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May 3, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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Headed to Hell with the Ministry of Truth — In-Depth with Libby Emmons
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Controlling National Discourse 00:14:23
Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
This is producer Andrew Colvett filling in for the one, the only Charlie Kirk, who is away stumping in Ohio.
But that's all right.
We got it covered.
We got it on lock, folks, right here, talking about none other than the Ministry of Truth.
We have additional details coming in over the weekend from Secretary Mayorkis on Nina Jankowitz on what the actual purpose of the Ministry of Truth, quote unquote, is according to the regime and why that's all a bunch of bunk.
Then we welcome Libby Emmons, editor-in-chief of the post-millennial to the show.
We talk about Tucker Carlson hit piece from the New York Times and why he's smiling about it.
We talk about the ruling out of the state of New York, which is a major setback to the Democrat Party on gerrymandering.
And then we also talk about the Amazon abortion industry.
Why is Amazon awarding compensation to employees that want to get abortions in other states?
We have it all right here on the Charlie Kirk show.
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So I want to get into a really critical story that blew up over the past week.
You guys all know about it.
The Ministry of Truth.
Now, DHS Secretary Mayorkis, that's the Department of Homeland Security, asserts that the disinformation board chaired by Nina Jankowicz, who's straight out of central casting for the progressive left, is going to be completely and absolutely neutral.
From the story, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkis said there is no question he could have more effectively communicated the purpose of his newly created disinformation board.
So he's giving a Maya Culpa there.
After critics framed it as a crackdown on free speech, Mayorkas explained Sunday that the board specifically addresses disinformation that presents a security threat to the homeland.
Now, interesting couching of language again.
This is the game they play.
Look at the language.
So it presents a security threat to the homeland.
So then he says disinformation from Russia, from China, from Iran, from the cartels, he said.
So he also claims that Nina Jankowitz will absolutely be neutral and is a renowned expert in the field of disinformation.
So that's an interesting take from Secretary Mayorkis.
So let's play that clip and you judge for yourself.
Cut three.
Republicans are criticizing your decision, the administration's decision to choose Nina Jankowicz to lead this disinformation board.
They say she is not somebody who is neutral.
Your response?
Eminently qualified, a renowned expert in the field of disinformation.
Absolutely so.
Eminently qualified, an expert in the field.
Of course, of course.
Let's just keep going here then.
So let's play cut four.
Mayorkis says that the group that he has put together is going to safeguard.
You hear that?
They're going to safeguard the right of free speech.
Cut four.
I believe that this working group that gathers together, gathers together best practices, makes sure that our work is coordinated, consistent with those best practices, that we're safeguarding the right of free speech, that we're safeguarding civil liberties, I think is an extraordinarily important endeavor.
Okay, so I want you to break this down, okay?
Very, very important what's happening here.
Safeguarding free speech.
What does that actually mean?
Well, of course, it's a euphemism when used by progressives.
It's a euphemism for censoring speech they don't like.
Because remember, the left believes that speech can be violence.
So if speech is violence, what kind of speech will they censor in order to quote unquote safeguard your civil liberties?
Well, a CNN analyst, David Zurowatwick, whoever he is, sort of gave away the game over the weekend.
And this clip is catching fire all across the internet, especially conservative internet, because he says the quiet part out loud.
Go ahead and play cut two.
No, I think there's a bigger problem that when we focus on the personalities of people like Elon Musk and people say, oh, I think Elon's thinking this or that.
There's a bigger problem here about how we are going to control the channels of communication in this country.
This is dangerous.
We can't think anymore in this country.
We don't have people.
No, I'm serious.
We don't have people in Congress who can make regulations that can make it work.
I think we can look to the Western countries in Europe for how they are trying to limit it.
But you need, you need controls on this.
You need regulation.
You cannot let these guys control discourse in this country or we are headed to hell.
We are there.
Trump opened the gate to hell and now they're chasing us.
What a damning clip.
I don't know if you caught everything that just said that.
We need to control discourse in this country.
That is sheer panic.
He says we don't have people that can think in this country.
So we need to tell them what to think.
They can't think for themselves.
You are not an adult.
You are not mature enough to make decisions.
Only he is.
Only that man that goes on CNN with Brian Stelter is able to possibly think for you.
I'm going to play that clip again because it is so shocking what he says.
But I want you to think about it as you're listening.
This is precisely what the left thinks.
They do not think you are allowed to think.
They do not believe that you have the capacity to reason as an adult, as an informed citizen to make decisions and vote appropriately, to vote according to your values.
Play that cut again and just listen to what the left is actually telling you and who they think needs to be in control.
No, I think there's a bigger problem that when we focus on the personalities of people like Elon Musk and people say, oh, I think Elon's thinking this or that.
There's a bigger problem here about how we are going to control the channels of communication in this country.
This is dangerous.
We can't think anymore in this country.
We don't have people.
No, I'm serious.
We don't have people in Congress who can make regulations that can make it work.
I think we can look to the Western countries in Europe for how they are trying to limit it.
But you need, you need controls on this.
You need regulation.
You cannot let these guys control discourse in this country or we are headed to hell.
We are there.
Trump opened the gates of hell and now they're chasing us.
It's amazing to watch the panic.
This is actually, you should get a little bit of sick joy.
It's not sick.
It's actually a healthy joy.
When you watch the censors, when you watch the control freaks panic, that they are losing controls of the gateways.
They are losing controls of the avenues of information.
Now, when the internet was created, it was this free-for-all.
It was the wild west.
It was open to everybody.
You couldn't control it.
It wasn't even thought that you could control it, as a matter of fact.
Ultimately, power and communication aggregated in certain platforms, as is prone to do with money, with anything.
It's the Matthew principle.
Those who have more, even more will be given to them.
Those who have little, even the little they have, that too will be taken from them.
It's actually just a fact of life.
It's an economic principle.
As these organizations grew, they became magnets for even more people.
People want to be where all the other people are.
This is why Twitter is still the powerhouse that it is, especially with Musk.
You have conservatives flocking back to the platform.
I know Charlie's own Twitter page has been exploding.
So give him a follow, Charlie Kirk11 on Twitter.
And with Musk there, I have no problem saying that.
And also follow him on Getter, True Social.
We got to occupy all roads.
But listen, this, this is another thing I want to highlight of what he said.
We have to look to Europe.
Now, why did he say that?
Recently, Europe passed something called the Digital Services Act.
This is the 27-nation block digital rulebook.
And according to NPR, this is a really funny way to put it, it helps cement Europe's reputation as the global leader in efforts to rein in the power of social media companies and other digital platforms.
This is a quote from the EU Internal Market Commissioner, Terry Brenton.
With the DSA, the time of big online tech platforms behaving like they are too big to care is coming to an end.
EU Commission Vice President Margaret Vestaga added that with today's agreement, we ensure that platforms are held accountable for the risks their services can pose to society and citizens.
So what he's saying is, and this is a big new law passed in Europe, and it has massive implications for the United States.
And let me tell you, the left, the progressive left in this country is clamoring for it, which should tell you, be aware, be suspicious.
Now, I want to slightly couch this in different terms in the sense that EU has actually done some good things on the tech side, believe it or not.
They have really tackled the antitrust issue with Google.
As many of you are probably aware, Google, as the most powerful search engine in the world by a long shot, having over 90% of global searches, they are able to promote companies that they prefer.
They're able to promote their own services and to hide companies that they don't prefer, competitors, that sort of thing.
Google has been fined $8.8 million.
I think it's 8.2 million Euros.
Billion, I think if I said million, I meant billion euros.
They've been fined in the European Union as a result of these antitrust fines, which I think is actually great.
I think Google has far too much power.
We've said it on the show multiple times.
We need to get back into trust busting in this country, especially with something like Google or Alphabet, and even Meta, which has Instagram, Facebook.
These companies were probably better off separated, put apart, pulled apart.
This would be better for the consumer.
Now, some of these regulations in the EU in this act that now you hear people on CNN and people like Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, all saying is a good thing.
Some of that is actually okay, right?
It protects the consumer.
I'm all for that.
I think there should be anonymity for the consumer.
All of this stuff is great.
Now, where it gets confusing and when it gets problematic is that these rules are actually designed to curb what they consider hate speech.
They're using this word toxic in the European Union.
Now, the big tuck companies like Google and Twitter are all saying, we welcome thoughtful regulation moving forward.
And even Elon Musk sort of weighed into this.
On April 26th, he said, the extreme antibody reaction from those who fear free speech says it all.
Now, that became a massive tweet, 1.7 million likes, 84,000 comments, which is massive, 227,000 retweets.
Just a massive tweet.
And it caused a lot of controversy.
So there was the progressives that were chiming in, like, what do you mean by free speech?
You know, everybody gets to be a Nazi now.
He said, by free speech, I simply mean that which matches the law.
I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law.
If people want less free speech, they will ask government to pass laws to that effect.
Therefore, going beyond the law is contrary to the will of the people.
In a shocking twist of events, even The Atlantic agreed with a headline saying, Elon Musk is right that Twitter should follow the First Amendment.
A long history of free speech jurisprudence backs him up.
This is from author Jeffrey Rosen, who's a contributing writer for The Atlantic.
Now, what he's saying is actually very brilliant.
He said that, listen, if you are part of a country that does not value free speech, you will pass laws that reflect those values and Twitter will be forced to comply with that.
In the United States, we have a long history of free speech.
Therefore, it would follow that our platforms would have much greater breadth and freedom to allow speech on our platform.
Since Twitter is an American-made company, it's massive in this country.
It should reflect the values of the American people.
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The point I want to wrap up, and this is very important, is that there is a way that the left uses language, and there is a trap that they are setting for us.
When Maorca says that he rolled out this whole board improperly and that it was his fault and that Nina is very accomplished, eminently accomplished, and that we're really just worried about like China and the cartels and Russia disinformation.
Here's what's also happened: they are saying that misinformation is a major threat to our homeland.
And they've already gone on record saying that before they got their talking points right.
Okay.
So I just let's go ahead and play cut 18.
If we have it loaded up right now, which I think we do, and we'll put a button on that clip.
Another huge threat to our homeland is miss and disinformation.
A newer trend that we saw in the 2020 election and already in the 2022 midterms is that disinformation is being heavily targeted at Spanish-speaking voters, sparking and fueling conspiracy theories.
DHS and its components play a big role in addressing mis and disinformation in Spanish and other languages.
Can you share what steps you've taken and what future plans you have to address Spanish language mis and disinformation through department-wide approach?
Okay, so see what they're doing here, folks.
And I want to remind you of the Hunter Biden laptop.
What did they call that when that first happened?
They called it disinformation, Russian disinformation.
As a matter of fact, all these intel operatives went on record with Politico, over 50 of them.
And then guess what?
Joe Biden echoed that in a presidential debate with President Trump.
They will use misinformation as a threat to the homeland as an excuse to ban speech they don't like.
Or if they say that you're trumpeting Russian talking points, it doesn't matter if it's about the war in Ukraine or if it's about a Hunter Biden laptop, they will use that and weaponize it to censor your speech.
We need to be vigilant.
I am so honored to have one of my favorite people in all of media.
So as we play these clips for you from CNN and they're just horrible and they're calling for censoring, my friend Libby Emmons, editor-in-chief of the post-millennial, is here with us and she doesn't want to censor anybody.
Libby, right?
You're not trying to censor anybody at the post-millennial.
I'm absolutely not trying to censor anyone at all.
I'm thoroughly opposed to censorship.
Good for you.
I kind of put you on the spot there.
I was hoping you were going to say that.
I thought I had a good lead on that.
All right.
So, Libby, there is so much that I want to cover with you.
There's, and we, and hopefully, Lord willing, we're going to get to most of it.
We've got an AOC lying blatantly about Texas abortion laws.
We've got Jim Jordan calling for accountability.
We've got the New York Times attacking Tucker Carlson in a massive piece that he just had this great reaction to.
And I'm going to have the team pull up Tucker's smile when we get to that story.
Listen, the floor is yours.
We've got a plethora of stories.
The menu is before you.
What do you want to cover first?
Why don't we start with AOC?
Let's do it.
So AOC put out this tweet saying that Texas had passed an anti-abortion law that makes it possible for rapists to sue the women they rape if they impregnate those women and the women go on to have abortions.
What a horrifying, horrifying scenario for anyone who is involved in something like that.
Well, you know, except I have no sympathy for the rapist, but I have all the sympathy in the world for a woman, obviously, who is raped and her potential offspring from that kind of violation.
But the problem with what AOC said was that it was a complete and total fabrication.
The pro-life law in Texas does not say anything of the sort.
The law was rather carefully constructed, and you can see that if you take a look at it, it says that anyone who is either facilitating abortions or providing abortions can be sued by another citizen in the state for up to, I think, something like $10,000.
And it specifically says that a woman who is seeking an abortion will not be penalized, will not be subject to a lawsuit, and will not be prosecuted for that.
Yeah.
So this is actually really important on a, on a, especially for young people, by the way.
And why I say that is because I was with Charlie at the University of California, Berkeley.
And he was tabling.
I actually got to cover the show the day after.
He was tabling.
There was hundreds of people milling about, I was having conversations with them, sidebar conversations.
And on at least three occasions with just random Berkeley students, they parroted this same lie.
So wherever it's getting spread before AOC picked it up, it has completely permeated the progressive youth culture, whatever message boards, whatever Instagram accounts, Twitter accounts they're following.
They think this is true.
And I had to tell them, I was like, this is absolutely garbage.
This is not what the law does.
This is not what the law is intended to do.
But this is being spread all around.
And AOC with her massive platform, it's a despicable live, really.
I mean, she should know better.
And frankly, if you're going to censor disinformation, why don't you start with this tweet from AOC, right?
But I think it's being, the tweet's been heavily ratioed, I think.
Well, maybe not ratioed, but there's been a lot of pushback.
A lot of people noticed that she was lying.
Yeah, I mean, exactly.
I don't think Nina Jankowicz took any notice of her lie.
Exactly.
Well, listen, it's been liked 218,000 times.
It's been retweeted 38.8,000 times along with 2,200 quote tweets, which basically is a retweet with a comment.
So, I mean, this is spreading.
Honestly, I hadn't heard about this story until you brought it up with me this morning.
So we're not doing a good enough job countering the disinformation yet from AOC, but this is a despicable lie that, again, means so much to young voters, youth culture.
You're trying to rile them up and get them involved in this election.
The Democrats are terrified they're not going to show up in the polls in November and then in 2024.
And I think it's important to note, too, that this isn't the only Democratic lie that is told about laws being passed in red states.
We had a huge issue regarding the parental rights and education bill in Florida signed by Governor DeSantis, where Democrats picked it up and said it was the don't say gay bill.
There's absolutely no truth to the claim that this bill says that anyone in the state of Florida, no matter what, where they are, cannot say this word.
It's absolutely unfounded.
And it doesn't seem to matter how much we push back against it and point out that it's about that this law is intended to protect students and especially younger grades from activist teachers who would usher students as young as 10 years old, five years old into adult sexual lifestyles, concepts about that and concepts of gender ideology.
That's what the bill is designed to protect.
It's designed to protect children.
It doesn't say anything about you can't say if you're a little kid that you have two dads.
There's nothing about that at all.
As a matter of fact, I'm sure that the governor would say, I hope you have a loving family.
You know, that's really all that matters.
Of course.
And this is what they're doing.
They know they're losing on every single front imaginable right now.
They need to rile up the base.
And I've said it time and again, I'll say it here.
The left is a means justifies the ends party.
They don't care if they have to lie, cheat, or steal to get their point across.
This is another example of them doing that.
And by the way, I mean, I just think it's, I live in the state of California.
Yes, I'm still in communist California.
Actually, Libby is in New York City.
So, what are you going to do?
We're reporting from the coasts, speaking to the heartland.
So, listen to this.
This is a new story.
I didn't prep you on this, Libby.
So, I'm sorry to put you on the spot, but this is just breaking.
Amazon to reimburse U.S. employees who travel for treatments, including abortions, up to $4,000 reimbursement, travel reimbursement from Amazon.
Okay.
So, in California, we've got SB 2223, which is basically the infanticide bill.
It's an evil bill, which would, in theory, allow for infanticide up to a week after, some are saying even longer.
And you cannot criminalize that.
You can't, the law enforcement agencies can't get that.
So, California is attempting to become a travel destination for abortionists.
Then you have Amazon fund this.
What's your reaction?
I think it's horrifying.
Citibank, I believe, has done the exact same thing, said that if you're seeking abortions, they will fund you to go out of state, wherever that is, and go get your abortion.
We saw also Oklahoma was criminalizing.
I don't think they were criminalizing women, but they were saying no more abortions in the state of Oklahoma as well.
While Colorado is a sanctuary state, Connecticut is a sanctuary state, California is a sanctuary state.
I think that Amazon and Citibank are trying to keep their workers where they are.
They need warehouses in all of these places and they need workers, but to fund abortions in order to directly bypass the law of the state in which you are located, I think is a problem.
And we're seeing an awful lot of corporate activism bolstered by companies like Disney, who are corporate activists in the state of Florida, who are denouncing the laws of the state there.
And I think that it's really a shame.
And for too long, the GOP has been very pro-corporate America.
And now corporate America is entirely turning their backs on the party that gives them so much free reign in almost a libertarian sense to do their business.
Right.
And in retrospect, you look back to 2017, we passed that tax bill with, you know, we had control of both houses.
Trump was president.
And what did we do?
We gave a corporate handout to business.
And how do they repay Republicans by stuffing the culture war down their throat and basically defying the people that gave them the tax cut in the first place?
Yeah.
There's two.
And it's across all kinds of industries.
It's in, we saw it with the Sandia Labs that they are doing this.
We saw this all across industries that were forcing critical race theory down the throats of the executives and the staff.
And now we're seeing them just come straight after the laws of the states where they're where they're located.
The constituents get to decide how they want to be governed.
That's democracy.
That's the rule.
That's what we get.
So if the constituents in Texas want to be governed in this way, that is their right.
That is their call.
They get to make that decision.
Yeah, you're 100% right.
And, you know, you've got idiots like Asa Hutchinson saying that the reaction from the state of Florida against Disney is wrong, that it's attacking a corporation that doesn't see eye to eye with the legislature.
Asa Hutchinson should just take this one off.
He's been wrong on the trans issue.
He's been wrong on multiple other issues.
He is the definition of a corporate crony conservative in air quotes that is very willing to sell out the will of his people to the corporation, the highest bidder in his state.
There's also, by the way, this is what bothers me as well.
You've got representatives in the state of Texas trying to lure Twitter away from California.
And I'm thinking, you know, these people don't work from the office anyway, so maybe it's not a big deal, but it is a disaster waiting to happen in the state of Texas.
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You are a resident of the state of New York.
We've covered this.
There's some breaking news that is very, very interesting about gerrymandering.
Fill us in.
So essentially, a court ruled that Democrats had been extremely partisan in drawing up the lines for the state Senate and congressional maps as well.
And you had my personal representative, well, personal representative, the representative of my district, Nicole Mali-Takis, who is a conservative from New York.
Shocking.
She exists.
And she was saying that this is an effort.
It had been an effort by Democrats to silence the voices of those conservative New Yorkers who are so often divided up into little tiny pieces and shoved into Nadler's district.
So it's pretty fascinating.
And it likely will delay the primaries to perhaps August.
That's incredible.
For the midterms.
Yeah.
So amazing.
So we've covered extensively the maps in Florida.
So it was 1611.
Basically, DeSantis in one fell swoop wiped out the gains that Democrats had made nationwide in states like California, Illinois, New York.
So he went from 1611 to I think 28.
I think it was 28.
It was a massive, massive change based on his maps.
What do we know about the maps in New York?
What districts, what are we at on a count?
What districts favor which party?
Well, we would have seen Democrats having an advantage in 22 out of 26 of the congressional seats that would remain after the 2020 census.
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And now I think we're going to see a change in that.
Democrats have been fighting across every single area to try and win votes and to try.
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What was the worst thing?
They would have had 22 out of 26 congressional seats.
So four Republican-leaning districts.
Yeah, four Republican-leaning districts.
And I just don't think that that's accurate.
We have a lot of blue districts.
That's definitely true.
We have, you know, a bunch of Brooklyn.
We have a bunch of Manhattan.
We have a bunch of the Bronx where AOC is from.
We know.
And we have a bunch of Woodstock and all of this stuff.
There are a lot of places where I travel throughout the state where primarily you have conservatives.
People upstate in Oswego, there's a lot of conservatives up there.
In the outskirts around Buffalo and Rochester, you're going to see conservatives.
And I think that Democrats really are picking every conceivable way to try and maintain their stranglehold on this state, and they don't deserve it.
Of course.
They've done so poorly here.
They destroy us.
Of course.
Of course.
I mean, upstate New York.
I've been to a couple of country concerts many, many moons ago.
So, you know, in upstate New York, and I felt like I was in Texas.
I'm not kidding.
The people were so down home.
So upstate New York is a completely different beast than the city, and it should be reflected.
Absolutely.
All right.
I want to hit one last story.
Like the one minute we've got left.
Tucker Carlson got attacked by the New York Times.
What do we need to know?
What was his reaction?
Tucker Carlson apparently is racist, according to the New York Times.
And that's why he's so popular, despite there being remarkably little racism in this country.
Tucker Carlson got up there with a big smile and had a big laugh over it.
I have a lot of respect for that.
The New York Times just going after their opponents, you know, baselessly has become their new MO.
I mean, I believe that we have this for the live stream.
If we don't, I mean, it's, let me see if we can get up.
There it is.
It's on like, look at that smile holding up the A1 top of the fold from the New York Times.
Shocking part two.
Why is this on the why is this front page news?
We have so much going on in the world.
You know, we have war in Ukraine.
We have all of this stuff.
But apparently, cable news host is racist.
You're right.
And I mean, if you listen to the media, though, this is what they think.
They think that they're losing control of the narrative.
They're losing control of the levers of discourse and information flow.
And so he represents an existential threat.
Libby Emmons from the post-millennial.
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