Did the US Government Prop Up Ukrainian Nazis & Bio-Labs? In Depth with Lara Logan
Charlie is joined by the one and only, Lara Logan, an award-winning investigative journalist whose work getting to the bottom all things foreign policy and domestic has been truly enlightening for the American Public. She helps unpack the latest update in the worldwide narrative battle for truth when it comes to Ukrainian & American Bio-Labs as well as the reports of Nazism that lives on to this day in Eastern Europe. He also covers the United Nations Security Council meeting happening this weekend in New York as well as the West's response to the so-called "Conspiracy" surrounding the Bio-Labs. Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Bioweapons Lab Controversy00:14:14
Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk Show, Laura Logan joins us for questions about biolabs, Nazis in Ukraine, and the CIA's engagement in Ukraine.
A very thought-provoking, fact-first episode.
Laura Logan is a award-winning CBS News, former CBS News war correspondent.
She went to the front lines of war theaters across the world and won many awards for her coverage.
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I want to play a piece of tape here of a Russian Federation member at the Security Council from Russia talking about the biological activities in Ukraine.
He was very precise, and obviously he could be just pushing Russian propaganda, or maybe there's something here about biochemical research, maybe gain of function research.
We don't know of what's happening in Ukraine.
Let's play CUP 119.
We convened the meeting today because as Russia is conducting a special military operation in Ukraine, we discovered a truly shocking fact of emergency cleanup by the Kiev regime of the traces of a military biological program, which is being implemented by Kiev with support by the United States Ministry of Defense.
Aimed at strengthening the pathogenic qualities of the plague, anthrax, tularemia, cholera, and other lethal diseases using synthetic biology.
So someone is lying here, and the Russians very well might be lying.
They're known for it.
The American government is also known for lying as well.
So who's lying?
There really is very little gray area in this particular situation.
Either there are research facilities that we're engaging in biochemical research or biomedical research or potential gain of function research, or there isn't.
It's very simple.
So the Russian Federation is saying it's here.
We've realized that we're cleaning it up.
Now, again, they could have planted it.
They could be misconstruing it.
But what is true?
That's the question.
Now, by even playing this clip, the media is going to say we're pawns of Russia.
Of course, that's not even worth entertaining, as we have repeatedly denounced, I should say, the actions of Vladimir Putin and of Russia.
And so we're getting some emails here about the biochemical research and what's behind it.
And let us not forget, Victoria Newland said herself that there were these research facilities in Ukraine.
Was the United States behind it?
Were we funding it?
Were we the driving force?
Were we the inspiration for it?
We don't know.
We do know that we were involved in gain of function research in Wuhan.
Were we involved in gain of function research also in Ukraine?
We do know that Ukraine was a Petri dish for the worst impulses of the American ruling class.
If Hunter Biden needed to go earn $83,000 a month, he went to Ukraine.
If Biden needed to go fire a prosecutor, he went to Ukraine.
If you needed to go try to wage a proxy conflict against Russia, you went to Ukraine.
Let's play a tape here of John McCain, where McCain was saying that we need to further involve ourselves in the Ukrainian conflict and that we need to ramp up the military potential intervention.
We'll find that tape here, but it goes to show that it wouldn't be shocking or surprising.
It's not as if all of a sudden we discovered gain of function research in Zambia, like some sort of random country.
Ukraine has direct ties to the kind of corrupt intergovernmental private public partnership class of the United States government.
We want to get to the truth, and you get to the truth by asking questions.
This is exactly why on this program, we were months ahead on the Chinese coronavirus story, because we asked the right questions.
The right questions will lead you to the answers the media does not want to have you.
And I'm fully, I'm not dogmatic about this.
This whole thing could be Russian propaganda about the biomedical research.
But then why did Victoria Newland say that?
Let's play Cut 105, just as an example of how Ukraine has been a, let's say, workshop.
Ukraine has kind of been a seed funding enterprise for the worst impulses of Washington, D.C. Play Cut 105, please.
I'm Senator John McCain, and it's always a pleasure to be back in Ukraine.
Senator McCain was, in a sense, giving the people in the Medina a feeling that they had the backing of the most powerful country on earth.
This is about the future you want for your country.
This is about the future you deserve.
So that's John McCain speaking to the Ukrainian people, basically promising military support and teasing potential NATO membership.
That's very irresponsible to do if you actually don't have the ability to be able to execute on that.
Joe Biden has been unclear.
He's not engaging in active diplomacy, something Donald Trump did very well.
Not only was Donald Trump able to lead through peace through strength, but there's not a world leader he did not go and meet face to face with to try to broker peace.
He went with Vladimir, he met with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, went out of his way to go meet with Kim Jong un, out of his way to meet with China.
And despite being mocked and ridiculed by the entire media, the dictators and despots and authoritarians across the world, they did not move an inch into another sovereign country or territory.
Laura Logan, whose reputation precedes her, she's terrific and phenomenal.
Laura, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Thank you so much, Charlie.
It's good to be here.
Just kind of tell us what are some of the biggest falsehoods or misleading kind of things that are happening in the media when it comes to the Russian-Ukrainian situation.
The first trap is that you can be critical of Vladimir Putin, but also be critical of Ukraine at the same time.
It's not an either-or.
Second thing is, Putin is not trying to lead the world into nuclear war.
He has demonstrated his nuclear capability as a deterrent because he doesn't want nuclear war.
Third is, this war isn't just about Russia and Ukraine.
This war is about the expansion of NATO and the West right on Putin's doorstep.
And he has been saying for 15 years he's not going to put up with it and he's not going to put up with it, whether you like it or not.
That's how it goes.
And then, of course, the bioweapons labs.
This is a major issue.
It's something that we're going to have to address.
They've been trying to ignore it.
They're not going to be able to ignore it.
And it goes to the heart of what we're talking about.
But perhaps the biggest thing of all is to understand that Western Ukraine was a Nazi stronghold.
It was the headquarters of the SS.
They threw themselves behind the Nazis.
And when Putin said that he was getting rid of Nazis within the Ukrainian military, that was true.
You may not like him.
You may think he's a big liar.
He's full of propaganda, but the reality is the Azov Battalion in Ukraine that is funded by the United States and NATO is a Nazi battalion.
They carry the swastika with them onto the battlefield and with them.
And the SS logos are built into their own patch.
And so we really need to ask ourselves why we, as the United States of America, are funding Nazism in Ukraine at the same time as that we deem anyone who didn't vote for Joe Biden or perhaps voted for Trump as a white supremacist and a terrorist and a Nazi.
It doesn't add up.
So Laura, there's a lot there we're going to have to unpack, but the one in particular I want our audience to explore together is the bio labs.
That's the thing I really want to go through.
And then we can ask about the Azov Battalion as well.
I'm very, very curious.
And just so everyone knows, Laura Logan is an award-winning journalist and war correspondent.
Laura was at CBS News for quite a while and she was on the front lines doing actual war journalism.
If there's anyone that has the credibility to talk about this stuff, it's Laura Logan.
Laura, I want to get into the bio labs.
There's a lot of confusion around this.
There's conflicting reports.
The Russian Federation says at the UN that they stumbled upon these bio labs.
I don't believe Russians at face value.
Are they telling the truth?
What's really going on here, Laura?
And is the United States involved at all?
Okay, so it doesn't take a genius really to figure out, right, that, I mean, both the United States and the Russians have a history of dealing in bio weapons.
We know this just from what we've learned about COVID.
During the Cold War, of course, when the Soviet Union was in place, the Russians did build bioweapons facilities across the Soviet Union.
How do we know this?
Well, one of the things that happened is we have a program under the United States government where we have gone and DTRA, it's called.
And you can actually go on the State Department website and you can look up that program.
And it's, you know, it's the Threat Reduction Agency, right?
And so we send in American scientists and doctors to go and break down, for example, Russian stockpiles of anthrax and other things that the Soviet Union and the United States agreed under international treaties that they wouldn't proliferate.
The problem is that while the United States will tell you that they converted these bioweapons labs into public health facilities, right, and that they have only been interested in de-escalating, that they're not involved in bioweapons or anything like that.
There's a couple of things that just don't add up.
So, first of all, why the State Department came out and denied completely that they had anything to do with this is a mystery because that's a lie.
It's not true.
And there's extensive evidence.
Secondly, we don't know what they've been doing in those bio labs.
And while they say that these are public health facilities, the fact that they're lying about it, the fact that they don't want to come clean about it, you know, makes people ask questions fairly, legitimately.
The second problem is that on February 26, so not long before this conflict got underway, we're actually in the midst of it, the United States government deleted the locations and information about this open source program from its website.
So I actually just sent your producer Andrew, I just sent him a list of all the facilities because, you know, I was onto the bioweapons labs some time ago.
And so I asked cyber people that I know who are much smarter than me on this stuff to, you know, to capture anything that they could find that was legitimate.
And they did.
And then lo and behold, you know, we didn't expect this, but suddenly all this information was deleted.
Now, you'll have some people in the U.S. government will tell you, well, there was nothing nefarious in these labs.
If there was, it wouldn't have been open source information.
Well, that is just a very convenient way of getting out of it because the reality is they have perfected this technique.
It's called hiding in plain sight.
So what do they do?
They tell you what they're doing, but not what they're really doing.
They just tell you a little bit of it, maybe a piece of it, and they put the map out and they have cover, right?
Because if you look at Ukraine and you look at what's been happening there in the last few years, they've had very strange outbreaks of botulism and COVID, SARS-like diseases and so on, right?
That no one has been able to explain and that haven't been taking place anywhere else.
Now imagine you're Vladimir Putin and you're supposed to take the United States at face value.
First of all, you took over all of Russia's bioweapons facilities.
So they know that these are bioweapons facilities.
Maybe you built some of your own.
We don't know that for sure.
But we do know that there is a massive number of pharmaceutical companies and pharmaceutical development companies and bioscience companies who just happen to be headquartered in Ukraine.
And, you know, when you're as an investigative journalist, I mean, that raises a red flag for me because it's not typical.
Not every country in the world has that kind of, you know, infrastructure.
And we're right, right fresh in the midst, which everyone seems to have forgotten about, of a pandemic that wasn't really a pandemic.
That if you go back to the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Fauci knew years ago, his name is on paper and research at NIH that shows he knew that iver and hydroxychloroquine and all these things, you know, would treat COVID.
And yet they withheld these treatments.
We know that COVID is a product of gain of function research.
I mean, give me a break, right?
No one's actually calling for the wet market, escape from the lab.
Maybe it was a, you know, maybe it was a mistake kind of thing anymore because of the pattern of behavior that has followed.
And we now have even one of the big investors at BlackRock, one of the portfolio managers there, who has broken away from BlackRock, he's out pointing out statistically how look at what we have, comorbidities.
The vaccines are killing people.
So, you know, while some people may believe that they're being saved and they're right, they're saving some people, they're actually murdering people.
Fauci Fingerprints and Lies00:06:38
I want to just ask you specifically and dive into this.
It's about this kind of biolab, which is this.
Is it possible that Fauci's fingerprints were on the Ukrainian bio labs?
And is it possible gain of function could have taken place in these bio-laboratories?
Yes, absolutely.
In fact, there's some evidence emerging already that Fauci's fingerprints are on this.
And, you know, as head of the National Institutes of Health, Fauci's fingerprints are probably pretty much on U.S. laboratories, especially when it comes to biological research all over the world, right?
Because he was the top guy.
He's the guy that approved this.
He's the guy that moved it all offshore.
I mean, Fauci's fingerprints are on a lot of things.
They also go back to AZT, which was presented as a panacea for AIDS and mimicked the progression of the disease and killed millions of people before anyone even knew it.
And not only that, but his fingerprints are also on experiments on black foster children in seven states.
I mean, that was reported on by NPR and NBC and CBS and so on.
And what is amazing is how the media today has no memory of things that get in the way of these false narratives or these political traps, like you were just discussing, where you can only be one way or the other.
And what, you know, what is coming out here is just ironic because Gensaki is accusing the Russians of disinformation and propaganda.
And sure, the Russians are good at that.
Why would they not be, right?
They, like anybody else, are fighting for their country.
But so is the U.S.
And the other classic that came out of Gen Saki is that she has said the Russians accuse people of doing what they're doing.
No, Gensaki, you accuse people of doing what you're doing.
We've seen it over and over and over again.
Who are the real fascists?
Well, it turns out to be you.
Who are the real Nazis?
Oh, that turns out to be you, because you're funding them and you're protecting them and you're lying about them, right?
And so the truth is, Charlie, we always have to remember that we don't know much more than we know, right, about this situation.
But we know that the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine has official notifications on their website about the threat reduction program, admitting that they're involved in these labs and funding these labs and paying the salaries probably of Ukrainian scientists who are working in these labs.
We know that Putin has demanded that they hand over some of these scientists.
He does not content to have the actual physical evidence.
He wants all of the evidence.
And he wants, he's going to, you know, he's going all the way with this because the world has just emerged from a global situation that the U.S. fingerprints, Dr. Fauci's fingerprints are all over that.
People no longer trust Dr. Fauci, the sad little man who has disappeared.
They no longer trust the United States.
They no longer trust the World Health Organization and these bodies who have lied and lied and lied.
They are responsible for millions of deaths, for suffering and poverty.
And we haven't even begun to count the full cost yet.
So Laura, I'm going to play some tape here just from what Russia is saying.
And again, I don't take what they say at all in a truthful face value, but somebody is lying.
Either the Russian government is lying or the United States is lying.
Let's go to Cut 77 of the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov, or maybe both.
So, quote, we have information that the U.S. has built two biological warfare labs in Kiev and Odessa.
Play cut 77, please.
It has arrived there, and we had data, and you have data that Pentagon, the Pentagon is preoccupied about the chemical and biological installations in Ukraine because Pentagon built two biological war labs, and they have been developing pathogens there in Kiev and in Odessa.
And now they are concerned that they may lose control over these labs.
So, Laura, before I have you respond, I also want to play Cut 88, and then the floor is yours after this cut.
It's about a minute cut, but this is what started this whole thing, which gives it credibility, is Marco Rubio and Victoria Newland in the Senate going back and forth.
It's about a minute.
Let's listen to it just so people understand our own government is saying this, and then they start to clean up.
So, Laura, as soon as this clip is over, the floor is yours.
Let's play Cut 88.
Well, I only have a minute left.
Let me ask you.
Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?
Ukraine has biological research facilities, which, in fact, we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of.
So, we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach.
I'm sure you're aware that the Russian propaganda groups are already putting out there all kinds of information about how they've uncovered a plot by the Ukrainians to release biological weapons in the country and with NATO's coordination.
If there's a biological or chemical weapon incident or attack inside of Ukraine, is there any doubt in your mind that 100% it would be the Russians that would be behind it?
There is no doubt in my mind, Senator, and it is classic Russian technique to blame on the other guy what they're planning to do themselves.
Wow.
Laura, the floor is yours.
Charlie, if anyone had any doubt about Marco Rubio, there you have it.
The man is an absolute patsy and a puppet for this administration because that exchange, apart from the fact that it was so obviously rehearsed, they planned those questions in advance.
They staged it to lead to that final answer and to push everything on to the Russians.
And what really disturbs me about that is how fundamentally theatrical and dishonest it is.
You cannot say in advance, is there any doubt in your mind that it would be this?
It hasn't happened yet.
That fits into the category of unknowable, because you have no control over the actions of various people from Ukraine who are on the ground.
Secondly, you know, yes, the Russians, of course, they do propaganda.
They're good at it.
But you know what?
So does the United States.
Ukraine Roots of Chaos00:09:21
It does a lot of propaganda and we're also pretty good at it.
There's nothing honorable about either Victoria Newland or about Marco Rubio.
I would urge everybody to proliferate that and to demand answers from whatever is left of the GOP.
Because at this point, if you don't see that we are being set up, number one, we know that the U.S. is involved in these labs.
We know they're funding them.
We know that because it's on their website, okay?
We know that because there is a threat reduction program that they've been operational there for decades.
So we know that.
We know that they deleted files from their website.
And we know that they hide things in plain sight.
We know that we don't know what other things that they were working on in these labs, but we absolutely have unexplained botulism outbreaks and things like that that have been happening in Ukraine that have been killing Ukrainian people.
We know that they're lying about who they're funding in the Ukrainian military.
We know that the CIA, all the way back to the end of the Second World War, protected Ukraine's Nazis from prosecution at the Nuremberg trials.
Why?
Why did we do that, Charlie?
Why do we have all these Nazis in the U.S. government today?
People like John Kerry, whose family ran the Villa Carey, right in Austria.
They were his cousins.
They were the ones who provided all the paperwork for these senior SS people to come and get out of Europe and escape any kind of accountability for their crimes and to live out their lives in other places.
Why do we have people like that?
Why did the CIA under Operation Paperclip bring back the worst of the Nazis, the most evil of them all, and give them safe haven in the United States and citizenship and jobs for life and everything else?
There is a dirty history here of the United States and the Nazis, and it's got nothing to do with Donald Trump and it's got nothing to do with the average American.
It's got to do with our leaders who, if you want the classic example of what Victoria Newland said there, they accuse people of what they do themselves.
Haven't they been accusing everybody of being Nazis for how many years now?
And when all this time, they're the ones protecting Nazis.
They're the ones arming Nazis with some of our most advanced military equipment.
Remember that dirtbag, otherwise known as Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, who some lieutenant colonel who's going to sit there during the so-called sham impeachment trial and is going to tell the president of the United States what his policy should or shouldn't be in Ukraine?
Come on.
Why that guy?
He admitted when he was on the floor, they used this as a tactic, right?
He had broken the law because he had been asked by Ukraine to be their top defense official in their government.
And he had been asked not once, but several times, according to him.
And he never reported that in violation of counterintelligence and his security clearance and all the other related laws.
So what did they do?
They let him just say it on the floor of the impeachment trial so that he could get away with it.
But you had people like that.
You had the ridiculous excuse of an ambassador who is after the election telling the Ukrainian government, don't worry about the legally elected president.
of the United States of America.
Don't worry about the will of the people or the constitution or U.S. law.
We are the real leaders of America, regardless of the election results.
And we're the ones that you need to keep working with.
And at the same time, by the way, Mitt Romney, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, again, and of course, Joe Biden, we're going to give your children millions of dollars.
Don't worry.
And then that fabulous interview you did with Pedro Gonzalez there, who he's talking about the National Endowment for Democracy.
These people are not aid workers.
They're not non-governmental organizations.
They're not charities.
They are the brown shirts and the SS rolled into one.
They are traitors and treasonists.
They are the people who are going all over the world in the name of charity using that deception.
And they're running their policies through U.S. embassies like the one in Ukraine.
Go to John Solomon's website.
Remember, John Solomon's reporting was at the center of the Ukraine trial.
It was all about the impeachment, the impeachment, right?
Because John Solomon had proof that these SARS-funded groups were running the policy of the United States government through the U.S. embassy, telling Ukraine who they should and should not investigate for corruption.
Don't investigate our corrupt bad guys, only the ones that we want you to get rid of.
Laura, I want to get to two questions if we can.
The first question, tell us about the Azov Battalion.
I'm told it's only a small part of Ukrainian troops, 5,000 people.
There seems to be a lot of effort to disqualify it.
How widespread and how influential is that?
And then also talk about the Central Intelligence Agency and how involved they've been in Ukrainian activity over the last couple of decades.
The floor is yours.
Right.
And they really hate me when I do this kind of thing.
They mock me all over, you know, Media Matters for America, those idiots.
But look at this.
Okay, that's the AZOV battalion, right?
And if you can see, this is their insignia right in the middle there.
That is that blue and yellow.
That is their insignia.
And right next to that, of course, the schwatsticker.
And of course, on the other side, NATO's flag.
But what I want to point out to you is this, this for the AZOF battalion, and anybody can look up their insignia, this sideways kind of lightning there, that is the insignia of the Nazi SS, okay?
And behind that, you will see a sun.
And what that is, is the black sun of the occult, because the SS, what many people don't realize, had a really dark occult dimension to it.
And that is central to really understanding who these people are.
I just want you to imagine that in the United States military, we had one unit of 5,000 out of our professional military that walked around with the Schwatsticker as their flag.
I mean, come on to say that it doesn't matter that these people exist.
So basically, Putin said he was coming in to get rid of the Nazis and demilitarize Ukraine, right?
We know because everyone from Eric Swoval to Nancy Pelosi to Lindsey Graham to Amy Klubashar to all of these people who are so desperate to go to war in Ukraine have been given Ukraine weapons.
We've been giving them billions of U.S. tax dollars.
And what do we know about that?
Well, we now know that those units using U.S. weapons, paper with U.S. tax dollars, have been murdering Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the east of the country.
They have also been expanding in violation of all of their agreements and treaties and promises to Russia that they wouldn't bring NATO to their door.
And they have been interfering in the internal politics of Ukraine.
The CIA-backed color revolution that Pedro was talking about, right down to Victoria and Newland discussing and picking who the people would be in the government, to the Soros Open Society, National Endowment people dictating U.S. policy through the Ukrainian embassy.
And then let's not forget, okay, that this also ties back to Russia collusion, because the people who were instrumental in framing Donald Trump and stealing just how many hundreds of millions of dollars in tax money from this country in crippling a presidency that could have done a lot policy-wise to help this country-many of them came from Ukraine.
Alexandra Chalupa is the Democratic operative and lobbyist who was working with the Ukrainians.
Remember, she got the Ukrainian ambassador.
She got him to write this letter before saying that Ukraine did not support Donald Trump and they supported Hillary Clinton.
That broke with diplomatic protocol for every country on earth, interfering in the domestic politics of a U.S. election, right?
Which is a no-no in the diplomatic core.
And then don't forget what put Paul Manafort behind bars.
Magically, this ledger appeared that so-called detailed all of the payments, right?
And put him away.
Well, now there's serious, serious questions about the legitimacy of that so-called ledger that probably there's a high likelihood was manufactured.
So the roots of much of what the United States has been going through the last few years are in Ukraine.
And something that this has exposed, which to me is critical, is that we now see who the traitors are: Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, Amy Klobuchar.
These people do not represent the United States of America.
What are they doing?
Anyone who represents the U.S. would be trying to dial it back with Putin, right?
They would be trying to play this down.
They would be trying to negotiate.
They would be trying to calm everything.
But no, we want to demonize Putin.
And why do we pretend that the size of the Azov battalion has got anything to do with it?
This is funded by the U.S., it's funded by NATO.
It defines itself not just in the occult and in the Nazis, but in the heart of the most evil part of the Nazis, the Nazi SS, which, by the way, don't be fooled by the history, right?
A selective reading of history.
Western Ukraine backed the Nazis and was a headquarters for the SS.
So while, and it was Ukrainians who murdered hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian Jews.
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Laura, that was comprehensive and lots of wisdom there.
Thank you so much for joining us, Laura Logan, award-winning war correspondent.
We'll have to have you back on.
Thank you, Charlie.
Love to see you.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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