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March 29, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Missing Piece in the "Criminal Conspiracy" to Undermine the 2020 Election with Dinesh D'Souza
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Election Integrity and 2,000 Mules 00:01:52
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Hey, everybody.
Welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
With us right now is a great American patriot who has done so much in just the last decade for the cause for liberty, Dinesh D'Souza.
Dinesh, great to see you.
Charlie, it's a real pleasure.
Thanks for having me.
Of course, we're here at a Turning Point Action dinner about to talk about your upcoming movie.
We also both have podcasts with Salem.
First, Yours is the Dinesh D'Souza podcast, right?
Comes out every day.
Is that right?
Exactly.
I do it audio and video, and I've been doing it now a little over a year.
And so I'm a relatively new podcaster, but really enjoying it.
Awesome.
Haunting Claims About Obama 00:02:47
Tell us about the movie.
We've talked about it a fair amount on this program, but no better person to talk about it than you.
Well, I think it's my most important project of all the movies I've done.
So this is number six of the documentaries.
And I'm sensing, you know, around it, the same kind of electricity I felt around the first movie, which was my Obama film called 20.
Really broke the zeitgeist.
Yeah, it's the second most successful political documentary of all time after behind Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9-11.
But I think, you know, this movie, like that film, pulls the curtain back.
In the first film, there was a puzzlement around Obama.
Obama was doing all this stuff that seemed to undermine America.
And it just seemed, is this man so clueless that he keeps giving away American interests?
And so there wasn't a good framework to understand Obama.
So I, you know, I got on the plane.
I went to Hawaii.
I went to Indonesia.
I went to Kenya, sort of discover the real Obama.
And here, this is a movie that's not, it's called 2,000 Mules.
It's not about a person, but it's about a burning issue that is surrounded with a veil of censorship.
It's about an issue that's on, it's almost like it's haunting the American mind.
And I don't think we can really go forward as a country without learning perhaps not all the truth, but at least some of the truth.
And by truth here, I mean documentable, provable facts about the 2020 election.
So I'm in the film, and thanks to kind of the Salem partnership, we spent a whole day together.
And I'll be honest, Dinesh, I went really out of trust of you because I knew if you were behind it, it was going to be legit.
But I still, I had an ounce of skepticism.
Like, come on, I've seen all the theories.
You know, I believe that this election was tampered with, interfered with, stolen, whatever you want to say.
But we always struggled to find like the concrete evidence to put all these things together.
And I was blown away.
And we had this session both on camera and off camera where we had some really intense moments of asking questions like a jury would almost.
And I came away completely convinced that what you have is the missing piece to prove the criminal conspiracy that ended up unfolding that determined the 2020 election.
This is a key point, Charlie, because there has been, as you know, a lot of claims going all the way back to Election Day.
And the claims have, in some cases, been difficult to adjudicate because it's like, how am I going to evaluate whether the Chinese are hacking our election?
It's difficult to know.
You know, just because I see dots on a screen, that I don't see Chinese guys doing it, you know?
Cell Phone Data Points Revealed 00:15:44
And so there has been efforts.
And then there's also been some very interesting, even video evidence of fraud.
Project Veritas had this Somali guy basically, you know, trafficking for votes on the street.
And then the truck driver in Pennsylvania, the ballots in that arena in Atlanta.
There was a lot of one-off stuff.
Right.
And I think the...
And none of that's not necessarily wrong.
It's just interesting.
Yeah.
And I call it episodic fraud.
And by episodic, I mean it's interesting in itself, but it doesn't show a pattern.
And it certainly isn't enough to overturn an outcome.
So what you need, and the burden of proof is on us, those who are making the allegation of fraud, to really have some evidence.
And I think what's happened weirdly is because the left has been so emphatic.
This is the most secure election history.
And there's so much censorship around it.
And there have been some misfires in an attempt to prove this.
It's actually made our job more difficult because it's now people, even on our side, even Republicans approach this with a measure of skepticism, like, yeah, really, what do you got?
And we welcome that.
We accept the burden of proof.
We accept the uphill climb.
One second.
Go ahead.
We accept the uphill climb.
We accept the uphill climb.
And I think we've got the goods.
So you got to be a little bit careful what you talk about here in this conversation, just because we want people to actually go see the movie and they can see it, 2000 Mules, and it's coming out when?
So the movie will come out the end of the first week of May.
We're releasing it in sort of multiple ways.
And remember, this is the case where we have to make sure that we can't have the rug pulled out from under us.
So we're going to do a bunch of theater buyouts.
That's going to be somewhat limited, partly because Regal Cinemas, which is normally one of our partners, is doing a different kind of business model.
They're not doing the theater buyouts anymore.
But anyway, we'll have a bunch of buyouts with AMC, with Cinemark, perhaps with a couple of other theater chains.
So in about 300 theaters around the country, you'll be able to actually go in the theater and watch the film.
And there's some people who just love to do it that way.
They're like theater guys and they want to see it on the big screen.
And they'll be able to do that, at least in some parts of the country.
We're going to do a virtual premiere, which actually allows people to sort of, it's not on Zoom, but you can sort of zoom in, so to speak, be part of the premiere, watch the film.
A bunch of us, you included, will want to talk about the film after so people can be part of that and we'll let them know how to do that.
So all of this will be on the website.
It's not all up yet, but it's 2000muls.com.
And then, of course, it'll be available digitally.
It'll be available through Rumble Locals.
That's one way.
And of course, that's an uncancelable platform.
And we'll also have it on the Salem platform that's called SalemNow, SalemNow.com.
And so those will be two platforms in which you basically just go on the platform, you know, pay 20 bucks or whatever, buy your ticket and watch the movie.
So let's talk about at least the trailer I think we can unpack.
Is that fair?
For sure.
And I want to be careful because I want to make sure the real stuff comes out at the proper unveiling.
But in the trailer, it shows a video of people putting ballots in to a ballot box.
It shows, it alludes to cell phone data points.
What can you tell us about all this?
What is new for the average listener right now?
They're like, come on.
Now, a year and a half later, you're trying to say you found something that someone hadn't found before?
Well, let's talk first a little bit about the phenomenon called geotracking, because the geotracking is actually, believe it or not, better than the video in the same way that if you're prosecuting a murder trial, fingerprint or DNA evidence is better than eyewitness evidence.
Eyewitness evidence can be pretty good, but you can also have eyewitness evidence where people can argue about it.
Or fabricate it.
Or in some cases, fabricate it.
Now, in our case, there's no such fabrication with the video for the simple reason that the video that we're showing in the movie and in the trailer is the official video from the states.
So they have it.
They have the identical same video.
And so this is not a question where we got the video surreptitiously, someone came and dropped it off at night.
None of that.
This is official video obtained through the proper channels, through open records, by True the Vote, the research organization that dug up this data.
And so the video evidence is very reliable, very good.
But the geotracking evidence really tells the bigger story.
And I say that because the video is not available in all the states.
A lot of states just ignored election rules and didn't have surveillance cameras, even though they said they would.
And they were supposed to have video cameras.
They didn't do it.
They just bleeded COVID.
They didn't get around to it.
And so as a result, there's only some places where you see the bad guys breaking into Fort Knox.
But the geotracking evidence, I think, is going to be extremely eye-opening.
And it's fun for people to learn about because it's actually part of their everyday lives, whether they know it or not.
How much more can you elaborate on that as far as like what you were able to get your hands on?
So let's start just by talking a little bit about geotracking because if people don't know what that is.
Go through the technical side of it.
Right.
So the technical side of it, just in very layman's terms, is this, that our phones, our cell phones, on or off, have inside of them hundreds, if not thousands of apps.
Now, in the old days, your cell phone would ping off of a tower.
And basically, if law enforcement or somebody wanted to get data on your cell phone, they had to go sort of check the pings on the tower.
We're not talking about that.
We're talking about your apps delivering information about you and most specifically about your location, your location in space and in time.
So it's not just placing Charlie Kirk right here at this moment.
It's placing Charlie Kirk here.
But then it's placing Charlie Kirk somewhere else in your room 30 minutes ago and driving over here an hour ago.
And that's called a pattern of life.
Within three meters, six meters, a hundred meters?
How specific is this?
It's almost exact.
In other words, the geotracking is putting you at the scene.
Is it like a digital fingerprint?
It's like GPS.
Now, GPS these days is accurate within three or four feet.
So GPS used to be kind of random.
Remember how it would, you know, GPS was not good in telling you when you can make a U-turn.
It couldn't exactly tell where you are.
It was an approximation.
Right.
It's gotten so precise now that you can place somebody at a particular scene, meaning within a few feet.
And the more important thing is that as you follow what's called a pattern of life, so what you want to do, if you're looking at a million people, you obviously can't follow all of them.
You need some search criteria to say, okay, I'm not trying to find everybody in the hotel.
I'm trying to track all the people who went to Charlie's conference.
And obviously we know that those people were in a particular conference venue at a given time.
So right there, we're down to 200, 300, 400 phones.
And this is the key point: you're following a phone.
Now, obviously, I could give my phone to my wife Debbie, and it could be her instead of me, but it's my phone.
Each of our cell phones has a distinct, what's called a phone ID, and the ID identifies that as being this particular phone.
So that's where the fingerprint aspect of it comes in.
And so what happens is people who are used to doing what's called election intelligence is they buy geo-tracking data.
Now, you can't just buy it by going to Walmart, but you can buy it on the open market from aggregators who sell this data.
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Can I pause you really quick and just to clarify this?
So you're saying that there's a market out there where people are buying and selling what your cell phone is pinging off.
This is the key point.
A lot of times when you go on an app, you notice that all these apps are free and you think, well, how do they make money?
Well, they make money by selling your data.
And who do they sell it to?
Well, they sell it to every Tom, Dick, and Harry, right?
When you go into CVS, you'll notice that you get a notification on your phone saying they're having a special.
Or you're approaching the Apple store, same thing.
Or the weather channel is telling you, hey, a storm is going to come into your air.
Well, how do they know where you are?
You could be traveling, but they still know.
And that's because of the geotracking data.
So yes, the answer is this is something that's very valuable for the deep state.
Geo-tracking was used, for example, to track down Bin Laden, not because of his phone, but other people who were in the building.
And you can see that there's a little bit of this in Zero Dark 30, the movie.
Geo-Tracking was used to track some January 6th protesters, identify their phones.
In fact, they went to Google and they asked Google to provide phone data on January 6th.
Law enforcement uses this every day because geo-tracking is extremely valuable.
If you have a murder in a park and you identify three cell phones that were in the vicinity of the murder, all you have to do, and law enforcement can do this, they usually go get a warrant.
They can, in a sense, unmask those phones and the phones will tell you this phone belongs to John Smith.
And then that becomes an immediate spurt of investigation.
So it's used commercially, it's used in law enforcement.
It is actually part of the fabric of our lives.
They can even get information off your phone if your phone is turned off.
That's the remarkable thing.
How does that work?
I'm not sure technologically how it works, but the truth of it is your apps are still delivering information, even if the phone itself is turned off.
So it turns out that there are all kinds of ways to collect this data.
Now, these aggregators, and there are five or six of them that are like the big boys in this department, they sell this data.
And so what this group, through the vote, was able to do is, and they were smart about it.
They got a $2 million grant.
And so they said, let's buy data in the five key states where the election was decided.
And they couldn't even afford to buy the full state.
So they said, let's just buy data in the big city areas of sort of Democratic dominance.
And so they chose Fulton County, not just Fulton County, it was the greater Atlanta area, which hits three or four counties, Gwinnett County as well.
And then they chose Arizona, Maricopa, a little bit in Yuma as well for complicated reasons.
And then Detroit and Milwaukee and Philadelphia, greater Philadelphia area.
And they bought essentially what's called a geofence.
You just put a big circle and say, I want all the phones in this area.
And once you get them, and obviously you're going to get a large number of phones.
I mean, they got 10 trillion pings.
Wait, hold on.
10 trillion?
10 trillion pillions.
Over what period of time?
The period of time was from October 1 to election day.
And then they also bought data in Georgia for the runoffs.
So just to give you an idea of how much a trillion is, right?
A trillion, if my math is right, is that a million billions or 1 billion billions?
That's 1 million trillion.
So 1 million millions is a billion.
Yes.
And 1 million billions is a trillion.
1 trillion.
And we're talking 10 of those.
10 of those.
And then, so just to be able to have that much data on a computer, you need like a supercomputer to go through that.
I mean, absolutely.
And these guys were working out of a university-connected supercomputer center to process this data.
Wow.
And what you do is you can't obviously try to follow 10 trillion pings.
So what you do is you have to set a search criteria.
You say, this is what I'm looking for.
And what True the Vote did, which was, I think, extremely smart, is they said, look, let's try to find the worst offenders, right?
If some guy went to, let's just say, to a mail-in Dropbox three times, it could be that in one case he went to vote.
In the second case, he happened to be tying his shoe right in front of the mailbox.
And in the third case, he accidentally went to a mailbox thinking it was a U.S. post mailbox and then realized it's a borrowed market.
Or maybe he worked there.
I guess the election worker argument they're going to try to use too, like he was picking up maybe.
I just read an article about Wisconsin and they were spouting off all this kind of nonsense.
So basically what True the Vote said is, look, let's make it simple.
If there's trafficking, we're talking now about ballot trafficking.
We can talk about what that is.
You basically are going to have these mules.
A mule is a paid political operative collecting votes, satchels of votes from some vote stash house.
There's going to be a place where they get the votes.
They're not going to, these are not votes that these mules come up with themselves.
They're given the vote.
So they need to go to some left-wing activist center, get their stash of votes.
And then they're instructed to go to a lot of Dropboxes for the simple reason that if you go to one and put in 100 votes, it's going to look really fishy.
So it's five votes.
Yeah, five votes there.
And so they have a route, kind of like a postal guy.
And so what you do is you set a criteria.
I want a guy who's going to go to a minimum in this period of four activist centers, four voter stash houses or five, five, I believe was the number they used, and a minimum of 10 Dropboxes.
So you're catching the sort of chronic or worst offenders.
You're going to miss a lot of them.
Because if some guy goes to three stash houses and goes to four Dropboxes.
Maybe he only worked one night.
Maybe he only worked one night.
Or even if he took all his votes and went to the U.S. post office and dropped them off there, you don't count him.
So this is a very, this is a search that's only going to catch a percentage and a small percentage of the worst offenders.
Of the overall offenders.
Right.
So what did they find?
So What they found was that, first of all, there were very similar mule operations occurring in all the five states.
So, in other words, this is what's significant about this is this is planned.
We can come later to like, how do we know and who planned it and so on.
But what I'm getting at here is it's sort of like if five different banks are robbed in a similar form at the same time, it could be that five different criminals just decided, let's do it this way, but it's more likely that there's some coordination among some John Corleone, someone is basically telling his guys to hit these men's in these different areas for some reason.
Coordinated Fraud in Swing States 00:13:26
So, what I'm getting at is there is coordinated fraud going on here, and its extent varies.
But we have all the numbers in the movie and in a book I'm writing that goes with it.
But by and large, we're talking about a lot of mules.
We're talking over 200 in Georgia.
We're talking about over 200 in Arizona, 100 or so in Michigan, over 1,000 in Pennsylvania.
The reason we call the movie 2,000 mules is that that's like a lowball count of the mules.
And so, as just a tangent, and I want to get back to this, this was largely made possible, though, because of COVID and ballots going everywhere and Zuckerberg also standing up drop boxes.
Is that correct?
Absolutely correct.
Zuckerberg did two things, and one of them is he paid for a lot of these privately funded drop boxes.
But the other thing he paid for, which is very important in this whole picture, is he paid for what I would call election office infiltration.
And what I mean by that is he offered, he said, I will pay for left-wing nonprofit groups to move into the election offices themselves and help to administer the election.
I mean, think about this.
You're talking about, this is kind of like saying that while the Dallas Cowboys are playing against another team, Jerry Jones is the referee.
Right.
Jerry Jones infiltrates the office of the referees and helps conduct the game itself and call the place and count the score and make close.
Throw flags whenever they want.
That's right.
So this happened.
And in fact, I've been trying to find out because I thought this has to be illegal.
But it's not illegal because no one thought anyone would do this.
No one ever dreamed that anyone would have the chutzpah.
And of course, Zuckerberg did it with straight out money, right?
$420 million is a lot of cash.
And what he did was he funneled it through a bunch of nonprofits.
The Center for Technology and Civic Life.
That was one of them.
There was another one.
They're two key ones.
And the money, and he wasn't the only one paying for this, by the way.
So we'll document a lot of the money flow and all this and maybe too much to get into today.
But the bottom line is we have to show, whenever you show a heist, you've got to show who paid for it, where'd the money come from?
And a lot of money is involved here.
So I think we're able to put our fingers on that as well.
And so that really was, at the time, we were trying to warn against it.
I remember being in the Oval Office with President Trump.
He agreed with me.
A lot of his staff thought we were nuts to try to say that mail-in balloting was going to be an issue.
That was July of 2020 in the midst of all this.
But that really was the necessary prerequisite for the mule operation.
Is that correct?
100%.
Think of it this way: you know, if you're going to cheat, and this I think is why True the Vote is so good in this area, because they realized that the cheating is going to occur where the rules have changed.
It's like if a bank says, you know what, we're going to start, instead of using four security guards, we'll use one.
And instead of having our cameras on 24 hours a day, we'll turn them off at night.
And instead of having the tellers do rigorous signature matching, we'll just kind of make sure it's roughly give the benefit of the doubt to the guy signing the check, right?
So you're enabling the heist.
That's how I'd put it.
And that's what occurred prior to the election.
Without it, the heist could not have taken place.
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And so I'm not going to ask you to speculate on this, but I'll contribute.
And you can, I believe it was coordinated.
I believe there were go-betweens between trying to get Zuckerberg to put the money in, relaxing the laws, and then having the mules on the ground.
I don't know who that is.
It might be Mark Elias.
It might be any one of these people, but it seems far too coordinated to be able to have all these different pieces.
You can comment if you want on that.
I'd like to comment in this way that, you know, as I mentioned a moment ago, if five banks are robbed at the same time, most people think there are two ways that could have happened.
The first is accidental, five coincidental robberies.
The other is, let's call it a conspiracy theory.
There's a single conspiracy that organizes the whole thing.
But very often people forget about the third possibility, which I think is actually the closest to what we're talking about.
It's not an accidental theory or a coincidental theory, and neither is it a pure conspiracy theory.
I'm going to call it a coordination theory.
So a coordination theory would be, for example, where you and I, Charlie, do things that complement each other.
We aren't talking on the phone and planning them, but we are on the same side politically.
And so we're acting in concert, kind of the way that birds flying to Florida fly and go in a certain formation.
They're not following an actual script.
Each bird may simply be watching the bird to its left or to its right and hanging with that bird.
And the result is a coordinated or think about the way the media suppressed the Hunter Biden story.
As you know, you can't have, I mean, it wasn't that ABC, NBC, the New York Times all got in a morning phone call and said, hey, listen, guys, here we are on Zoom.
Let's none of us touch the Hunter Biden story.
But they're all on the same side and they all knew what they all knew what they needed to do.
They all knew this is extremely damaging.
They all knew our job is, in a sense, unofficially to pull Joe Biden across the finish line.
This is not good for us.
Let's just kind of pretend it doesn't exist.
And they all had the same response.
So they were acting in a coordinated way because they also knew that if a bunch of them blew it and put the story out, it would sort of undermine the whole thing.
So they were able to act in concert without explicit conspiracy.
And I think that's what's going on here.
They realize we need valent balloting.
Mark Elias needed, listen, we don't need, we want to fight rigorous signature matching.
And so he did.
We want to fight voter ID.
So they were fighting all this stuff.
And this is where the Republicans, I think, were caught not napping because, as you know, Trump predicted it.
Others predicted it.
He tried to warn against it many times and wasn't taken seriously.
But you need an army of election lawyers seasoned in election law to fight this stuff from the beginning.
So then I think that that's a really smart point.
And whether or not there was a national conspiracy or not is actually not the most important point.
Correct.
The more important point is it happened.
Yes.
And we may one day find out there was a thread that will then unravel this or not because the facts remain the same whether or not there's a bond villain that put it all together, right?
Correct.
So the money's out of the bank.
We'll get to the second part of it, right?
And so let me ask you this, Dinesh.
So then you got to the footage part of your documentary, right?
So you have the geo-tracking, right?
You have all of this.
And just so everyone understands, when you watch the movie, you'll see from yourself what I saw.
You'll see pings that go from one ballot dropbox to the other all throughout an evening and also going to other Democrat activist headquarters that you'll recognize.
But then the video came across, Dinesh, which only furthered your argument.
The video seals the deal.
And see, the interesting thing is the truth of vote has 4 million minutes of video.
And that's only from two states.
They're trying to get the two states are Georgia and they got some video from Michigan.
They have some video from Arizona as well.
But in many of these places, they were blocked from getting the video.
It took them a long time to get it.
If you ask, why is this taking so long?
And some people are even impatient with me.
They're like, Dinesh, put it out like yesterday, you know?
But the truth of it is that there's a lot of bureaucratic resistance, even from Republicans.
Of course there is, yeah.
Because a lot of those guys went out publicly early on and said, oh, no, this election was kosher and all.
So it's going to be extremely embarrassing for them if the opposite came out.
And if it came out that they were sitting on video that they had themselves that showed the exact opposite.
So this is a case where institutional forces, even in the GOP, are uncomfortable about what we're doing.
But so be it.
The video is very instructive.
It's eye-opening.
But it has to be analyzed carefully because you might see a video.
And a lot of the video, as you know, this is not, by the way, my film guys taking this video.
This is some poorly positioned camera often recording in grainy footage.
But grainy doesn't mean you can't see what's going on.
And in many cases, you can actually recognize faces and there's plenty of room for law enforcement to actually follow up on these things because there's the guy in the video.
And the other thing is not only is there the guy, we have his cell phone ID because the beauty of doing geo tracking simultaneous with video is the one confirms the other.
You find a guy going to five Dropboxes.
Now you may not have video on all five.
You may have video on box two and box three.
You look for it at the exact same time.
Whoa, there he is.
That's the guy.
So can we talk about any of the videos we see in the trailer?
We can talk about them a little bit.
Sure.
Okay.
So tell me what you're comfortable discussing in this video.
Well, the first video you see in the trailer is a guy that is just trying to shove multiple ballots into...
And see, normally it'd be hard to see him because he would have the ballots pressed closely together and you'd have to literally zoom in at a high magnification.
But fortunately, I would say from a video point of view and from a movie point of view, the guy like drops the ballots, right?
They go fluttering down to the ground.
And so then he snook, he picks them up.
And this is in Georgia?
This is in Georgia.
So in Georgia, it's illegal to ballot harvest.
Yeah.
Now, ballot harvesting, ballot harvesting, as you know, states make these laws and laws vary a little bit from state to state.
But what we're talking about, which is to pay mules to traffic votes, is illegal in all 50 states of the union.
Yes.
And it's very illegal to organize it and to all that.
So that video is extraordinary, and you'll see a lot more of it in the movie.
So, I guess, Dinesh, a lot of our listeners are at this point of this are going to see the movie.
They're going to hopefully bring skeptics to the movie.
Do you think it's persuasive for a skeptic that thinks that there was no voter fraud?
Without a doubt.
I mean, this is the when I was first approached by True the Vote about this, I was skeptical as you were about this issue.
And I was because I was let down in every turn.
That's it, right?
We've been frustrated.
We also realize that the topic is radioactive.
We're in some ways taking some risk in our careers.
Especially post-January 6th, everyone gets so touchy on this subject, right?
I mean, one of the first questions that Salem asked me when I told him about this, they were like, Are you going to be subpoenaed by the January 6th Commission?
You know, because the Commission itself has become a vehicle of intimidation.
With Soviet style, yes.
Yeah, it's sort of like any discussion of the topic is a big lie that is a prelude to an insurrection.
So it's a very dangerous act to put it out there.
But look, it's going to be out there, and the left is going to have to deal with it in some way or the other.
Either ignore it, dismiss it, try to minimize it, try to explain it.
Or smear the communicator.
Smear the communicator.
I think they will do all of the above.
But, you know, it reminds me a little bit of the Kyle Rittenhouse case because there's a limit to what you can do when you have video.
That's so true.
In the Rittenhouse case, I remember watching a detective and he was testifying, oh no, these Antifa guys weren't chasing after Rittenhouse.
They were merely running in the same direction.
And I'm like, really?
But then you play the video, and the jury was like, nah, they're chasing Rittenhouse.
So the video settles the matter.
And that's why I loved it as a movie guy, because much as I'm fascinated by geo-tracking, to explain something that is technological.
And I think this is a little bit, by the way, the problem Mike Lindell had, which is that he was talking, he was trying to talk about cyber warfare.
And the ordinary, you and I aren't experts in cyber warfare.
You know, you need a panel of cyber experts to adjudicate this, but not in our case.
In our case, you can see for yourself.
You can make your own decision.
And also, our presentation of the evidence is going to be measured, matter-of-fact, and cautious.
Video Evidence Settles the Matter 00:02:26
So this is no one's going to be shouting.
It's not over the top.
It's this is what we have.
This is what we don't have.
There's some things we don't know.
You and I have talked about this.
One thing we don't know is, and in fact, someone in our discussion, and we have this in the movie, people will love this, is he goes, why can't we just go back and pull out all the bad ballots and catch the sounds like Eric Matas?
No, this was actually Dennis Bray.
Oh, is that right?
Yeah, he's like, let's catch the malefactors.
Their names are on the ballot.
And, you know, then Catherine had to say, no, Dennis, you know, once the ballot is taken out of the envelope, now the mail and envelope is signed.
But once the ballot is detached from the envelope, it's just a blank sheet.
It doesn't have a name or an address on it.
So in that sense, there is no way to go back and put the envelope back with the ballot.
That being said, we don't need to do that.
We've got the bad guys a different way.
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Yes, so I guess that's the question a lot of our listeners are probably at in this moment of the podcast, which is what now, Dinesh?
Am I just going to have to get another ringam or roll?
What is the action step for the society?
Um, if they're convinced on what we've said and they obviously trust us, see the movie for yourself, see the evidence.
But is this like, is nothing going to happen now?
Well, there are three things here, and there's sort of one piece of bad news and two pieces of good news, you know.
Unimaginable Premise for Society 00:07:59
And the bad news is that the legal window to do something, because I mean, there is a constituency that is like, okay, if we have the proof, let's go drag Biden right out of the White House.
And look, those people aren't crazy.
And I say that because, look, Lance Armstrong cheated in the Tour de France.
Take away his medals.
Houston Astros, they took away the 2000 17 or 18 World Series.
Right.
Why should, if there is proven fraud, why should you be allowed to keep the fruits of your victory?
Well, the answer to that legally is that there is a window in which the fraud needs to be legally demonstrated, kind of like a statute of limitations.
And so what we have here is a crime.
Let's say it's like a rapist and the statute of limitations has passed.
So you can't lock the guy up.
But if there's DNA evidence, it's going to be really important.
At least you know he did it.
It would be like finding, you know, a fingerprint of finding a video of OJ leaving the scene of the crime.
You know, it's one thing to suspect, but there he is.
That's OJ.
Okay, we now know.
At least we know.
And that's very important.
That's a huge vindication for many people on our side who have suspected it.
Even the January 6th guy suspected it.
And that's why they went to DC, by the way.
So I think that it's going to be that feeling of, I'm not crazy, a feeling of relief.
Number two.
Then anger will come.
Anger will come.
But I think number three, we want to constructively direct that anger to, number one, yes, at the ballot box, you should punish the bad guys.
I mean, if we can wake up America and say, listen, you know, never before in American history has there been a heist of this magnitude, not to my knowledge.
Even in the Nixon-Kenned race.
They stole the civilization.
This is an unimaginable thing that we're dealing with.
And this is really by the left knows this, by the way.
This is why they're shutting down discussion of it.
They know it's dangerous for them to even permit talk about it.
Kind of like in the old Soviet Union.
It's like you can't talk about all these things, but especially not this.
The other thing is it provides a rational foundation for voter integrity laws.
As of now, what the left says is basically there's no voter fraud.
So why are you Republicans passing all these laws if not to suppress the vote?
Since there's no basis for what you're doing, there's no need for it.
There hasn't been any heist.
You're just trying to deter people, blacks and Hispanics, from even going to the bank.
And crazy though that sounds to us, if their premise is true, the conclusion does have more plausibility.
But by blowing the premise out of the water, we're able to say, you know what?
There is a pressing need to do certain key things.
And we outline what those are at the end of the movie.
I think this is really important to be able to say, this is what Republican legislatures can do.
This is what attorney generals can do.
This is what.
I'm so glad that's in the movie, Dinesh.
It's in there.
Because the millions of people that will see this movie, they're going to want action items.
Right.
And we will also then have references at the end, which will tell people where they can go to get more information, get more involved.
So we're going to close the circle here.
And I think in that sense, the movie is more than just a.
Yeah, I mean, look, I'm of the place where it's like, we need to start indicting people now.
Like, indict the bagman.
We know these people that were illegally ballot harvesting in Georgia.
You're dropping the ballots.
Go arrest that person.
Figure out if there was anyone paying them, if there was anyone behind them.
You know, these are reasonable questions to ask.
Without a doubt.
One of the things that I found a little odd in the now, Raffensperger in Georgia has opened up an investigation based upon Truth of Vote's data.
But it appears that their investigation, which is moving, by the way, at a, I call it a Durham pace.
A glacial pace.
So by 2036, we'll get an indictment.
The other thing is what they're doing is they're Truth of Vote told Raffensperger that they got going in Georgia because they had a whistleblower.
They had a guy who came forward.
The guy wanted to be anonymous.
He didn't want to, because he's off A, engaging in illegal activity.
And number B, he'd become a major target if he went public.
So he's like, I am not giving my name.
And the Georgia investigation appears to be solely focused, as far as I know at this point, on let's go find the whistleblower.
This is like a needle in a haystack because the guy's disappeared.
He's obviously in hiding.
He doesn't want to come.
But don't you have a mule in your movie?
Is that right or no?
We do, but that's a different.
We have, we thought, listen, you're going to show videos of mules.
People are going to wanna, who are these people?
I'd like to hear from a mule.
And I will tell you that in the movie, you will hear from a mule, but not that mule.
And because I think this is a case where we want to leave no doors.
We want to make sure we've latched everything here and done our best.
Now, there are things we can't do.
You referred to indictments.
I mean, I'd love to be able to go to these voters' dash houses and basically call out the mule.
Yeah, it's really going to be up to Mark Bernovich, who I know.
He's come on the program.
It's going to be up to whoever the Attorney General of Georgia is to look at the evidence and be like, you know, this is not, we're not going to tolerate this.
And the voters have to communicate that too.
This is critical.
Because a lot of times Republican legislatures at the state level are a little casual about all this stuff.
And then if they're caught napping, their institutional energy becomes one of not wanting to be exposed as being incompetent or buffoons and having been outwitted by the other side.
So they join the other side and kind of maintaining a common front.
Everything was okay right here, guys.
And I think we need people to go to them and say, listen, you have to do something.
This will blow people's minds.
Where if you have an elected official, a relative, if you're running for office and people are saying, remember the media, oh, the election was fine.
You're like, you sit down and watch this movie with me.
No, seriously, watch it with me and tell me where you think is okay with this.
I think it's that persuasive of a piece of content.
I think it's like SeaWorld ending Blackfish.
You know that documentary?
It ended SeaWorld.
I think it's like Al Gore Inconvenient Truth style documentary impact.
And maybe I'm overhyping it, Dinesh.
Well, we also.
You got 75 million people who believe the election was stolen.
And if we can reach those people, they will want to wake up and they will know what to do.
The thing is here also that we take you into the weeds in the movie.
I'm not afraid of showing people, because most people go behind a curtain, they vote.
They don't see, just like in a restaurant, you don't see the sausage being made.
But this is the movie where you need to do that.
And you also need to realize that there are other offices, you know, the Secretary of State, for example, critical offices, and the left has realized this for a decade.
Then people like Soros have put a lot of money into winning those kinds of elections.
Yes.
And why?
Because this is kind of what happens.
Let's say there's a left-wing group in Michigan that wants to water down the signature requirement.
What do they do?
They go to the Secretary of State and they say, We're going to sue you because you're engaging in voter suppression and you need to water down your signature requirements.
And the Secretary of State is a Democrat.
So the Secretary of State looks at them and goes, You know what?
You're right.
Let's make a consent decree.
You drop your lawsuit and I'll agree to water down the signature requirements.
So what's going on here is a collusion between two parties supposedly on opposite sides in which the Democratic officials are essentially letting the opportunity.
The Republicans do it too, though.
Kemp and Raffensperger did that with Elias right before the 2020 election privately in March of 2020, which plays into all of this relaxing the signature standards.
This is a, but this becomes a bit of an anomaly, right?
Because you would wonder, why would a Republican, why would a Republican Secretary of State, a Republican governor do that?
Collusion Between Political Parties 00:04:25
Either were they outwitted by the Stacey Abrams folks?
Were they intimidated in some way?
Why would they agree to something that is obviously going to be bad for the GOP?
I think intimidation is the best answer.
They were afraid of Stacey Abrams.
Yeah.
They were afraid of being called racists and all of that.
So in closing, Dinesh, there's a lot more we could talk about here.
You got to go speak at our dinner here, which we're excited about.
2000mules.com.
Is that right?
2000mules.com.
And by the way, on that, you can also sign up for email updates, which is cool because it gets around all the censorship.
How has that been?
People signing up in big numbers?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, we've got, well, we've got 80,000 or so signed up already for email updates.
And that's a pretty good number in a very short time.
We haven't even released our official trailer for the movie, which is coming out shortly.
Well, we're going to be heavily promoting it, probably doing events collaboratively on it.
It was really, it was a really interesting thing.
So I was running late because our plane got all messed up because I got 50 mile-an-hour winds.
And so I'm in the movie and no one prepped me in any way.
Meaning, this was a candid deal.
Like no one told you what to say.
And what's so cool, Dinesh, is you caught us on camera processing the evidence in real time.
Well, cinematically, it works beautifully.
And you know why?
Because even though you got six of us, right?
Six of us Salem hosts having a conversation.
I would say it was probably four against two in the sense that four skeptics and two guys who like, quote, knew it was stolen.
You know, yeah, was I in the stolen category?
No, you were in the skeptic category.
I mean, you're in the category where like show me the evidence.
Yeah, so I was like, I was, I thought I was, I'm thinking about Dennis, who was like the most skeptical, probably, right?
But I was Dennis, Dennis hesitated about even coming.
He was a little scared of the topic because I think he knew that this is radioactive.
You put it up on YouTube, you can lose your YouTube channel.
Yeah, no, and I, I just, I repeatedly was asking questions and like, what would other people, how would people debunk this, right?
And so we had Larry Elder, Eric Metaxas, Dennis, you, and Gorka.
Me and Gorka.
Yeah.
And it's very, it's fun because, as you say, had it been prepped, you'd come in with, I know what I want to say.
I've got my conclusions.
I had no idea.
But none of them did.
I mean, no one did.
So the beauty of it was everybody was looking at this stuff for the first time and reacting spontaneously.
And I think those reactions will mirror exactly what people in the audience are thinking.
Does it come across well in the editing?
It comes across great, really.
It's awesome.
Yeah.
So 2000mules.com.
Any other thoughts, Dinesh?
Well, I think this is going to be an interesting moment because we've lived with this now.
And I think the reason we can't go forward on it is that the people who suspect fraud are going to be discouraged from participating in the process unless they believe that something is being done about this.
And with the movie, you get, I don't claim to know everything about what happened in the 2020 election, but what I am saying is we know enough.
And since we know enough, that's reason to want to take the steps to prevent this from happening in the future.
It's a game changer.
I'm telling you, it's the most important issue right now.
The whole civilization was hijacked.
And I think that Dinesh has the smoking gun, the video, the whole story behind it.
And so we want to support that.
Dinesh, we'll have you back on to promote it.
But it's coming out now.
I mean, we're in crunch time here.
Absolutely.
We're 30 days out-ish?
Yeah, we're pretty much.
I mean, we're hurrying to get this stuff together.
And remember with the movie, we put in music, a lot of effects to go in and so on.
So it's going to be a great experience for people.
And again, there's different ways you can see this.
And we're going to make it so that every American, ultimately, I think there's worldwide interest in this because a lot of people in other countries who want to know, they're curious about this issue.
Yeah.
I'm sure Ukraine would love, like, hey, why my country?
This is why your country's being invaded, actually.
No, think about that.
No, I'm not kidding.
Like, the numbers in Kyiv are going to spike.
Like, oh, wow, this is why I'm being invaded.
Fascinating.
Wouldn't have happened under Trump.
Wow.
Yes.
Dinesh, thank you so much.
My pleasure.
Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
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