The Democrats can rely on the fact that the vast majority of the media will be on their side.
Never get tough questions.
Let's face it, the vast majority of members of the media now, they're not journalists.
They're advocates for the Democratic cause.
They've been cranked out of our university systems that were taken over control over, was taken over by radical leftists in the 60s.
So they're not graduating journalists anymore.
They're graduating advocates for the Democrat cause.
And so, you know, Republicans, too many of them, want to curry favor with the media that's heavily opposed to them.
And that's, by and large, a dynamic that occurs time and time again.
It drives me nuts.
Yeah, it really is.
So let's talk about the economy.
I mean, you ran a business before you went to the Senate.
You understand what it's like to run a business, unlike most people in politics.
I mean, over the last just 18 months, we've seen a massive increase in inflation.
What role can a Republican Senate and Republican Congress play in putting an effective check and balance on this runaway inflation?
Hopefully, if we do win the majority, if I survive my reelection, we'll all be William F. Buckley Conservatives and stand athwart history and just yell, stop.
We need to stop the agenda.
But the problem we have is that prior Congresses, and I would say this one as well, continue to grant their constitutional authority or transfer it to the executive branch and continue to make the president more and more powerful.
So there's so many things the president can do legally with just executive action.
And then, of course, this administration, like the Obama administration, was pretty lawless, and they're happy to push the envelope on that and enact executive orders that end up being slapped down by the courts.
But it takes a couple of years for that to wind through the courts.
So the damage has already been done.
So it's going to be difficult.
We're going to really need to win not only 2022 and also 2024, but then have an agenda and be ready to act on it as soon as we would take control in 2025.
Yeah, so what do you think that agenda should be?
And also, I mean, taking power in 2022 is important, but just to manage the expectation of our voters, what is going to be the top of the list understanding that if we take back the Senate, we're going to be living under divided government.
Well, let's take a look at what we need to do and the harm that's being caused right now by the Biden administration.
Across the board, they are weakening America.
Open borders, 40-year high inflation, record gasoline prices, rising crime.
So how do we reverse that trend?
Well, first of all, if you want to have a strong economy, you need safety and security.
So you need to make sure that you spend enough on defense on law enforcement.
You empower them.
You don't denigrate them.
You don't try and defund them.
So you start with safety and security.
You have to secure our border.
This flood of illegal immigration is awful for everybody.
It is facilitating the business model of some of the most evil people on the planet.
And the Biden administration knows it, but yet they're allowing it to happen.
So you secure the border, you provide safety and security with the local law enforcement, state law enforcement.
And obviously, you have to have a strong national defense because right now our adversaries are taking advantage of American weakness.
So you start there, safety and security.
Then you need to get conflation under control.
The definition of inflation is pretty basic.
Too many dollars chasing too few goods.
So stop printing so many dollars.
Reduce deficit spending.
You're not going to be able to end it immediately, but you can certainly get it under control.
And also reduce government interference into our lives.
Reduce the regulatory burden.
So those are some pretty basic things.
We know that they work.
We don't have to theorize about this.
But under Democrat governance, regulations are out of control.
They want to increase taxes.
Obviously, deficits and spending is out of control.
And we have a completely open border and a weaken America that our adversaries are taking advantage of.
So something that I struggle with, and I know a lot of our listeners do as well, is the ideological component to this, because what you just articulated was a rather remarkable list of what seems to be intentional mistakes.
I put in air quotes, open borders and inflation.
Is there an ideological agenda?
The Biden administration calls this a liberal world order, or is this all incompetence?
What's your take on that?
Because it seems as if they're willing to break the back of American strength to try to usher in some form of a form of government that we've never lived through or under.
Being in Washington, D.C., can you help make sense of that for me?
Yeah, I've been saying for a long time, you know, there's no doubt that the Biden administration is incompetent, but that's being way too kind.
You know, these policy disasters, the results of these policies are exactly that.
They are the result of their policies.
This is purposeful.
They have an open border.
They have massive depths of spending that they knew would create inflation.
Their own economic advisors were warning against that.
But their war on fossil fuel is designed to drive up the cost of gasoline and energy, to force us all into electric vehicles and wind and solar power, even though we don't have the rare earth minerals.
We're not mining enough copper to even produce all the electric vehicles and the wind towers and everything else that we would need.
So their policies are designed on fantasies.
They're not grounded in reality, but they sound good.
And of course, they're backed up by the complicit mainstream media.
So no, I think their policies are absolutely designed to have the impact they're having.
They just don't want to be held accountable for it, but they rely on the mainstream media not to hold them accountable.
And it's so dangerous to be dealing with an entire political party that lives in a fantasy or imagination world because then there's no counter to their failure because they'll just say their failure is actually a success.
And Senator, that's a changing of the guard, isn't it?
I mean, the old Democrat Party 20 or 30 years ago, did at least admit that high gas prices open borders and a destruction of a dollar, like, well, that's a bad thing.
Now we're being told, no, it's actually a wonderful thing.
I mean, it's maddening for those of us that don't live in Washington, D.C.
I can only imagine what it's like in the Senate to have to deal with this where people say, well, actually, the good news about high gas prices is we get to have all these electric vehicles.
Talk about you're traveling the state of Wisconsin.
You're campaigning hard.
You're super well liked in Wisconsin.
I think you're going to be able to survive this race for a lot of different reasons, but the money being spent against you is substantial and significant.
But the voters of Wisconsin, it doesn't, I can't imagine they're thrilled with $550 gas and the price of goods going up the way it is.
What are the voters of Wisconsin communicating to on a daily basis?
Yeah, there's no doubt about high gasoline prices, record inflation is the number one issue.
It's the number two issue.
It's the number three issue.
It's one through 10.
But quick go back to the evolution of the Democratic Party.
John F. Kennedy would probably be one of the most conservative members of the Republican Senate Conference today.
That's right.
The Democrat Party today is not just mild man of liberals.
They are radical leftists.
John F. Kennedy wouldn't even be able to recognize the party as it exists today.
So they are absolutely dedicated to putting us on this path to socialism.
There was an extremely interesting timeline that was going around the internet to Venezuela.
I think it started in 1992 when they became the third largest economy in the Western hemisphere.
A few years later, they were the second largest importer of F-150 pickup trucks.
They were having real success.
Then they elected Huger Chavez, put themselves on the path of income equality, which means equal misery.
And you saw how in a generation, Venezuela went from an economic powerhouse to an economic basket case where they're slaughtering their citizens in the street, they're starving them, and they have a net outflow of about 10% of their population trying to escape that hellhole.
So it's just, you know, it's, as Ronald Reagan said, freedom is but one generation away from extinction.
Stabilizing Social Security And Medicare 00:02:36
We need to understand that.
I think people in Wisconsin do understand that.
You know, Charlie, I can't tell you how many people come up to me literally with tears in their eyes saying we have to save this country.
And I also have to believe, you know, I often say, you know, anybody that wants to fundamentally transform something doesn't particularly like it.
But, you know, that's Democrat leaders.
I think most Democrats, most independents, most Americans love this country.
They are highly concerned about the path we're on.
When you see, what, 75% of the American public believe we're on the wrong path?
My message to Wisconsinites is, listen, if you love this country, if you're concerned about its future, join us.
We have to save this country.
We need to unify and heal it.
That was a worthy goal that President Biden laid out in his inauguration speech.
He just has not made good on it.
He's done the opposite.
And there is no state, or there's a few states like Wisconsin, but it's top five of where you have these old blue-collar Democrats, and they're looking around.
They're saying, what the heck happened to my party?
Donald Trump really started that movement there.
And I think, Senator, you've done a great job of channeling that.
But especially if you look at places that used to be hardcore Democrat counties, I look at southeastern Wisconsin in particular.
I think it's going to go red.
I think Kenosha and Racine, those areas are going to go red coming into November.
And outside of Madison and Milwaukee, I think it's just going to be, I think it's going to be a landslide.
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Wokeness As A National Security Issue 00:05:01
So, Senator, I want to ask you, a lot of people to kind of reinforce that point are wondering how to make sense of this idea that we're doing this destruction to ourselves.
What gives me hope, though, is that anything we do to ourselves, we could stop doing to ourselves.
What is the agenda to voters that we need to put forward in the next 5, 10, 15 years that show that we can actually reignite American prosperity?
Well, again, we have to get deficit spending out of control, under control.
And we do need to stabilize the Social Security and Medicare.
We need to fix our health care system.
It's a financing problem, the third-party payer system.
So we have to take on these big issues, put America back on a path of fiscal sustainability.
And then we need to start reducing the size of government.
I'd love to have a presidential candidate run on a platform that, no, we're going to actually shrink government.
We're going to take a look at these departments that have just sprung up that are not as part of the enumerated powers.
We're going to send that governing authority back to the states.
That was the foundational premise of this nation.
Government close to the government to where it's more accountable, more efficient, more effective.
So that's what we need to do.
Long-term process, but we need to return governing authority back to the states, back to a local government.
We need a constitutional reset.
We really do.
So, Senator, I want to thank you for your leadership on bodily autonomy in the military and the National Guard.
You've been really leading on this.
So, enrollment in the military is the lowest that it has been since 1973, right near the Vietnam era.
And yet, we are discharging some of our heroes that are healthy because they do not want to take the vaccine.
Can you comment on this?
Because you've been one of the few senators courageous enough to speak out about how wrong this is.
Well, first of all, to just cover lower recruitment numbers, can you blame people that don't want to join the military?
That's now concerned more about, I guess, gender equity and other woke liberal policies as opposed to fighting, defending our freedom.
I'm highly concerned about the destruction going on because of wokeness, because we're not focused on readiness.
We're more concerned about wokeness.
And I'm highly concerned about the destructive impact of these vaccine mandates, which are pointless.
They are idiotic.
You could maybe understand if the vaccine were preventing infection and transmission, but they're not.
And so, what is the point?
We are talking about potentially hundreds of pilots.
I don't know how many thousands of other service members.
I know just in the VA, we could be talking about thousands, if not tens of thousands of VA workers.
They are seeing, by the way, the vaccine injuries.
They're not going to get the vaccine.
And so they'll be dismissed, and we won't have those healthcare workers in a situation where we already have a severe shortage of healthcare workers throughout our healthcare industry, but we won't have them there to take care of our veterans.
So no matter how you slice it, this is a travesty of an idiotic, stupid policy being pushed on by the Biden administration.
I think they're primarily pushy because they just simply can't admit they've been wrong about their policies in the past.
I really hope that's the explanation, Senator.
I hope it's just kind of arrogance and pride.
I hope it's not about an agenda trying to purge the military.
I hope it's not about that because it seems as if we are trying to weaken the finest fighting force the world has ever known.
And so, yes, you're right.
With the Navy coming out and they're doing proper pronouns to go to safe spaces, if you don't say that, the Navy, Senator.
And we have West Point teaching CRT and Air Force bases doing drag queen performances.
And you have the United States Navy and Marines changing their logo to the rainbow flag.
It makes you wonder.
It doesn't actually make us wonder, but how an 18-year-old says, yeah, actually, I'm not going to enlist in this.
The military is now thinking of dropping the high school diploma requirement in order to get in the military to try to meet their enrollment numbers.
I mean, this is a major national security issue.
If we cannot build a volunteer fighting force, this should take pause.
I mean, dude, Democrats seem to be unfazed by this, but I imagine this is something that the entire Republican conference is very worried about.
I certainly hope so.
And regardless of the intent, it's certainly having the impact of weakening our military.
And let's face it, the Biden administration across the board, all their policies are weakening this country.
Open borders, the 40-year high inflation, the rising crime, the record gasoline prices, this concentration on wokeness as opposed to military readiness.
I'm highly concerned about our nuclear deterrent.
We need to continue to modernize our nuclear weapons so that they're an adequate deterrent.
And again, when you're focusing on, as you said, gender identity, those types of things, what is your pronoun?
You're not concentrating on keeping our fighting force ready to really confront the adversaries that are taking advantage of our weakness.
It's terrible.
Biden Policies Weakening This Country 00:15:05
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Again, I'm sure it's probably north of $40 million by now because they're spending at an unprecedented rate.
I'm going to need a lot of help and support if we're going to save this U.S. Senate seat, which is crucial to us taking back the majority.
And again, standing athwart history and just yelling, stop.
It's well said.
Senator, thank you so much.
We are behind you, and we need more senators like you.
Thank you so much.
Have a great day.
Stay well.
Thank you.
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What if I told you Republicans might be messing up the inevitable?
A lot of people think a red wave is a sure thing, but we didn't fix our elections in many states.
And we have some major problems, everybody.
And Richard Barris is the one that is trying to pull the fire alarm, ring the bell, and say the British are coming.
Let's see who listens.
Richard Barris is with us right now.
Richard, welcome back to the program.
Hey, Charlie, thanks for having me back.
As always, it's good to be here.
So, the generic ballot is tightening.
Tell us what's happening and why it's happening.
So, it is tightening.
That is real.
So, you know, there are some out there that are having it hold around Republican plus five or six, others that are now down to two or three.
That would still look any Republican popular vote victory is a gain.
I do think it's a foregone conclusion at this point that Republicans are going to take the House.
They're so shy away, even with redistricting, they're favored to net a few seats.
But I mean, Charlie, with the president as unpopular as he is, and by that, historically unpopular, since Truman, nobody has been more unpopular this early in their first term as Joe Biden.
He is the most unpopular new president in modern American history.
Right track, wrong track is historically negative.
These are all the metrics and the indicators that really matter most to forecasters.
Economics matter as well, and they're abysmal.
Now, there are caps because some districts, Republicans just don't have a prayer in, just like Democrats don't have a prayer in some districts under normal circumstances as well.
But what they're doing right now, and what we're seeing in these battleground districts, is it's real convenient to blame abortion.
It's real convenient to blame the January 6th committee, whatever it is that you want to blame.
The fact is, Republicans are starting to say things to me like, What's the point?
They're all the same.
What's the point?
They just passed a gun bill.
What's the point?
Kevin McCarthy is talking about constitutional protections for abortion after Roe v. Wade.
So decades and decades of fighting these fights just to have their leaders within 24 hours stab them in the back to an issue that's near and dear to their heart.
They're killing enthusiasm.
They are.
So it's the difference between, you know, a pickup in that, you know, minor pickup in the House and maybe a tied Senate or a blowout, you know, and a several seat Senate gain, you know, several seat Senate majority.
That is really what they're flirting with destroying right now.
So the conventional wisdom is what you articulated, where people say, okay, we can't, we can expect Roe v. Wade to hurt us as Republicans.
And so we just might as well take it.
You're saying that's not actually the case.
You don't think it's because of Roe.
Complete nonsense.
You think it's Republican weakness, the inability to project division.
What do Republicans need to do to fix this?
It's not too late.
Voting hasn't started yet.
Enthusiasm is there on the Republican side.
People are sick of inflation.
They're sick of gas prices.
I know this in Arizona, people that are Democrats are stopping me in grocery stores and be like, I hate you and I hate conservatives and I'm voting Republican.
I'm like, oh, thanks.
Have a nice day.
So, I mean, how do you mess that up?
Yeah, I got to tell you, you know, just pretend to be what you claim to be or just be quiet and do nothing.
I mean, really, that's all they have to do is basically just take their hand off the wheel.
But the better thing to do, Charlie, would be to defend your voters.
Democrats have a very rosy view of their own leaders.
I've been on your show.
I've showed you Kevin McCarthy's favorability ratings, Mitch McConnell's favorability ratings.
The devils are really, the devil really is in the detail.
Mitch McConnell has a higher, very favorable rating among Democrats than he does among Republicans in our poll.
Kevin McCarthy started the year with about 32, 31% saying they didn't know enough about him to form an opinion.
We're now down to the low 20s and his very unfavorable has swollen.
And that's because Republicans don't like their own leaders.
Nancy Pelosi has the highest unfit, very unfavorable.
But if you ask Democrats, they circle the wagon around her.
Schumer, he's not looking great either, but at least his own party likes him.
That's because Democrats feel represented and they are represented.
Republicans feel like they're betrayed all the time because they are betrayed all the time.
You know, so basically, you know, in the end, Charlie, I mean, people you need them pumped.
You need your base pump and you need the independents that lean your way to be pumped.
All you, you know, I would, you could stay quiet, but I would suggest more than that.
You know, this leadership reminds the Republican and right-leaning voter every day in this country why they took a chance on Donald J. Trump in the first place, because at least he fought, because at least he defended them.
You know, you gave you Democrats and you gave Republicans with a once upon a time Republicans now who have an identity crisis.
They don't know what they identify as.
You gave these people carte blanche in the January 6th committee to basically smear you as domestic terrorists, and you're doing nothing.
You're saying nothing.
There's no cross-examination.
There's no adversarial relationship.
It's just a smear fest.
And the more they do that, the more they try to distract away from ridiculously high gas prices, the more they try to distract away from $55 billion blown in Ukraine with no benefit whatsoever.
I mean, the Ukraine thing started it.
I have to be honest.
This party is not a party for intervention anymore.
Are there still some who, you know, well, Putin's a bad guy and we should back Ukraine?
Yeah, but they were a 30% minority at best the entire time.
And yet they govern like that's the majority.
And again, Kevin, I've said this, and I know I've ticked, I got a lot of calls at the end of last week and over the weekend for running on shows and doing this, but it's true.
And Republican voters should know it.
Kevin McCarthy is counting votes.
He's not counting seats.
So, you know, you spend a million dollars to go after Michael Cassidy and save Mike Guest in Mississippi III.
How much could that have done to win the new open seat in CD13 in California?
It would have gone a long way.
What's the difference?
Mike Cassidy may not have voted for him.
Michael Guest would.
And by the way, in CD13 in California, it doesn't matter who wins to Kevin.
The Democrat can win for all he cares.
Adam Gray will vote for him.
They've known each other.
They're a click.
So he's counting votes.
And it's tragic for the Republican voter.
You know, there's an article in Real Coopolitics, a great article.
It says Republicans are capped at 247.
I actually think that's a generally modest performance for an out-of-party power in a first-term incumbent midterm.
If Republicans are going to break their 24-7 cap, this would be the year to do it.
When they're swinging states, whole states by 12 or more points, when they're swinging states like New Jersey, especially in southern New Jersey, 20 plus points, this would be the time to do it.
And instead, they are hell-bent on doing what they do best, which is snatch mediocrity from the hands of greatness.
To mess up the inevitable.
We have a minute and a half remaining here, Richard.
I want to go around the horn.
So let's talk about Arizona.
I know Mark Kelly is nervous in Arizona.
Polls show it's tightening, but he has $50 million of hard money.
The ads that Mark Kelly is running is on conservative media, by the way, and he's running ads.
It's a very interesting advertisement.
It shows Mark Kelly with his whole thing where he looks like a tough guy.
And they have a Fox News, literally a Fox News logo.
Have you seen this ad Connor that they're doing?
It's so smart, whatever Democrat operative.
Yeah, it's brilliant.
They have a Fox News logo next to Mark Kelly that shows some sort of headline that shows Mark Kelly pressured Biden over gas prices.
So they're literally showing a logo of something on Fox News that you would like next to Kelly.
I want to ask you about Arizona.
I want to ask you about Georgia.
I want to ask you about Pennsylvania.
I'm going to about Ohio.
I think JD's fine in Ohio.
I think that race is going to be just fine.
It's just structurally not possible.
I think Marco Rubio will be fine.
I want to ask you about Ron Johnson.
I want to ask you, I want to go around the horn.
I want to kind of do a little bit of a back and forth here.
Let's do it.
I think it's really important because the primaries are ending.
Now, all the prerequisites for Republicans doing well, we're seeing in the primaries.
High turnout, low Democrat turnout expanded voter registration.
We're seeing all of the foundations that would mean a red wave.
But if Republicans keep on betraying their voters, I know people that are similar to you, Richard, and they say, oh, what's the point in voting?
Now, hilariously, the Republican establishment's been calling me the last couple of days.
You know what they've been telling me?
That it's my fault because I hit the Republicans so that I'm telling voters not to vote Republican.
Like, oh, yeah, it's my fault that I expose the fact you betray your voters.
Incredible.
Arizona, how do you feel?
Yeah, Blake Masters, no doubt, has a lead there, but you said it before the break.
Mark Kelly has a ton of money.
You know, I honestly would say this flat out.
Donald Trump is going to have to get on the campaign trail this cycle.
And as he saved the Senate single-handedly in 2018 from being taken, he's going to have to win it back.
You know, so that's not a dig on any of the other candidates.
Arizona, the reason why I'm saying that, to be quick, let me paint the target for them.
Males 30 to 54 years old, working.
They self-describe as either independent, maybe they describe as independent or something else.
And ideologically, they're moderate to conservatives.
Donald Trump thrashed Joe Biden with that group.
They're low propensity voters on that spectrum, but Trump can get them out.
Martha McSally split them with Kelly, which was the difference between, you know, that was a major reason for the difference in their margin at the presidential level with the senatorial level.
Blake Masters is that kind of candidate that can win those guys.
And, you know, with the help, he can get them out.
But big war chest, and you've got to overcome it with a larger turnout.
So that's Arizona.
Where are we going to go next?
Herschel Walker, Raphael Wernock.
Is it safe to say Herschel is going to beat Raphael?
He's got to write the ship.
Look, I don't think he's down 10 points.
We've done three polls in Georgia.
Two of them.
Yeah.
Oh, no, all three of them were this year.
And Walker's lead ranged from about two to five points.
He's had some missteps.
But look, even if you look inside that Quinnipiak poll, I could bite a tie.
I could even bite a Warnock plus two, depending on how you did it.
But a Warnock plus 10, to me, is nuts.
All right.
You can't win two-thirds of the white vote, win whites with college degrees and without college degrees, and be double digits in the state of Georgia among black voters and be down by 10 points.
Quinnipiak should be investigated by the federal beer investigation for fraud.
They had Biden up 17.
Remember that one poll that came out?
Yep.
Back in 2020?
I mean, and five in Ohio.
It was a 15-point miss, Charlie.
15 points.
They add him up by one in Iowa.
No, these are suppression polls.
That's what these are.
These are suppression polls.
Okay, Pennsylvania Mehmet Oz versus the big man.
Can't remember his name.
What do you think?
Yeah, Oz has got some consolidating still to do with Fetterman.
There are a lot of Barnett voters that are still upset.
That's the difference between him and Doug Mastriano out there.
There's not a lot of independence in the state of Pennsylvania.
So there'll be 14%, maybe 18 tops of the electorate.
It's a very strong two-party state, meaning you're either Republican or you're Democrat.
I still do think, though, that Suffolk poll that came out, that's a perfect example.
If 15% of the electorate tells you their number one issue is Donald Trump, you may have polled too much of the Metro suburbs.
I mean, God, throw up a red flag.
Nobody is voting on Donald Trump this year.
Very few anyway.
Very few.
But I think Fetterman's strong, even with his medical condition, he's looking every guy candid, every kind of guy candidate.
Central casting for a fraud is what he is.
Yeah, you got it.
It's their job to do that.
But again, magic, Trump.
He's so popular in the state of Pennsylvania.
Well, I know.
Get him out there.
Fetterman, it's just as if you were to go to a Hollywood casting agency and say, give us somebody that can be a far left winger, but look like a radical Republican.
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That's where you're going to be.
He is way too far to the left for Pennsylvania.
He ideologically.
I know, but you look at him, you're like, oh, I'd like to have a beer with him.
Like, no, you wouldn't.
Okay.
So maybe get in front of him, realize he can't drink anymore.
He just had a stroke.
Ron Johnson in Wisconsin.
What do you think?
Ron is always underestimated, isn't he?
He's always down in the polls.
They love him.
And he was one of the first ones to be called on election night in 2016.
One of the first ones.
Wisconsin is a state, Charlie, where they cannot poll worth their, you know what?
They can't do it.
That's right.
It's two-thirds rural, and they're constantly Milwaukee and it's Dean County and Milwaukee County.
Yeah, Madison.
Yeah.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
So, you know, it'll be a close race.
Wisconsin's close, but I think he's, in the end, Ron Johnson's going to win it.
We just had Ron on the show.
Senator Johnson is very smart with his vote on the gun bill.
You do not vote for gun control going into deer hunting season.
It's just, that's just not what you do.
Not a good look.
Nope.
Really dumb.
I mean, what are the chances we win back the Senate?
Still early.
It's July, but I think that we're going to have a real recession.
I think Republicans are going to get on message.
This January 6th committee thing, I think, is going to evaporate.
And unless there's some big surprise that we don't know about.
So what do you think, all things being equal?
We're only in July.
Gas prices really just started to rise for the summer.
I think we're going to feel that.
People are going to, they're going to take mention of that again.
A lot of times these enthusiasm dips are temporary.
Republicans can hope, you know, safely that that's the case.
Look, I got Adam Malaxall in Nevada, right?
In the Silver State.
He's like royalty there.
He's put together every single wing of the coalition.
And honestly, I think he's going to take that.
That would be huge.
There's so much fraud there.
So we got to have Richard Harris back at another time, big data polls.
And if I do my job, I'm going to persuade him to join us for election night.
But that's going to be quite a feat to pull off.
Thank you, Richard.
Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
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God bless.
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