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June 15, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Defining “The New Right” with Saurabh Sharma
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Defining the New Right 00:09:39
Hey everybody, today's Charlie Kirk Show.
What is the new right?
We've asked that question before, but we talk about how the conservatives need to use political power to fight the left.
A very interesting conversation from my friend at AmericanMoment.org, SORAB Sharma.
And then we have a pro-life leader whose clinic was firebombed by abortion activists.
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There's a lot of different directions we could take this conversation, but I like having thought leaders that are in the movement, but not necessarily focused on the politics of it, but more on the philosophy and the general direction of where we are headed ideologically.
It's very interesting to me, as many people know on this program.
I've talked about that I was once kind of a naive neoliberal because I thought that was the country we lived in.
And I thought that the other side would just stop with their intense game playing and their bullying if we would just kind of come to a détente, how naive I was.
The new right, the new conservative movement understands what time it is and what is necessary to reclaim our great country.
One of those thought leaders is someone who runs an organization called American Moment, AmericanMoment.org.
And that's SORAB Sharma.
Welcome to the program.
Thanks for having me on, Charlie.
So a lot of different directions we could take this.
Let's first just give you an opportunity to introduce your organization, American Moment.
What are you seeking to accomplish?
Sure thing.
Well, the way I like to put it is that we have a what and a why.
During the last year of the Trump administration, I was looking around.
I'd had some experience working in Texas politics, thought I was just going to go to the private sector and retire from that game for a while.
But I felt like this revolution that President Trump had started in the Republican Party and the conservative movement, it was at risk because people were looking to go back to that dead consensus as soon as President Trump left.
So we thought that there was a major need to build infrastructure for this new right.
People who take immigration seriously, who think that maybe these endless wars have been a bad idea, who think maybe it wasn't the best idea we deindustrialize the country, people who are actually willing to fight on culture.
And one of the pieces of infrastructure that was really missing was that the personnel pipeline is completely broken in American politics, especially on the right.
You just don't have a pipeline of talented, capable, conservative, especially in this way, people moving into these roles that no one elects but have enormous amounts of power.
The people who undermine President Trump from the inside of his administration for the better part of four years.
So we decided to create an organization that would build up that pipeline from scratch.
That's what American Moment is.
The what is personnel and the why is this America first agenda that ranges across all the issues?
And that's actually capable of, A, you know, animating a right that's useful to the country, but also a right that can win.
It's so important.
You know, I spent a lot of time in the Trump White House, especially in 18, 19, 20 as a visitor and helping with certain projects.
And there was this constant plea for personnel that they couldn't find people that agreed with Trump's ideas.
And so they would have to just kind of make concessions.
Like, all right, there's this guy, and he's good at what he does, but he disagrees with us on every core issue.
Why do you think that has been a problem for so long?
Has it been a funding problem?
Has it been that the international corporations have been so focused on trying to create the proper personnel apparatus?
Why is this such an issue?
It's a great question.
I think there's probably two elements to it.
One, why is it easier for the left to do this than for the right to do this?
Well, if you think about it, if you're on the left of center and you're thinking about going into a presidential administration, you could really come from and go to anywhere in America.
Our biggest universities, the massive nonprofit foundations, not just the lefty ones, but the centrist civic engagement ones, all of corporate America, the C-suites.
There's really a bevy of options for where we can pull, where the left can pull people from and where they can send them to before and after administrations.
Meanwhile, just put aside any ideological specifics, if you're on the right of center, there's just a lot fewer places.
You're not getting these people from universities.
You're getting them less and less from the C-suite because there's cancellation campaigns for anyone to the right of Jen Rubin at the Washington Post.
There's just a lot fewer places to pull these people from.
And so what do you have left?
Well, you have the small constellation of conservative nonprofits, foundations, these entities that have been propped up by the institutional right for the last 40 years.
And what are their priorities?
Well, their priorities have been a very particular vision of conservatism, the idea that what matters is low taxes on fiscal issues, on social issues, we'll occasionally mouth about religious liberty and abortion.
On foreign policy, we're going to be absolutely demented and go to war at all places at all times.
And on immigration, we're going to maybe have a four-word immigration policy, legal, good, illegal, bad, which is the way a child thinks about a public policy issue.
And so there really was no institutional place where the right could pull these people from.
And when you think about the dominant mode of thought that existed on the right of center for the last 20 to 40 years, one that the only thing it had to say about the federal government is that it hates the federal government.
And look, I really dislike the federal government too.
When you're talking about giving people a calling, the ability to be these soldiers inside these bureaucratic apparatuses who hate us and dedicating their lives to it, it's really hard to sustain yourself on hatred alone.
You have to have a vision of what you're going to do with power when you get it.
And that was really lacking.
And so we have this confluence of these different issues.
One, it's just harder for the right.
And then two, the few places we could pull people from the right, we had a very particular worldview.
And that all ultimately inured to President Trump's revolution being stunted in some ways in the White House.
It's a problem we're not making again, I promise you that.
But it really does sometimes frustrate me.
And I'm sure it's frustrated you on the missed opportunities we had.
Oh, totally.
Yeah, so totally.
Talk for our audience a little bit.
We have about four minutes here about neoliberalism.
We've explored this in many different episodes at great length.
I'd love kind of your take, your flavor on this.
Why is it that that was so dominant in the early years that I got started, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16?
Why is it tempting to believe in it?
And what is so structurally and fundamentally wrong with neoliberalism?
Well, at its core, neoliberalism was a policy agenda that operated on openness, freedom in a very particular corporate sort of way across every policy area.
So, on immigration, it said that, you know, maybe we believe in some border security, but really you want mass immigration across all of it.
In corporate America, whatever a Fortune 500 company wanted, that was going to be the dominant policy mode.
On social issues, live and let live, laissez-faire.
It doesn't really matter what kind of culture, what kind of society you live in.
After all, you don't want to be called a bigot.
It was sort of a comprehensive agenda that said that there is no role for government in shaping and forming virtuous citizens for the creation and preservation of a great republic.
And that works for a little while.
It works when you're coming off the heels of two world wars where you're the only industrial power, you're the most Christian country in the world, and you have a robust base to spend from.
And that's what we did over the 70s, the 80s, and the 90s.
We took the legacy that the founders of America, the settlers of this country, and generations of patriots built, and we spent it down in service of cheaper goods, of easy policy, of not really making hard fights.
And that was a dominant mode in both parties.
It existed in everyone from Bill Clinton to George W. Bush to Mitt Romney and others.
And the reason it was so dominant on the right is because it was easy.
At the end of the day, it's so much easier to say that red state governance or red American governance is just blue America with lower taxes, with slightly less hostility towards Christianity, as opposed to actually having a comprehensive, original vision for what the future of the country looks like.
Taking Charge of Your Money 00:08:51
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It's a vision for what the country looks like in 5, 15, and 50 years.
Most Republican members of Congress have no plan.
They would stare dumbfounded at you and start drooling if you asked them what their vision for the country is.
And that's really what the right needs to get out of the mindset of is this crisis of imagination, this poverty of thought that they've had for the last 30 years.
That is a disagreement on the new right, which is there's some that really want to be kind of traditionalist conservatives and say, hey, we need to not embrace any sort of imaginative ideas.
We already have it all.
There's some people that say, you know, we have to build new things and we should be unafraid in kind of ancient wisdom and understanding the laws of nature and nature's God to start new companies and to think ambitiously.
I'd love your talk.
I'd love your take on that kind of tension because I've heard it both ways.
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So what should the vision for the new conservative movement be?
Charlie, you said that there's this tension between what the right should do.
Should we build new institutions?
Should we reform existing ones?
Should we just wipe the table off?
And I think that that's the second part to this.
We have this vision for a cohesive agenda on trade, immigration, foreign policy, all this stuff.
But there's a second dimension to it, which is some people have called it exit versus voice.
Should we leave blue states behind and purple states behind and all flee to Florida?
Florida's a nice place to live.
Or voice, should we fight for the institutions we have in the places that we have them?
And my general approach to this question is all of the above.
My riff on this is that you build what you need, you reform what you can, and you destroy what you must in that order.
And so I'm a big fan of a multiplicity of approaches to these questions.
And so the thing I'm trying to avoid in general as we're building American Moment is encouraging a mindset where we do the same mistake that the right historically made, which is a version of live and let live as a tactical strategy, which is basically just whenever things start to get bad, you leave because the left is fighting you and better to just escape their wrath.
At the end of the day, the left is never stopping.
They're never going to leave you alone.
There's nowhere you can retreat to.
No sweet potato farm out in the prairie where they'll leave you alone.
They want to come for your kids.
Kamal Harris will show up at your door with an injection full of hormones for your seven-year-old one day if you don't stay and fight in the political arena.
And so we need to build new businesses for Red America.
We need to take over the federal government when we get power and use it to advance the interests of our voters.
And we need to try to reform institutions that have gone astray, both inside the conservative movement and out.
It's going to take that multiplicity of approaches.
Why is it that conservatives are so afraid of using power?
Well, some of it's ideological, right?
People have been told for the last 40 years that it would be unprincipled in order to use power to advance our interests.
I think that's a silly argument.
And some of it's laziness, to be entirely honest.
One of the things I'm sure has frustrated you over the years, Charlie, is that it feels like most of the organizations on the right of center are interested in what I call conservatism studies, just constantly being huffing their own you-know-what about the conservative movement, the conservative tradition, and a bunch of things written between 1955 and 1995, as opposed to actively being engaged on policy advancing the interests of our voters.
It's a lot easier to talk your own shop, to talk your own dogma and pretend like you're doing something than to actually do something.
And so I think that some of it comes out of ideological reasons.
Some of it comes out of just laziness.
And eventually that ossifies when you have people who've been sitting in their sinecures for 40 years into people who don't know anything else.
They only know how to talk the same victory lap they have for 45 years about some of the great things the conservative movement did during the Reagan administration.
They'd be out of a job if that wasn't what we were talking about all the time.
So this is why at the end of the day, new blood ends up being really important for a lot of things.
But that's my assessment of why that happens.
Yeah, I think that there's an understandable concern about centralized power.
I share that concern and so do you.
We believe that we don't like tyranny.
We don't like authoritarianism.
But we have allowed that concern and that fear of leftist authoritarianism to prevent us from using any instrument of power to ever try to stop the left or preserve liberty or freedom.
A great example is like this drag queen thing.
We should be unafraid to use political power to ban children from going to drag queen anything.
Period.
End of story.
We shouldn't allow teenagers to be able to get chemical castration drugs.
Now, some conservatives that call themselves conservatives, like Asa Hutchinson, the current governor of Arkansas, you might remember that back and forth with Tucker Carlson.
He's like, well, no, the conservative thing is just to sit by and do nothing.
No, no, that's a libertarian thing.
Conservatives generally don't like using government if not necessary, if not necessary.
But if we have political power and we see something bad happening, we are going to intervene to protect children, protect things that are good.
Your thoughts?
Silence is violence, beats don't tread on me every single time.
The left believes that if you don't actively advance their evangelical leftist religion, that you are a bigot and they will ruin your life for it.
The right's answer to that has historically been, don't tread on me, leave me alone.
We're going to lose every single time unless we start to use power.
And I think it's perfectly all right to say that seven-year-olds getting perverted adults to gyrate in front of them, stopping that using government power is just fine.
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What you just heard is the new right, AmericanMoment.org.
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So it seems in a couple of days, maybe a couple of weeks, the United States Supreme Court is going to repeal Roe versus Wade, which would bring abortion, which would send abortion back down to the states.
It's a states' rights issue.
Unfortunately, as this has been rumored because it was illegally leaked, still no arrest because of the leak, we have started to see a mass amount of violence against pro-life centers across America, firebombing, and vandalism.
One of those centers happened in New York City, and the person who runs that is the guy by the name of James R. Hardin, Reverend James R. Hardin, who's the CEO of Compass Care Pregnancy Services, and he joins us right now.
James, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Oh, thank you.
It's an honor to be here with you, Charlie.
Tell us about what happened to your clinic.
Well, about a week ago Tuesday, police and fire rescue responded to smoke coming out of our facility at 2.30 in the morning, and they arrived to find broken glass and fires lit in our facility.
And on the wall was scrawled, Jane was here, a signature kind of trademark for a pro-abortion terrorist group called Jane's Revenge.
Jane's Revenge refers to an underground abortion group in you know, in Chicago in the 1960s called the Jane's Collective.
And so they're not about women's rights.
They're not about choice.
They're about abortion.
Their motto is if abortion isn't safe, then neither are you.
And their intent was to shut us down and to scare us.
But they didn't.
We were up and running the very next day.
We had to reroute patients out to our Rochester facility, put some hardship on our patients, but we're continuing to serve patients even now.
And we will stop and we're not afraid.
Well, God bless you for that.
So you were firebombed.
Has anyone been arrested?
Is there an act of investigation into this act of terrorism on your clinic?
Yes.
As a matter of fact, we had reason to believe that there were increasing threats to our facilities, given the activity that was going on with Jane's Revenge, fomenting violence against pregnancy centers, as well as some local activity that was going on.
And we notified the police ahead of time, at least a month and a half, as well as the FBI.
So they were investigating this beforehand.
Now, once it happened, they've activated multiple agencies, and the Amherst Police Department are doing a fantastic job.
I apologize for all the noise in the background.
We're actually in the process of getting our office secured because of the threats.
No problem at all.
So there have been arrests yet, but here's the great irony, and it's not even irony, it's a tragedy.
So your governor, Governor Hochl of New York, signed a bill to investigate pro-life pregnancy centers instead of pro-abortion arsonists.
Tell us about that, Jim.
It really is a horrific moment.
This is the pro-abortion Kristallnacht.
Okay.
You know what Kristallnacht is.
It's the watershed moment when people targeted Jewish businesses in 1938 in Nazi Germany, essentially breaking their glass in the dark of night and burning out their businesses.
And the two things that caused it to be a watershed moment, us fomenting violence to the Jewish community after that was number one, a lack of outcry from the community.
And number two, a refusal on the part of the political elite to denounce the violence.
And that's what we've got here.
Governor Hochl is essentially fomenting the violence, but she's complicit in this pro-abortion Kristallnacht.
Not only did we get firebombed, not only did she send $34 million to private practice abortionists to increase their security, knowing full well that we're being targeted, she signs a bill to investigate us, us, yesterday.
This is insult to injury is absolutely ridiculous.
She is complicit in the pro-abortion Kristallnacht.
And so is Joe Biden for all intents and purposes.
What are they investigating you for?
I mean, your clinic probably does very, you know, run-of-the-mill pregnancy crisis center work of trying to save babies from potential termination.
What would they possibly investigate you for?
Well, they're investigating us because we don't perform or refer for abortionists.
They're investigating us because we are not one of them.
And, you know, technically they're saying they're looking to see if we're standing in the way of women accessing health care and getting their needs met.
And that's what we do.
We're all about meeting the unmet health care needs of women and giving them comprehensive resources in order to have their baby.
We're about giving women true choice.
When a woman faces an unplanned pregnancy, she says, I'm stuck.
I'm trapped.
I've gotten more of the choice.
I need to have an abortion.
And our mission is to erase the need for abortion by transforming her fear and a confidence.
And we do that with ethical medical care and comprehensive community support for free.
I mean, think about that.
When's the last time you've got an abortionist coming out saying, hey, we're going to give you your abortion for free?
Abortion is not anything other than abandonment.
It is society's way of saying, we don't want to have anything to do with these women.
Just give us the money.
We'll give you an abortion and get out of our way.
That is what abortion represents.
The abortion industry is reeling right now and they're having trouble keeping up.
Here's what's happening.
As you just described, when Roe versus Wait is reversed, abortion will not be outlawed.
Abortion will simply move to New York and California.
And they've got this new kind of hub and spoke model.
That's their business plan.
Hubband Spoke.
And Governor Hokul and Governor Newsom out of California are going to have taxpayer dollars paying for women's travel expenses and their abortions to fly from conservative states for abortion tourism.
Abortion tourism is the next thing.
And we've got a plan.
And I think that's why we're attacked.
We've got a plan and we're working that plan to essentially complete the abolition of Roe by essentially giving pregnancy centers the tools, the 21st century tools they need to serve every single woman in America who's seriously considering abortion before she travels and before she goes online to get those chemical abortion drugs.
And you mentioned something so interesting.
So a theme of our show is that live and let live is dead.
This was a promise of the left.
You know, just let us do our thing and you'll let you do your thing.
That is never true.
If that was true, then why would they be coming after your pregnancy crisis center?
Like, okay, you do Planned Parenthood.
You do your pregnancy crisis center.
You kind of just do your own thing.
No, they want to come into your business.
Elaborate on that a little bit.
Yeah, they want to come into our business and tell us what to do.
They want to shut us down.
And it's not going to work.
We're called of God, and by we, I mean everyone, to essentially say, look, we're all made in the image of God, and therefore we're all inviolable, not to be violated.
We're all worthy of blessing and protection because we're made in the image of God.
That's the message of the Bible.
That is the basic point of entry for all civilized societies.
If you don't agree on that point, if you don't agree on the fact that everybody, that human dignity is universal, you can't go anywhere.
The justice system means nothing.
It's got nothing to be to be based on.
That's such a good point.
So in closing here, can you just, for our audience that isn't aware, and believe it or not, most conservatives are not even aware.
What is a pregnancy resource center?
Just walk through the kind of services you provide, how you're able to help women make the choice for life.
Yeah, a pregnancy resource center, a pro-life pregnancy resource center, is an organization that reaches out to women who are finding themselves in an unplanned pregnancy and seriously considering abortion.
And we serve them with baseline medical care, OB care, STD testing and treatment.
We even provide chemical abortion reversal treatments, which are great.
If a woman changes her mind in the middle of a chemical abortion process, we can help reverse those effects and help her save the baby.
We also provide comprehensive support both during the pregnancy and beyond so that she can see her way clear to having her baby.
And that's the goal.
Very few women go on and have an abortion if they have the support and security that they need, giving them a vision of their future after having had abortion, having had their baby.
And it's a great, wonderful ministry.
The impact of pro-life pregnancy centers all across the country over the years has saved millions of lives, and millions of women are grateful for these services.
Amen.
Well, thank you for your wonderful work.
What is the name of your clinic and how can people support you?
Compass Care Pregnancy Services is the name of our organization.
We have multiple locations in abortion hub cities all across New York.
They can go to erasingthene.com.
That's part of our mission statement: erasingthead.
We're a Christ-centered agency dedicated to erasing the need for abortion by transforming a woman's fear into confidence.
I love that.
God bless you.
We're 100% behind you, and thank you for your great work.
I understand you have 10 children as well.
The Hunter Biden Saga 00:06:26
Is that right?
Yes, that's right.
My wife and children had to relocate due to threats of intimidation, but everybody's doing well.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, we can be homeschooled, by the way.
It's amazing.
God bless you.
You are a true patriot in fighting for liberty and life.
God bless you.
Thank you.
Charlie.
God bless.
We're blessed to live in the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world.
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I want to play some pieces of tape here.
How do you control a president who's increasingly unpopular?
Answer: you threaten to put his son in jail.
New revelations show Hunter Biden bragging on his iPhone with an audio file that he can get his father to do anything he wants him to.
If I say it's important to me, then he will work in a way to which to make it part of his platform.
I thought they never talked about business.
Play Cut 44.
He's going to talk about Joe Good Four and any other things I want him to.
He'll talk about anything that I want him to that he believes in.
If I say this is important to me, then he will work a way in which to make it a part of his platform.
My dad respects me more than he respects anyone in the world, and I know that to be certain.
Respects him more than he respects anybody in the world.
It explains a lot.
It really does.
The country is going downhill right now.
And one of the ways that they're going to keep Joe Biden in a place of compliance to keep Joe Biden obedient is the constant threat that Hunter Biden might be indicted and go to jail.
Hunter Biden, based on all the information available, violated a multitude of federal crimes and is currently being investigated by the federal government.
Now, will he actually be able to, will he go to jail post-jury?
Will his father pardon him?
These are all very fair and important questions.
But very similar to how the Democrats need to keep their own on their toes, like Andrew Cuomo off the chessboard.
They need to make Joe Biden afraid that if he missteps and he doesn't follow the ways of the regime, then Hunter might be indicted.
This is one of the ways they can continue to control Joe Biden to make sure that he does not waver and go closer to the middle.
It's one of the reasons why Joe Biden continually is radical.
The threat of indictment against Hunter Biden is leverage against Joe Biden.
Play Cut 52.
This is Hunter's ex-wife and how she conceded all financial control to Hunter and where that mistake led them.
Play Cut 52.
Her decision to let him control their finances.
You say you weren't really involved in the finances at all.
This was one of the harder parts for me to write and to acknowledge.
It's embarrassing to say that I ceded all financial control to my husband.
Do you know why you did that?
I liked the nice things and I didn't want to think about the cost at which they were coming.
Writing this book really helped me to understand how unfair that was to Hunter and how unhealthy that was for me.
It was in 2003 when Hunter returned from rehab the first time, and he tells you something about the tax situation.
What did he tell you?
That we owed money and taxes, but that he had set up a payment plan.
Oh, financially destroying something must run in the family.
Joe and Hunter share that in common.
The way that the media is covering the Hunter Biden saga is very interesting.
So the media has many different approaches on how to handle these situations.
You could turn someone like Hunter Biden into a villain and cast him aside.
They did this to Andrew Cuomo, but they've decided that's not useful to their broader goals.
Instead, they turn Hunter Biden into a victim.
Not to say that Hunter Biden didn't do anything wrong, but he was struggling with addiction.
He could barely get by.
We must feel sorry for him.
This is going to be the approach that the media will take towards Hunter: they want you to feel sorry for him.
Come on, stop covering him.
He's just a sick person.
No, it's not about Hunter Biden and his drug addiction and his financial inability to manage his finances.
It's about that he leveraged his father as a sitting vice president and presidential candidate and weakened American national security for personal financial gain.
Doesn't matter how many sad songs that they play or how sorry they make you feel for him.
The takeaway is that our country is in a far, much more dangerous place because of this than it was previously.
That they prioritize their family's wealth above the well-being of America.
Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
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