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March 9, 2022 - The Charlie Kirk Show
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The Untold Story of Ukraine: Bio-Labs, Soros, Fauci, and the Nazi Regime
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Ukraine Bio Labs Exist 00:10:00
Hey everybody, what if I told you that the disappearance of Anthony Fauci might be tied to biolabs in Ukraine?
Pretty thought-provoking episode with Natalie Winters first, and then with Keith Rose as we dive into all sorts of different aspects of the untold story of Ukraine.
Bio laboratories, Kamala Harris, George Soros, and so much more.
Ukraine seems to be a petri dish for the bowels of our American political system.
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So I want to set up our guest here by first saying that I've been getting emails and I've been tracking the story.
And the reason we haven't covered it yet, and it's a very specific story when it comes to Ukraine, is because the stakes have been very high.
And we did not want to participate in anything that might not be true.
However, we've been on top of the story for at least the last 10 days.
And it's a story around whether or not there are bio labs or bioweapon laboratories in Ukraine.
Now, we first heard this story like 10, 12 days ago, right as the invasion began.
And it started on some pretty, let's say, unsubstantiated outlets.
We looked at it and it looked legitimate, but then even people that I really trusted in the intelligence community said, ah, no, no, no, don't do former intelligence community guy, I should say, as those sources have not exactly current.
They said, stay away from this.
And so Marco Rubio yesterday asked a question to Victoria Newland and asked about this.
And so I just want to give you some background.
Like this is USA Today, just a couple of days ago.
Quote, fact check, false claim of U.S. biolabs in Ukraine tied to Russian disinformation campaign.
China pushes conspiracy theory about U.S. biolabs in Ukraine.
Newsweek, U.S. biological weapons in Russia, separating the fact from fiction.
Business Insider debunked conspiracy theory about U.S. bioweapons laboratories in Ukraine.
Fact check, why you crush Russia claims U.S. biolabs in Ukraine don't hold up.
PolitiFact, totally false.
Russia is targeting U.S. biological weapons in Ukrainian invasion.
Okay.
So I could go through that into great detail.
But I do want to play a cut here from yesterday that has kind of prompted all this.
And then we're going to bring our expert guests to help us navigate it.
So Victoria Newland, who's the Undersecretary for Political Affairs, was asked the question of Marco Rubio.
And I think Marco Rubio was asking her this question to kind of debunk this and get this over with.
But in fact, the exact opposite happened.
PlayCut 66.
Well, I only have a minute left.
Let me ask you, does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?
Ukraine has biological research facilities, which, in fact, we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of.
So we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach.
I'm sure you're aware that the Russian propaganda groups are already putting out there all kinds of information about how they've uncovered a plot by the Ukrainians to release biological weapons in the country and with NATO's coordination.
If there's a biological or chemical weapon incident or attack inside of Ukraine, is there any doubt in your mind that 100% it would be the Russians that would be behind it?
There is no doubt in my mind, Senator, and it is classic Russian technique to blame on the other guy what they're planning to do themselves.
So there is Victoria Newland basically admitting that there are biological research facilities in Ukraine and Russians want to get their hands on them.
Was the U.S. funding these facilities?
If so, who was behind it and what type of research was conducted?
Well, with us is someone who does phenomenal investigative research for the national pulse and is terrific.
Natalie Winters is with us and she broke a big story on this topic yesterday.
Natalie, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Thank you so much for having me.
So Natalie, you broke a story on this.
Walk our audience through it.
Sure.
Well, as I'm sure everyone knows, the American ruling class, they're globalists at heart.
They love to outsource and offshore virtually everything that's made America great, whether that's our military, our manufacturing capabilities, and our factories.
But the other thing we can add to that list, which is something we've documented extensively at the national pulse, is scientific research and not just any form of scientific research, but particularly very risky scientific research being carried out at BSL-3 and BSL-4 facilities as relate to the biosafety levels of different pathogens that these facilities are working with.
So as you were talking about, there were some rumblings about the existence of biolabs, specifically U.S.-funded bio-labs, existing in Ukraine, which at face value is kind of absurd given the fact that Ukraine is in a very, very contentious spot geopolitically and geographically its proximity to Russia, knowing that Russia has always wanted to invade Ukraine.
But nonetheless, these facilities do exist.
So the story we put up yesterday at the national polls had to do with what exactly the impetus was for the construction of these facilities.
And we found through actually finding deleted articles, there are no conspiracy theories, but certainly a little interesting that some of the articles documenting the existence and the creation of these biolabs in Ukraine are now missing from the internet.
But archived versions of these web pages actually show that it was all the way back in 2005 that someone you may have heard of, former senator And former president Barack Obama actually spearheaded the effort in the form of drafting a memorandum of understanding with Ukrainian officials to construct a bio-laboratory facility in the city of Odessa.
The article goes on, it explains that the Department of Defense, that is the U.S. Department of Defense, also entered into the agreement with their Ukrainian counterparts.
And what's even more really, I think, absurd about this story, independent of the fact that all these fact checkers and mainstream media outlets have continued to debunk the existence of this lab, is that a 2011 report from the National Academies of Sciences, which is a taxpayer-funded scientific group, Anthony Fauci and other very prominent NIH officials have served on the advisory board of this group.
They actually put out a report confirming the existence, not just of this single laboratory that Obama helped build, but actually several bio-lab facilities in Ukraine.
But what's so, I think, concerning about this report that we uncovered is that they actually document the type of pathogens that this lab was working with and may still be working with.
And they actually refer to them as, quote, especially dangerous pathogens, unquote, and go on to list all the different types of viruses and manipulations that they were doing to them.
I mean, this is extraordinary.
So, what exactly was being done at these bio-laboratories?
And was it only funded by the United States?
Was it a partnership?
And what could possibly be the defense to put them in Ukraine?
I know.
It's almost like it's a bit of deja vu because I think we had similar questions about, you know, what was happening in Wuhan.
Why was the United States ever funding research there to begin with?
And I think there's a similar kind of murkiness as to what exactly the answer is to those questions.
And that's not a fault.
That's by design.
You know, like I said, the article that we unearthed that documented the construction of this lab was deleted from the internet.
We were only able to access it through certain programs that allow us to see deleted web pages.
But when you actually can find the information, it is indisputable that the United States, specifically through the Department of Defense, was involved with the construction and maintenance of these laboratories.
But it's unclear what exactly the type of research that they were conducting was.
But these reports, which again are coming from at least used to be reputable scientific organizations, do confirm the existence.
And what's even more concerning, again, I hate to be so vague, but it is by design that they like to keep some of the actual research that they're doing at least hidden or not totally accessible to the general public.
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But what's so interesting is that there are two types of pathogens that labs can deal with.
They're classified as type one and type two.
And when you get into the higher levels of classification of pathogens, that's when you start dealing with the deadlier stuff, the stuff that you don't want not just the Russians to get their hands on, but anyone to get their hands on.
And specifically, this lab, the one that Obama helped create, which is in the port city of Odessa, was one of the labs that had clearance to work with the second classification of pathogens as well.
But I think that this situation, like I said, is very similar to Wuhan.
And frankly, I think just another perfect example of why international collaboration on scientific research, you know, we really should be rethinking that approach because it doesn't seem to yield the transparency that, you know, as American taxpayers who are funding these collaborations in the first place, would want to see when you're dealing with such deadly scientific or potentially deadly scientific research.
It's an extraordinary piece.
It's nationalpulse.com, vnationalpulse.com.
Exclusive deleted web pages show Obama-led an effort to build a Ukrainian-based biolab handling especially dangerous pathogens.
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How did you put together this story?
I mean, how did you find now deleted web pages and piece all this together?
I'm just curious from a journalistic perspective.
Sure.
Well, the mainstream media and their fact-checking colleagues make it very easy because I always know that if they're not covering a story, but they're issuing all these fact checks and trying to kind of run cover, it probably means it's true.
So, that definitely piqued my interest.
And I just started looking going straight to the source because, believe it or not, back in 2010, I guess before COVID, when international collaboration on scientific research wasn't so looked down upon because we didn't have a global pandemic,
all of these globalist leaders, these NGOs, these think tanks, they really loved to brag about the types of research they were conducting and who they were doing it with, whether it was China, we've done a lot of reporting on that too, but even a country as small as Ukraine.
So, they make it kind of easy.
So, I, not to brag, but I'm pretty good at finding things that I think the establishment probably wants to keep hidden.
But I just was actually searching through the United States Air Force, they have what's called the Counter Proliferation Center Journal, something you probably don't read every day.
But they, in their 2010 journal, I think it was issue number 818 or something, they actually cross-posted this article that was deleted.
So, when I saw that this article was posted to an actual U.S. Air Force document, that was kind of enough evidence I needed to corroborate that, you know, this wasn't just some conspiratorial person residing who knows where, just putting random stuff on the internet.
So, when I started actually looking into it, specifically a lab that was in Odessa, like I said, the documents, especially that one from the National Academies of Sciences, it was there because these people love to brag about the international Collaborations that they're doing.
It's just like when, you know, the World Economic Forum leaders, when they say that they want the great reset and they see that COVID, you know, is a perfect opportunity and avenue to exploit this, they kind of say the quiet part out loud.
And this is a perfect example of that.
And frankly, you know, if people are interested in how to do the research we do at the national polls, there's a great website called the Wayback Machine, which allows you to access old web pages, archives.
Believe it or not, a lot of people in the mainstream media have written articles targeting this service, calling it a tool of the alt-right, a tool of the far, far, far right, saying that, you know, looking at old versions of web pages before these left-wing corporate media outlets try to do stealth edits on them is a form of, you know, the new fascism, whatever they want to call it.
But it's really, really a useful tool.
And I think the best way of doing reporting is just going to the source itself using these primary sources and letting the establishment and these, you know, people who want to do scientific research in every corner of the world, even China and Ukraine, speak for themselves because they'll tell you who they are.
It says here that the scope in the general description of activities, quote, detection and identification of viruses of pathnogenicity group Marbug virus, Ebola type viruses.
So they're doing the type of research that potentially was also done in Wuhan.
I mean, what is our government doing with this?
Why is there no transparency?
And then also talk about how the media said this was totally untrue.
I mean, they were kicking people off of social media for even talking about this.
One of the reasons we were so cautious, because we didn't want to lose all of our platforms for saying something that wasn't true.
It's 100% true.
No, you're totally right.
And remember, the experts that these corporate media outlets lean on to really give them any credibility to try to debunk these so-called conspiracy theories during the course of COVID-19.
It was researchers and professors from the Wuhan Institute of Irology that they were quoting.
So you just have to, you know, know the source and understand that this is all part of just a broader plan to really, really suppress the truth.
Because all these people, like I said, at heart, they're globalists.
They want to outsource and offshore every single thing that made America great, whether that's scientific research, our military to the borders of Ukraine, or our factories to China, right?
We can put everything anywhere except the U.S. southern border.
So it's really just deja vu with what's happening in Wuhan.
So I'm sure six months down the line, we'll get an admission that we were actually right.
But until then, the national pulse will keep digging into this story.
Well, I just want to thank you for your great work, Natalie.
It's truly terrific.
It really is.
What you've been able to do, what you've been able to uncover.
You know, people used to win awards for this type of journalism, and you're always welcome on our program.
It's thenationalpulse.com.
Someone asking, was there gain of function?
It looks pretty close to gain of function type research, but Natalie, you're terrific.
Thank you so much for joining us today.
We appreciate it.
Thank you for having me.
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With us right now is Keith Rose, and Keith is terrific and he's a foreign intelligence expert.
I just want to say, before I introduce Keith, where has Anthony Fauci been?
We asked that question before.
The disappearance of Anthony Fauci is very curious, but has Fauci not been in the center of attention because he's afraid that there might be some revelations coming out of Ukraine when it comes to bio-laboratories and potential gain of function research.
With us right now is Keith Rose.
Keith, I'm going to ask you very bluntly, simply, and plainly: were we engaging or funding in gain of function research in Ukraine?
That's a good question, Charlie.
I think we were engaged in funding bioweapons labs in Ukraine.
What they were doing there, I don't know.
But I do believe that it's going to show if we ever get the information out that the bioweapons labs that are in Ukraine were funded in whole or at least in part by the United States.
And so, walk us through it.
Walk us through how many laboratories there are.
How common is this, Keith?
You know, you're very well educated and well-traveled.
You've been in lots of different theaters doing lots of different sorts of things.
Is it common for us just to stand up kind of funding operations of biochemical research, especially next to foreign adversaries?
I'm going to jump into history for a second because it'll explain this to you.
And it's something that you and I both have a big concern about, and that's the great reset.
The bioweapons labs, you look at them and you think, why is Ukraine important?
And I started asking myself this.
Friends of mine, one dear friend who passed Rich Higgins, we talked about this at great length.
Why is Ukraine so important?
And if you look back at their history, Western Ukraine was an integral part of the Nazis during World War II, of the system.
The SS had bases there, they had headquarters there.
In fact, the hundreds of thousands of Jews killed in Ukraine were killed by Western Ukrainians.
And the reason I say that is after the war, Alan Dulles, former director of the CIA back in the day, helped several German scientists, Nazi scientists, go to Ukraine to avoid the Nuremberg trials.
So let's go fast forward today.
Again, I ask you, why is Ukraine important?
Well, what we're seeing, and there's a lot of information that shows this, is we're seeing a lot of certain types of illnesses or diseases, things that we don't normally see, have major outbreaks in Ukraine.
There's a lot of open source reporting on this, and I can send you the links to the last five that have broken out.
But no one talks about do we have bioweapons labs in Ukraine and why are they there?
Why is USAID and the UN so active in Ukraine?
Why are all of our politicians on both sides of the aisles so gung-ho for Ukraine?
Why is it that in Ukraine, if you look at anything that happened to President Trump from Russian collusion and the actors that showed up there, Alexander Chalupa and company, everyone had ties to Ukraine.
If you look at the impeachment, it was over a phone call to Ukraine.
If you see Lindsey Graham, John McCain traveled back to Ukraine, I believe it was in 2015, 2016, and talked about how we, quote, the American people support them for attacking the Russians.
Why is there this big interest in Ukraine?
And I think you have to back up and see what's going on.
You've seen, and our friend Jack Posobiec pointed this out, and we've seen it a lot.
You see the symbols on the uniforms of a lot of the Ukrainian soldiers.
In fact, the UN put out a female Ukrainian soldier the other day for International Women's Day with this symbol, and they pulled it down because they realized they had done that.
It's the black sun.
It's a former Nazi symbol.
It's a former symbol of the folks that are pushing the great reset.
It's like a major cult.
And what we found out through documents, and I encourage everyone to go to John Solomon's reporting and look at the emails that he has unearthed.
You can go to John Solomon's reporting.
Look at when Rudy Giuliani started talking about it.
What happened to him?
Everyone's trying to keep you from talking about Ukraine.
And the reason is it's involved in the Great Reset.
It's involved as a training site for a lot of the training for color revolutions, like the one they had in 2004 and 2014.
And it makes perfect sense that there would be bioweapons labs in Ukraine with all of this money pouring into Ukraine.
And I would tell you, a lot of your tax dollars, Joe Biden even said it, that if they didn't fire a certain prosecutor, he was going to withhold the funding from the U.S.
So my question, Charlie, and what we need to be asking everyone is: why is Ukraine so important?
Putin came out the other day and said he was going after the bioweapons labs.
And I believe they're there.
My sources on the ground tell me that eight weapons labs have been destroyed.
And there's another three that they can't destroy because they contain certain biological samples that are so sensitive, there's no way they can be sure that they get destroyed.
That's just what I'm hearing, that they can't get a, they can't clean it efficiently.
So with all this going on, I had to look back at Ukraine's history, what they do, and I started seeing things like momentum movement, the sunrise movement.
The momentum movement is how they teach people to organize and agitate.
The sunrise movement is a special movement under the infinity groups in Ukraine.
And these are all funded by open society, different, you've heard them before, different front groups, different NGOs.
The sunrise movement is about how to indoctrinate kids with the curriculum.
So all this points back to why Ukraine is so important.
I mean, remember when we couldn't say Eric Carmelo because the whistleblower, no one could say his name, and it was shut out in social media and it was shut out in mainstream media.
Who has that much power to shut out vote?
Not the White House, but the globalists that own everything.
They're the only people that could shut it out.
And why?
Why was Ukraine so important?
I think it goes back to when President Trump was elected and Maria Yanovich, the ambassador, went on record in Ukraine telling the Ukrainians, oh, you don't have to listen to him.
He's not in charge.
When President Trump was first elected, they have been basically, and I'll let you go with this, they have been laundering U.S. policy and U.S. money through Ukraine for the globalists and turning U.S. policy into globalist policy and vice versa.
It's been a two-way street and they're laundering money.
And I think that's why people are so up in arms on Ukraine.
Keith, there's so much to unpack there.
I just want to go to one specific element of this, which is, is it out of the realm of speculation that if we were funding bioweapon research or gain of function research, which we are not certain which one it is, would Anthony Fauci be aware of it or involved in that?
Would that be under his purview?
Because it certainly seems that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was.
I think that it could definitely be under his purview.
Anthony Fauci, for his entire career, has been on the wrong side of most of the medical experimentation, whether it was during the HIV or whether it was during COVID recently.
So, should he know?
Absolutely.
What I think, Charlie, should happen is we should have some senators and congressmen with integrity that should hold some hearings and ask the right questions.
I think that if you ask the right questions of the right officials, especially these unelected bureaucrats that have been just destroying our lives, you're going to see a tight connection between what's going on in Ukraine, between the bioweapons labs there.
You'll probably be able to tie that to Fauci and Wuhan.
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The problem is no one's asking the questions.
And when you even mention Ukraine, whether it's bioweapons labs or anything else, you're called a conspiracy theorist.
You're told, you know, nothing to see here, move on.
And it is such a massive protest against anyone who says anything.
It goes back to Shakespeare.
They protest too much.
And I think that I think those are great questions to be asked.
I mean, tying Fauci to it, I can't imagine he doesn't know about it.
I'm going to go back through his emails now that I know some of the more, some of the actors out of Ukraine and see if he has emails from them.
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Keith, why is George Soros and his foundation and his political advocacy so focused on Ukraine?
What is it about this country?
Again, Charlie, I think it's being used to launder money and to launder ideology and policy.
And I'll tell you, remember when we heard about how they were prosecuting prosecutors there, they were going in for anti-corruption and we put billions of dollars of your tax dollars for anti-corruption in there.
They were really Soros front groups that were picking winners and losers based on their ideology.
You had the Tides Foundation.
You had Thousand Currents.
You had Open Societies, which also, by the way, has a university.
You had the Global Movement.
And all of these were ideological policy think tanks that were piggybacking on and pushing themselves into a very moldable Ukrainian government.
That's why when the FBI agent that was investigating corruption in Ukraine, she quit and went to work for a Soros think tank.
So you have those folks, the Tides Foundation, Thousand Currents, Open Societies, all these global movement groups on a global level.
And then they work closely with groups on a national level like Brookings Institute.
And they have this radical ideology and they're using it to push their policy, but also to get their foot soldiers, like I said, from Ukraine.
They do antifa training in Ukraine.
They train them to be better at color revolutions.
They teach them how to do it and they're very organized.
They're big on symbols and slogans.
And if you go to a website, crimethink.com and think is T-H-I-N-C.
It is a reservoir of knowledge.
It talks about, it has operational documents from this.
It has ideological documents.
It has strategic documents.
It has after-action reports from these antifa groups, these antiphalite groups, all funded by Soros, think tanks, and others, globalists with the globalist agenda.
And you can see they not only plan, but they promote and they have after action.
These are all deliberate.
They have what they call sacred victims, where they'll actually sacrifice one of their people or use an incident to drive a narrative.
And they're going after, Charlie, the most vulnerable.
They're going after kids.
And they're going after these young Americans.
They're taking the best in America when kids just want to be a part of something and they're perverting it through these think tanks and they're recruiting them and they're causing a lot of chaos.
They did it in 2004 and 2014 in Ukraine.
But I believe that's the reason because of all these front groups, because of all the money, why are billions of our dollars, our tax dollars, going to a country that has no strategical or political significance that you can see when we walked away from an ally we had for 20 years and we spent a lot of American treasure and blood in Afghanistan.
It doesn't make any sense.
And these questions need to be asked.
And I believe when President Trump came in, he interrupted their plans.
And that was the beginning of what you and I pray for.
And that's the Great Awakening.
Keith, there is a $14 billion spending bill that's going to go to aid to Ukraine.
Would this be a mistake to do, given everything that we know?
Absolutely, Charlie.
If you look at John Solomon's documents, you look at crimethink.com, you look at some other sites with actual documents, a lot of that money has been turned and funneled back into politicians, kids, stepkids, thank John Kerry, thank Hunter Biden.
Look at what's going on.
Why are we giving billions of dollars to Ukraine?
It's because they have a mechanism in place to launder that and to redistribute it to these Soros front groups, which will then use it to push their ideology and their political ideal, their ideology, and their political agendas on other countries.
We are actually using Ukraine to fund the insurrections in America and around the world.
And I think if someone looks deep enough, which I know people are, because I talked to a great reporter this morning, they're going to see this.
It's amazing.
Keith, thank you so much for joining us.
More questions than answers.
But what we do know is billions of dollars have floated into Ukraine.
We don't know exactly where that money has gone.
And the biolabs is just one part of the story.
Keith, thank you so much for joining us.
Thank you, Charlie.
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