The Great Decline: Prescribing the Coming Population Crash
On this informative and important episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, Charlie keeps an eye on the World Economic Forum action happening in Davos, Switzerland, and highlights a dividing line for the world's elites. On one side, you have the Klaus Schwabs and John Kerrys of the world advocating for population control, and on the other—the richest man in the world, Elon Musk, sounding the civilizational alarm bell about the decline in global population. Charlie unpacks the distinctions between the two polarized positions and raises questions that spell either life or death for society as we know it. Next, he sheds new light on an old scheme being peddled by the globalists at Davos who seek to limit population size and disrupt birth rates all in the name of preserving the climate. All of that and so much more in an episode of can't-miss commentary and analysis from Charlie Kirk.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Davos Ignores Population Collapse00:10:14
Hey everybody, we are on the verge of a population collapse.
We've been talking about this for a couple years.
But as the World Economic Forum meets in Davos, why are they not mentioning this?
So we dive into great detail how our birth rates are plummeting.
Why are they plummeting?
And is it okay to have children?
We talk about the disintegration of our ability to replicate ourselves as a species and so much more.
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Right now, Davos is going on.
We had yesterday the great Jack Pasobic, who was detained by the World Economic Forum Praetorian Guard, simply for doing journalistic work on the streets of Davos, Switzerland.
The World Economic Forum is meeting about all sorts of different issues.
Renewable energy and the environment are forefront issues.
They're talking about mass migration and how they're going to support Zelensky.
Some of the news out of yesterday is that Zelensky has said that he wants $5 billion a month.
That's right.
He wants $5 billion a month from the world, that we must now subsidize the entire Ukrainian government, that the Ukrainian government must become a proxy state of the American regime in the West.
So a lot of this is unfolding right now in Davos.
But if you look carefully and if you look closely, there's something that is missing from the conversation amongst the world's elites.
In fact, the opposite is actually happening.
They are addressing an issue completely and totally incorrectly in the wrong way.
And it's an issue that impacts every single person in the world.
It's an issue that's happening in front of our very eyes.
And in fact, if you go back a couple years on the Charlie Kirk show, I remember we did this podcast back in June or July of 2020.
I remember exactly where I was.
I was in Aspen, Colorado, where we did this podcast warning about the looming, catastrophic, and immediate population collapse that is happening in the West and around the world.
Put simply and plainly, we are not having enough children.
Birth rates are plummeting in the industrialized world.
Now, we need to ask ourselves the question, why are people having less kids?
We're going to explore that throughout this hour.
But how often do you hear your Republican politicians or people in the news media dive into great detail about the looming population catastrophe in front of you?
The disintegration, if you will, of our ability to continue our species as we know it.
The World Economic Forum is talking about every possible fringe issue.
But the issue that is front and center, the issue that is so clearly in front of them that they are ignoring is: will our species be able to continue?
Will our population go beyond replication levels?
In fact, the tone and the tenor amongst the World Economic Forum seems to be one of almost an encouraging depopulation movement.
Now, I want to be very clear when I say that.
I'm not saying they want to have mass murder of people, but there is a cheering or there is an encouragement of this idea that people are the problem, that human beings are the cancer, and the solution will be less of them.
John Kerry said this in Cut 42.
He said, look, we're dealing with a man-made crisis, and it is human beings who are at fault.
Play Cut 42.
You can run around the planet, and there isn't any country on the planet that isn't feeling and living the impacts of the climate crisis.
And the oceans, they are at risk.
The chemistry changing faster than they have in millions of years.
And you can't solve the problem of the oceans if you don't solve climate.
You can't solve the problem of climate if you don't solve the ocean.
So we're dealing with a crisis here, folks.
It's a crisis made by human beings.
Now, this is one issue and one topic where you see the world's elites and the community of the world's richest directly at odds with the world's richest man.
This is one issue where you see Elon Musk in complete disagreement with the Davos crew.
You see, the predominant prevailing consensus in Davos is that we human beings have been a plague on the world and there needs to be less of us.
That eventually we're going to have to plateau and bring down the amount of people that are in the world.
Now, this is a very pessimistic and negative view of humanity.
We reject it wholeheartedly here on this program.
On this program, we believe human beings are so special that the more human beings on this planet, the better.
In fact, we believe that human beings are part of the solution of the betterment of the condition of our species.
That we believe, more particularly on this program, that all people are made in the image of God and they are image bearers.
And this idea of this kind of Malthusian eugenicist argument that we must abolish or eliminate people for the sake of environmental protections, not only is it an incredibly dangerous idea, but it's also just not true.
Play Cut 43, Elon Musk is trying to warn people, we simply do not have enough people.
Where some people think like having fewer kids is like better for the environment.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Total nonsense.
The environment is going to be fine.
They're going to be fine even if we doubled the size of the humans.
A lot of people just think that having kids is somehow bad for the environment.
I want to be clear, it's not.
It's essential for maintaining civilization that we at least maintain our numbers.
We don't necessarily need to grow dramatically, but at least let's not gradually dwindle away until civilization ends with us all in adult diapers in a whimper.
If you look at the numbers, the U.S. total fertility rate in 2021 remained below the replacement level of 2.1.
We are below the level of replication.
People are having less children than ever before.
Why?
Why are people having less children?
Where part of it is an entire generation that's being raised that having children is not a moral good.
That having children is not necessary.
that it actually could be a stain on the environment.
In fact, there's an entire movement of people that are having hysterectomies and vasectomies for the environment.
You think I'm joking?
There is an online community that is growing of people that have made the decision to try and, let's say, alter their parts to try to save the trees.
The disintegration of our ability to replicate ourselves seems to be rather important.
But what is the World Economic Forum focusing on?
Not that.
They are the ones that are actually pushing forward the hyper-environmental agenda that is at odds with the flourishing and the prosperity of humanity.
Cut 36 at the World Economic Forum going on in Davos right now.
We are subsidizing the problem.
We need to use precious cash to move forward faster.
We need to move more collaboratively when it comes to renewable energy and environmental directives.
Play Cut 36.
We could stop subsidizing the past.
Today, 70% of the incentives that they are putting for the industry of energy, they go to fossil-based alternatives.
Only 20%, they go to renewable energy.
We're subsidizing the problem.
Let's use that precious cash to move fast forward to make that transition a little bit better.
You know, the people that want less people in the world, you should be really skeptical of them.
Why don't you want to use precious cash to try to say, boy, we need more human beings in the world?
This is a flawed argument where they believe that any sort of environmental outlying, outliers, any sort of environmental issues are a byproduct of human beings having too many people.
We believe it to be the opposite.
And Elon pinpoints this because Elon is not an ideologue.
These people are ideologues where they almost see the world easier to control if there were just less chess pieces on the board.
You see, it becomes easier to manage a smaller population, and especially if families are not big and strong and vibrant, big families are a direct threat to global government.
Reviving Self-Government Through Values00:09:20
Let me say that again.
Big and flourishing and connected families and communities are a direct threat to global government.
And for the World Economic Forum, I hope you're hearing me clearly.
I am much more afraid of global government than I am of global warming.
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So how do you make DC less powerful?
This is something that we complain a lot about how powerful D.C. is, how corrupt the Department of Justice is, how corrupt our intel agencies have become, how overreaching the federal bureaucracies are.
How do you make D.C. less powerful?
Well, part of the new right is a decentralization agenda.
And I think this is a great kind of common cause that we can have with a lot of classical liberals, libertarians, even moderate Republicans.
Now, there's some things where I think I'll disagree with some of those people on, particularly with immigration or maybe the transgender issue.
But I believe there is very firm common cause on this issue of taking power away from Washington, D.C.
I believe there is a lot of momentum behind this idea of the revival of self-government, of you should be able to make the decisions for yourself.
And if not you, then you should participate in a local town and then state or county and then state and then federal.
It's that we immediately look to the cable news channels of Washington, D.C. as the most important place to be able to dictate and determine your life.
And the founding fathers understood that the states created the federal government, the federal government didn't create the states, and the needs, wants, and concerns of somebody from Boston is a lot different than the needs, wants, and concerns of somebody from Mesa, Arizona.
There's geographic differences.
There's cultural differences.
There's all sorts of differences.
And to try to have a one-size-fits-all governing strategy from Washington, D.C., from the Pullet Bureau, from the bureaucracy, it inherently makes the margin for error increased because if you mess it up, it messes it up for everybody.
Whereas if something is messed up in Mesa, then maybe Scottsdale might actually still be able to have its act together.
Or St. Louis can have its act together.
This is the moral argument for local government.
Now, whenever you talk about local government, the other side starts to scream at the top of their lungs as if the worst parts of humanity will terrorize people in that local area.
They talk about Jim Crow 2.0 in the South and all that, kind of the typical talking points, without recognizing or realizing that the true spirit of self and local government is what sparks the change, that you must be accountable to the people in your local area.
Local government is a direct corollary with accountability.
So you make D.C. less powerful also by having larger families.
Reversing our plummeting and collapsing birth rate makes Washington, D.C. far less instrumental in your life.
When there are less families and less babies and less children being born, a couple things happen.
You start to look to government for more meaning and purpose and direction.
When you have large families, you then all of a sudden are able to sustain yourself, your need for meaning, a lot easier than if you were childless or not even married to begin with.
You start to try to find meaning in other places.
You know, I always say that the BLM movement or the kind of alphabet mafia, if you will, it kind of gives people their daily quota of meaning.
Like I put the flag in my yard.
I have the BLM sticker.
Instead of raising a child or going to church, which is actually much more constructive ways to try to find a connection to a higher purpose.
Now, look, large families are a proven hedge against tyranny.
We went through in detail what Aristotle said of the ways that they try to control you as a tyrant.
One of the ways they try to break your will.
If you have a family, your will is a lot stronger because you have something to fight for.
If you have a family, all of a sudden you realize that there's something greater than yourself, that it's not just your own feelings or your own existence, but you're part of something that you are only a member of.
There's actually a beautiful sense of peace and satisfaction when that occurs.
When you realize you're not the most important thing in the world, that you're part of something that will actually live on beyond you.
You're part of what Edmund Burke would call the three-tied knot, honoring what came before, honoring what is today, and honoring what has yet to become.
But also, large families de-radicalize a population.
When families have lots of children and the birth rate is going in a favorable direction, these bad left-wing, meaning void-filling ideas or that fill the void of meaning, they start to not really resonate.
People say, wait a second, defund the police.
I have three kids.
I want them to be protected.
Critical race theory doesn't make any sense.
I want them to learn American values and history.
We are experiencing large in part the tyranny of the childless.
Many of these bad ideas and these policies are being put forward by people that are not married, that do not have children.
They have no interest in those.
That's okay if you're not married, you don't have children.
It's not an accusation against you.
The question is: are you against having more children in society?
It de-radicalizes a population.
So it's not just necessary for the species, it's actually really helpful to save the greatest civilization ever to exist, which is the West.
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We're talking about the looming population collapse in America, birth rates that are going down.
And so now, as the World Health Organization looks to meet in Geneva, Switzerland, it's not a big leap to think that if they can declare a public health emergency with this new WHO treaty ending U.S. sovereignty, they could also come in and implement a version of the one-child policy saying that children and human beings are a threat to all humanity.
Humanity as Carbon Footprints00:13:25
It all kind of goes back to the WHO and World Economic Forum, all of these different themes that we're talking about.
So the World Economic Forum is unfolding, and they want to end the sovereignty of our bodies and the sovereignty of our nation.
And it's all part of a theme, it seems, to squeeze out the will to continue to want to have children.
Now, there's an article for NBC News that all of you need to be aware of here.
It says here, science, this is from 2017, science proves kids are bad for Earth.
Morality suggests we stop having them.
What a sanctimonious and smug headline.
Whenever smugness is articulated, you better believe there's a liberal behind it.
Liberals are the masters of the smug.
They are the masters of the sanctimonious.
That's why they want us to be subjects, not citizens.
They literally and figuratively want to look down upon you.
We call this ivory tower syndrome.
They believe they are better than you.
Best articulated by Hillary Clinton, calling Trump voters deplorables and racist, misogynist, homophobes, Islamophobes.
Morality suggests, as if you are against the idea of having more children, you're immoral.
The article written by Travis Reeder, director of and master of bioethics degree program, says, quote, we need to stop pretending kids don't have environmental and ethical consequences.
So their ethical framework is that the planet and the trees matter more than human beings, even though it's a false assumption that human beings are actually harming these things.
This is an article written for NBC News: quote: A startling and honestly distressing view is beginning to receive serious consideration in both academic and popular discussion of climate change ethics.
According to this view, having a child is a major contributor to climate change.
The logical takeaway here is that everyone on earth ought to consider having fewer children, NBC News writes.
Although culturally controversial, the scientific half of this position is fairly well established.
Several years ago, scientists showed that having a child, especially for the world's wealthy, is one of the worst things you could do for the environment.
The data was recycled this past summer in a paper showing that none of the activities, most likely reduce individuals' carbon footprints, are widely discussed.
I'm going to pause right there.
Carbon footprints.
Well, that's where the World Economic Forum is spreading, sending a lot of their attention.
This is kind of a language pattern you're going to start to see.
NBC News says, stop having kids.
World Economic Forum boasts about how we're going to have trackers following your individual carbon footprint.
Play Cut 41.
We're developing through technology an ability for consumers to measure their own carbon footprint.
What does that mean?
That's where are they traveling?
How are they traveling?
What are they eating?
What are they consuming on the platform?
So, individual carbon footprint tracker.
The environmental issue is a gateway for a surveillance state, for a social credit system, and for depopulation.
You can justify any of the long-held tyrannical aims and ambitions of the regime under the excuse of the climate.
NBC News writes, the second moral aspect of the view that perhaps we ought to have fewer children is also being taken seriously in many circles.
Indeed, I have written widely on the topic myself, Travis Reeder says.
The argument that having a child adds to one carbon footprint depends on the view that each of us have a personal carbon ledger for which we are responsible.
Furthermore, some amount of an offspring's emissions count towards the parent's ledger.
Let me tell you why I hate this entire argument.
It is so incredibly pessimistic.
Now, at times, I push back against kind of what I call the cult of inevitable improvement of technology.
I don't like it, where they all technology is great all the time, but it's inarguable that some technological advances have actually helped with carbon emissions, more efficient cars, natural gas.
So, just because you have more people does not mean you will not be able to find more efficient ways to be able to exist.
And also, to what extent are human beings actually participating in climate change?
This is a wordy way of saying, is climate change anthropogenic?
Anthro, of course, meaning human.
So, they always say, you know, they kind of do this to kind of intimidate you, quite honestly, to say like big words.
Okay, you just mean man-made.
I'm like, no, no, it's anthropogenic.
Okay, so you mean man-made.
But they're trying to basically dial down rather dismissing any other possible contributions.
But let's pretend they are right.
Let's pretend that it is all 100% man-made.
Have they factored into any of their arguments?
Science says kids are bad.
Morality suggests we stop having them.
What an unbelievably negative view of humans.
That we will not be able to adapt or adjust.
We are an adapting species.
It's amazing how God made us.
Go into an ice tub.
I do it quite often, actually.
It's great.
Wakes you up.
Immediately, your body adapts and sends blood to your extremities.
Knows exactly what to do.
What happens when you're in the heat?
You start sweating.
What happens when you're hungry?
Your body starts to direct your fat reserves to your brain.
Actually, some of your great mental breakthroughs might happen when you're fasting.
It's because the way God made our bodies, that if you have to eat, all of a sudden you'll start seeing colors more clearly.
That if you're in the wild, food then becomes a top priority.
When you're thirsty, your mouth starts to get parched.
Your body adapts to its circumstance and its environment.
But according to these incredible dystopian and negative theorists, they think that just because there are more human beings, the world is going to end.
What an awful way to live your life.
And this is similar to kind of what we talked about on our Ask Me Anything episode that aired on Monday, but we did it, aired on Friday and we posted it on Monday, which is if the future is fixed, which is if the binary choice is we must abolish humanity as we know it and massively depopulate or the world will completely and totally disintegrate.
As if there isn't something where you could say the species can improve, create, take risks, a new generation of entrepreneurs will emerge and allow us to go to a chapter of flourishing that we've never seen before.
As if it's almost like a certainty of pessimism.
Continues in the article, but scientific evidence and moral theorizing aside, this is a complicated question with plenty of opponents.
And what follows, I will address some of the challenges to this idea.
Because what I recognize is this is an uncomfortable discussion.
I believe the seriousness of climate change justifies uncomfortable conversations.
You're trying to tell me this is not a religion?
I'm going to say something controversial.
Andrew will be ready for all the press backlash.
If this is implemented, this idea of environmental extremism, it will do more damage than any other belief system that the left tells you to fear.
Let me say that again.
If the radical environmental depopulation, children are the problem, we must rid the world of human beings, actually gets implemented in its purest form, it will do more damage to the species than any of the other ideas the media tells us to fear.
It really does kind of come down to how the left views humanity.
And if you look at humanity as nothing more than what your carbon footprint is, I mean, a different way to say it is like you're nothing more than a junk emitter.
You're a spreader of debris.
You're like a breathing contan contaminator, I should say.
A litter bug with a brain.
You see, it comes from a false moral premise in this entire ridiculous article, and NBC articulates it, which is that somehow the earth is supreme and that we must be subservient to the earth.
Now, the biblical construct is completely the opposite, which is that human beings are here to flourish and grow and to enjoy the earth, that you must have dominion over the earth.
You must understand that sort of belief is not necessarily widespread, especially amongst the earth-worshiping religions of the world.
And we as Christians would call them pagan.
But if you do have an earth-worshiping religion, this idea that the earth is there for our enjoyment, for our benefit, or for our flourishing, is wildly controversial.
If the earth itself is a God, then why would you ever frack?
You wouldn't.
If the earth itself is worthy of worship, now I want to be very clear.
I love the environment.
I love getting out.
I want clean air and clean water.
I believe it's created by God for human beings, and I want future generations to be able to enjoy it.
However, when the decision needs to be made, it's very simple how you have to just reduce this down.
When the decision has to be made between the flourishing and the survival of human beings or the pathological protection of some insect or some non-useful piece of land, then you always must side with the human.
And you see this tension with energy policy in America.
I mean, we haven't really touched on it very much.
We've been very busy on the World Economic Forum stuff, but we are hitting new record gas prices every single day.
And believe it or not, if these trends continue, Russia and the ruble is actually going to have one of the best years they've ever had, despite the attempt to try to create them into a pariah state.
The higher the price of gas goes, the more powerful Vladimir Putin becomes.
It's kind of interesting.
It's almost like he gamed out that entire thing.
But you look at the moral problem with the environmental agenda of this administration.
Deep down, they believe that fossil fuels are not the true polluters.
They think you're the junk emitter.
They think you are the one doing the contamination.
That you're nothing more than a collection of carbon footprints that is contaminating the earth.
We look at it differently.
Those of us that are rooted in team reality, we look at the human species and the human being as being something so exceptionally made with a heart, a soul, a mind, a body, the combination of all of that.
Now, obviously, we have a religious undertone with that, but even if you're completely secular and you're not a believer, it is unquestionable to say that the human itself is unlike anything created in the world.
Its ability to reason, to feel, to think.
As Aristotle would say, the human being is the only being that can blush, that can feel shame.
We are the speaking beings.
We are the only being on the planet that can speak, not communicate.
That's different.
A dog can feel pleasure and pain.
A human can decipher right from wrong.
Morality is a human condition.
There is no morality in the wild.
In the wild, there is no protection of the innocent.
The strong dominate the weak, and that's it.
There is no, the weak animal gets discarded out to nature.
There is no sympathy for the weaker deer or the willbe beast.
There is fear of the lion, and you flee from it.
But in the human construct, we have charity.
We have benevolence.
We have a totally different construct.
And so it's not too far-fetched to say that the environmentalists, when you extrapolate their belief as far as it goes to earth worship and all of this, they're also at odds with the morality of actually what a human being is in its essence, a speaking being, and the moral construct that comes along with it.
We are on the verge of a serious and almost irreversible population collapse with a generation that is having less children than ever before, that is getting married less than ever before, that is, of course, also more suicidal, more miserable, more alcohol-addicted, more drug-addicted than any other generation in history.
Strong Families Buffer Big Government00:00:42
Strong families are a buffer against big government.
They're a buffer against widespread and absolute despotism, authoritarianism, and tyranny.
Large families give people meaning and keep civilizations alive.
If we're serious about getting America and our civilization back to greatness, let's start with the most simple thing we could do, which is to protect and rebuild the American family and have lots of children.
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