On this episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, Charlie celebrates the Right's latest win against the Regime with the demise of the DHS's Disinformation Governance Board. Nina Jankowicz has resigned amidst intense backlash sparked by conservatives online. Charlie details the next moves conservatives need to take to keep the momentum going beginning with the mounting pressure from activists that has resulted in electoral victories in blue states, the collapse of CNN+, Disney's woke fall out, and more. Next, he is joined by Baylor University's Head Basketball Coach and national champion, Scott Drew, to discuss his new book, "The Road to Joy," where he walks Charlie through his successful coaching strategy, faith, and and key insights that have helped propel him to becoming one of the most accomplished leaders in all of collegiate sports.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Disinformation and Governance00:11:32
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It is rare that we're able to say that some of the mockery and backlash that we are able to create is actually successful.
And we're so used to kind of being outraged about things and nothing actually improving.
Well, the Department of Homeland Security, as you well know, DHS, came out a couple weeks ago with their new Ministry of Truth, the Orwellian Surveillance Board that was going to be chaired by the very sad individual, Nina Jankowicz, with a really bizarre singing routine and kind of the perpetually sarcastic and ironic tone that she takes to all things politics.
So Nina Jankowicz was supposed to run this thing, 33 years old, author of How to Lose the Information War and How to Be a Woman Online.
Of course, the question is, what is a woman exactly, Nina Jankowicz?
She was relentlessly mocked by this program included, not because she's just a random person.
We don't make a habit of doing that, but because she was going to have a badge, going to be able to investigate people because she didn't like their tweets.
That was one of her things.
She said, I want to be able to edit people's tweets online.
Well, Nina Jankowicz went very viral for some of her videos.
Do we have some of those videos still?
And it's just so incredible what happened.
Effective today, Nina Jankowicz has resigned from the Disinformation Board.
Can't handle it, Nina, I guess.
You're not up to online chatter, it seems, when your own words are held against you.
And the Biden regime has now paused the Disinformation Government's Board, and they are considering it shutting it down all the way together.
Nina Jankowicz has resigned and she's gone back to now go write fan fiction for Harry Potter or whatever.
It's called Pottermore.
Is that what that website is called?
That's what Nina Jankowicz is going to go spend her time doing.
Singing weird Mary Poppins songs with her cats.
See, we don't know she owns a cat, but I bet she does.
This is a good win for Freedom and Liberty in the Constitution.
The Disinformation Governance Board, I think the straw that broke the camel's back was not anything that we did.
I think it was Bill Maher.
Bill Maher went after Nina Jankowicz this last weekend and was like, come on, guys.
Are we really doing this?
And I think when Bill Maher went all in, the liberal intelligentsia said, Yeah, you know, the full court Orwellian thing, where it's literally called the disinformation board, probably too much.
Taylor Lorenz, fellow degenerate person on Twitter who does nothing better but tries to unmask identities of the libs of TikTok, has said, quote, Scoop, just three weeks after its announcement, the Disinformation Governance Board is being paused, and intra-departmental DHS working groups focused on disinformation have been suspended.
Nina Jankowicz is considering leaving.
Leave my read my full story.
I will not read your story, Taylor Lorenz.
Jack Poseobic is largely to thank for this.
They're saying to blame for it, the wonderful Jack Pesobic from Turning Point USA, Human Events Daily.
The Washington Post writes: Just hours after Jankowicz tweeted about her new job, the far-right influencer Jack Poseobic posted a tweet accusing the Biden administration of creating a ministry of truth.
By the end of the day, there were 53,235 posts on Twitter mentioning the Disinformation Governance Board, many referencing Jankowicz by name, according to a report by Advanced Democracy, a nonpartisan nonprofit organization that conducts public interest research.
In the days following that number, skyrocketed.
What I love about this is that there are think tanks that are funded on the left where their full-time job is to say, hey, what went wrong with this thing?
Find out who did it.
You know who it was Jack Poseobic.
That's who did it.
They had to do a whole study and analysis.
The Advanced Democracy, a nonpartisan nonprofit organization who did a whole study of, so where did we go wrong here?
Of course, it wasn't the Mary Poppins singing.
It wasn't the really bizarre like Harry Potter mentions.
It wasn't her constantly sarcastic, ironic tone towards everything.
It wasn't the fact where she said she just wants to be able to censor political dissidents, or the fact that you just kind of have a child running the disinformation board.
No, no, no.
According to the Washington Post and Advanced Democracy, it's those pesky far-right influencers, Jack Pesobic.
It's a big win.
You saw it at every corner.
Tucker covered it.
Levin covered it.
All about the Disinformation Governance Board.
And it looks like it's going to be no longer.
Now, why is that?
Does the left no longer believe in it?
No.
One of the reasons why I think they're pausing this is it was such an extreme, flagrant, defiant, public measure and move to try to stifle and silence speech in our country.
That the Biden regime had so many problems, they said, oh, my goodness, is the woman singer still around?
Can we just make one thing less dramatic?
Now, mind you, this all was kind of bubbling up because in the last couple of days, she was supposed to testify in front of Congress.
And I would have loved anything.
To have Senator Kennedy from Louisiana to be able to testify, to have her testify to him, would have been hilarious.
Josh Hawley, Ted Cruz, any one of those guys, Rand Paul.
And they just abruptly canceled the hearing.
Like, we don't want to do it.
This is a victory, everybody.
You see, the left made a big mistake here.
The left is never as strong as we think they are.
Most of the left's strength comes in the appearance of strength.
Most of their strength is a mirage.
And so what they should have done is they should have doubled down on this.
They should have tripled down on this.
It would have made at least themselves seem more like they're really into kind of the police state thing.
It would have made a lot more people fearful.
The fact they back away from this shows how weak they actually are and how strong we are.
This is actually against their rules.
Usually the left doubles and triples down, and they might de-emphasize it, but rarely do they actually bend the knee.
Now, is it a force of gravity thing?
Potentially, but it's not like it was a funding problem.
It's not as if the DHS was going to run out of money.
You're going to wonder if this was going to be like a political liability heading into the midterms, and it probably would.
Can't imagine that Mark Kelly in Arizona running for the Senate would say, you know, I know our border is wide open, but don't worry.
We have this person in Cut 67 running our disinformation board.
Play Cut 67.
Information laundering is really quite ferocious.
It's when a huckster takes some lies and makes them sound precocious by saying them in Congress or a mainstream outlet.
So disinformation's origins are slightly less atrocious.
You see, what you just did, what all of us just did by shining a light, is making one tyrant less powerful.
That's a good day to be alive, isn't it?
The Mary Poppins girl, she lost her badge.
She's resigned.
And the Disinformation Governance Board has been put in jeopardy.
And it's because of you and it's because of this program, because of Jack Pesobic.
Obviously, they're showing that.
Jack, who's a frequent guest here and works with us at Turning Point USA.
We can win.
We can win.
These people can be defeated.
Sometimes you got to mock them.
Sometimes you got to draw them out.
Sometimes you got to pinpoint exactly what they're doing.
This should give you a shot of optimism because you think anywhere in the cards or the plans the last couple weeks was to basically bend the knee and show a sign of weakness?
No.
That shows how overwhelmingly effective we were.
Now, to be honest, the left was so dumb to appoint this person to be the head of the governance board.
They couldn't find some like octogenarian who's like super bored.
No, no, no.
You see, they thought it would be a good idea to have a young woman who understands how to log into thefacebook.com.
You see, having some sort of octogenarian would have been like, what's TikTok?
Again, no, no, no, but having Nina Jankowitz, the perpetually sarcastic, ironic, sardonic Mary Poppins Harry Potter girl, they thought it would be a cool thing to be able to win people over.
They lost.
The board is in limbo.
And now we got to make sure it goes to completion.
Disassemble the board and make sure it never happens again.
It is not a role of the federal government to have a ministry of truth, an Orwellian construct that polices speech and tells you what is true and not true.
CNN Plus, gone.
Netflix, cratered.
Disney, cratered.
Disinformation board, disassembled.
We can win, everybody.
We will.
But as Sawolinsky said, you got to keep the pressure on.
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We are keeping our eyes peeled on the Senate race, Senate primary, I should say, in Pennsylvania.
It's remarkably close.
There's anywhere between 40 to 60,000 ballots left to count with Dr. Oz in the current lead.
Let me do some math here.
It looks by 2,400 votes.
I'm sure there might be a more updated tally, but it seems about right.
And 2,400 votes separating Dr. Oz and Dave McCormick in a very crowded primary.
Dr. Roz received the endorsement of President Trump, and we're going to keep our eyes on that.
It's very important we keep that Senate seat.
There's some really good news.
When you look at the turnout and the trends for the Republican Party, and I want to play Cut 52 in a second, which is Representative Elise Stefanik saying if you look at the state of Pennsylvania, 62% of unaffiliated voters broke for and voted for the Republican Party.
So you can see the energy and the enthusiasm is there.
Let's play Cut 52, and then I want to pair that with Cut 4.
Play Cut 52.
My top line thoughts, Harris, was this was a big night for the Republican Party.
Here are some important statistics that haven't been covered yet, but are really an indicator of how big this red wave is going to be this November.
This was the highest Republican turnout across the board in a primary in over two decades.
Also, if you look at the state of Pennsylvania, 62% of unaffiliated voters broke for and voted for the Republican Party.
So you can see the energy is there, the enthusiasm is there.
We got to continue to work to make the case about how we will save this country from the destruction we're seeing under unified, failed, far-left Democrat government.
Pennsylvania is a perfect example of a state that used to lean center-left, but now it's a legitimate battleground state thanks to the leadership of President Trump and bringing out that muscular class.
Now, the Democrat running is this kind of fake populist.
You got to give the Democrats credit.
They certainly know how to pretend to be in the demographic they're trying to win over.
You look at this guy, John Fetterman, and we do wish him a speedy recovery.
Not trying to conflate the two things, but he certainly, just from like a political standpoint, looks like a perfect every like he looks like a muscular labor steel worker, coal miner, truck driver type guy.
He walks around with the shorts and the sweatshirt.
He's like six foot eight.
He's got the whole look going.
But in reality, he's actually even more liberal than Chuck Schumer.
He's like a Bernie Sanders guy.
He's extremely, extremely far to the left.
Want to play cut four?
New NBC News poll shows Democrats are in serious trouble.
Play cut four.
Voters' views about the economy begin to harden in an election year around May.
That theory holds Democrats are in some serious trouble right now because in our new NBC news poll, just 16% say the country's headed in the right direction, while a whopping 75% say we're on the wrong track.
In fact, that wrong track number has been 70-plus for seven months, which in the past has signaled big losses for the governing party.
President Biden's numbers have hit a new low.
Only 39% approve of his job performance against 56% who disapprove.
Trends are not good for Democrats.
Winning the National Title00:16:09
We know that.
And these primaries are so important that we get the right candidates.
There's some big primaries still coming up.
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We have a great guest coming up here in just a second.
I actually have a copy of the book right here: The Road to Joy by Scott Drew, who is the head coach of the Baylor Bears in Waco, Texas.
I almost went to Baylor when I almost went to college, ended up not doing that.
But one of the most amazing tournament runs I remember in my memory, I'm a huge college basketball guy.
And that was when they beat Gonzaga last year.
And it's just a remarkable story.
I'm actually enjoying just flipping through the book right here.
And he's with us right now.
It is Scott Drew, author of The Road of Joy and the head coach of the Baylor Bears basketball team.
Coach Drew, thank you for joining the program.
Well, thanks for having me on it.
And I love to hear that you're a big college basketball fan.
So that's a great thing.
And the fact that you almost went to Baylor, you know, you still can come.
All right.
We can get you.
I can't.
I'm told.
If they'd take me, we'll see.
So, Coach, thank you.
I'm loving flipping through the book.
And first of all, what I love is that every chapter opens with a verse and a scripture and kind of sets the kind of framing and the tone.
So just tell our audience a little bit about your story.
I just love this one line here.
It's just amazing.
It's where you got the job at Baylor.
You said the next day I walked up to the microphone and declared that our goal was to win a national title.
My claim generated some headlines the next day, but God was the one who was ultimately writing the story.
Just tell us about your story and just kind of weave in how you won the national title.
It's awesome.
Well, similar to you, grew up with those Midwest winners.
I was in Valparaiso, Indiana.
You were in the Chicagoland area.
So we both got that lake effect snow and all that ice.
So, you know, first chance I had to go to Baylor, largest Baptist school in the nation.
So I always love being able to share my faith.
So it's a Christian school.
And the great thing is we didn't have to deal with the lake effects snow in central Texas.
So 68 degrees in February is a lot better than negative 10 wind chill.
And then from there, Baylor's got a great academic reputation.
Obviously, being the largest Baptist school, spiritually, you can pour into people.
And we call it preparing champions for life.
It's character formation, academics, success, and then spiritual growth, along with athletic excellence.
And so with us, it was just recruiting to our niche.
People that would want to send their sons and daughters to a place like Baylor and have a chance to compete at the highest level and win the national championship.
And that's what we did.
And God really blessed us, bringing some great student athletes for us to have an opportunity to coach.
That's just awesome.
And it didn't happen overnight.
So talk about the process.
There were some ups and downs.
So just talk a little bit about that and how your faith really anchored you.
And just the way you weave scripture throughout this book is just so awesome.
Just talk a little bit about that.
Well, Charlie, we all wish we could have success as quick as you've had it.
All right.
Some of us, it took a little longer.
You know, we weren't as smart as you.
So With us, the first four years really was trying to build a roster.
And then in year five, we go to the NCA tournament.
When I first got to Baylor, my dad, who's a Hall of Fame coach and somebody that I had the privilege to coach under and then become the head coach at Valparaiso University for a year before coming down here.
But at Valpo, the first four or five years were really tough on him.
And his advice was, I'm going to take you through the book of Job while you're getting this program started.
By year four, I'm like, does the book of Job ever end?
You know, I mean, like, is there other books in the Bible?
So, but, but anyway, we've always been a Christ-centered program.
And we've had a culture of joy.
And the title, Jesus Others Yourself, that's what joy stands for.
And if you have an I am third mentality, you're putting other people before you.
You're a servant leader.
People all want to be a part of that kind of team.
They want to be at work for a boss like that.
They want to be in an organization like that.
So in the Bible, you know, teacher, what's the greatest commandment of the law?
Love your God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and love your neighbors yourself.
And at Baylor, we try to put others first.
And it's fun being a part of teams like that.
Well, talk about how that works in the highly competitive atmosphere of college sports.
I mean, I have the college teams that I like.
And I mean, fans could be pretty brutal.
I mean, especially alumni and, you know, people that are given to the program, given to the university, and a lot of pressure for you to kind of deliver and to perform.
So talk to us about how that acronym, you know, Jesus others yourself, how does that play out when you're now in the suite 16, you're in the elite eight.
You know, talk about how you properly prioritize your day and how you teach these young men to look vertically, not just look inwardly at themselves all the time.
What does that look like in practice?
Great question.
So just to start out with, we usually start practice in prayer, end practice in prayer.
Players have a players-only Bible study that they attend during season once or twice a week, once every week or every other week.
We have NBA chapel services, meaning days a game, we'll run a chapel service just like they do in the NBA.
So if you're staying grounded spiritually and you're right off the court, it's a lot easier to be right on the court.
And it's kind of like eating.
You can have a great meal, but the next day you're hungry again.
So spiritually, we're trying to make sure our players are fed and growing.
We try to make sure academically they're preparing themselves for life after basketball.
And then character formation, that they're becoming all that God's created them to be.
And they're blessed to play basketball, but eventually that ball's going flat.
What are they going to do?
What kind of husbands, fathers are they going to be?
How are they going to impact and make this world a better place?
And with all of those things, we've won the game of life.
We know where we're going after life.
So God doesn't call us on earth to have a pity party.
I mean, we win a game or lose a game.
It's kind of like our own personal kids.
They win a game or lose a game.
Do we still love them?
Absolutely.
So are you upset when you lose?
Yeah.
If you like losing, you're probably not competitive.
You're not successful.
But at the same time, it's easier to go to bed at night when you know you've won the game of life and you know where you're going.
And with that, again, we bring in elite players.
They want to play at the highest level.
They want to be successful.
They want to win.
But the pressure is not the same for someone who doesn't know where they're going or why they're playing or who they're playing for.
And we call playing for an audience of one.
I mean, God gave us this talent and ability.
You play your best for him and let the chips fall where they may.
So talk a little bit about being a Christian leader.
I find this to be so interesting, which is, I believe we have a lack of leaders right now, especially leaders that are filled with faith.
Day one, you set the vision, right?
The Bible says, without a vision, the people perish.
You're like, we're going to go win the national title.
And that took years of building.
And so just talk about how important it was to have the right assistance in place, what you learned along the way to be able to kind of put that team together.
And, you know, the book talks a lot about this.
Again, it's the road to joy.
I encourage everyone to pick up a copy of what do you think are some of the biggest lessons as a personal leader that you developed over the last couple of years, especially with all the trials and kind of difficulty it was to be a basketball coach with everything that happened the last couple of years.
Well, we always say this smart take from the strong.
So you're always trying to learn from someone else.
And I think there's a lot of great Christian leaders out there.
I think sometimes we're not in places where we can talk or feel we can talk about our faith as much as we'd like to.
At the end of the day, that I'm blessed to work in a university where I can.
And with that, I know that you look at our staff and who we've surrounded ourselves with.
To me, it's not the best X and O person.
It's not the hardest worker, maybe the most talented recruiter.
It's who fits our culture.
And every day I come to work, life is too short to not be surrounded by people that make you better.
So I want stronger, smarter people in the room, but also I want men of character, men of faith.
People, iron sharpens iron.
It talks about that in the Bible.
That's what I look for in my staff.
And I'm a better husband, father because of the men that we've surrounded.
If you look at, I mean, the book Good to Great, and people talk about getting the right people on the bus.
I mean, to me, if you don't have a great staff, you're not going to be a good head coach.
The next thing is players.
If you don't have players got to have talent, they got to have ability, but if they don't fit your system and what you're about, your culture, the character that you want, they're not going to have fun on that team and they're not going to thrive on that team.
And we're not going to have fun coaching them.
And again, life is too short to be surrounded by people, energy vampires, people that take away from you.
You want people to inspire, motivate, that you can help develop and lead.
And you're not saying everybody's a saint.
We know we all sin.
We're all saved by grace through faith.
So, but we're looking for people that got great hearts and they want to compete.
They want to be a part of a team.
You'd mentioned a lot of pressure, and I told you kind of how we deal with that.
We're blessed because of Baylor.
We have great fans.
I mean, win or lose, they're always behind us, right?
That was a joke.
But we do have, we do, we do need fans that appreciate what we stand for more than just X's and O's and wins and losses.
Every college coach has to be under that kind of pressure from alumni and kind of Monday morning quarterbacks.
But considering how far you've brought the Baylor program, I think every Baylor fan needs to have a lot of gratitude, especially considering the success the last couple of years.
And so I want to kind of read one of the quotes here, which I really enjoy, which is, God loves us enough to meet us where we are, but he loves us too much to leave us there.
Can you expand on that?
Sure.
Again, Jesus came for the sick.
And I mean, all of us sin.
Early on in my faith, I thought that I get to heaven based on the grading curve, right?
Like God's going to want some people in heaven.
And if I'm going to church more than my friends, if I'm cursing less than my friends, if I'm doing this and that better than them, then surely someone's got to get up there.
But then the more you read the Bible and you understand that all of us sin, none of us earn our way into heaven.
It's not by works.
It's a free gift and it's what Jesus did dying for us on the cross.
And it's up to us.
Do we choose to take it or do we do we not?
And that's the great thing about the Christian faith.
You can't go to the tomb and find Jesus.
He's not there.
We serve a living God and He wants the best for us.
But like I can equate it to all parents out there.
Your kids, when they're age seven, eight, nine, 10, whatever, you always, you love them, but you want them to be better.
You want them to mature.
You want them to grow and you want them to improve and you want the best form.
And if we want to spoil and give our children good gifts, just think what God wants to give us.
A perfect father.
So again, that's kind of what was entailed there.
Well, it's beautiful.
And God wants to push us to the next level.
Jesus wants to push us to our best.
God loves enough to meet us where we are, but he loves us too much to leave us there.
Chapter 19 is Slay Goliath.
The verse that goes along with it is, Do not know that in a race, all the runners run, but only get one gets the prize.
Run in such a way as to get the prize.
And it talks about the national championship game and kind of leading up to that.
And there's another great quote here in the book: I pray that as a program, we use the platform that God has given us to help point people towards what true victory looks like.
That's a challenge when you're dealing with college kids that all of a sudden are on top of the world.
They win the national title.
What's your advice to our younger listeners here?
Just stay anchored and keep their faith first, Coach Drew.
Because, you know, when you win the national title, you're a pretty big deal.
How do you kind of keep everyone in check after such a big victory like that?
Well, first and foremost, hopefully, we teach fundamentals every day in basketball.
And the fundamentals are, hopefully, when they're giving interviews, they're doing joy interviews, which is giving credit to Jesus and then others, their teammates, and then themselves last.
We always say greater levels, greater devils.
And so for 100 people that can handle failure, maybe only one can handle success.
So at the end of the day, the place everyone wants to go is to the top.
And it's lonely up there.
And you got to be on point.
So you got to be more grounded than anybody else.
And we talk about that with the players all the time.
And it's a great platform that God has given us.
That's hence why we wrote the book, just to share how He's blessed us and then acknowledge what the players that have sacrificed and how they've sacrificed and the whole Baylor family to help us get to this level.
And there's things in there for business leaders.
Just, I mean, I have Christian friends that they'll do voluntary breakfasts where they'll serve breakfast and there'll be a Bible study or lunches.
They'll serve food for lunch and prayer time with their employees.
And I mean, there's so many different ways to impact people.
It's amazing just if you try to follow what Jesus did in the Bible.
I mean, so often lessons were learned over meals, and those are great opportunities to share your faith and courage.
And who doesn't like a free meal?
So there's a lot of different things in there that hopefully motivate, inspire, and allow people to think outside the box.
Because again, going back to your first thing, I think there's a lot of great Christian leaders out there, and everyone just needs sometimes encouragement.
And I know with us, we've always had a Christ-centered program, but when Clemson won the national title and Dabo talked about their culture of joy and what joy meant to them, and he got it from Tony Dungy.
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inspired me to make it simpler how we do things and reinforce how we do things.
And in coaching, we're always trying to apply the kiss theory, keep it simple, stupid.
And the easier things are, the easier they are for people to understand and follow.
That's beautiful.
So any closing thoughts on the book, Coach Drew?
Again, it's The Road to Joy.
Anything we didn't cover that you want our audience to be aware of?
Well, what I always say is if it was up to coaches in my book, it would have been a picture book.
But Don Yeager has had 11 New York Times bestsellers.
He did a great job in helping write the book.
It's a really easy read.
I know there's principles that apply to everyone out there.
And those are things that we've done that hopefully help inspire, motivate.
And at the end of the day, the book was written just to share what God's done in our program.
And again, Charlie, I think you might attest to this.
I mean, you're at a great place and position.
God's really blessed you.
You look in the Bible.
It's not the biggest, the strongest, the fastest that always win.
Because, I mean, if Goliath beat David, there is no story because Goliaths are supposed to beat David.
But it's the stories in the Bible like Gideon and David.
Those are the ones that God chooses to use.
And all of us can be used by God for a great purpose.
Amen.
Coach, thank you so much for joining us.
It is The Road to Joy by Coach Scott Drew.
Thank you so much, Coach.
You know, in basketball, we can do an A1.
Go ahead.
I got a little time.
You said that you're a basketball fan.
Is there a chance we get you to a Baylor basketball game next year?
What about?
I would be honored.
Done.
Yes.
I will come and I would love it.
Deal.
Okay.
Thanks for having me on the show.
God bless you.
Thank you so much.
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