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May 9, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Ask Charlie Anything 104: Is Overturning Roe Too Radical? Will the Reaction Turn Violent? The Remote Learning Verdict Is In? And MORE
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Defending Freedom Against Radical Ideas 00:15:13
This is Tina.
Tina says, quote, Charlie, I read a column of one of my conservative friends shared on Twitter that was written by someone on the right.
Apparently, it said overturning Roe versus Wade wasn't conservative.
Okay.
So this is a column by Brett Stevens, who used to be a really smart person, and he's just become almost unreadable in recent years.
And this Brett Stevens now writes for the New York Times.
And Brett Stevens wrote this for the New York Times.
Overturning Roe is a radical, not conservative choice.
Now, he calls himself a conservative.
He's just about the same type of conservative as Bill Crystal.
That should tell you everything you need to know.
Dear Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Barrett, Gorsuch Kavanaugh, and Thomas, as you'll no doubt agree, Roe versus Wade was an ill-judged decision when it was handed down January 22nd, 1973.
It continues by saying, Roe versus Wade diminished the standing on the court by turning it into an even more political branch of government.
But a half century is a long time.
America is a different place with most of its population born after Roe was decided.
After a decision to overturn Roe, which the court seemed poised to do, according to the leak of a draft of a majority opinion by Justice Samuel Lito, would do more to replicate gross damage than to reverse it.
He says it would be a radical, not conservative choice.
So Brett Stevens, who I assume is very highly educated, I would like him to tell me what is the definition of radical.
It means to the root, to the core, to the basis.
Brett Stevens asks the question in the New York Times.
What is conservative?
He says.
It is, above all, the conviction that abrupt and profound changes to established laws and common expectations are utterly destructive to respect for the law and institutions established to uphold it.
And especially when those changes are instigated from above with neither Democrat consent nor broad consensus.
Okay, that is not what a conservative is, okay?
If there is an immoral or destructive law, a conservative has a moral obligation to try to repeal it and get rid of it quickly.
A conservative is the defender, not of the, not of the orthodoxy of the time.
A conservative is a defender of what is beautiful, good, and true.
So let me just ask Brett Stevens, was abolishing slavery conservative?
Because according to his argument, he says, look, a conservative believes that abrupt and profound changes to established laws are utterly destructive.
Well, I'm sorry to say that abolishing slavery, according to Brett Stevens, would have been utterly destructive.
Yes, big changes in favor of humanity can be very radical.
It's exactly right.
Brett Stevens calls himself a Biden conservative for the New York Times.
He wrote an article in August of 2020.
He said, it's about upholding your principles at the expense of your politics.
What a joke.
He says, to be a Biden conservative isn't easy.
It's about upholding your principles at the expense of your politics and embracing mediocrity to ward off malevolence.
Above all, it's about curbing your enthusiasm.
If that isn't conservative, what is?
So this idea, really the argument that Brett Stevens is making, and this is a, again, he's just kind of going through the motions of whatever the New York Times wants him to do, is that he says, look, if you want to change things and make them better, there's no way you could be a conservative.
And since when is that ever true?
So we as conservatives believe that some things should not be abruptly changed, like gender norms, like the nuclear family, like homeschooling, like going to church, because those things are beautiful, true, and good.
And so then becomes the most important question, what is beautiful, true, and good?
I'm glad you asked.
How much time you got?
Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
We talk about it every day.
What is good is the essence of the thing.
We could talk for hours, years, decades about how the classical Western canon has contemplated over the idea of what is true.
What is true is what could be proven.
What is true is what points you to a better and happier life.
What is beautiful, that which is perfected in being.
Now, a classical education, which our country was founded on, a biblical classical education, John Adams actually spoke Hebrew.
You couldn't graduate Harvard at the time without actually understanding Hebrew.
There was no debate in the Founding Fathers what was beautiful, good, or true.
There was no debate.
So let me ask this question, Brett Stevens.
What is conservative?
It is above all the conviction that abrupt and profound changes to established laws and common expectations are utterly destructive to respect for the law.
Was the American founding conservative?
Now, hilariously, Edmund Burke, the first conservative, was a British member of parliament and his counterpart, William Pitt, who actually, they were not in favor, but they were sympathetic to the American revolutionary cause.
They understood it.
Very against the French Revolution, as Edmund Burke wrote in his book, Reflections on the French Revolution.
I think that's the title of the book.
It's very good.
Brett Stevens continues, the fact that he continues by saying, Roe versus Wade and Planned Parent of V. Casey says this, quote, as conservatives, you are philosophically bound to give considerable weight to judicial precedence.
No, we're not.
No, not if the precedent is bad, particularly when they have been ratified and refined, as Roe was by the 1992 Planned Parenthood v. Casey decision over a long period of time.
Now, he knows nothing about the actual decision.
The deciding vote was by Anthony Kennedy, who literally wrote in his decision that anyone can define their own meaning.
There's a famous phrase in the Anthony Kennedy decision there.
It was something like, you are the master of your own morality or something, or abstract morality or something like that.
The fact that Planned Parenthood v. Casey somehow somewhat altered the original scheme of Roe, a point that Justice Alito makes much of his draft opinion, doesn't change the fact the court broadly upheld the right to an abortion.
We never have helped the, this is what's so ridiculous, is that we nationalized abortion, Brett Stevens.
So Brett Stevens, wouldn't the conservative thing, because you living in New York and being a Biden conservative are such an authority on this, wouldn't the conservative thing actually bringing back to the states, which this reversing of Roe versus Wade would actually do?
Wouldn't that be the conservative thing?
Brett Stevens writes, again, the conviction that abrupt and profound changes to established laws and common expectations are utterly destructive to respective law would be challenging the Holocaust, be conservative.
No, we're not supposed to challenge laws.
Can't do that.
Anthony Kennedy wrote, quote, at the heart of liberty is the right to define one owns concept of existence, of meaning of the universe, and the mystery of human life.
Anthony Kennedy.
The famous quote that gave us the decision of Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
Brett Stevens writes in the New York Times, the pro-lifers will soon rediscover the meaning of another conservative truism.
Beware of unattended consequences.
Those return to the old, often unsafe, illegal abortions and abortions in Mexico, the entrenchment of pro-life majorities in blue states, and the likely consolidation of pro-choice majorities in purple states, driven by voters newly anxious over their reproductive rights.
Oh, wait, so blue states will become bluer and red states will become redder and children's lives will be saved?
Interesting.
That sounds pretty good.
Americans are almost evenly divided on their personal views of abortion, but only 19% think illegal abortion should be illegal under all circumstances.
It shouldn't be hard to imagine how Americans will react to the court conspicuously providing aid and comfort to the 19%.
That's not what they're doing, Brett Stevens.
That's not what they're doing.
They're sending it back down to the states.
How did this pass a New York Times editorial board?
This doesn't make abortion illegal.
I wish it would.
It doesn't.
It brings it back down to the states.
The word conservative, again, this is such a drive-by shooting of conservatism.
The word conservative encompassed many ideas and habits, none of more important than prudence, which comes from the Greek word prudentia.
Justices, be prudent.
Yes, the prudent thing would be to save the lives of the unborn.
The prudent thing would be able to protect those that can't protect themselves.
That would be the conservative thing to do.
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Norma from Queens says, Charlie, I heard that we're going to face, I heard you say we're going to face confrontation and chaos like we haven't seen since Floyda Palooza once Roe is overturned.
What are some of your ways to respond to an argument to the left?
The left likes to use to justify killing children.
Thanks, Norma from Queens.
Look, the reaction has been extreme.
Let's go to Cut 65, Chuck Schumer, about the outrage about the upcoming repealing of Roe versus Wade, which again just sends it back down to the states.
There will be plenty of babies still murdered in New York City.
Don't worry, Chuck.
I know that's a big concern for him.
Play Cut 65.
I am just, I cannot tell you the outrage I feel at this decision and the outrage I feel that Republicans who did it won't own up to it.
And duck it.
It's despicable.
We're not talking about anything inconsequential.
We're talking about women's health, a women's right to choose, and the millions and millions and millions of American women who have felt the need to have an abortion.
Just about every one of us knows someone in that situation.
Yeah, actually, I don't, Chuck Schumer.
But again, the one thing that really wakes him up and really fires him up is this issue.
Okay, so I'm going to kind of pepper in some clips throughout all of this and kind of talk about this.
The first of which is this, which is there's some talking points about Roe v. Wade.
And again, I'm not really on social media.
I'm told that there's just an enormous amount of chatter happening on social media about these issues.
And we've had the great Lila Rose on here, Seth Gruber, Kristen Hawkins, who has one of the best pro-life videos I've seen in a long time.
Turning Point USA posted it.
I saw it on YouTube.
And I have a very, I'm a tough grader.
And that is one of the best videos I've seen.
She did an unbelievable job against this incredibly just mean activist.
And so one of the arguments is this, is that outlawing abortion doesn't end abortion.
It ends safe abortion.
So in Texas, we saw that just a heartbeat bill in Texas, allow it to happen, actually has decreased the number of abortions.
It's really positive.
There are more babies than ever before.
And the question is, do you believe that abortion is a medical procedure or do you think it's something different?
I believe life begins at conception.
Not just that I believe, it's what's true.
Life does begin at conception.
And when life begins is the most important question.
When does the human life become worthy of protection?
And so we have laws to protect the innocent of a three-year-old or a two-year-old, one that cannot protect themselves.
So why is that, though?
What is the reason for it?
And so this was something the Berkeley people never thought of.
And I asked them a question.
I said, do you believe in the moral principle, in the moral principle of creating law that says that the strong have a moral obligation not to crush the weak or that the strong need to prevent the weak from being crushed?
And if you say no, then you're a eugenicist, which actually is where the abortion movement came from, or you're a Darwinist.
So you believe that the survival of the fittest.
I believe that there is a moral obligation that all human beings created in the image of God, image bearers, should have the protection of the strong of the older and the bigger.
That's baked into all of our laws, by the way.
Our laws are already codified with a moral code.
One of my favorites is they say, Charlie, you can't legislate morality.
That's all you do, is your legislating morality.
All laws point to some morality.
Of course, to some good or what you think is good.
Aristotle wrote that in the ethics, that all human behavior points towards some good, whether it be anti-murder laws, anti-theft laws, or arson, or a good example is, I mean, just to kind of take a sidestep that's seemingly unrelated.
Why is it that you must slow down in a school zone?
Why are you not able to go 75 miles an hour when passing an elementary school?
It's because there's a moral claim that the children that will be crossing on the sidewalk matter.
Why do buses have to stop before they cross a railroad or a rail track?
I guess railroad.
Why is that?
They open up their door just in case the bus is not able to move.
There needs to be built into the law that children have a way to escape that bus, just in case.
All laws point to some morality.
There's no such thing as an agnostic law.
There isn't.
Now, whether you think that should be done at a federal level or state level, totally appreciate that.
That's where the Constitution allows a lot of different safeguards and a lot of different of that.
But this idea that laws can be kind of morally agnostic is just not true.
And if that would be true, then we wouldn't have the very basic laws that have built our civilization.
Don't take people's stuff, don't murder them.
Even seatbelt laws are focused on the preservation of the human.
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Ramona from North Carolina.
Charlie, are we ever going to get justice for what they did during the lockdowns?
She has some pretty, let's say, aggressive four-letter words in there, some swear words.
So I'm not going to continue that.
So I'm just going to summarize her question like that.
There's a new story out that pairs nicely with Ramona's question.
Remote learning, according to freebeacon.com, had an even worse effect on U.S. students' education than was previously known.
K-12 students who attended school from home in the 2021 school year lost 50% of their typical math curriculum learning, according to a Harvard study.
Quote, Emily Oster from Brown University said, It's pretty clear that remote school was not good for learning.
Oh, who would have possibly been able to predict this?
Anthony Fauci and all these people.
Deborah Burks, the scarf woman, did so much damage to our country.
Children are at a low risk of severe illness from death from COVID-19 in school transmissions is also extremely rare.
Quote, in places where schools reopened that summer and fall, the spread of COVID was not noticeably worse than in places where schools remain closed.
Schools also reopen in parts of Europe without seeming to spark outbreaks.
This is intergenerational abuse.
While grandparents were able to still go golf outside and see their property values increase, their grandkids had masks on being abused in schools.
Now, I'm not blaming the grandparents.
I'm not.
But there were plenty of people that receptogenarians and octogenarians that were perfectly fine with locking down the country, while their kids and their grandkids and grandkids in particular have been totally and completely and permanently damaged by the lockdown agenda.
This is from 2020, just a little flashback, and our leaders did very little to fix this.
Young girl explaining how she couldn't live like this anymore.
Masks not seeing friends and family, not going to school, and it, of course, created the most suicidal, depressed, alcohol-addicted generation in history.
PlayCut 82.
We need to do something about it because I can't keep living this life.
It's too much for me.
What life are you living?
Lamps down going in the store, not being able to touch anyone or anything.
I can't be in school and I can't keep friends.
And I especially can't see family.
So it's hard.
Do you miss school?
Yes, I miss school very much.
It's back from 2020.
Here's a report on how parents are happy kids are back in school because online learning was challenging.
PlayCut 83.
Monica Weitz is happy her son Elrod is back in school with his fourth grade classmates because learning online at home had its challenges.
You like getting to see your friends and have recess and gym.
Yeah, yeah.
Columbia University professor Aaron Palace focuses on educational resources and how they're distributed in New York City.
He says there's no question the pandemic shutting down schools, then hybrid learning has been disruptive for students.
Social, emotional, and academic development.
Third graders in 2017, 2018 probably were in much better shape academically than third graders in 2021 and 2022.
One more cut here, Cut 84.
ABC contributed on how online learning has been a disaster.
And we're at a place where online learning doesn't have to be happening anymore.
PlayCut 84.
Yeah, so first of all, remote learning has been a disaster for America's kids.
And I think we have to acknowledge that and we have to do everything we can to minimize any further remote learning.
Even without those other upgrades, which I would like to see, it still is safe for kids and teachers to be back in school.
So I think at this point, there's really no good explanation for having remote schools.
And yet, Randy Whitegarten, who is largely responsible for this, is now saying, look, kids are in crisis.
You created the crisis.
You created the lockdowns.
You pushed for the lockdowns.
You refuse to have these schools be reopened.
Now, remember, not only do they not let a crisis go to waste, as Tiny Dancer Realm Emmanuel would say, they are the crisis makers.
They create the crisis themselves.
PlayCut 44.
Our kids are in crisis.
And we had a mental health crisis before COVID, but with, and Dr. Ng will talk about this far better than I do, but within, but for two years of disruption, two years of looking at the screens, two years of not having a normal kind of routine and rhythm, recovery is really tough.
And yet she created it herself.
She's the architect behind all of these policies that shut down the schools.
She's the head of the American Federation of Teachers that has eight to 10 million members, teacher union members.
She was pushing for school closures.
And she said it was because of COVID.
It was not because of COVID.
It was because of our reaction to COVID.
The damage that this will have done to this generation, it will, I'm not sure if we'll ever find out for the next five to 10 years.
We will have a generation just totally controlled by the pharmaceutical companies for antidepressants, for anxiety disorders, social anxiety disorders, and for what?
What was the positive?
Nothing.
Pairs nicely to this question, Brian from Michigan.
Charlie, explain more about where you think the economy is right now.
Well, that pairs actually our reaction to COVID, which we're still living through to what we're living through with inflation right now.
Play cut 66, Rick Santelli, prices are not going back to where they were.
Play Cut 66.
But prices are not, and I underscore are not going back to where they were.
You need months and months and months of minus signs on year over year, on month over month, CPI and PPI.
Don't think you're going to get months and months of those.
Cut 68, CNBC panelists, I'm concerned about the decline in the labor force participation rate.
People ask me, do you think a recession is coming?
I think we're in a recession right now.
Play Cut 68.
I am concerned about the decline in the participation rate.
We shouldn't read too much into one month's report, but this is part of the reason we've been seeing pressures on wages.
And so forkers are dropping out.
Again, I think the pressure on wages could continue.
So I think there are some signs there of concern.
Maybe the quiet before the storm.
Economic advisor for Joe Biden was asked about this about, do you think we're heading towards a recession?
Well, we can't rule anything out.
What a ridiculous question.
We're heading into a recession.
We are in a recession right now.
Play Cut 61.
Americans, they don't feel good about it, right?
You're looking at the Easter feeling and they don't feel good about it.
Can you tell the American people that we're not headed for a recession?
I can tell the American people that we are much better positioned when it comes to that recession question than pretty much any other advanced economy I've seen.
But probably more importantly, you can't rule it out is what I'm saying.
Hold on.
You can never rule anything out.
So that's not really a relevant question.
You can never rule anything out.
Okay.
Got it.
And who are they blaming?
Well, thankfully, the American people are blaming Joe Biden.
The economy, inflation, created by our response to COVID.
We did this.
It did not happen to us.
It wasn't an asteroid that came out of nowhere.
It was a self-inflicted economic set of conditions.
The economic misery that you're living through, the declining of your purchasing power, the inflation of your rent, the inflation of your grocery bill, and weakening of your wage power was done by your leaders to ourselves.
It was a self-inflicted set of economic catastrophes.
Play cut 71.
But Americans, a majority of Americans actually think President Biden's policies have hurt the economy.
They don't feel like he is doing enough on inflation.
And of course, all of this is going to be top of mind for voters as we head closer and closer to those November midterm elections.
And 67 on CNN completes the point, 67.
You cover the president.
He's aware of these numbers.
This is a trajectory you do not want.
Disapproval of the president's handling of the economy.
Look at that.
You go back to April 2021 on the left, 66% now in a brand new CNN poll.
I mean, that line is heading in the wrong direction and heading in the wrong direction when we are now inside six months to Election Day.
It gets hard to improve the numbers in time.
So what do you do when you're in a recession?
Just be careful what you spend money on.
But they're going to try.
They're already raising rates because they, so people ask, actually, there's a question here.
Isaac says, what does it mean when they raise rates?
Rates are the price of money.
So they're going to make it more expensive now to be able to get to borrow money.
So when it's more expensive of our money, people will borrow less.
And that will be a tightening of the belt, but I think it's way too little, way too late.
We decided to indulge in these artificially low interest rates, and we got the sugar high of high stocks, high real estate, incredible wealth and income inequality.
And what goes up must come down.
And boy, are we going to start to see it come down.
Now, I think America's resilient.
I do agree with this numbskull, Jared Bernstein.
I think America is better positioned, not because of you, but because of the four years of harvest we got under Donald Trump of the incredible pro-growth policies that got us close to it.
But we're heading towards a very dangerous set of economic conditions.
And I'm not celebrating it.
That's the thing: the left celebrates when Donald Trump was getting close to a recession.
They celebrated when COVID came.
They said it was God's gift to the left.
I think it's a disaster when Americans suffer.
And anyone who disagrees with that, I want the well-being of my country more than the well-being of my political party because I hope my political party hopefully will help the country.
Okay.
Got another question here from Carl in Tennessee.
Garland's Concerns Over Supreme Court Leaks 00:03:02
Charlie, can you explain more about the Supreme Court leak and the unprecedented nature of it?
I can't think of a better person to help unpack that than Ted Cruz, play cut 74.
This leak is the most egregious violation of trust at the Supreme Court in the history of our nation.
It has never happened even once that a draft opinion leaks from the court before it issues in over 200 years of our nation's history.
I fear for the court's ability to continue to function as it was designed to function if justices cannot circulate opinions and have deliberation and have discussions.
The way the Supreme Court works, an initial opinion circulates, but there are hundreds and sometimes thousands of changes as the justices negotiate back and forth, sometimes sentence by sentence, paragraph by paragraph, footnote by footnote.
But don't expect the other Democrat senators to care.
They're too busy like Chuck Schumer screaming at the top of his lungs about how this is the highest of all stakes in an attack on women's health or whatever.
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So crime is increasing all across the country.
And what is the Attorney General of the United States doing?
Well, Oscar from Iowa asked us about Merritt Garland.
And I actually have a way to tie into this.
Play cut 70.
This is what Merrick Garland is concerned about: play cut 70.
I'm pleased to announce that we are launching the Justice Department's first ever Office of Environmental Justice to oversee and help guide the Justice Department's wide-ranging environmental justice efforts.
You cannot make like all parts of government, it will get its own acronym, OEJ.
Oh, now that it has an acronym, you know, I couldn't have figured out that myself, Merrick Garland.
Thought it would have been, I thought it would have been, I don't know, DNA or side.
Come on.
I have to repeat the acronym.
Thank you.
Appreciate that.
Like all parts of government.
I think they're proud of all the acronyms, the alphabet soup.
Cartels Capturing The Mexican Government 00:04:19
When Republicans regain Congress in November, which it looks like they will, they need to impeach Merrick Garland.
Impeach the cabinet.
Merrick Garland needs to be impeached and removed from office for targeting parents for his very corrupt dealings with his son-in-law, potentially being involved in critical race theory curriculum.
Been a while since we've talked about that story.
We're going to have to dust that off soon by how Merrick Garland is the worst attorney general in American history.
That says something.
America said some terrible attorney generals before.
Hi, Charlie.
I see liberals outraged over news that Donald Trump apparently wanted to blow up the drug houses of Mexican cartels when he was in office, but his Secretary of Defense shut down the idea.
Why would anyone be opposed to that?
And why would our military leaders who are responsible for keeping us safe kill an idea that would objectively keep America safer and healthier?
None of it makes sense.
Orinthal from Del Rio.
Okay, so look, in principle, I agree going after the Mexican drug cartels.
The Mexican government wouldn't be totally supportive of that, unfortunately, because a lot of them are captured by the Mexican drug cartels.
But it does beg the question: why are we more interested in fighting the borders 5,000 miles away from us in Ukraine when Mexican drug cartels are a far greater threat to the American way of life for drugs, for guns, for human trafficking?
Why exactly is that?
Well, the Mexican drug cartels control a lot of American politicians.
They control flows of capital into America, and a lot of people benefit from remittances.
Over $40 billion is remitted back from America to Mexico.
Look, if an American president wants to declare a war that I would be in favor of, let's declare war against the cartel.
We'd wipe them out.
Mexican government doesn't want that.
Cartels have killed more Americans, either directly or indirectly over the past 10 years than ISIS, than Russia, than any other place.
Of course, we should treat them like terrorists.
Seize their weapons, seize their money, and a drone or two, I don't think, would hurt if it was within the parameters of informed engagement and if it was done properly and correctly.
But I guarantee you that if the American Marines, the beautiful Marines, were given a green light, 100,000 Marines, they could wipe out those coward cartels and the northern hemisphere would be a safer and better place.
But the Mexican government is complicit with the Mexican drug cartels.
It's been that way for quite a while.
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